What causes normalgays and now most of the entertainment industry to think that every medium - live action, CGI, animation, comics, books, etc... - are not all unique storytelling mediums with their own strenghts and weaknesses best suited to tell certain stories, but rather are just lesser variants of one another on some kinda hierarchy from "worst to better" wherein live action shows are the ultimate bestest form...
Anon that is a completely unrelated answer to a whole nother question I didn't even ask you just peered into another dimension where I somehow asked a question that that response answers and idk where but it isn't here
Money.
Give us money for thing you like.
No it is not le lazy cash grab it is serious adoptation give me money gimme monei gi--
What is it with the "IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY" folk and thinking that statement answers every question in the world like they uncovered the secret and are completely ignoring what's actually being asked
>Why is X popular? >BECAUSE COMPANIES DO WHAT'S POPULAR FOR MONEY!
Yes but... Why
Is it popular
Is what's being asked
You missed a step there buddy you jumped over it
It's harder to figure out a root issue compared to understanding the loop that's caused by people wanting to make money popularizing X. For live action, I guess that's just the result of years and years of television dominating media and thus making it such a huge industry that everyone is exposed to now
It's popular because of Disney, Anon. Cartoons in the West equals Disney. And Disney, as far as the public is concerned, is for children. Sure, Walt did say that cartoons are for everyone, but that's just not true. Even the darkest Disney film still has enough humour and obligatory mascot character to make it a movie for kids. Hence why when the average moron hears X movie is getting live action treatment, they cum. In their eyes, this childish medium is getting improved. And you have Disney to thank for that mindset.
If you want proof, check Japan. They don't seem to care about live action stuff at all.
>Walt did say that cartoons are for everyone, but that's just not true
It is true, the problem is that it means that his cartoons have to be made for everyone. Movies aren't for everyone because some audiences are too young or whatever to watch them, but it has something for everyone. That's the mindset cartoons should've adopted.
>If you want proof, check Japan. They don't seem to care about live action stuff at all.
Oda literally approved the greenlighting of the One Piece live-action show because he saw it as his final attempt at getting One Piece to surpass Dragon Ball and Naruto in global popularity.
>They don't seem to care about live action stuff at all.
You seem to be unaware of the amount of popular anime that have their own live action movies, sold-out stage plays, and fricking musicals. Not to mention the manga series that get adapted straight into live-action instead of anime
>Even the darkest Disney film still has enough humour and obligatory mascot character to make it a movie for kids
Humor and mascots are for everyone, no just kids
You have a point in Disney being a wet blanket suffocating inappropriately much of western media but Black person don't try to pretend there's only grorious nippon tranime folded 1,000 times in Japan.
More than that, for the last 60 or so years the general public views any animated movie as Disney princess singing songs with mice and birds for an hour and a half. It helps the perception that anything animated is going to be a sickeningly sweet annoying fricking waste of an hour.
To people who only ever think about money, it does answer every single question. And they view anyone who does not think like that is a fricking stupid moron, hopeless idealistic, or just a pathetic lazy poorgay who is totally responsible for their being a poorgay.
2d has the same issue of pixel art in vidya in that a lot of people think its inherently outdated and inferior no matter how good the product looks. It's also more costly, its harder to redo/correct errors, has few people experienced in its creation any more, and even then it'd be prone to being nitpicked for looking worse than the old 2d animation.
>and even then it'd be prone to being nitpicked for looking worse than the old 2d animation.
Another reason why 2D animation will never come back in the west, it'd just get nitpicked to death for not looking exactly like the older stuff.
It's not about "better or worse" forms, it's "let's widen our markets so that people that don't normally consume our media also knows about it". But there's also the stigma of animation being for kids, so I guess it's also right to think that there's a "maturity hierarchy"
i don't even think is normalgays, the one piece netflix show is so far the only adaptation that made secondaries shit their pants in excitement, probably because they have never watched the original episodes before let alone read the manga.
Every other adaptation is rightfully mocked and shitted on, and the average normalgay either join the memes or doesn't even know they exist.
Is mostly hollywoof execs the ones thinking live action is he highgest form of art, simply because it moves more money than a cartoon or vidya adaptation.
No anon, normies absolutely have this belief that live action is an improvement on cartoons, and all cartoons just strive to be live action
Remember they response to the Lion King?
They mostly started mocking this stuff recently because most of the web does so they just repeat what they see, but they pretty much set the standard for cartoons being considered lesser to live action, as if every cartoon wanted to be live action but chose to be a cartoon just because it couldn't do any better and "settled" for being a cartoon...
>Verification not required.
