None of the stuff they said “maybe in S3” is something set up by S2 nor something you’d care about if they hadn’t mention it on twitter.
But let two old men live rent free in your mind, that’ll show them.
These lists aren't always a good barometer for a show's health, because they are ranked by cumulative minutes. We don't know what portion of those minutes came from older episodes.
Molly McGee has had a full 1st season. If it's only marginally beating Hailey's On It and Kiff, that might not be good enough, especially if it's more expensive to produce than those two.
Alt Right, prepper, doomer, israeli GF is still best girl. Let's hope they don't FRICK HER SHIT UP in the very end like making her MtF like Andrea's hambeast .
she's already out of scale. they should have either made her head bigger or scaled her up until her head matches, and just let her be that one awkward gangly girl in the grade that we all knew.
Lmao why jackass. Do you think people are obligated to support you and other people in today's animation? Explain where this obligation comes from besides your loud mouth
When they do things like pander to that lgbtq stuff, they don't give a damn about anybody who doesn't support it, and so should expect no support whatsoever in return.
Have you sent any more emails to industry artists guy?
It's a drug. They see a pretty white person, and they feel an instinctive need to make them some sort of marginalized group in some fashion, so they can feel good about liking them.
Rather take dykes than the trannies that we're going to be getting in like 5-10 years time:
You KNOW that the Anons here will be b***hing about that when it does happen!
your pic is a great example
andrea hugs, pinches, and brushes up against molly CONSTANTLY, like no other character
whether the writers intended it or not, they created a lot of intimacy between the two characters.
It's the best animated show on Disney Channel (as in it actually has good animation and isn't stiff and cheap looking like the rest of them)
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I always find these sort of threads a great way to see what fandoms are trend setters and what fandoms are parasites.
Damn. Pic related aged very, VERY poorly.
nta but >autism rep character that has added nothing to the show and has been a sneakily insulting depiction >Thai heritage episode, that had more to do with Molly being ashamed of her whiteness than celebrating that she has two cultures to look back on >gay ghost couple featuring a beefcake meathead who threatened a child character that was on the fence about ghosts in a homolust rage moment >green energy shilling episode >Andrea gets paired off with a landwhale self-insert of the episode director's xirlfriend
Creator here confirming shit is dying
Keep supporting the mouse
Awww look at you! Great effort, you lot - better luck next time~
It's a product of the American show production model; execs and others will push back against explicitly showing gays while the show is still looking for more seasons. Those ideas aren't brought up to execs because they're risk averse. When a show is ending, it's too late to bring up anxieties about consequences because there's no show to cancel, there's no where further those relationships will be shown as going, no date night episode or character mentioning them as a couple.
Also these shows end on notes of closure for characters with last minute developments to show how the status quo is changing at the end.
It is. Andrea's girlfriend is blatantly based on the episode's writer's girlfriend.
https://twitter.com/SammieCrowley/status/1687942841950187520
https://twitter.com/SamanthaCKing/status/1686535977593077762
https://twitter.com/MariaMondloch/media
Spoiler because she's ugly.
Look, you can love your own body as much as you want because at the end of the day you are stuck inside it, but why the hell would you wear a top like that if you dont have the rack for it? Thats just plain bad taste, looks like shit.
Wasnt there someone from the S4 threads for Star Vs who looked into the creative decision behind bringing Jackie back randomly and with no follow up of any description being Sabrina went and "soul searched" on a vacation to Paris
first season was a refreshingly cute and wholesome show about funny, quirky people with really solid characterization, which didn't force a bunch of lore or temporary character development in your face.
but of course that didn't get to last.
i mean we know why.
some people think they know why, but have it backwards. because those people have switched around who's on what side, in the minds of the gullible.
>refreshingly cute
Except every character was ugly
not by modern western cartoon standards. they are mostly just okay.
>lore
Not in S2 either >temporary character development
You don’t even know what that means do you
what i mean is, they didn't have like "the 8th episode so far where Scratch learns to be a little nicer but by the next episode he's back to normal" kinda shit. they embraced him just being a curmudgeon, and veeeery slowly warmed him up to friendship.
This was the Ep where Scratch got angry at Molly and told her that she would be the worst scarer in both the human realm and the ghost realm and Molly wanted to prove him wrong.
Bullshit. That show Flanderized every character until the whole Watterson family was indistinguishable from each other, and relied on memes and references as a crutch in the later seasons. By the time the last season hit it completely lost the plot, whike also forcing stupid lore shit.
>That show Flanderized every character until the whole Watterson family was indistinguishable from each other
It's the opposite, Darwin and Gumball had identical personalities at first but Gumball slowly turned into a smartass douchebag while Darwin turned into a naive saint.
