>the easiest anime to adapt into live-action as it's already written and directed like an American prestige crime thriller

>the easiest anime to adapt into live-action as it's already written and directed like an American prestige crime thriller
>they still frick it up

Amazing. All they had to do was just change the setting to America and make Light a yankee, change the Shinigami to a Christian canon and make the Death Note some kind of reverse of the book of life with Ryuk some kind of fallen angel from Hell and that's it. The rest of the show goes on as is. What was so fricking hard for these piece of shit Hollywood writers?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not only did they frick it up, they fricked it up twice. Jap live action was no better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The first two movies were good, the third was "what the frick". Can't talk about the following films as I've never seen them. Heard the TV Drama was kinda meh as well.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the easiest anime to adapt into live-action
    not remotely lol you have to represent this

    can skip that event but not the realm/shinigami in general... audience would have incredibly high expectations of the CGI due to superhero films

    TRIGUN and COWBOY BEBOP are the obvious ones that would work

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What? How are those two out there high-concept sci fi anime easier than Death Note? Insane thinking. Death Note is easy because it's written like an American drama. It is the best anime simply because it doesn't want to be one at all lol. it's directed like a movie. As I said, just change the setting, Light's ethnicity (which is funny bc he's drawn like a white man) and just change the Shinigami to Fallen Angels and that's it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with Death Note is that it's not good. So you either make an adaptation that is also not good (like the Japanese live action versions and the anime) or you try to take a wild swing and reinvent it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, I think most of the story beats are actually quite ingenious and the cat and mouse game is written pretty perfectly and it satisfied me. Where do you think the story went wrong? Until Near, I thought it was all pretty perfect.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Where do you think the story went wrong?
            From pretty much the start. Light is a terribly written idiotic shounen power fantasy, his family are all terribly written characters, Misa is the worst written character of them all, and the entire concept of L taking more than a day to nail Light is bullshit. It's bullshit designed to string the manga along, because if there's one thing Japanese authors love doing it's taking a premise that could be resolved in an afternoon and making a long running series out of it.

            Death Note is stupid. It's a stupid manga for teenagers, and that's why teenagers (and manchildren) love it. It appeals to their sensibilities. Growing up is re-reading Death Note (and a lot of popular manga to be fair, Death Note isn't the only example of this) and wondering what the frick you saw in it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are just so mad that you barely making sense, Barry.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are a joyless homosexual.
              Please anon tell us how you solve Light as Kurito within a day without meta knowledge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Please anon tell us how you solve Light as Kurito within a day
                Quickly narrow down the profile to the city, general location, get CCTV footage of all the victims and use tracking to figure out who was in their vicinity at the time. Crossrefence that with the psychological profile of K and quickly narrow it down to the chip-eating autist.

                At this point, don't do all the bullshit that anime L does. Pull out a gun like Black L. That's one of the things I like about Black L. He figures out who Light is within like 30 minutes. Because it's not a hard problem to solve and nobody in the real world gives a shit about absolute certainty. The list of people that K can be isn't large, and L shouldn't be thinking about this problem from a Japanese social status and "you can't accuse the rich kid" mindset because L isn't Japanese. This isn't Japan with its 98% conviction rates. Death Note's problem story-wise is that it is HEAVILY reliant on certain assumptions that don't actually hold up to scrutiny.

                The fact that nobody thinks Light could be Kira because he's the police chief's son isn't logic that holds up outside of the firmly hierarchical structure of Japanese society where even SUGGESTING that such a powerful and influential man's son could be a criminal is taboo. The problem is that L doesn't act like a non-Japanese person. He acts like a Japanese fictional detective would, giving proper honour and respect and playing by the unspoken cultural rules of Japanese society.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Quickly narrow down the profile to the city, general location
                Need you to go ALOT deeper into how you quickly get it to a single city anon, Japanese criminals countrywide were dying.
                >get CCTV footage of all the victims and use tracking to figure out who was in their vicinity at the time.
                So you are going to go over let's generously call it dozens of victims and find any cross links between them via the profiles of the people on the screen? CCTV doesn't magically give you the name and identification of the people on the screen.
                And you think this takes you less then a day? No shit you get to play the I'm far smarter then the problem at hand when you are applying that you already know the solution to the problem to it.