You can instantly tell someone is a newbie if they use this one, it's such an artificial newbie meme born from a captcha system implemented just recently
>Remember they response to the Lion King?
anon, everybody hates those movies, is why disney is going banktrupt.
This board is obsessed with sells when in reality, people see one movie and decide not to keep bothering. Is why starwars is dead, the first movie did great numbers, but at what cost?
Ideally, animation would be the default for movies or shows requiring a large amount of overtly fantastical elements , while live-action would mainly be used for more grounded (NOT necessarily more realistic) stories, but American't is too moronic to let that happen.
Realism = good, adult, mature, ART to the west while cartoons are for children and comics, novels, and videogames are just test footage/blueprints for the real final product.
It's largely boomer prejudice against all things animated. It's stupid meaningless kiddy shit until someone makes a live action film which then Validates it as >True Entertainment
that does not need to be embarrassed over watching.
Theatre has been a timeless western tradition for 2500 years, and that tradition moved to film which in turn moved to TV. Keep in mind the only reason why manga became as popular as it did is because it was an easy format to read on the train to and from work. Lacking that access to public transportation, most Americans only thought of comics as either newspaper comic strips or that thing your wife got for your kids while going to the supermarket, and that mentality carried on to animation. It is only extremely recently that animation was taken seriously in the west at all as anything other than primetime comedy shows like the Flintstones or Saturday morning toy commercials for kids, so generational cultural inertia still favours live action for everything.
>So, you say objects fall to the ground when you drop them? >Yes, behold as this apple falls! See? It fell! >Pfft, yeah yeah just more crap that confirms your pre-existing belief
This is why I stand by the principle that I'm not watching it.
The best it can be is still worse than the show I've known and loved since it first launched all those years ago.
>Avatar Twitter post with identical thread on Cinemaphile >subject immediately gets ignored anyway >turns into daddy won’t respect my cartoons cope >turns into east vs west thread no. 23894799
SHUUUUUUT UUUUUUPPP
What causes normalgays and now most of the entertainment industry to think that every medium - live action, CGI, animation, comics, books, etc... - are not all unique storytelling mediums with their own strenghts and weaknesses best suited to tell certain stories, but rather are just lesser variants of one another on some kinda hierarchy from "worst to better" wherein live action shows are the ultimate bestest form...
They want more money from a popular ip don't know why you over complicate it.
Anon that is a completely unrelated answer to a whole nother question I didn't even ask you just peered into another dimension where I somehow asked a question that that response answers and idk where but it isn't here
What is it with the "IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY" folk and thinking that statement answers every question in the world like they uncovered the secret and are completely ignoring what's actually being asked
>Why is X popular?
>BECAUSE COMPANIES DO WHAT'S POPULAR FOR MONEY!
Yes but... Why
Is it popular
Is what's being asked
You missed a step there buddy you jumped over it
It's harder to figure out a root issue compared to understanding the loop that's caused by people wanting to make money popularizing X. For live action, I guess that's just the result of years and years of television dominating media and thus making it such a huge industry that everyone is exposed to now
It's popular because of Disney, Anon. Cartoons in the West equals Disney. And Disney, as far as the public is concerned, is for children. Sure, Walt did say that cartoons are for everyone, but that's just not true. Even the darkest Disney film still has enough humour and obligatory mascot character to make it a movie for kids. Hence why when the average moron hears X movie is getting live action treatment, they cum. In their eyes, this childish medium is getting improved. And you have Disney to thank for that mindset.
If you want proof, check Japan. They don't seem to care about live action stuff at all.
>Walt did say that cartoons are for everyone, but that's just not true
It is true, the problem is that it means that his cartoons have to be made for everyone. Movies aren't for everyone because some audiences are too young or whatever to watch them, but it has something for everyone. That's the mindset cartoons should've adopted.
>If you want proof, check Japan. They don't seem to care about live action stuff at all.
Oda literally approved the greenlighting of the One Piece live-action show because he saw it as his final attempt at getting One Piece to surpass Dragon Ball and Naruto in global popularity.
>Even the darkest Disney film still has enough humour and obligatory mascot character to make it a movie for kids
>adults don't like comedy
>They don't seem to care about live action stuff at all.
You seem to be unaware of the amount of popular anime that have their own live action movies, sold-out stage plays, and fricking musicals. Not to mention the manga series that get adapted straight into live-action instead of anime
>Even the darkest Disney film still has enough humour and obligatory mascot character to make it a movie for kids
Humor and mascots are for everyone, no just kids
You have a point in Disney being a wet blanket suffocating inappropriately much of western media but Black person don't try to pretend there's only grorious nippon tranime folded 1,000 times in Japan.
