I've gotten drunk and watched movies but that last star wars was the only one I've ever gotten black out drunk watching. Shit must be a trainwreck if even drunk me didn't want to look back on it
This. There was no path forward from TLJ without A) doubling down on the moronic plot threads that would’ve gone nowhere or B) heavily retconning and acting like TLJ was just a collective fever dream the characters had. Either way was a bad outcome and they knew it.
Even putting aside the personal investment in Luke, or the fact that his behaviour makes no sense, his actions actively hamper the story by him refusing to do anything. The only thing he does before the end of the movie, is begrudgingly agree to train Rey after being coerced. Even then, he does around one lesson with her before he tells her to frick off. It also makes the effort of trying to find him in the first movie pointless, when it leads to nothing of consequence. He only helps the resistance at the end of TLJ because Yoda told him to, which can still happen without Rey ever meeting him. It is bad when his character and references to him can be removed from the first two movies outside of his final appearance, and his impact on the story doesn’t change. In fact, Rey could have been busy helping the resistance, instead of wasting the time she spent with him.
TROS is so aggressively insipid that it managed to be even worse than TLJ.
8 and 9 are terrible in different ways.
9 is just incredibly stupid, 8 is actively vindictive against the fanbase. 8 actually does some interesting things but the deliberate attempt to destroy Luke Skywalker makes me hate it more than any of them. 9 is just incompetence, 8 is the director actively telling me to go frick myself.
Do you dorks not understand how a trilogy works? The final act in a trilogy does not exist in a vacuum. It is the finale of a three part story. It literally can not be good without being set up for success by the previous two parts. It is supposed to be the climax, the resolution, the conclusion of the previously set up storylines, the emotional release, the heroes coming home and celebrating, etc. It can't be a whole trilogy in itself complete with setting up a brand new villain and everything. The ninth movie was ALWAYS destined to be shit because the previous movies didn't care to set it up for success and the eight movie actively closed off all plot lines that it could have possibly used. It's no wonder the third director noped the frick out when he saw the garbage he was being handed. So saying stupid things like "episode nine was worse" is just incredibly idiotic.
>and the eight movie actively closed off all plot lines that it could have possibly used
I disagree. The conflict wasn't resolved and Kylo should've become the main antagonist. There was no reason to bring back Palpatine.
>The ninth movie was ALWAYS destined to be shit because the previous movies didn't care to set it up for success
That's true. I also think this is true about TLJ with respect to TFA, to some extent. But a lot of their problems can't be blamed on the previous movies. Fisher dying put any version of IX in a difficult position, but the tacky shamelessness of TROS is all on Abrams. TLJ didn't dictate Rey being Palpatine's secret granddaughter, or "I am all the Jedi," or any of its other most miserable decisions. It wasn't even necessary to bring the Emperor back. All three are shit movies and TFA doomed the whole trilogy, but each paved their own path to the trash can.
>It's no wonder the third director noped the frick out when he saw the garbage he was being handed.
Pretty sure I read that Trevorrow was begging for certain story directions from the Last Jedi but Kennedy said no. He definitely saw the writing on the wall and jumped off the sinking ship just in time.
>The final act in a trilogy does not exist in a vacuum. It is the finale of a three part story.
Now I know you didnt watch the movies. Also you are stupid.
Episode 7 really was the main culprit. That movie is a mess of pointless mystery box plot threads that ultimately make no sense under scrutiny. The one that still to this fricking day pisses me off is if Luke went into hiding why did he leave a map behind? There doesn't need to be a map but the film needs a McGuffin so there's a map. Rey's origins are also moronic but the biggest one is that her being able to speak Wookie was originally presented as some kind of clue to her origins and not a force sensitive thing. It's clearly meant to make you think she's related to the main cast in some way but none of the main cast knows who the hell she is so clearly she can't be related to any of them and it's just a dead end red herring. The movie is filled with this shit and it's all terrible.
9 is just incredibly stupid, 8 is actively vindictive against the fanbase. 8 actually does some interesting things but the deliberate attempt to destroy Luke Skywalker makes me hate it more than any of them. 9 is just incompetence, 8 is the director actively telling me to go frick myself.
This.
Johnson could have done a proper SW movie, but refused to and actively tried to do everything wrong. Despite it making little sense and me hating it with passion, some parts of it are actually good like the part where Kylo invites Rey to join him and let everything else to die.
I don't hate 9 but it's just so lame that it doesn't provoke any more sentiments from me. I just can't care any longer.
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson actively tried to undone each other in 8 and 9 is also so surprising it isn't even funny. How the hell could this happen.
They're difficult to rank. TLJ had some cool moments and some really, really bad moments, while TROS was steadily idiotic from start to end. TROS was objectively the worst movie, but if you say a clown was stupid, it sounds more like a compliment. It's the least offensive new SW in its honest commitment to stupidity.
>‘Rank the three Star Wars films you are in from best to worst.’ Hell yeah, I’ll do it. 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' is most definitely the best. Second for me comes 'Star Wars 9.' And the worst, in the most respectful sense, 'Episode 8.' But they’re all lovely.”
He thought he was going to get with Rey and Rian just ships him with a random Asian woman. Also Finn and Rose’s plot felt boring and emotionally pointless to the story.
1st one was lame since just some lame redo of old Star Wars Death Star story
2nd one was just that endless chase with dumb bonus casino level and only cool thing was that lightspeed jump into big ship which people didnt like either
so therefore 3rd one was best
7 rehashed things, but that was acceptable as it was a spiritual successor in a way, It was at least a good movie. 8 was so bad it single handedly killed my interest in a franchise I'd followed for decades. I never watched 9, or anything that came after.
9 is a redo too though, the Emperor is back and has deathstars. The Darth Vader character then has a change of heart motivated by his family and helps the protagonist kill the emperor before dying. At the same time the resistance blows up the death stars because of some weakness and they win and celebrate peace in the galaxy (until episode 10).
Will these movies get some sort of revisionism in the future? The prequels did for different reasons, but the sequels are just irredeemable in every aspect, I can't see people saying they were great all along.
I doubt it. I’m a zoomer and like the prequels because of the cool characters like Darth Maul, Grevious, Dooku, young Obi-Wan, etc. The sequels have nobody particularly compelling (look at Rose lmao), just the bland perfect Rey because she is the good guy with the lightsaber and Kylo who is a derivative and emo Vader. In my opinion, the overall designs are better in the prequels too, and they are more novel. We have the clones that are like stormtroopers, but also droids, a few alien factions, along with the entirety of the Jedi order. Sequels is just stormtroopers vs rebels round 2, but worse. Thus, the sequels do nothing to really expand the world of Star Wars, beyond showing a few new odd looking aliens in a crowd and using a couple different (often desert) planets as backgrounds (can anyone even name any either, besides maybe Jakku).