                Here let's go a different route, design and create a bridge that is indestructible to a freight line ship that has lost power, you have twenty four hours.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                L openly accuses Light to his dad's face in their first fricking meeting. I don't remember if he even asks his permission ahead of time that he's going to bug the shit out of his apartment or if he just does it and says "it happened" L gives no shits about Japanese etiquette, his issue was always purely with getting actual proof of Light being Kira. And he was so openly willing to accuse him that he 1. arrested and detained Light and his girlfriend with no actual proof for fricking weeks 2.Made himself a deadman switch that would deem Light Kira if he didn't rule him out before said death. Unless you're talking about the movies I didn't watch. L was very much not restrained to the idea of "He could be a mass murderer but I'd hate to be rude about it" like other nips would be.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://gwern.net/death-note-anonymity

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I couldn't quite word what was wrong with your post, luckily

              STOP TALKING LIKE A WOMAN AND PROVIDE ACTUAL ARGUMENTS

              and

              But why? What is so shit? Provide actual examples and arguments instead of being a fricking woman and just making statements.

              said it better than I ever could.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Death Note is super misogynistic. So saying that someone writes like a woman isn't a particularly useful criticism.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's better than most of what we've had on television for the last decade. I don't know what you are reading or watching that is so much better. Please list it, I want to laugh at you or find something good to watch/read.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >change the Shinigami to Fallen Angels
        You are an actual homosexual. Keep them Shinigami, just the white people equivalent (grim reapers)

        Also, anyone who says some horse shit about how grim reapers aren't some shit from mythology, there's only one and he's death personified, not a race, have a nice day. I don't give a shit if it actually has a presence in western mythology. All that fricking matters is that I can tell my boomer uncle 'he's a grim reaper' and it will instantly click in his mind. Effectiveness in communication is literally all that matters and thinking your 'well actually' matters instead is why the intellectual class routinely gets purged, double so when intellectuals gain frick tons of power. Stop overthinking shit nerd. I say 'grim reapers', normies say 'oh'.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just say that every interpretation of the grim reaper around the world are just humans trying to make sense of the gods of death, make ryuk go "yeah people around here calls us that, the Japs went with Shinigami isn't that crazy?" And that's it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's like 99% cinematography. The only difficult part is the shikigami and frankly that could be done practically everyone is just really caught up in trying to do them with cgi. Deathnote is just mindgames presented in the most flamboyant way possible while a ghoul watches in the background in almost total stillness. It's not that hard if you're competent.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >COWBOY BEBOP
      >would work
      only if she's cut

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kino series
    >studio dies shortly after/parasites frickup in developing it further
    Many such cases

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      could have been good if the usual painful anime tropes and shit didn't surface plus the troony storyline...god that was fricking cringe. and i hate using that zoomer word but I can't describe it any other way. it's something some deranged fricking loser would dream up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with you but I think the troony was in the VN which the anime was based off.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Such a deranged and disturbing concept.
          >le weird gay guy who le likes the mc self insert of the author who then changes into a woman to be accepted
          stuff like this is why I always thought anime should always remain something to be ridiculed but it's now mainstream. the gates are open now and zoomers are fricked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >parasites frickup
      I'm sorry, what?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The source material was nothing special though. Specially after L dies.

      Thank god. It would have never worked out as those characters only work and without feeling cringe as frick in the context of the early 2000´s Akihabara.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with this. The thing about Death Note is that of course it's not without merit. It has neat ideas. But it's not Crime and Punishment. It's a gripping thriller about murder and guilt that can be teased out into a fantastic movie. There are a lot of issues with Death Note and characteristics core to its appeal that make it different to translate.
        >It would have never worked out as those characters only work and without feeling cringe as frick in the context of the early 2000´s Akihabara.
        This, too. Hey, I really like Steins;Gate. But you compare Steins;Gate to Primer. And Primer is a film you can watch in respectable company. There is so much cringe stuff in Stein's Gate. It's the product of a very specific early 2000s Japanese subculture. Could you make a good film out of Steins;Gate? Maybe. Never say never. But would it be a film that met the fanbases' expectations? I dunno. I think a lot of what fans love about Steins;Gate are things that are not going to work in a live action film.

        And the CONCEPTS behind Stein's Gate are not that unique. You can easily make a film about time travel and John Titor and things like that without saddling yourself with the baggage of Steins;Gate.

        The same is true of Death Note. The adaptations of Death Note look down the barrel of this problem: Why not simply write a NEW story about a guy who somehow comes into possession of a way to kill people. It doesn't have to be a notebook. It could be email. A dark web site where you write someone's name and attach a picture and they die. You can easily sidestep the Death Note brand, the expectations of its fanbase, etc.