>Gumball was a hit on CN
so 1/10th the viewership reach of a Disney show
Gumball is 10x more popular and successful than any DVTA show ever will be. Why would a show get 7 seasons, a movie, and a reboot if it wasn't successful? If you spend more 10 minutes on any social media website you're bound to see at least one gumball. Molly on the other hand got canned after 2 seasons and gets barely talked about online. These shows are not comparable.
Anon, even now - years into hiatus before S7 - Gumball content attracts millions. This cannot be said for Molly during her active run, much less after its last episode airs.
>season 1: molly kills the big bad ghost world boss with the power of kindness, scratch becomes the new chairman, everything you would expect from a series finale >season 2: unnecessary new characters introduced and this time the series ends with jinx trying to take over the human world which feels even more anti-climatic than last season's ending
did Molly really need a second season?
It felt like it didn't. Billy Bob fricked over the semi-lore plots from the get go. I mean the S1 finale ended anticlimactically with Chairman killed off too easily and whatever goes inside of the Flow of Failed Phantoms got thrown out the window too quickly. It was pretty much the sign that the show should've ended right there before we knew it went to complete shit.
disagree with the s1 finale being a dead end, a simple way to improve s2 was to use other characters like Andrea and Libby and the other residents more but that seems far from what we're getting
This show was already doomed long before that. Olly is boring and unironically contributes nothing of real value to this show.
Andrea was this show's selling point but it was clear from the beginning that Bill and Bob could not figure out why. See Andrea couldnt just be some bratty rich girl who acts cute all the time apparently that's not a selling point to people
Which is hilarious to hear this because the opposite is always true. The people who complain the most in characters needing nuance are the ones who want them to be more one dimensional but in a worse way
>give the MC a love interest that barely exists show-wise >make the lesbian couple ugly
Amphibia and Owl House avoided this and got a third season, let this be a lesson for you
The confirmed lesbians that the fanbase ignored because they only watched the show to see three 13 year old girls get together. Seriously, good luck find art of them.
The confirmed lesbians that the fanbase ignored because they only watched the show to see three 13 year old girls get together. Seriously, good luck find art of them.
They're completely forgettable because they did nothing and were obviously added became some Joker really wanted to add his gay OCs to the cartoon.
I was really surprised when the writers didn't even realize they could have these two help Terry build the portal machine. Her needing some extra hands to help makes perfect sense.
Yeah that's the thing about season 3 Amphibia, there are many obvious things you can do to make these characters relevant but they decide frick let's not bother.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Baily fricked up by impaling Marcy and Disney clamped down. The show as it was intended to be was more or less cancelled and they could only frick around instead. That's why the quadruple-length climax is nothing but "cool moments" and they did something as weird and unfitting as kill Anne and replace her with a clone as a petty way of getting something past the censors.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not cancelled but simply transferred over to Marcy's Journal, where the section that covers 3A is filled with angsty melodrama that people were craving.
>Character that was retconned into NB in a Book >Gay couple reduced into friends in second-to last episode >Sasha was retconned into Bi due to her VA's nepotism
Except Amphibia ended it's third season in full, whereas TOH's third season was slashed into 44 minutes specials (possibly equivalent to 6 22 minute episodes)
Why does Andrea do anything. Do Bill and Bob understand what the word "nuanced" means or are they just making up bullshit and just copying the character tropes of other established characters like Pacifica and Amity but making it worse
Looking back on it...pairing her with Molly wouldnt have been the worst thing in the world. Molly could have shown Andrea adventure.
The more I think of it, the more I believe Andrea was shafted for Ollie. I mean they're both tubers with negative experiences with ghosts. If it weren't for Ollie's family (who are MIA now by the way), Andrea could've just taken his place, and she should have since she's a much better character.
9 months ago
Anonymous
OH WAIT
ANDREA STILL DOESNT KNOW SCRATCH EXISTS DESPITE THE FACT THEY MADE A BIG FRICKING DEAL HOW MOLLY AND ANDREA ARE "KINDA BUT NOT REALLY" FRIENDS.
Redeeming Andrea was a mistake. On paper this seems so easy. The whole point of Molly's character is that she means well but gives objectively bad advice. All they had to do was start the break apart between Andrea and her dad and Molly deciding to do something completely stupid gives Andrea some advice that she completely twists to the point where Andrea and her father improve upon their relationship but the stronger this relationship gets the worse the town gets because now Andrea went from being committed to "Davenports" out of "Inheritance" to "obligation"
IE basically doing the Pacifica bit but backwards and more of a gag.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There was a massive rewrite and tonal shift in between season 1 and 2, to the point where large swathes of season 1 feel like they were retconned or trivialized.