The prequels had more action and it was better too, which appeals to kids. Additionally, the prequels actually have a plot and direction that isn’t completely inconsistent or derivative (no Death Stars getting blown up again, unlike episode 7 and 9). Good and unique pieces from the soundtrack is another thing the prequels have going for them.
People mostly seem to dislike the prequels for apparently ruining the originals and a lot people’s own childhoods. This ruining though, was not nearly as blatant as the sequels and was not intentional by George, unlike the sequels that purposely made original characters into failures. He just changed his mind in some aspects and expanded things in ways which had consequences for the originals. This was the case from movie to movie in the originals a bit anyways. George actually seemingly had passion, and wasn’t only going for a soulless cash grab, which is what the sequels were.
I never understood all the hate for the prequels. The idea that Palpatine had already won by episode 1 and that a single choice by Quigon to train Anakin and then dying to save him, creating a sleeper agent that would change sides in episode 6, was a good idea. It showed that the Jedi's own hubris was their undoing and that they had to fail in order to succeed and be rebuilt later on. That same hubris should have been the core criticism Kylo made in ep8 if the Rian cared at all about what he was doing. The only problem of the prequels was the terrible dialogue in ep 2 and the chosen one garbage in ep 1.
They are shitty movies. It's not just the dialogue, it's the fact that characters aren't developed, that there's too many of them, that plot sucks and so on. The best thing about the prequels is the premise and the general ideas, but that's it.
The prequels are all good ideas (well, mostly).
Execution? OOF
Character issues, pacing issues, logic issues, motivation issues, tone issues, scene issues...
The thing about the prequels is that the themes, worldbuilding, general story, ideas, etc. are all really really cool and interesting, revolutionary even, but the execution is dreadful.
The pacing of TPM is just the worst, Jar Jar, nearly all of AotC, some parts of RotS, the overreliance on CGI, etc.
I really like the prequels, but I don't deny that they have many flaws.
Also the memes are pretty sick
The sequels have some interesting ideas, but they execute none of them properly. Frick those movies
They didn't.
They refused to CALL X and Y Jedi or Sith but that's pointless. And ignored again in Ep. IX
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Anonymous
But that is what Star Wars is. Without them it becomes more of a generic science fiction.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>that's hat Star Wars is
No, you can get rid of the meme factions and make more neutral force users. Sith are dead anyway, so they shouldn't be brought back.
They didn't.
They refused to CALL X and Y Jedi or Sith but that's pointless. And ignored again in Ep. IX
I think Rian genuinely wanted to do this.
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Anonymous
The Sith as a concept never mattered anyway. It's completely absent in the OT; what's relevant about Vader is that he's a Jedi that betrayed the rest of the Jedi. This is true even in the prequels.
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But you can blame Lucas for this. He turned Jedi from cool space monks/ninja into a weirdo Jesuit-like cult. I don't think it was even mentioned in the old trilogy that Jedi can't fall in love.
>an even bigger Death Star >a desert planet the protagonist (who’s dirt poor but really good at mechanics) is from >a white planet but this time it’s salt instead of snow >the emperor is the big bad >a Jedi master exiled on a secluded planet
wait I think I’ve heard some of these before
My dad wanted to go to the theatres and that is what was playing and we decided to watch.
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I probably would have ended watching it at some point anyways, because of “morbid curiosity” like this anon. Star Wars is/was such a titan and cultural presence that there was still draw to see the conclusion. It is the only brand that really has that power on me, and ability to get me to watch their dogshit. It was funny to see how they struggled to try course correct and their horrendous trilogy effort has led to countless discussion like this thread, so it was worth it in my view. I can’t be bothered with their TV series though and was in no rush to watch the movies. I saw The Last Jedi on an airplane TV months after release.
My thought after TFA, like everyone else, was copium that it’s just a setup for the really good stuff. Play it safe, it’s the first movie, just get a feel for how this works. That died the moment Luke throws his lightsaber over his shoulder and from that point i was just in awe of how systematically Rian Johnson subverted my expectations of a good movie. Then I heard Palpatine somehow returned in goddamn Fortnite and that pretty much set the tone of what to expect in ROS. It just feels so bizarre, like JJ had to take the mystery boxes from TFA, clean Rian’s shit out of them, and give some answers all on top of the dumbest fetch quest I’ve ever laid eyes on. It’s way better as a comedy than anything serious
btw andor is surprisingly good, that and the first two seasons of mandalorian are worth a torrent. Everything else is hot garbage or literal Filonislop cartoons
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For me ROS made TFA actually worse as it turned out that Abrams really wanted to remade the OT with Kylo as Vader and Smoke or whatever was his name as Palpatine.
No, more like you tards are always trying to push this narrative to gaslight people into thinking the steaming turds of sequels are somehow good. As if the sequels are anything like the prequels.
>People are trying to reinterpret the Last Jedi as a comedy
It's an unforgettable milestone in how to absolutely and irrevocably shatter a fanbase's suspension of disbelief. It was so cancerous that even dipshit Iger hinting that the Mandolorian "timeline" would eventually connect to Rey's was enough to bury all their Disney+ series in one fell swoop.
Not really, zoomers give zero fricks about Star Wars and already regard it as that cringy millennial thing, same with Harry Potter.
The thing about the prequel trilogy is that while people aged 18-40 were bored to death and horrified by them, kids aged 6-12 were entertained and basedfacing. There are no kids enjoying nu star-wars, they're all watching Marvel.
>they're all watching Marvel.
actually they watch minecraft youtubers and don't give a frick about creaky silent-film era looking shit like batman. nobody at any frickin endgame showings was under 22
I watched it out of morbid curiosity. My exact thought beforehand was >well, they just killed all the potential storylines for the last movie, let’s see what they come up with
and after it was >what the frick did I just watch?
second most expensive movie ever made btw
I remember than when the proper digital version came out, nobody bothered to even upload it into torrent. Everybody had already watched the camrips and no way in hell they were going to watch it twice.
personally i watched it bc at the time i trusted jj abrams. i still think it wasn't truly his fault that it turned out shitty the whole retcon thing must've been a studio mandate
My dad wanted to go to the theatres and that is what was playing and we decided to watch.
I watched it out of morbid curiosity. My exact thought beforehand was >well, they just killed all the potential storylines for the last movie, let’s see what they come up with
and after it was >what the frick did I just watch?
second most expensive movie ever made btw
I probably would have ended watching it at some point anyways, because of “morbid curiosity” like this anon. Star Wars is/was such a titan and cultural presence that there was still draw to see the conclusion. It is the only brand that really has that power on me, and ability to get me to watch their dogshit. It was funny to see how they struggled to try course correct and their horrendous trilogy effort has led to countless discussion like this thread, so it was worth it in my view. I can’t be bothered with their TV series though and was in no rush to watch the movies. I saw The Last Jedi on an airplane TV months after release.