        I have a number of problems with the 2017 Death Note film. But I think that if it was just called Black Detective, White Nerd, it would be a cult classic for its stylish visuals and cool music choices and stuff. The whole thing is toxic because of this fanbase squabbling.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If it was called Black Detective, White Nerd it would never have been greenlit or received the budget it did.
          If your fricking movie actively uses it's existing fanbase as the baseline for it's existence, every live action anime is exactly this, then it's ridiculous to turn around on the fanbase for then not enjoy your adaptation.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If it was called Black Detective, White Nerd it would never have been greenlit or received the budget it did.
            Are you sure about that? Because there are a lot of movies that are adaptations of existing work but they just don't call them the same thing. Popular movies. For example the Bourne Identity films have more in common with the Jackie Chan movie Who Am I? than the original Bourne books.
            >If your fricking movie actively uses it's existing fanbase as the baseline for it's existence, every live action anime is exactly this, then it's ridiculous to turn around on the fanbase for then not enjoy your adaptation.
            What about Oldboy, though? People love Oldboy, and it pisses all over the manga. Gives absolutely zero fricks about it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The existing fanbase is not the baseline for existence. Do you really think Warner Bros cares what fans of the manga think of Edge of Tomorrow? Why not just accept that an adaptation isn't your thing? Why do people get so pissy and irate about it? Or is it changing the name that does it? They called it Edge of Tomorrow instead of All You Need is Kill. Maybe if they'd called it All You Need is Kill every thread on the movie would be crying about how they ignored pretty much everything about the Japanese original.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No they called it Live Die Repeat, which flopped. Then they released it as Edge of Tomorrow.
              Don't call something Death Note and then shit on fans of Death note for not liking it as an adaptation if it's a poor adaptation, as judged by the consuming audience.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who cares if Shrek fans don't like the Shrek movie, though. Why should we care what source material fans think?

                The best adaptations are usually the ones that throw away most of the book.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The best adaptations are usually the ones that throw away most of the book.
                Absolutely true but the vast majority of adaptations aren't the best and should then aim to at least take advantage of what they themselves put forward.
                If Death Note is being made as sellable shlock then it shouldn't shit on it's fans. For every Starship Troopers that works due to disregarding the source material you have many many many more projects that fail because the proposed scripts just weren't that good AND disregarded the source material.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >kino series
      >posts garbage

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>kino series
      dies shortly after/parasites frickup in developing it further
      >Many such cases

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >DOOD JUST MAKE A BUNCH OF POINTLESS CHANGES THAT FRICK WITH THE PLOT AND OVERCOMPLICATE THE ADAPTATION PROCESS FOR NO REASON OR BENEFIT
    Well you have the out of touch hollywood boomer exec mentality down at least... Wtf is actually wrong with muttmericans

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But the changes don't really harm or affect the meat of the story which is the cat and mouse game. They're aesthetic changes at best. Hence why i's so easy to adapt.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        by the same logic the moronic directors were thinking: "hey why don't we just make L a Black person, it probably won't affect the story much" "hey why don't we make the main character a complete homosexual, it probably won't affect the story much"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are a moron if you think just shifting the setting from Japan to the US and thus, logically, shifting the Shinigami to Grim Reapers or Fallen Angels (the equivalent in Western lore) is in the same universe as changing the race of one of the main characters. They're just trivial aesthetic changes for US audiences. 99 percent of the rest of the story/characters are identical.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i always thought the idea of having Ryuk have a human avatar like De Niro in Angel Heart and such would've been kino. you still have his obsession with apples and whatnot but you get some great character actor and it's expenetionally more kino. maybe tease his real form here and there and save the budget you could've blown on CGI.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think very slight CGI but enough to make him look uncanny (e.g. red eyes, slightly deformed face/teeth, uncanny gait) would be perfect with teases of his real form like you say

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, maybe even get Willem Dafoe back. It's so laughably fricking easy to do Death Note in live-action and make it an insane success with all audiences. Them shifting the setting to the US but still having Ryuk be called Ryuk and be a "Shinigami" was peak moronation. You need an immense actor for that role to always make you feel that he's only entertaining Light and will still kill him when he gets bored. Also, the amount of Christian imagery in Death Note makes the change of Shinigami to Fallen Angels/Grim Reapers that much more logical. The Death Note could just be a weird metaphysical manifestation the Devil cooked up to trick humans and claim their souls and trap them into his own circle of hell as they tasted the power of God and are condemned to the lowest abyss. Maybe have the Shinigami realm be Lucifer's domain in Hell. Maybe change the entirety of Near's story or better yet, end the series with Light winning but Ryuk still killing him as with Relight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Death Note could just be a weird metaphysical manifestation the Devil cooked up to trick humans and claim their souls and trap them into his own circle of hell as they tasted the power of God and are condemned to the lowest abyss. Maybe have the Shinigami realm be Lucifer's domain in Hell. Maybe change the entirety of Near's story or better yet, end the series with Light winning but Ryuk still killing him as with Relight.
          Jesus fricking Christ, you aren't allowed to post shit like this and then tell other people the Netflix version changed shit unnecessarily. What Shinigami are is fricking irrelevant tonthe god damned story. Who cares? Call them grim reapers and be done with it. You call then fallen angels and you'll mislead the audience into expecting Platinum's End shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're Satan anyways. He told me about how we could upgrade death note by cutting the filler last month. We're in hell.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dafoe was the perfect casting for Ryuk. Squandered.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This may sound out there but I actually thought Michael Shannon would be a better Ryuk. i don't know, it just fits to me.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure he could work, I mean anyone with enough finesse can make something work I guess.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OP you're right about the fact that the potential is there for a great live action adaptation of death note and that it still hasn't been achieved, but all your ideas for changes are terrible