It looked like over the course of season 1, they were building towards making Molly/Andrea/Libby the "good" calamity trio. At some point Andrea learning about ghosts would be a given since she'd seen Scratch before. We'd even get cool Wraith forms for each... Libby and Andrea's silhouettes were literally made to be ghosts.
But no, you're right... someone panicked, balked, saw those juicy Miraculous numbers and thought they could be mimicked by tossing in a straight ship (really it's the neverending love triangle that is the trick). Either way, the result was that Libby and Andrea were cast aside for an extremely poorly written ghost world plot.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I would like to remind everyone that the Candy Bar Charity Episode was numerically suppose to air way earlier in Season 1 and the Ep where we meet Andrea's dad during the Christmas Ep was (according to the production codes) suppose to be the 2nd instance Molly meets Andrea's dad.
For god knows why in between the TWO HIATUSES that happened during season 1, The Candy Ep got shafted LATER down the development loop and frick me looking back on it, its very obvious someone in management shat themselves thinking there was another Lumity situation happening because the fans were already shipping Molly and Andrea together.
I was convinced they wanted to pair Libby with Molly because Libby took me as the kind of person who liked Molly way more then just a friend and you can feel those undertones during the reveal where Scratch reveals himself to Libby and that whole argument the 3 of them had.
With Andrea the friendship just feels forced. At worse she is diet Pacifica.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think Andrea is "forced", but I agree, some aspects of her redemption were handled poorly. She started off way too strong in the pilot and never really "answered" for that. A way I'd have fixed it is, Scratch doesn't possess Andrea in the end, but Andrea thinks Molly saved her from a ghost assailiant and forgives both her and Libby (At Molly's request... it made no sense why Scratch requed it other than le funnay gaggerino) but is still a little wary of Molly.
The nugent episode could've used some tweaks too (I agree with the anon that said, Maxwell wasn't really being THAT much of a dick to Andrea, he was just working the crowd) but I don't necessarily disagree with them using Andrea to save Molly's house with her influence. Gradually, over the course of the series, Andrea warms up to Molly quicker than the other way around, but by the period episode, the friendship trio should've firmly been established.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You knew something was wrong when throughout all of S1 when Libby elaborated in countless details and instances where her friendship with Andrea fell to pieces yet despite this, Molly, being clueless, invited Andrea to Libby's Bar Mitzvah yet at the same time wasnt one of the people who showed up at Libby's Bookstore when the whole town lost power during the snow storm
Bill and Bob do not know what the frick the word "nuance" means the same way Dana once described Belos's character as "Morally complicated" despite literally firebombing an entire community and then gaslighting them and telling them "Wild magic did this."
What the frick are they teaching at Cal-Arts because Ethics is not it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>extremely poorly written ghost world plot
The ghost world seems to exist just to give Scratch something to do without Molly because somehow they can't write enough episodes where the pair has to deal with ghosts together.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Again, S2 is proof this whole series should have just been called "The Adventures of Molly McGee."
You didnt need Ghosts to sell this series. All you had to do was make Scratch a mental manifestation of Molly's insecurities which plays to her character of "always looking at the bright side."
Scratch didnt need to be a ghost more like a less then subtle metaphor of Molly not having the real confidence in herself to connect to people. Think like Western WataMote
9 months ago
Anonymous
I would like to remind everyone that the Candy Bar Charity Episode was numerically suppose to air way earlier in Season 1 and the Ep where we meet Andrea's dad during the Christmas Ep was (according to the production codes) suppose to be the 2nd instance Molly meets Andrea's dad.
For god knows why in between the TWO HIATUSES that happened during season 1, The Candy Ep got shafted LATER down the development loop and frick me looking back on it, its very obvious someone in management shat themselves thinking there was another Lumity situation happening because the fans were already shipping Molly and Andrea together.
I was convinced they wanted to pair Libby with Molly because Libby took me as the kind of person who liked Molly way more then just a friend and you can feel those undertones during the reveal where Scratch reveals himself to Libby and that whole argument the 3 of them had.
With Andrea the friendship just feels forced. At worse she is diet Pacifica.
TGAMM should have been a cute little dramedy about three young girls and a grumpy ghost exploring the fun ghost of the week vignettes in their shitty home town while trying to make it better. What we ultimately got reeks of wasted potential
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'd expand upon this better and make the Davenports of this series similar to the Dinklebergs in Fairly Odd Parents where Molly's dad clearly despises Andrea's dad but Andrea's dad despite being a rich butthole actually kind of likes having water cooler conversations with Molly's dad and even considers the two of them "more then just boss and co-worker."