This. I had zero interest in seeing it even out of morbid curiosity after TLJ. You have to be completely braindead to return for more abuse after the one-two punch of the prequels and the sequels.
Nope. You could make a better story after 8. Kylo as the main antagonist, Rey trying to stop him. Let him commit a bunch of atrocities or something, so it would be more dramatic with Rey forcing herself to kill him despite loving him.
9s faults are actually caused by The Force Awakens. 9 proves that JJ original idea for the trilogy was to copy the old trilogy and some of the worst EU ideas.
The Rey/Kylo plot was kino. Everything else sucked. He’s just mad because he was stuck in one of the shitty B-plots and that pretty much ruined his character. Also it established Reylo as being canon which pretty much killed the interracial delusion ending Abrams was setting up for.
The second one is just a shitty copy of Empire Strikes Back and parts of Return of the Jedi. Fans liked The Force Awakens, which is a shitty copy of the original movie. They are just braindead morons.
As bad as the last one was, the idea that the entirety of the Sith and the entirety of the Jedi squared off through their respective champions was an interesting idea
Episode 7 is boring and derivative shit that people shouldn’t consider good, with the set up it provided for the rest of the trilogy being a poor foundation.
From the beginning the sequels managed to be insulting with episode 7 undoing the accomplishments of the OT and legacy characters, giving them a host of failures and even already killing off one legacy character rather unceremoniously. The new characters offered were uninspiring or worse, provoking.
All that said, it still manages to be the best among them and this seems to be the consensus. The nostalgia baiting redo tactic while bland, was capable of pacifying people at first, as they were lenient and still eager for their Star Wars fix. The situation for the trilogy was still salvageable at this point.
Episode 8 took the knife, plunged it further into the wound and twisted it. It then proceeded to cut the head off. All the lame setups from the prior movie were squashed for the shock factor, which leaves the movie with nothing to offer though.
Luke’s character was made into a bitter, whiny butthole with no sense of duty or responsibility. Inexplicably, he doesn’t care at all about his friends, family, the cause he fought for, the religion and order he joined, or the well-being of the entire galaxy. He doesn’t even respect himself and by his own words wants to die. All that for a “triumphant” return, caused by a sudden random change of heart because Yoda told him to or something. Luke manages to buy the pathetically small remaining resistance forces a few minutes with this “inspiring” return, which was really a suicide that finally grants him the death he craved. Just a horrendous and aggravating treatment of a character that I wasn’t even that fond of myself, and the plot also suffers immensely from it with there being no payoff.
The tone is silly and the meandering side plots with no payoff either were disappointing too. Movie is worse than the first.
Episode 9 was a desperate attempt to undo the damage, but it was too late and a sloppy attempt. The movie had to quickly create and then solve the story, motivations and reasoning for the whole trilogy. The result was utterly soulless and often called quite forgettable. Things were made even more messy in the process too, and as a result the whole trilogy is schizophrenic and can’t make up its mind about itself. Apparently, the totally apathetic Luke that refused to help anyone until the last dramatic minute in the previous movie, had actually been searching for Palpatine or something, which makes his previous actions even more nonsensical.
Episode 9 is on par with episode 8, and could even be worse honestly. It is a bit of a tossup, with both having good reasoning to the claim though episode 8 is a popular answer due to it despising the audience. I might lean towards episode 9 myself, because it is just so forgettable and lacking in substance. Palpatine is revived and has even more deathstars, just so Rey can kill him and the day can be saved. At least The Last Jedi achieved something that wasn’t cobbled together fluff, even if that something was the destruction of the franchise. I understand how people hate The Last Jedi because of that though, and I do too. The insult still remains with episode 9 though and nothing further is offered. Again, both are shit though, so take your pick.
these films are a testament to how wealth inequality leads to poor outcomes.
Nobody who had decision-making roles for these films should be allowed to make any other film unless it's with their own pocket money
TFA was tolerable but it really wasnt as good as a lot of people made it out to be back then.
Storywise it had nothing new going on, it had a lot of those pointless "current thing" scenes that just stood out in a negative way and the attempt to copy Lukes character ark from ANH fell flat because Rey obviously was a heroic character right from the start who wasnt given any obvious flaws or insecurities.
In a way it was a perfect example on why feminist writing is crap. They dont allow for a satisfying heroes journey but do this weak copy about a heroine getting "what she deserves" for being so great.
Of course not, there's nothing attractive about him.
He's not a criminal rapper type and not upper class type, he's just some weird insecure Black with wide ass hips.
It's not a good movie but still the 3rd best star wars movie after the original two, if not for the mere fact that it's at least competent and originally visually/audibly mesmerizing, which is what made star wars special upon release. You can make genuine criticicisms on the story tbh, but any complaint about being a butterfly fan boy doesn't count
Of course he hates it. He basically got turned into a secondary character after being one of the main characters and the films never recovered from it. Consider it, you get to be THE black star wars actor now, you're being set up.
And then a pozzed white guy pairs you off with some other chick in a side plot that has no value and basically guts your entire character from being relevant or telling a relevant story and you have to basically listen to shills say how good and progressive the story is that mainly focuses on 3 white people in a fight over who is the right kind of space wizard.
Yeah, then there was no time for his character in The Rise of Skywalker with all the ground they had to establish and then resolve for the story. I’m a chud, but black men do appear to get screwed over with their film depictions often nowadays. When they are not being used as a weapon to attack white people, they are often a diversity addition afterthought or subject to embarrassment and abuse themselves.
Like imagine how much it sucks.
Imagine getting picked to lead in STAR WARS, and them making a big push for you only to realize you were a "diversity" hire to let them get away with having a boring flat white girl protagonist to GIRL power all over the series. First film is okay, sure you're forced to be a bit too "funny" but the next two films were probably let you have cool moments.
And then the Last Jedi happens, and you realize you're the cuck in the story. People are trying to force you to be gay or be the "diversity" relationship with the newly added diversity hire where both of you are only there to be shields from people people complaining about the boring as shit stuff Ray and Keylo are doing. Any hope you had is gone and you're stuck with the last movie where you remain the cuck, the other diversity higher has been dropped for damage control reasons and you're not even going to be a Jedi. All because JJ couldn't fricking script out a film and RJ wanted to "subvert expectations." Meanwhile you get to see shit like Black Panther get made which even if it's not true cinema, that's the kind of film you WISH you were in because you'd be the star but now you're just another in a long line of "comic black guys" that no black kid will ever really wanna be. You're the safe black cuck that's inoffensive to white liberals who will parade you around to show how not racist they are.
You mean that guy that sat around a lot and then died like a b***h to a pretty whyte boi simp and his creepy pedophile grandpa.
Yeah, stunning role model there.
>black men do appear to get screwed over with their film depictions often nowadays.