          >Michael Shannon
          Good fricking choice anon

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't watch asiaticshit I hate their moms

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>the easiest anime to adapt into live-action as it's already written and directed like an American prestige crime thriller
    Not really. The problem with Death Note is that the story is shit and the characters are shit and its fanbase thinks it's deep because they were 12 when they read it.

    Adam Wingard, bless him, was given a poisoned chalice. Dogshit source material with a fanbase that thinks it's gold. So much of the hate for his version, for all its issues, is not really about his version. It's about source material fans seething that he didn't "respect" their beloved dogshit source material and its idiotic "thrilling cat and mouse game" between an autistic moron and a high schooler.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine writing this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine not agreeing with it. You think you know how shit anime writing can be. Then you watch Death Note, and your eyes are opened to unfathomable depths of garbage.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can you explain how it is shit, in your opinion?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But why? What is so shit? Provide actual examples and arguments instead of being a fricking woman and just making statements.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can you explain how it is shit, in your opinion?

            >But why? What is so shit?
            >Bad writing.
            >Bad characters.
            >An incredibly stupid cat and mouse game.
            Basically, nothing about Death Note is good. The whole story concept and characters and the plotline are terrible. But they're terrible in a way teenagers dig, like the Twilight books.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              STOP TALKING LIKE A WOMAN AND PROVIDE ACTUAL ARGUMENTS

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Please stop, you have no argument.

              Throwing shit at everything is not an argument.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's the argument for Death Note being good, though? "I liked it" isn't an argument. When I hear people talk about Death Note being well written, it's like hearing a Metal Gear Solid fan try to argue that Metal Gear Solid has great writing and characters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with Death Note is that it's not good. So you either make an adaptation that is also not good (like the Japanese live action versions and the anime) or you try to take a wild swing and reinvent it.

      Seethe more moron.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The American race has not produced anything a third as good as Death Note since 2014. Frick, even Attack on Titan is better than anything Hollywood had made in a decade +.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Edge of Tomorrow is far more interesting than Attack on Titan, and apparently Warner Bros want Tom Cruise to make a sequel.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ewan Mitchell would be a great L as he's British and his Saltburn role shows he could do autistic wienery genius and not come off as cringe.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Snood as Misa.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They need to get David Fincher or Denis Villeneuve to do an adaptation. That or a video game, I think Hitman still has a lot of potential and the directors have just been hacks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You definitely don't need those try hard gays. Just get a decent enough director with a good script that just copies the anime's story and condesces it like Relight and just changes Light to American and the Shinigami to Satan's cronies and that's fricking it. it's child's play.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those ARE "decent enough directors". I wouldn't call them tryhard by any means lol those are two mainstream directors who have made their bones by adapting things.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's insane, thinking they'd ever touch an anime adaptation though.

          >Where do you think the story went wrong?
          From pretty much the start. Light is a terribly written idiotic shounen power fantasy, his family are all terribly written characters, Misa is the worst written character of them all, and the entire concept of L taking more than a day to nail Light is bullshit. It's bullshit designed to string the manga along, because if there's one thing Japanese authors love doing it's taking a premise that could be resolved in an afternoon and making a long running series out of it.

          Death Note is stupid. It's a stupid manga for teenagers, and that's why teenagers (and manchildren) love it. It appeals to their sensibilities. Growing up is re-reading Death Note (and a lot of popular manga to be fair, Death Note isn't the only example of this) and wondering what the frick you saw in it.

          You are an actual woman or troony. You didn't answer or provide any actual argument. You just called everything stupid and terrible without ACTUALLY elaborating on WHY. You're a deeply unwell person.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You didn't answer or provide any actual argument.
            The actual argument is that the cat and mouse game is stupid because if L wasn't a moron he'd arrest Light in an afternoon. Also, Misa is cringe. Look, you like Death Note because you were a child when you read/saw it. That doesn't make it good.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are legitimately insane and coping because you were once a huge weeb and are now trying to sever ties with it and it's embarassing.

