Aka the best DC film ever made. What does Cinemaphile think of TDK?
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Aka the best DC film ever made. What does Cinemaphile think of TDK?
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I saw it in the theater. You can't imagine the crowd cheering when the Batpod emerged.
I still have fond memories of watching this in the theater as a kid
I hate the comic book gays that shit on it because "it's not c-comic accurate". They don't have any other argument at all. That's their only one.
Okay, I'll give another critique: the long, philosophical monologues that try to make the movie deep but just comes across as a college freshman's thesis project. To a lesser extent, the action scenes are stiff and clunky, and the design of the Batmobile which requires no explanation.
>long, philosophical monologues
Which one? If anything, TDK is the Nolan movie that has less of them. That's why almost every single quote from the movie is iconic. Goyer somehow managed to control Nolan.
Been a while since I watched it but the Alfred Burma and Joker's monologue to Harvey about some edgy nihilist shit I forgot about.
>Alfred
His monologues are some of the best lines in the movie, like "some men just want to watch the world burn". It's in TDKR where it becomes too much, but it worked in TDK.
>Joker
He was only manipulating Harvey and messing up with his mind. It works there very good.
>To a lesser extent, the action scenes are stiff and clunky
I always felt this, but it's clearer now with battinson and batfleck that Nolan just can't direct fight scenes.
Battinson sure was great
Aside from him being completely bulletproof, the fighting does look better than Nolan's. Tdkr rooftop scene comes to mind.
Batman action peaks here tbh
This looks exactly like tdk in the parking garage at the start where he just one hits guys while walking towards a group. It's identical. At least Nolans one there is some semblance of an attempt to throw a punch. This one just has him move his arm, it would do no damage. Only a onions would think this would disable anyone.
>the long, philosophical monologues that try to make the movie deep but just comes across as a college freshman's thesis project
yeah, that's every Nolan movie.
>the action scenes are stiff and clunky
I disagree.
>the design of the Batmobile
I agree. they establish him as being trained in stealth and deception and then give him the most conspicuous vehicle on earth.
It's a film about a man who dresses as a bat to fight crime based on a book that is mainly comprised of pictures.
The only pretention here is you thinking it should need to be any deeper than it is.
That's my point. I was complaining it's already attempting to be deep.
It's sufficiently deep. The 'long monologues' are adequately interwoven into ordinary doalpgue such as tales and anecdotes that make them not out of place amongst the characters speaking them. It brings some poignancy to the emotional and moral motives of primarily morally driven characters without pretending the people speaking are some wise philosophers. They're just people offering what wisdom or thought they have in a way that is reflective of their world. Like hearing a story from a guy at a pub that teaches you something. While I agree a film of a comic book character shouldn't wander into some self righteousness or egotism about its message, it does a fine job of staying within the realms of rhe film itself. The only thing I find out of place in those scenarios is that maybe they're too monologistic. It's a 'realist' comic book movie and in real life people interject a lot. The philosophical level is perfectly shallow but poignant to the moral themes imo
There's nothing good about it except maybe the jail escape scene.
>the jail escape scene.
Yes, the jail escape scene. From The Batman. It's better than the entirety of TDK.
Did Joker ever find out who he was stealing from?
There was a video of some dc guy reacting to all batman movies and when Nolans movie came they were so fricking pissed, like it was visible they were pissed at him. How did a guy create Batman better than any of us Warner Bros, and make the only DC movie to cross 1Billion.
good acting, good directing, dogshit script. people overrate it because they don't understand the plot and they think that means the script is too smart for them.
Oldman, Eckhart, Freeman, Ledger, and Caine were doing kino work here. Batman and his girlfriend were shittier than a big diarrhea
The Dark Knight’s Thesis: In a post 9/11 America, the sacrifice of liberty in pursuit of security from terrorism will lead to the destruction of institution.
(Quality: Great!)
The Batman’s Thesis: Global warming or something.
(Quality: Okay!)
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice’s Thesis: A schizophrenic fever dream about a time loop where Superman kills the Justice League.
(Quality: Bad!)
The Joker’s Thesis: We live in a society.
(Quality: Good!)
>The Batman’s Thesis: Global warming or something.
NO. More like the destructive symbiosis of idol worship and social media.
>In a post 9/11 America, the sacrifice of liberty in pursuit of security from terrorism will lead to the destruction of institution.
okay, I'm interested. explain how the movie explores that thesis.
It's just that one scene where Morgan Freeman put sonar spyware in everyone's phones so that designates the film, 'post 9/11'
>it’s just that one scene
and you know the whole joker is an urban terrorist even broadcasting little isis videos but okay
yeah I've seen the movie. that's not an argument.
I’m not arguing. I’m stating verbatim the intended words of jonathon nolan and michael uslan. if you feel this is an argument, maybe you perceive stated facts as confrontation to your worldview
>but okay
yeah you are
>The Dark Knight is about how "In a post 9/11 America, the sacrifice of liberty in pursuit of security from terrorism will lead to the destruction of institution."
>explain
>The Joker is a terrorist
>and?
>YOU'RE A HECKIN ZOOMERINOOOOOO
no. I can’t argue what is stated fact. I can’t argue the earth is round. it is. you can argue it’s flat. go nuts. I will simply state the truth and watch you see the
You're a contrarian zoomer moron.
It's that but also that Bale must sacrifice a normal life to bring safety to others. He sacrifices a life with Rachel to keep Gotham safe.
It’s the most important film of this board and probably the whole chan.
Is he the most forgettable Batman?
He never had a solo movie, can you blame him? Swole murderman is my batman btw
WHY SO SERIOUS!?
Solo Random
This movie is shit.
Ledger's performance is legit good, but in a shit movie.
Spider-Man 2 > The Dark Knight
That's not Batman Begins
TDK is the better movie. Begins is the better batman movie.
>TDK is the better movie. Begins is the better batman movie.
cringe
The kid, Bales voice and the Two-Face CGI are terrible.
>Aka the best DC film ever made.
NPC take
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>Is that A. Baz' Zucker?
How did the protection vehicle driver know his name? And why did he call him Baz instead of Barry. Was he the one working for Joker telling them where Dent was going?
I think it's ok but unlike many people I don't love it. For me the absurd comic book plot and multiple unrealistic things (surviving the fall onto the car, Joker being able to put explosives anywhere, Harvey being ok even though half his face is gone, etc...) don't mesh well with the gritty, serious tone. I think Gotham looks boring. Batman doesn't really have much to do. And I don't like the ending where Batman takes the blame, to me it just doesn't seem like something Batman would do. Anyway, it's alright but I don't understand people who call it one of the best movies ever made.