I blame the fact that Hollywood keeps trying to appeal to the Chinese market, despite knowing they are racist as frick and won't accept a serious black lead so any black guy has to be reduced to comedic companion.
I feel for Finn because he should have been the main character. He has the most compelling baseline story. A boy taken from his parents at a young age and brainwashed into being a soldier. Then he's freed and he has to struggle with the fact that he never wanted this life, and that he's fighting other victims like him. Instead he was just a red herring for ANOTHER orphan who was taken from their parents at a young age but this one actually wants to know where they come from, and is a Jedi, and his already a really cool fighter. That's why he gets so screwed over in the sequels too. Because he only existed in the first movie to be in trailers and trick people into thinking he was the new Jedi. Once that was over with no one had any need for him.
>has to struggle with the fact that he never wanted this life, and that he's fighting other victims like him
See, I wish that was actually explored more in the movies, instead we get Finn going "ah hell nah, I dont wanna be shootin' people!" and runs from the FO, only to be shooting his old trooper friends not even five minutes later.
Its completely fricked up and should be a bigger thing for his character.
TFA is a really sloppy script like that in general. Like one minute Rey wants to get off Jaku, the next she's trying to go back. Also Rey was sold to Unkar Plott, Unkar Plott apparently taught her how to pilot, they worked on ships together and the reason she knows anything about the Falcon at all is because they worked on it together, it's implied these two have a relationship of some kind, yet when he sells her out to the FO she has NO reaction to it. It's just a thing that happens in the script. And they're shown to interact maybe once despite the movie telling us they have a relationship and showing Rey being sold to him. There are so many huge missed opportunities in that script that any moron should have been able to iron out during the final draft.
Also the undid his character development from TFA. He went from a coward that wanted to run away, to be willing to fight Kylo even though he was outmatched, in order to save his friend. Then in TLJ the first he does after waking up is try to run away again.
TLJ is terrible, but it's more rewatchable than the other two. TROS is straight up one of the worst films that I have ever seen. It was offensively terrible.
And while you can say, "JJ had to fix the shit from TLJ" he's the one that left all those mystery boxes in TFA and never bothered telling anyone what the frick he was doing.
TLJ can be solved with the FO saying >wait guys, we just split in 2, half of us here, the other half goes around just a bit, then lightspeeds for a pincer
TLJ is terrible, but it's more rewatchable than the other two. TROS is straight up one of the worst films that I have ever seen. It was offensively terrible.
And while you can say, "JJ had to fix the shit from TLJ" he's the one that left all those mystery boxes in TFA and never bothered telling anyone what the frick he was doing.
I am debating that TLJ is NOT rewatchable because is too fricking moronic, and to address your point, even ignoring Luke.
>competent
Even if you pretend it's not a SW movie, it's still a boring movie about a group of unlikeable dipshits who whittle a resistance movement down from two spaceships worth of soldiers to just enough to fit in an old freighter. The worst is some old guy who could fix everything but sulks on some backwater planet like a b***h. He won't even help his own sister.
Everybody Fails: The Motion Picture. It's Dr Strangelove without the laughs.
I like The Last Jedi best because it's a middle finger to TFA which is one of the absolute worst movies ever made topped only by TRoS. That doesn't mean TLJ itself is good, but I really fricking hated TFA. It is the most soulless limp dicked film I have ever seen.
Finn probably dodged a bullet by not ending up with Rey, that chick is frickin cursed, everyone she loves dies. >parents leave her then die >projects her daddy issues, sees Han as new dad, he dies >same thing happens to Luke when she meets him >bonds with Leia, guess mommy issues as well, she dies too >her romantic feelings for Ben get him killed too
I hope people realize that even though it wasn't used in the movie, Rian made Boyega film a scene where he explicitly is heartbroken that "Rey dont want me". You can watch it on youtube deleted scenes
being an 80iq like many here, he thought until this point that he was the 'potential' romantic lead, eve though the setup for the trilogy is 100% cliche bang-on-the-nose romance novel plot between rey and dark prince kylo. pick up any romance novel or just twilight or beauty and the beast and start going 'oh...'
I hope people realize that even though it wasn't used in the movie, Rian made Boyega film a scene where he explicitly is heartbroken that "Rey dont want me". You can watch it on youtube deleted scenes
its in here at 4m
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but i remembered wrong he actually in the scene gets shown that rey DO want him (supposedly)
so he's cucked even worse in the end
TFA is a really sloppy script like that in general. Like one minute Rey wants to get off Jaku, the next she's trying to go back. Also Rey was sold to Unkar Plott, Unkar Plott apparently taught her how to pilot, they worked on ships together and the reason she knows anything about the Falcon at all is because they worked on it together, it's implied these two have a relationship of some kind, yet when he sells her out to the FO she has NO reaction to it. It's just a thing that happens in the script. And they're shown to interact maybe once despite the movie telling us they have a relationship and showing Rey being sold to him. There are so many huge missed opportunities in that script that any moron should have been able to iron out during the final draft.
he hates tlj because his character was separated from the 'main cast' and sent off with rose. btw that actress getting harassed on ig by 'racists' - the vast majority were boyegas fans mad at her for this
it's shit but the last one is worse
Worst for his character maybe? Could've had a great moment, but it's ruined.
atleast Boyega knows how good the films are
nah TLJ is def worse, the final one at least has the emperor being badass
agree, they're all awful but rise of skywalker hardly counts as a movie. it's AI before AI bots existed
I've gotten drunk and watched movies but that last star wars was the only one I've ever gotten black out drunk watching. Shit must be a trainwreck if even drunk me didn't want to look back on it
I feel like that is because it was trying to fix the mistakes of TLJ.
This. There was no path forward from TLJ without A) doubling down on the moronic plot threads that would’ve gone nowhere or B) heavily retconning and acting like TLJ was just a collective fever dream the characters had. Either way was a bad outcome and they knew it.
Nonsense.
This. I think TLJ is probably worse for the franchise as a whole, but the last one you can't even really call that a movie. It was shockingly bad.
No TLJ the worst.
source: Luke's raped character
not even shit ppl are just too invested in luke
Even putting aside the personal investment in Luke, or the fact that his behaviour makes no sense, his actions actively hamper the story by him refusing to do anything. The only thing he does before the end of the movie, is begrudgingly agree to train Rey after being coerced. Even then, he does around one lesson with her before he tells her to frick off. It also makes the effort of trying to find him in the first movie pointless, when it leads to nothing of consequence. He only helps the resistance at the end of TLJ because Yoda told him to, which can still happen without Rey ever meeting him. It is bad when his character and references to him can be removed from the first two movies outside of his final appearance, and his impact on the story doesn’t change. In fact, Rey could have been busy helping the resistance, instead of wasting the time she spent with him.
Force Awakens is much worse than Rise of Skywalker. For me VII, and VIII are both equally bad, and IX is the only halfway decent one.