              OP you're right about the fact that the potential is there for a great live action adaptation of death note and that it still hasn't been achieved, but all your ideas for changes are terrible

              >Michael Shannon
              Good fricking choice anon

              >but all your ideas for changes are terrible
              But why? They're bare minimum aesthetic changes. Death Note is already rife with Christian symbolism so it only makes sense to change Ryuk into some kind of fallen biblical angel and the Death Note into some kind of ploy by Satan to trick humans. What's so wrong with that idea?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                none of those changes are necessary as there was nothing wrong with those aspects of the series and they make it uniquely japanese, I don't see the value in stripping that away and americanising it. either let the japanese make it or do the research to make it authentic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They made multiple Japanese Death Note films and they all sucked. The uniquely Japanese thing is tough. Oldboy was uniquely Japanese, but the Korean version everyone loves stripped away everything Japanese about it, and then changed almost the entire story.

                I do wonder about Death Note vs Oldboy in this context. Would people accept an Oldboy-style adaptation of Death Note that just ignores the manga completely?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've only seen the korean oldboy lol. the japanese death note movies sucked yes. it needs to be an 8-12 hour limited series, there's no point in trying to condense the story into a movie imo.

                in terms of changes I would like to see an expanded role in the story for naomi misora. if you were only doing the 1st arc she could even take on a role similar to near. if the 2nd arc was adapted they would need to try and get the characters off their comptuers more and have more scenes with near and mello interacting

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol if they did a series they should just save themselves the embarassment and backlash and just end it with Light winning and still being killed by Ryuk. it's the best ending.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They would if the concept was good enough but then again what else is there to do beyond a battle of wits?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, why do you think Misa was changed to Mia in the Adam Wingard version? Because outside Japan, the whole idol culture thing is apocalyptically cringe. The whole Light character is also really cringe outside of Japan and weebs. This whole top performing student that spends all his time in his room studying is a Japanese stereotype that doesn't translate outside of Japan.

                That's one of the issues with the Death Note franchise attempting to relocate outside Japan. So much of the property is built on Japanese cultural sensibilities particularly around youth and one's role in society that is imposed upon you. To a degree, Death Note is a product of a culture where the idea of putting on a mask and being a vigilante killing criminals isn't as much of a thing. The idea of having a death notebook to punish criminals is inherently more of a Japanese idea of vigilante behavior taken to its extreme.

                In that light, it's worth noting that when Adam Wingard made his version of Death Note he filtered it through the prism of Final Destination. That's why all the deaths in his version of Death Note are multistage "car crashes, ladder flies off, beheads a guy" kinda things. Because that cultural context is more familiar to an American writer/director.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because outside Japan, the whole idol culture thing is apocalyptically cringe
                is it though? Taylor Swift proves otherwise. America is just as bad
                >That's one of the issues with the Death Note franchise attempting to relocate outside Japan. So much of the property is built on Japanese cultural sensibilities particularly around youth and one's role in society that is imposed upon you. To a degree, Death Note is a product of a culture where the idea of putting on a mask and being a vigilante killing criminals isn't as much of a thing. The idea of having a death notebook to punish criminals is inherently more of a Japanese idea of vigilante behavior taken to its extreme.
                All fair points but the fact is the vast majority of people don't think of it like this so it wouldn't matter. Just being pragmatic here.
                >In that light, it's worth noting that when Adam Wingard made his version of Death Note he filtered it through the prism of Final Destination. That's why all the deaths in his version of Death Note are multistage "car crashes, ladder flies off, beheads a guy" kinda things. Because that cultural context is more familiar to an American writer/director.
                America's history with religion/punishment and especially Catholicism and the rampant crime and degeneracy in a country like America would be a good substitute for that context. There is context there to be found. There's plenty of movies with Light-like characters and such people do exist in America. I think you have some fair points to your ideas about how DN is uniquely Japanese but that you might also be overstating them a bit. I feel like if you keep the cat and mouse game, insert that American cultural context which is similar enough then you have a great show. Look at Edge of Tomorrow. it took the original and repurposed it instead of adaptating it straight without losing the essence. it's why that OP live action show was the worst thing to ever be produced.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >top performing student that spends all his time in his room studying is a Japanese stereotype that doesn't translate outside of Japan.
                Are you seriously trying to argue that "guy with top grades spends all of his time studying" is a Japanese-exclusive stereotype?

                What the actual frick is wrong with you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The way it's presented in Death Note is absolutely a Japanese idea. For a start, a top performing student outside Japan would be spending his time in study groups, networking. Light's life, his family, etc. are all very distinctly Japanese. The way he lives his double life is very Japanese. And that's not inherently a criticism given he is a Japanese character in Japan. But so much of the plot falls apart when you remove it from that context.

                All the academic activities Light takes part are distinctly Japanese. Remember the scene in the manga where Light attends the school dance and they play INXS? Of course you don't. Because that's not a thing that would ever happen in a Japanese high school.

