To me, their real problem is the cringey way they talk, the exaggerated black accents and speaking styles.
>Look at HEAH, look at HEAH
>I jus' can't believe MAH AAEHS
>BROTHA
>BROTHA
>BROTHA
I don't know who did their voices, they sound like white men pretending to be black.
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Are you saying that's not how crows would talk if they gained the power of speech? Are you some kind of crow expert? Did you specialize in crows in college? Unless you have some sort of expensive piece of paper telling us you know better than those who made the movie, why should we listen to what you have to say on the matter?
And what makes you think the people who made the movie know anymore about Crows, are they Crowologists, did they specialize in learning what makes a crow tick? I don't think so.
The movie had close to a budget of 1 million dollars in 1941 which equates to 20 million by today's standards. You don't spend that kind of money on a project without doing some research first. What's your crow research budget? Probably nowhere near the same ballpark as Disney.
ESG approved.
The lead crow was a white guy, but the rest were actual black men. But is there really a problem? Is there anything inherently negative or bad about their mannerisms? Is the mouse being an exaggarated Italian from Brooklyn an issue? The Elephants being a bunch of uppity WASPs? It's ridiculous how many people I've met that'd probably be considered ridiculous unrealistic stereotypes had they not been real fricking people
You're obviously a Zoomer and you're used to Media where black characters are extremely sanitized like all the black nerd characters in recent cartoons - who are nowhere near Irwin's level
I'm happy they got to appear in House of Mouse.
I dont udnerstand why they are hated,
They are great characters who not only noticed they are wrong, they actually grew and HELPED main character and cheered when he succed.
It's like Mammy Twoshoes, people look at the superficial elements of the era and being a stereotypical black person but never quite if they're actual negative.
that's how black people talk especially back in the 40's you dumb European.
The crow in the bowler hat is the sexiest.
Why do you think he's the leader?
Would it be better if they said homie instead of brotha?
Is this another one of those threads where straight white men explain why minorities should not be upset?
Go to twitter and stay there, troony.
>Is this another one of those threads where straight white men explain why minorities should be upset?
Fixed
>Is this another one of those threads where straight white men explain why minorities should not be upset?
>give us representation!
>URK! NO NOT LIKE THAT.
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Is this another one of those threads where progc▪u▪cks whine and blame white men for problems?
Kys twittertard. Hope your neovegana gets dragged through spikes
They are voiced by a gospel choir, except the lead crow who is voiced by Jiminy Cricket.
As someone who lives in a non English speaking country and watched a dub I was completely clueless of what they were supposed to represent until just a few years ago
Same. In my country's dub, they were given what is basically the equivalent you a thick New Yorker accent.
I don't remember as well, but they had very regular voices, I'm not 100% sure because old dubs were very different to the way they are now, but I think they sound cuban
The mexican version it's specially funny, because almost every single one of them has a different accent.
The main one speaks like some Andalucía spaniard.
Both the tall one and the hole-hat one had a cuban accent.
The glasses one had a "pubert nerd" accent.
The fat one it's literally Francisco Colmenero (look him up) doing his Pete/Pumba voice.
I was actually referring to the mexican one, damn, I didn't know that it was an spaniard accent, I always struggle with accents in old movies and cartoons, that some of them were dubbed in argentina doesn't help
Dumbo was actually dubbed in Argentina too, it's just that it was redubbed because the first one left the workers' song in English, as far as I know.
Anon, the film is from the fricking 40s. And a majority of the actors were black themselves, something you sure as shit didn't get much back then. can we stop focusing on the issues of the past?
Times were different back then, you obnoxious trannies. So no use for Cinemaphile to cry about being triggered, now. Censoring or removing this shit would be a terrible idea, because it teaches a lesson. I swear every single person on Cinemaphile is under 23, genderspecial, and has been raised by Twitter. How many of you have pronouns in your bios?
Honestly as a black person myself I have mixed thoughts on them. On one hand, in terms of their actual characters, they weren’t actually that harmful of a depiction. They were the only people in the movie who were nice to dumbo outside of Timothy, and were mostly portrayed as cool. And the song they sang is pretty catchy.
On the other hand, One of them is literally named Jim Crow, and said Crow is voiced by a white guy, so I can’t use the “they didn’t know any better” excuse because those fricker clearly knew what they were doing with THAT name.
>One of them is literally named Jim Crow
He's never named as such in the movie, and it only shows up on some of the concept art.
>black accents
Country accents. Southern whites talk the same way, especially back then. Hopefully I don't have to explain why.
I keep telling people blacks talk like cowboys but no one believes me
city slickers will never understand, it's a lost cause
>REEEE THESE BIRDS ARE RACIST
Shut up homosexual. The VAs were actual black men & they ended up playing an important role in Dumbo's character development
I think we are all so far removed from the period of speech that is is no longer racist.
No one talks like them. No one. You would need to enter the moving assuming horrible things about black people to draw a connection or assume that they are propaganda against black people. The only thing they share with black people is color.
Assuming they are a negative stereotype of black people is like assuming the cocacola polar bears are a negative stereotype for white people.
Maybe they were antiblack propaganda at release but everything about them is now so far removed from everything and everyone, 99.9% of kids watching dumbo today are just going to take it at face value and assume thst is just how the crows act and sound.
They weren't even antiblack propaganda, they were at best indelicate stereotypes but there's no inherit negativity or malice in their portrayal. Even the Jim Crow stuff is behind the scenes.
I'm just saying, a 5 year old watching this now doesn't know a single real person who talks like this. They are just going to assume that is cartoon crow talk.
Kids in 2023 aren't going to watch dumbo and walk away hating black people. Most kids won't even draw a connection because that accent and vernacular has mostly does out
>like one of the songs from dumbo (the one where the circus team are setting up and singing a work song in the rain)
>look it up on youtube to listen to it
>hundreds of comments are saying that it's racist and about slavery
What the frick?