At least the last one was honestly bad. The TLJ was bad on purpose.
Do you dorks not understand how a trilogy works? The final act in a trilogy does not exist in a vacuum. It is the finale of a three part story. It literally can not be good without being set up for success by the previous two parts. It is supposed to be the climax, the resolution, the conclusion of the previously set up storylines, the emotional release, the heroes coming home and celebrating, etc. It can't be a whole trilogy in itself complete with setting up a brand new villain and everything. The ninth movie was ALWAYS destined to be shit because the previous movies didn't care to set it up for success and the eight movie actively closed off all plot lines that it could have possibly used. It's no wonder the third director noped the frick out when he saw the garbage he was being handed. So saying stupid things like "episode nine was worse" is just incredibly idiotic.
>and the eight movie actively closed off all plot lines that it could have possibly used
I disagree. The conflict wasn't resolved and Kylo should've become the main antagonist. There was no reason to bring back Palpatine.
>The ninth movie was ALWAYS destined to be shit because the previous movies didn't care to set it up for success
That's true. I also think this is true about TLJ with respect to TFA, to some extent. But a lot of their problems can't be blamed on the previous movies. Fisher dying put any version of IX in a difficult position, but the tacky shamelessness of TROS is all on Abrams. TLJ didn't dictate Rey being Palpatine's secret granddaughter, or "I am all the Jedi," or any of its other most miserable decisions. It wasn't even necessary to bring the Emperor back. All three are shit movies and TFA doomed the whole trilogy, but each paved their own path to the trash can.
>It's no wonder the third director noped the frick out when he saw the garbage he was being handed.
Pretty sure I read that Trevorrow was begging for certain story directions from the Last Jedi but Kennedy said no. He definitely saw the writing on the wall and jumped off the sinking ship just in time.
>The final act in a trilogy does not exist in a vacuum. It is the finale of a three part story.
Now I know you didnt watch the movies. Also you are stupid.
So why not saying Episode 7 was the main culprit instead?
Episode 7 really was the main culprit. That movie is a mess of pointless mystery box plot threads that ultimately make no sense under scrutiny. The one that still to this fricking day pisses me off is if Luke went into hiding why did he leave a map behind? There doesn't need to be a map but the film needs a McGuffin so there's a map. Rey's origins are also moronic but the biggest one is that her being able to speak Wookie was originally presented as some kind of clue to her origins and not a force sensitive thing. It's clearly meant to make you think she's related to the main cast in some way but none of the main cast knows who the hell she is so clearly she can't be related to any of them and it's just a dead end red herring. The movie is filled with this shit and it's all terrible.
Ep9 is the worst, but that's primarily because Ep8 ended the trilogy's main plot threads prematurely.
TROS is so aggressively insipid that it managed to be even worse than TLJ.
8 and 9 are terrible in different ways.
9 is just incredibly stupid, 8 is actively vindictive against the fanbase. 8 actually does some interesting things but the deliberate attempt to destroy Luke Skywalker makes me hate it more than any of them. 9 is just incompetence, 8 is the director actively telling me to go frick myself.
This.
Johnson could have done a proper SW movie, but refused to and actively tried to do everything wrong. Despite it making little sense and me hating it with passion, some parts of it are actually good like the part where Kylo invites Rey to join him and let everything else to die.
I don't hate 9 but it's just so lame that it doesn't provoke any more sentiments from me. I just can't care any longer.
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson actively tried to undone each other in 8 and 9 is also so surprising it isn't even funny. How the hell could this happen.
>How the hell could this happen.
Story group was a waste of oxygen.
Finally the correct take. Thank you.
They're difficult to rank. TLJ had some cool moments and some really, really bad moments, while TROS was steadily idiotic from start to end. TROS was objectively the worst movie, but if you say a clown was stupid, it sounds more like a compliment. It's the least offensive new SW in its honest commitment to stupidity.
All Disney threads are bot threads.
Disney has bots talking about how their movies are awful and their business is floundering?
could someone post the full quote?
>‘Rank the three Star Wars films you are in from best to worst.’ Hell yeah, I’ll do it. 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' is most definitely the best. Second for me comes 'Star Wars 9.' And the worst, in the most respectful sense, 'Episode 8.' But they’re all lovely.”
I can’t blame him for saying that.
He thought he was going to get with Rey and Rian just ships him with a random Asian woman. Also Finn and Rose’s plot felt boring and emotionally pointless to the story.
He’s still mad about having to kiss that asian instead of the white girl lmao
lol he really didn't want to, did he?
>actual rose flowers not included
>OH NO YOU DON'T, FINN! YOU'RE NOT SACRIFICING YOURSELF UNTIL YOU GIVE ME THAT PIPE!
i know Cinemaphile hates him but his antics never cease to amuse me
My fatigue is off the charts, I can't even find it amusing anymore
1st one was lame since just some lame redo of old Star Wars Death Star story
2nd one was just that endless chase with dumb bonus casino level and only cool thing was that lightspeed jump into big ship which people didnt like either
so therefore 3rd one was best
7 rehashed things, but that was acceptable as it was a spiritual successor in a way, It was at least a good movie. 8 was so bad it single handedly killed my interest in a franchise I'd followed for decades. I never watched 9, or anything that came after.
9 is a redo too though, the Emperor is back and has deathstars. The Darth Vader character then has a change of heart motivated by his family and helps the protagonist kill the emperor before dying. At the same time the resistance blows up the death stars because of some weakness and they win and celebrate peace in the galaxy (until episode 10).
It's funny because they did an exact copy of the throne room scene from Return of the Jedi in 2/3 of the new trilogy movies.
>and celebrate peace in the galaxy
Why should they?
They defeated the Final Order, not the First Order.
They will be wiped soon.
Will these movies get some sort of revisionism in the future? The prequels did for different reasons, but the sequels are just irredeemable in every aspect, I can't see people saying they were great all along.
When the rights transfer again one day they will just ignore everything except the original 6 movies, like Disney did.
I doubt it. I’m a zoomer and like the prequels because of the cool characters like Darth Maul, Grevious, Dooku, young Obi-Wan, etc. The sequels have nobody particularly compelling (look at Rose lmao), just the bland perfect Rey because she is the good guy with the lightsaber and Kylo who is a derivative and emo Vader. In my opinion, the overall designs are better in the prequels too, and they are more novel. We have the clones that are like stormtroopers, but also droids, a few alien factions, along with the entirety of the Jedi order. Sequels is just stormtroopers vs rebels round 2, but worse. Thus, the sequels do nothing to really expand the world of Star Wars, beyond showing a few new odd looking aliens in a crowd and using a couple different (often desert) planets as backgrounds (can anyone even name any either, besides maybe Jakku).