                It's sort of like how pretty much all the nonsense that happens in the Persona games completely falls apart if you relocate the story outside Japan. That's not how teens live their lives. That's a very specifically Japanese way of living your life.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's still very moronic but in america being an honor student isn't as respected in society, one of the main appeals of death note is seeing what should be the pinnacle of society (a young, intelligent, handsome, charismatic man from a well off family that will follow his father's footsteps to become a respected member of his community) reveal himself to be a narcissistic mass murdering maniac, those values aren't as appreciated in the us, to the average American a parent saying their son is an honor student would come off as something mundane or preachy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You put it way simpler than I did, anon. Basically, the mask that Light hides behind is that he's a perfect student and his father is a highly respected, highly ranked police officer.

                In Japan, if such a person were accused of being a rapist or a murderer, there would be HUGE resistance to leveling accusations against them because of their social status. In Japan, a lot of rape goes unreported because if you accuse someone who is higher up in society there is a very good chance you'll end up having to apologize to them.

                But outside Japan, who gives a shit if Light is has a flawless GPA and his father is a cop? We don't trust or respect police officers, so why would we give a shit about their sons? The whole social dynamic that drives Death Note doesn't quite work.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The insane fixation on top grades is not really found outside of Asian countries. That underpinning dynamic where he has top grades and everyone respects him because of that isn't really a dynamic that translates outside of a culture where people kill themselves due to the pressure of needing to academically excel.

                It's like how Misa's character and the entirety of her being don't translate outside of a Japanese context. Her entire personality, manner of speech, lifestyle, etc. is a bizarre Japanese cultural artifact that does not translate to any other country. The Japanese live action versions translate her into a more subdued take on idol culture, but outside Japan, idol culture is seen as fricking insane. It's not something you can just put in a movie.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please fricking stop.

      No Hollywood directors can direct anime kino.

      They lack the SOVL.

      Denis the Hack has proven with the atrocious adaptations of Dune.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I recently got this whole set which looks really nice on my shelf but I’ve never read the manga. I really want to rewatch the anime as well, it’s been years

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Taking for granted that most popular manga have dogshit writing, the fans of said manga are just gonna argue that the dogshit writing is the core appeal and you just don't get it. Then they wonder why professional screenwriters outside Japan are like, "Okaaaay. This is a problem."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You seem to have some problems, time to let it out, bud.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >professional screenwriters outside Japan

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Season 2 of this show was so moronicly bad that overall the series is a 5/10 at best
    >Mexican cartels had a space ship in a hidden bunker

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think you've seen a single american prestige crime thriller.
    The protagonists aren't genius high IQ middle schoolers who comically one-up each other, repeatedly, because their IQ's are so high.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >change the Shinigami to a Christian canon
    There is actually nothing called "Shinigami" in Japanese mythology. It's just a word for a personification of death like "grim reaper" in English, and moronic weebs leave it untranslated just because.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every fricking LA adaption of DN has been shit.

    First off, L isn't handsome. He's a malnourished incel autist with eyebags. He's not a goddamn fricking J-pop idol. The fanservice shit seems inescapable.
    Second, Light is a sociopath with no regard for anything -- he doesn't feel fricking emotions until he's dying. He just wants to justify his lust for using the notebook. He doesn't need a reason to be how he is, he just is.
    Third, Misa Amane is a moron with dependency issues.

    There has never been an adaption of the anime/manga that captured this.

    The worst adaption is probably the one where Near was a handpuppet. L keeps talking his shirt off and Light is ugly as frick.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      japanese cant act
      just accept it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That one girl expressed attraction to L when he was pretending to be a student
      https://deathnote.fandom.com/wiki/Kyoko

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the easiest anime to adapt into live-action
    Enter:

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did they just rename Bastard or are there many many many animes that look the same?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ?
        I have no idea what you are talking about, Monster is older and looks nothing like that show.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          my mistake, its not older I was looking at the recent series. but they still have completely different art styles.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Happens to be what I'm reading, and that the style of your pic made me think it looked like a redesign.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget the DEI, and my nephew really likes those Final Destination movies, why don't we make it like that?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real appeal of death note isn't the 999iq moves really, I rewatched the show after years and while it was still really fun the actual kino was seeing that last episode with light being completely humiliated and losing his shit in front of everyone. The biggest problem the Netflix live action had was being too afraid of letting light be a deranged madman like in the original

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really don't think that character plays well in live action, which of course raises the question of whether some stories are just pointless to try to do in live action.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You would need a very good actor for the job but it would be hard to portray someone like light, inner monologues are tricky to execute well in live action and almost all of the memorable character moments light has are just him overthinking. One of the best moments of the show no one talks about is when mikami starts acting more independently and send a message to the press saying that kira will start killing people for being lazy and light's immediate reaction is thinking to himself "they're not ready for that yet you're going too fast", moments like that are what really sells him as a lunatic with a god complex