>tranime
newbie
More than that, for the last 60 or so years the general public views any animated movie as Disney princess singing songs with mice and birds for an hour and a half. It helps the perception that anything animated is going to be a sickeningly sweet annoying fricking waste of an hour.
To people who only ever think about money, it does answer every single question. And they view anyone who does not think like that is a fricking stupid moron, hopeless idealistic, or just a pathetic lazy poorgay who is totally responsible for their being a poorgay.
Why not just make an animated movie then? It could even be 3d since 2d movies never get approved anymore for some reason.
2d has the same issue of pixel art in vidya in that a lot of people think its inherently outdated and inferior no matter how good the product looks. It's also more costly, its harder to redo/correct errors, has few people experienced in its creation any more, and even then it'd be prone to being nitpicked for looking worse than the old 2d animation.
>and even then it'd be prone to being nitpicked for looking worse than the old 2d animation.
Another reason why 2D animation will never come back in the west, it'd just get nitpicked to death for not looking exactly like the older stuff.
Money.
Give us money for thing you like.
No it is not le lazy cash grab it is serious adoptation give me money gimme monei gi--
It's not about "better or worse" forms, it's "let's widen our markets so that people that don't normally consume our media also knows about it". But there's also the stigma of animation being for kids, so I guess it's also right to think that there's a "maturity hierarchy"
but normalgays reaction on new avatar is bad
i don't even think is normalgays, the one piece netflix show is so far the only adaptation that made secondaries shit their pants in excitement, probably because they have never watched the original episodes before let alone read the manga.
Every other adaptation is rightfully mocked and shitted on, and the average normalgay either join the memes or doesn't even know they exist.
Is mostly hollywoof execs the ones thinking live action is he highgest form of art, simply because it moves more money than a cartoon or vidya adaptation.
No anon, normies absolutely have this belief that live action is an improvement on cartoons, and all cartoons just strive to be live action
Remember they response to the Lion King?
They mostly started mocking this stuff recently because most of the web does so they just repeat what they see, but they pretty much set the standard for cartoons being considered lesser to live action, as if every cartoon wanted to be live action but chose to be a cartoon just because it couldn't do any better and "settled" for being a cartoon...
Normalhomosexuals would do a complete 180 on that if they actually knew what goes into making a cartoon.
Verification not required.
>Verification not required.
You can instantly tell someone is a newbie if they use this one, it's such an artificial newbie meme born from a captcha system implemented just recently
oldgays time is passed, homosexual
>Remember they response to the Lion King?
anon, everybody hates those movies, is why disney is going banktrupt.
This board is obsessed with sells when in reality, people see one movie and decide not to keep bothering. Is why starwars is dead, the first movie did great numbers, but at what cost?
Ideally, animation would be the default for movies or shows requiring a large amount of overtly fantastical elements , while live-action would mainly be used for more grounded (NOT necessarily more realistic) stories, but American't is too moronic to let that happen.
Verification not required.
Realism = good, adult, mature, ART to the west while cartoons are for children and comics, novels, and videogames are just test footage/blueprints for the real final product.
It's largely boomer prejudice against all things animated. It's stupid meaningless kiddy shit until someone makes a live action film which then Validates it as
>True Entertainment
that does not need to be embarrassed over watching.
Theatre has been a timeless western tradition for 2500 years, and that tradition moved to film which in turn moved to TV. Keep in mind the only reason why manga became as popular as it did is because it was an easy format to read on the train to and from work. Lacking that access to public transportation, most Americans only thought of comics as either newspaper comic strips or that thing your wife got for your kids while going to the supermarket, and that mentality carried on to animation. It is only extremely recently that animation was taken seriously in the west at all as anything other than primetime comedy shows like the Flintstones or Saturday morning toy commercials for kids, so generational cultural inertia still favours live action for everything.
>Look at this tweet, it confirms my pre-existing belief
Okay?
>So, you say objects fall to the ground when you drop them?
>Yes, behold as this apple falls! See? It fell!
>Pfft, yeah yeah just more crap that confirms your pre-existing belief
Reddit moment.
This is why I stand by the principle that I'm not watching it.
The best it can be is still worse than the show I've known and loved since it first launched all those years ago.
>get rid of Sozin's comet as a plot device to get rid of the ticking time limit the series always had
>first episode rushes things
For what purpose?
Apologize.
>Avatar Twitter post with identical thread on Cinemaphile
>subject immediately gets ignored anyway
>turns into daddy won’t respect my cartoons cope
>turns into east vs west thread no. 23894799
SHUUUUUUT UUUUUUPPP
So another show in which the common alignment of Hollywood carries on. People can't sound mix for shit.