The prequels had more action and it was better too, which appeals to kids. Additionally, the prequels actually have a plot and direction that isn’t completely inconsistent or derivative (no Death Stars getting blown up again, unlike episode 7 and 9). Good and unique pieces from the soundtrack is another thing the prequels have going for them.
People mostly seem to dislike the prequels for apparently ruining the originals and a lot people’s own childhoods. This ruining though, was not nearly as blatant as the sequels and was not intentional by George, unlike the sequels that purposely made original characters into failures. He just changed his mind in some aspects and expanded things in ways which had consequences for the originals. This was the case from movie to movie in the originals a bit anyways. George actually seemingly had passion, and wasn’t only going for a soulless cash grab, which is what the sequels were.
To add, people are disappointed with how George handled things, but at least he brought stuff to the table, unlike the sequels.
I never understood all the hate for the prequels. The idea that Palpatine had already won by episode 1 and that a single choice by Quigon to train Anakin and then dying to save him, creating a sleeper agent that would change sides in episode 6, was a good idea. It showed that the Jedi's own hubris was their undoing and that they had to fail in order to succeed and be rebuilt later on. That same hubris should have been the core criticism Kylo made in ep8 if the Rian cared at all about what he was doing. The only problem of the prequels was the terrible dialogue in ep 2 and the chosen one garbage in ep 1.
They are shitty movies. It's not just the dialogue, it's the fact that characters aren't developed, that there's too many of them, that plot sucks and so on. The best thing about the prequels is the premise and the general ideas, but that's it.
The prequels are all good ideas (well, mostly).
Execution? OOF
Character issues, pacing issues, logic issues, motivation issues, tone issues, scene issues...
The thing about the prequels is that the themes, worldbuilding, general story, ideas, etc. are all really really cool and interesting, revolutionary even, but the execution is dreadful.
The pacing of TPM is just the worst, Jar Jar, nearly all of AotC, some parts of RotS, the overreliance on CGI, etc.
I really like the prequels, but I don't deny that they have many flaws.
Also the memes are pretty sick
The sequels have some interesting ideas, but they execute none of them properly. Frick those movies
>The sequels have some interesting ideas
Such as?
Getting rid of Jedi and Sith.
They didn't.
They refused to CALL X and Y Jedi or Sith but that's pointless. And ignored again in Ep. IX
But that is what Star Wars is. Without them it becomes more of a generic science fiction.
>that's hat Star Wars is
No, you can get rid of the meme factions and make more neutral force users. Sith are dead anyway, so they shouldn't be brought back.
I think Rian genuinely wanted to do this.
The Sith as a concept never mattered anyway. It's completely absent in the OT; what's relevant about Vader is that he's a Jedi that betrayed the rest of the Jedi. This is true even in the prequels.
But you can blame Lucas for this. He turned Jedi from cool space monks/ninja into a weirdo Jesuit-like cult. I don't think it was even mentioned in the old trilogy that Jedi can't fall in love.
>an even bigger Death Star
>a desert planet the protagonist (who’s dirt poor but really good at mechanics) is from
>a white planet but this time it’s salt instead of snow
>the emperor is the big bad
>a Jedi master exiled on a secluded planet
wait I think I’ve heard some of these before
My thought after TFA, like everyone else, was copium that it’s just a setup for the really good stuff. Play it safe, it’s the first movie, just get a feel for how this works. That died the moment Luke throws his lightsaber over his shoulder and from that point i was just in awe of how systematically Rian Johnson subverted my expectations of a good movie. Then I heard Palpatine somehow returned in goddamn Fortnite and that pretty much set the tone of what to expect in ROS. It just feels so bizarre, like JJ had to take the mystery boxes from TFA, clean Rian’s shit out of them, and give some answers all on top of the dumbest fetch quest I’ve ever laid eyes on. It’s way better as a comedy than anything serious
btw andor is surprisingly good, that and the first two seasons of mandalorian are worth a torrent. Everything else is hot garbage or literal Filonislop cartoons
For me ROS made TFA actually worse as it turned out that Abrams really wanted to remade the OT with Kylo as Vader and Smoke or whatever was his name as Palpatine.
>worldbuilding, general story
Some of it. Even in broad, conceptual strokes a lot of what the prequels offer is trash.
It's already happening. People are trying to reinterpret the Last Jedi as a comedy, just like they did the Prequels.
No, more like you tards are always trying to push this narrative to gaslight people into thinking the steaming turds of sequels are somehow good. As if the sequels are anything like the prequels.
>As if the sequels are anything like the prequels.
They are, in that they're both trash.
>People are trying to reinterpret the Last Jedi as a comedy
It's an unforgettable milestone in how to absolutely and irrevocably shatter a fanbase's suspension of disbelief. It was so cancerous that even dipshit Iger hinting that the Mandolorian "timeline" would eventually connect to Rey's was enough to bury all their Disney+ series in one fell swoop.
Not really, zoomers give zero fricks about Star Wars and already regard it as that cringy millennial thing, same with Harry Potter.
The thing about the prequel trilogy is that while people aged 18-40 were bored to death and horrified by them, kids aged 6-12 were entertained and basedfacing. There are no kids enjoying nu star-wars, they're all watching Marvel.
>they're all watching Marvel.
actually they watch minecraft youtubers and don't give a frick about creaky silent-film era looking shit like batman. nobody at any frickin endgame showings was under 22
john boyega attempts for the nth time to get people to care about him
boyega is so pissed they made him kiss that ugly chick
How have people even seen Rise of Skywalker? That's what puzzles me. Like, how could you prepare yourself to sit down and watch that?
Nope.
I pirated TLJ just to see how bad it would be after the trainwreck of TFA. Didn't bother after that.
I watched it out of morbid curiosity. My exact thought beforehand was
>well, they just killed all the potential storylines for the last movie, let’s see what they come up with
and after it was
>what the frick did I just watch?
second most expensive movie ever made btw
i saw it on a chinese camrip when it came out
I remember than when the proper digital version came out, nobody bothered to even upload it into torrent. Everybody had already watched the camrips and no way in hell they were going to watch it twice.
personally i watched it bc at the time i trusted jj abrams. i still think it wasn't truly his fault that it turned out shitty the whole retcon thing must've been a studio mandate
My dad wanted to go to the theatres and that is what was playing and we decided to watch.
I probably would have ended watching it at some point anyways, because of “morbid curiosity” like this anon. Star Wars is/was such a titan and cultural presence that there was still draw to see the conclusion. It is the only brand that really has that power on me, and ability to get me to watch their dogshit. It was funny to see how they struggled to try course correct and their horrendous trilogy effort has led to countless discussion like this thread, so it was worth it in my view. I can’t be bothered with their TV series though and was in no rush to watch the movies. I saw The Last Jedi on an airplane TV months after release.
This. I had zero interest in seeing it even out of morbid curiosity after TLJ. You have to be completely braindead to return for more abuse after the one-two punch of the prequels and the sequels.