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess the archetype that Light is supposed to represent isn't as prevalent in Western media, but I think you could make the character work if you lean into the idea of "genius who justifies his ego by insisting he's doing it for the greater good". Obviously it's not one-for-one, but I've always felt like Walter White and Light have similar characterizations, so Americans can at least get behind something similar.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing with Walter is that his change is much more gradual while light was always someone who believed himself to be superior to everyone else and instantly started becoming unhinged after getting unlimited power, Walter was always also an insecure egotistical bastard but american audiences always want to see the protagonist as a hero, that's why you get people siding with Walter all the way or just turning against him when the show basically forces them to towards the end, light starts torturing and taunting innocent people for no reason other than to stroke his ego like 4 episodes in and no American producer wants to make a show with an irredeemable monster as the only focal point

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly that's one of the weaker points of Death Note. Light going mad with power within the span of one or two episodes ruins what could be good characterization and implications of the evil of the Death Note. I think in any adaptation
            a more gradual build up would make for a more compelling story.

            I mean, you can draw some parallels between White and Light, but I guess the biggest distinction is that White isn't written as a (and I don't say this necessarily disparagingly) kinda Mary Sue who is perfect at everything. Light has flawless grades, is perfect at tennis, his plans are all super awesome and work. Wheras Walter White is presented as a far more human figure. He has cancer. He is feeble. He boils into this complex emotions of greed and sympathy. He lusts for power, but he also does genuinely care about his son and despite his problems he does love Skylar. With Death Note, I think Light's motivations are tricky. I've always thought it was a huge red flag that a lot of kids who saw Death Note viewed L as the villain and Light as the hero, because that requires a baffling level of incomprehension.

            Yeah, again, not one-for-one, but the idea of a protagonist that you (should be) rooting against isn't completely foreign to Western audiences. You have something useable if you take the angle of "valedictorian who thinks he knows best for everyone".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I hard disagree, right at the beginning there is a very clear parallel between light and ryuk with both of them being terribly bored of the world they live in, light already though of himself as superior to the rest of humanity and saw the world as rotten before getting the death note, all those things put together make him deciding to start mass killing criminals completely reasonable and having a story with what would normally be seen as a irredeemable villain anywhere else as your protagonist is just really interesting

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly, the way Light views the world is very reminiscent of a Resident Evil villain, and it feels like a very Japanese story trope where the character is like "I'm going to become a god!" Then they die a b***h. Not hating on Japanese story tropes, but it's something I do notice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly something I see a lot in japanese writing is humans trying to go beyond their natural limits and being punished for it, I guess their collectivist worldview puts emphasis on knowing when to stay on your lane and recognizing your limits as a mortal regular human being

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but this actually fits the narrative of the Cyberpunk anime.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can have those aspects of the characters present without dialing it to 100 so quickly. I'm pretty sure in episode 1 or 2 he's already declaring himself as "God of the new world" or something, and that L challenging himself is a sleight at Kira's power. Having him kill criminals immediately makes sense, but having him so transparently have a god complex about it within 20 minutes is too soon.
                Again, going back to the Breaking Bad analogy. Revealing that a character always had these qualities but had enough sense to not outright admit it at first makes for a more engaging arc and also gives the audience the chance to look at earlier episodes through a new perspective.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, you can draw some parallels between White and Light, but I guess the biggest distinction is that White isn't written as a (and I don't say this necessarily disparagingly) kinda Mary Sue who is perfect at everything. Light has flawless grades, is perfect at tennis, his plans are all super awesome and work. Wheras Walter White is presented as a far more human figure. He has cancer. He is feeble. He boils into this complex emotions of greed and sympathy. He lusts for power, but he also does genuinely care about his son and despite his problems he does love Skylar. With Death Note, I think Light's motivations are tricky. I've always thought it was a huge red flag that a lot of kids who saw Death Note viewed L as the villain and Light as the hero, because that requires a baffling level of incomprehension.

            I personally think that one problem is that Death Note kinda wants to be this tragedy of a person who gained power and lost their way. I'm not entirely sure that, re-reading the manga, the authors actually remembered the earlier chapters. You get this a lot with manga that run for a few years where it feels like they kinda forget the point they were trying to make, then hastily backtrack later on.

            Light is a prick. He has no value to society, he is arrogant, and basically the average criminal probably contributes more to society in a positive way than him. So is Light an anti-hero or a villain or did the writers kinda just get too pre-occupied with the Death Note gimmick and Light's 300 point IQ?