If I remember right be really likes Star Wars a lot. The Luke bullshit probably pissed him off.
9s faults are directly caused by 8s
don't get it twisted
Nope. You could make a better story after 8. Kylo as the main antagonist, Rey trying to stop him. Let him commit a bunch of atrocities or something, so it would be more dramatic with Rey forcing herself to kill him despite loving him.
9s faults are actually caused by The Force Awakens. 9 proves that JJ original idea for the trilogy was to copy the old trilogy and some of the worst EU ideas.
The problem was JJ trying to undo what he didn't like in the last movie instead of just trying to create a good movie that expands on the previous.
The Rey/Kylo plot was kino. Everything else sucked. He’s just mad because he was stuck in one of the shitty B-plots and that pretty much ruined his character. Also it established Reylo as being canon which pretty much killed the interracial delusion ending Abrams was setting up for.
>The writer's plan for his own character is a delusion.
Do you even know what that word means?
NOOOOOO FRICK THIS SEXIST REY WAS AN INSPIRATION TO WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE THINK OF THE LITTLE GIRLS YOU STUPID ASS homie
How will TLJ apologists explain this one?
Blacks have low IQ.
TLJ apologists are white and only give a shit about minorities when they submit
That's my testicle
He's right. The last was bad, but it didn't turn the Fandom against Star Wars like TLJ.
The second one is just a shitty copy of Empire Strikes Back and parts of Return of the Jedi. Fans liked The Force Awakens, which is a shitty copy of the original movie. They are just braindead morons.
I just stopped thinking about the sequels “forget the past” or whatever right?
He’s right
As bad as the last one was, the idea that the entirety of the Sith and the entirety of the Jedi squared off through their respective champions was an interesting idea
Episode 7 is boring and derivative shit that people shouldn’t consider good, with the set up it provided for the rest of the trilogy being a poor foundation.
From the beginning the sequels managed to be insulting with episode 7 undoing the accomplishments of the OT and legacy characters, giving them a host of failures and even already killing off one legacy character rather unceremoniously. The new characters offered were uninspiring or worse, provoking.
All that said, it still manages to be the best among them and this seems to be the consensus. The nostalgia baiting redo tactic while bland, was capable of pacifying people at first, as they were lenient and still eager for their Star Wars fix. The situation for the trilogy was still salvageable at this point.
Episode 8 took the knife, plunged it further into the wound and twisted it. It then proceeded to cut the head off. All the lame setups from the prior movie were squashed for the shock factor, which leaves the movie with nothing to offer though.
Luke’s character was made into a bitter, whiny butthole with no sense of duty or responsibility. Inexplicably, he doesn’t care at all about his friends, family, the cause he fought for, the religion and order he joined, or the well-being of the entire galaxy. He doesn’t even respect himself and by his own words wants to die. All that for a “triumphant” return, caused by a sudden random change of heart because Yoda told him to or something. Luke manages to buy the pathetically small remaining resistance forces a few minutes with this “inspiring” return, which was really a suicide that finally grants him the death he craved. Just a horrendous and aggravating treatment of a character that I wasn’t even that fond of myself, and the plot also suffers immensely from it with there being no payoff.
The tone is silly and the meandering side plots with no payoff either were disappointing too. Movie is worse than the first.
Episode 9 was a desperate attempt to undo the damage, but it was too late and a sloppy attempt. The movie had to quickly create and then solve the story, motivations and reasoning for the whole trilogy. The result was utterly soulless and often called quite forgettable. Things were made even more messy in the process too, and as a result the whole trilogy is schizophrenic and can’t make up its mind about itself. Apparently, the totally apathetic Luke that refused to help anyone until the last dramatic minute in the previous movie, had actually been searching for Palpatine or something, which makes his previous actions even more nonsensical.
Episode 9 is on par with episode 8, and could even be worse honestly. It is a bit of a tossup, with both having good reasoning to the claim though episode 8 is a popular answer due to it despising the audience. I might lean towards episode 9 myself, because it is just so forgettable and lacking in substance. Palpatine is revived and has even more deathstars, just so Rey can kill him and the day can be saved. At least The Last Jedi achieved something that wasn’t cobbled together fluff, even if that something was the destruction of the franchise. I understand how people hate The Last Jedi because of that though, and I do too. The insult still remains with episode 9 though and nothing further is offered. Again, both are shit though, so take your pick.
nobody fricks anything in Star Wars. It's sexless and cold and weird.
> It's sexless and cold and weird.
ha yeah, that’s so weird haha what a weird thing haha
Romance is a huge part of the first two trilogies wtf are you on?
The original movies are horny as frick
If I was him I'd not like TLJ either. It is the movie that stopped his potiental romance with Rei and stopped him from becoming a Jedi.
how sad is it that this was the best fight in the sequelogy
indication real early finn was gonna' get a rough treatment
these films are a testament to how wealth inequality leads to poor outcomes.
Nobody who had decision-making roles for these films should be allowed to make any other film unless it's with their own pocket money
They all sucks of course.
TLJ is the meanest.
RoS is the dumbest.
The worst movie is TFA .
One day you plebs will get it.
TFA was tolerable but it really wasnt as good as a lot of people made it out to be back then.
Storywise it had nothing new going on, it had a lot of those pointless "current thing" scenes that just stood out in a negative way and the attempt to copy Lukes character ark from ANH fell flat because Rey obviously was a heroic character right from the start who wasnt given any obvious flaws or insecurities.
In a way it was a perfect example on why feminist writing is crap. They dont allow for a satisfying heroes journey but do this weak copy about a heroine getting "what she deserves" for being so great.
>TFA was tolerable
>One day you plebs will get it.
One day anon. One day.
i hope so. i hope he gave her a full load and left her with mulatto triplets to support on her own.
i really fricking hate rey.
Of course not, there's nothing attractive about him.
He's not a criminal rapper type and not upper class type, he's just some weird insecure Black with wide ass hips.
It's not a good movie but still the 3rd best star wars movie after the original two, if not for the mere fact that it's at least competent and originally visually/audibly mesmerizing, which is what made star wars special upon release. You can make genuine criticicisms on the story tbh, but any complaint about being a butterfly fan boy doesn't count
He really hated kissing the fat asian chick lololol
Of course he hates it. He basically got turned into a secondary character after being one of the main characters and the films never recovered from it. Consider it, you get to be THE black star wars actor now, you're being set up.
And then a pozzed white guy pairs you off with some other chick in a side plot that has no value and basically guts your entire character from being relevant or telling a relevant story and you have to basically listen to shills say how good and progressive the story is that mainly focuses on 3 white people in a fight over who is the right kind of space wizard.
Yeah, then there was no time for his character in The Rise of Skywalker with all the ground they had to establish and then resolve for the story. I’m a chud, but black men do appear to get screwed over with their film depictions often nowadays. When they are not being used as a weapon to attack white people, they are often a diversity addition afterthought or subject to embarrassment and abuse themselves.
Like imagine how much it sucks.
Imagine getting picked to lead in STAR WARS, and them making a big push for you only to realize you were a "diversity" hire to let them get away with having a boring flat white girl protagonist to GIRL power all over the series. First film is okay, sure you're forced to be a bit too "funny" but the next two films were probably let you have cool moments.
And then the Last Jedi happens, and you realize you're the cuck in the story. People are trying to force you to be gay or be the "diversity" relationship with the newly added diversity hire where both of you are only there to be shields from people people complaining about the boring as shit stuff Ray and Keylo are doing. Any hope you had is gone and you're stuck with the last movie where you remain the cuck, the other diversity higher has been dropped for damage control reasons and you're not even going to be a Jedi. All because JJ couldn't fricking script out a film and RJ wanted to "subvert expectations." Meanwhile you get to see shit like Black Panther get made which even if it's not true cinema, that's the kind of film you WISH you were in because you'd be the star but now you're just another in a long line of "comic black guys" that no black kid will ever really wanna be. You're the safe black cuck that's inoffensive to white liberals who will parade you around to show how not racist they are.
George Lucas did diversity better. Sure you had the white leads, Anakin, Obi Wan, Padme, but you still had Mace Windu.
You mean that guy that sat around a lot and then died like a b***h to a pretty whyte boi simp and his creepy pedophile grandpa.
Yeah, stunning role model there.
>black men do appear to get screwed over with their film depictions often nowadays.
I blame the fact that Hollywood keeps trying to appeal to the Chinese market, despite knowing they are racist as frick and won't accept a serious black lead so any black guy has to be reduced to comedic companion.
I feel for Finn because he should have been the main character. He has the most compelling baseline story. A boy taken from his parents at a young age and brainwashed into being a soldier. Then he's freed and he has to struggle with the fact that he never wanted this life, and that he's fighting other victims like him. Instead he was just a red herring for ANOTHER orphan who was taken from their parents at a young age but this one actually wants to know where they come from, and is a Jedi, and his already a really cool fighter. That's why he gets so screwed over in the sequels too. Because he only existed in the first movie to be in trailers and trick people into thinking he was the new Jedi. Once that was over with no one had any need for him.
>has to struggle with the fact that he never wanted this life, and that he's fighting other victims like him
See, I wish that was actually explored more in the movies, instead we get Finn going "ah hell nah, I dont wanna be shootin' people!" and runs from the FO, only to be shooting his old trooper friends not even five minutes later.
Its completely fricked up and should be a bigger thing for his character.
TFA is a really sloppy script like that in general. Like one minute Rey wants to get off Jaku, the next she's trying to go back. Also Rey was sold to Unkar Plott, Unkar Plott apparently taught her how to pilot, they worked on ships together and the reason she knows anything about the Falcon at all is because they worked on it together, it's implied these two have a relationship of some kind, yet when he sells her out to the FO she has NO reaction to it. It's just a thing that happens in the script. And they're shown to interact maybe once despite the movie telling us they have a relationship and showing Rey being sold to him. There are so many huge missed opportunities in that script that any moron should have been able to iron out during the final draft.
Also the undid his character development from TFA. He went from a coward that wanted to run away, to be willing to fight Kylo even though he was outmatched, in order to save his friend. Then in TLJ the first he does after waking up is try to run away again.
TLJ is terrible, but it's more rewatchable than the other two. TROS is straight up one of the worst films that I have ever seen. It was offensively terrible.
And while you can say, "JJ had to fix the shit from TLJ" he's the one that left all those mystery boxes in TFA and never bothered telling anyone what the frick he was doing.
TLJ can be solved with the FO saying
>wait guys, we just split in 2, half of us here, the other half goes around just a bit, then lightspeeds for a pincer
Okay now fix Luke.
Anon I was answering to
I am debating that TLJ is NOT rewatchable because is too fricking moronic, and to address your point, even ignoring Luke.
Let's be honest here.
5 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 9
5>4>6>3>2>1>9>8>7
I will never place the PT over the OT, and I will never place the ST over the PT. I still prefer the flawed prequels over the rehashed sequels.
All of the prequels are better than all of the sequels.
5>4>6>3>2>1>7>8
and I refuse to see the beating of a dead horse that is 9
I just got that those screenshots are supposed to somehow prove him wrong, What a fricking loser.
the force awakens is the worst tho
TLJ is the only competent sequel movie, 7 and 9 had no idea or plan for an actual story, 8 did
Pity that plan was terrible.
>competent
Even if you pretend it's not a SW movie, it's still a boring movie about a group of unlikeable dipshits who whittle a resistance movement down from two spaceships worth of soldiers to just enough to fit in an old freighter. The worst is some old guy who could fix everything but sulks on some backwater planet like a b***h. He won't even help his own sister.
Everybody Fails: The Motion Picture. It's Dr Strangelove without the laughs.
yes, i'm sure john can point at the sky and accurately describe it as being blue as well.
I like The Last Jedi best because it's a middle finger to TFA which is one of the absolute worst movies ever made topped only by TRoS. That doesn't mean TLJ itself is good, but I really fricking hated TFA. It is the most soulless limp dicked film I have ever seen.
Finn probably dodged a bullet by not ending up with Rey, that chick is frickin cursed, everyone she loves dies.
>parents leave her then die
>projects her daddy issues, sees Han as new dad, he dies
>same thing happens to Luke when she meets him
>bonds with Leia, guess mommy issues as well, she dies too
>her romantic feelings for Ben get him killed too
I hope people realize that even though it wasn't used in the movie, Rian made Boyega film a scene where he explicitly is heartbroken that "Rey dont want me". You can watch it on youtube deleted scenes
being an 80iq like many here, he thought until this point that he was the 'potential' romantic lead, eve though the setup for the trilogy is 100% cliche bang-on-the-nose romance novel plot between rey and dark prince kylo. pick up any romance novel or just twilight or beauty and the beast and start going 'oh...'
Kek im going to try to find it
post it when you do
its in here at 4m
face book /savethelastjedi/videos/tlj-all-deleted-scenes/1993695154218338/
but i remembered wrong he actually in the scene gets shown that rey DO want him (supposedly)
so he's cucked even worse in the end
Thanks
Yeah the pacing and plot felt so off
How? TROS is like one of the worst movies I've ever seen
he hates tlj because his character was separated from the 'main cast' and sent off with rose. btw that actress getting harassed on ig by 'racists' - the vast majority were boyegas fans mad at her for this
If you cut out every scene in TLJ not involving Kylo Ren, and pretend it's not a Star Wars movie, it's actually pretty watchable
He carried the entire IP for a while there. If they weren’t totally incompetent and evil people, they’d made 10-12 about him completely.