            I think the author pointed out once that L is the smartest character in the series because the plot needs him to be. And this is really the central weakness of the battle of wits and wills. It's not very organic. There's a story writing problem that is common in manga where events in the plot just happen because they're required to happen, not because they feel like organic proceedings of the characters, their motivations, and their goals. And part of that issue is actually in the fact L locates Light so quickly. It's the problem Monster has. I re-read Monster and the author's other books like Billy Bat. And I noticed how CONTRIVED the books are. You know that half-Japanese guy? He's going to bump into the ONE GERMAN DETECTIVE IN ALL OF FRICKING GERMANY who is on this case. Hitler and Einstein are gonna choose the same park bench to sit on. Why? Who needs logic or why.

            Is it kinda like how the Aliens always land in America? Yea... But it's way more extreme. A lot of the stuff that happens in stories like this is a series of glaring coincidences that get more and more fanciful over time.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think there is a tragedy is seeing someone as promising as light go out the way he did, sure he was extremely narcissistic and egotistical since the beginning but honestly he had reason to be, in another world he would have ended up as a world class criminologist with a happy life but instead became the worst mass murderer in history, I honestly can't choose which ending is better between the manga or the anime, in the manga he dies without any kind of sympathy in a pool of his own blood begging and crying like a b***h while in the anime you get this long quiet sequence of him just running past his old self as he cries and dies relatively peacefully alone, one focuses on him getting what he deserves for all the evil he committed while the other focuses on how sad it is that he ended up like this

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, you can draw some parallels between White and Light, but I guess the biggest distinction is that White isn't written as a (and I don't say this necessarily disparagingly) kinda Mary Sue who is perfect at everything. Light has flawless grades, is perfect at tennis, his plans are all super awesome and work. Wheras Walter White is presented as a far more human figure. He has cancer. He is feeble. He boils into this complex emotions of greed and sympathy. He lusts for power, but he also does genuinely care about his son and despite his problems he does love Skylar. With Death Note, I think Light's motivations are tricky. I've always thought it was a huge red flag that a lot of kids who saw Death Note viewed L as the villain and Light as the hero, because that requires a baffling level of incomprehension.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What makes it even more hilarious is how an anime is whimsical as one piece got one of the greatest live action adaptions.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think you'd want to set it in Italy instead, or another place that has (1) a strong cultural suspicion of strangers, which America doesn't, and (2) high rates of superstition, which America doesn't. These two points are fairly essential to Death Note's plot and work in Japan, but not in America. (Italy would also let you lean more into reskinning the Japanese mythology into Catholicism, given the prevalence of Latin and the like there.)

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Counter-offer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DEVOUR CASHEWS

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, there’s loads of stupid anime shit that would baffle and alienate normal viewers, like the girl being put in some fetish chair for like 3 episodes end on end. also you don’t need to change the supernatural elements to Christian, since I feel like supernatural elements are self explanatory- you say what their goals and rules are and don’t need to elaborate more because it’s magical, people will accept the premises of it

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One of the coolest things about death note that an American adaptation would most certainly frick up is ryuk, in the Netflix movie they tried their hardest to make him seen evil and untrustworthy while in the original he has no hidden motives or intentions, he just shows up, says he's doing this because he's bored and wants some entertainment and just stays for the ride while it's light that does everything out of his own will

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The live action Death Note movies keep introducing female Shinigami but are too scared to make them overtly lesbian. In fact, the fact Rem is very blatantly in love with Misa is something that I feel like Death Note isn't willing to acknowledge. (Honestly, the whole plan to manipulate Rem into killing is so dumb.)

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ghost in the Shell should've been easy to adapt especially since they were already half way there with the aesthetics & they even made her look naked for most of the movie. Just make a Tom Clancy Blade Runner flick. Scarjo really did look like Motoko & Motoko's body is meant to be a popular but common Eastern European model.

    What screwed up the movie aside for the shitty action (since Scarjo still doesn't know how to hold a gun.) was the writing. They completely misunderstood GIT's philosophy. GITS was never about how your actions decide how human you are. GIT's philosophy has always been about how there's more to this world than just the material world, and that The All, is consciousness. The actual politics in the movie also sucked. Just a random evil corporation when in the actual GITS setting, damn near every single government is a tech-surveillance dystopia in an attempt to keep corporations in check. The movie had a PG 13 rating though so I can see why they had to tame down the politics since GITS usually goes so hardcore with the politics that it calls for violence that'd require a R rating. It's not like you can make a Pg 13 movie that ends like 2nd gig where you see two dystopian governments (US Empire & Japan) just straight up murdering people that they labeled as terrorists, all because they committed the crime of being too individualist. I'm in awe to this day at some of the end dialogue of 2nd gig because it perfectly describes life in the 2020s.
    I forgot the specific quote but GITS was commenting on the sloven complacency of Japanese capitalist consumerism. Although GITS was talking about Japan, in 2020s that sounds way more like the USA where consumerist brand recognition has replaced religions & traditions. People would rather trade freedoms for security.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ah it's so simple and formulaic with literal autists like you.

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