Also ffs give Andrea's Mom something to do.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You knew something was wrong when throughout all of S1 when Libby elaborated in countless details and instances where her friendship with Andrea fell to pieces yet despite this, Molly, being clueless, invited Andrea to Libby's Bar Mitzvah yet at the same time wasnt one of the people who showed up at Libby's Bookstore when the whole town lost power during the snow storm
Bill and Bob do not know what the frick the word "nuance" means the same way Dana once described Belos's character as "Morally complicated" despite literally firebombing an entire community and then gaslighting them and telling them "Wild magic did this."
What the frick are they teaching at Cal-Arts because Ethics is not it.
It's bizarre they didn't take that direction, a show like that could be kept going for two or more seasons without changing the basic episode formula.
Let me rewrite the series. Consider this a rough pitch.
The Ghost and Molly McGee is a dramedy about spreading happiness towards a run-down town. S1 explores the first adventures between Molly and Scratch, later joined by Libby mid-season. S2 follows the gang who have a new member join them in their pursuit, Andrea. We start the second season with an episode about Molly introducing Scratch to Andrea as we get more insight into the corporate nature of the Davenport family; her dad sees Molly's dad in the vein of something like this while her mom is retired technology developer who ended up teaching Andrea coding skills. This is followed up by a double length episode dedicated to the friendship Libby and Andrea had during their youth and their falling out, leading to their first sleepover. Ollie is still present, but he's introduced as Molly's opposite instead. If Molly spreads happiness, then Ollie spreads misery. The series explores the themes of looking at the bright side of humanity even shit is terrible. Misery will never go away and bad things will always happen, but each of our three main girls learn to accept it. Scratch has to juggle two worlds; Brighton and the Ghost Word. It begins to take a toll on him, but he learns to grow into his role. Eventually, over the course of S2, Ollie is redeemed and slowly begins to like Molly, but not right away. We then have our core five: >Molly: An optimistic girl who's always looking to make the world a better place in spite of her insecurities and sadness >Scratch: A cold hearted ghost who slowly learns to be brought back to life >Libby: A shy girl who similar to Scratch, begins to grow out of her shell >Andrea: A rich girl with an edge who's always getting them into trouble >Ollie: A cynical boy with a heart of gold that has a sense of sincerity to him
After a third season with this full team dynamic, the series ends with Scratch sailing the world after saving the day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nah. Andrea works way better as like a comedy villain then she does as a friend. The most you can get out of any sort of friendship would be more like a quiet but well established rivalry where you can do a storyline where Molly finds out later that Andrea was comfortable but directionless until she met Molly and Molly finding happiness despite being in the lower income bracket motivates Andrea to prove Molly wrong that you cant be happy unless you're rich which is where the rivalry comes from
The best comparison I can think of is think something akin to Ben and Kevin from Ben 10. Andrea clearly playing the role of Kevin where both the characters are stubborn and are constantly the butt of every joke but they sometimes have to solve tasks together
Actually a better comparison would be Dot and Fru Fru from Harvey Street.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's bizarre they didn't take that direction, a show like that could be kept going for two or more seasons without changing the basic episode formula.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wasnt this show in development hell for decades
When Bill and Bob were going over the concept art, Andrea had a radically different design since she used to be blonde and I am convinced there are not one but several different test pilots because they admited to how the original test pilot for this series was the baseball Ep and in that Ep, Andrea was the central antagonist
It was to demonstrate that Andrea would literally buy a professional baseball team just to remind Molly of her place. This then got repurposed to introduce Tammy which created a different problem where the fans thought Tammy was gonna be a recurring antagonist and then never came back.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Wasnt this show in development hell for decades
Possibly going back far as 2003 iirc.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Before most of the anons in this thread were even born
9 months ago
Anonymous
>2003
This explains so much. I genuinely wanna know what kind of original plans they had for Andrea because they all seem way better then how she is now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Also, don't make Geoff gay, keep him as Scratch's goofy sidekick.
Molly even getting 1 season was too much because S2 has almost nothing to do about ghosts. Even when they show up you wonder why the frick they're even there
Ive never seen a show actively hate its own premise as much as Molly. Scratch could unironically be Molly's imaginary friend instead and the show doesnt change at all
I love how Planned Parenthood's goal is to help people plant their parenthood yet they are more associated with the opposite thanks to Roe V Wade's overturn.
>bitmojis
I'm not even seeing the resembelance remotely. They just look like regular people instead of lanky big headed abominations which is actually what fits TOH/Amphibia/Hilda style better. Is this what CalArts does to a Black person?
Shit looks like bitmojis
Also lol at the background characters having the default character sheet pose.
You’re right this show is so goddamn bland.
I’ll say this about Molly McGee, while the writing was so and so, the show had some unbelievably great character designs by the great Justin Rodriguez and some of Mercury Filmworks, Hailey’s On It on the other hand is so fricking bland with its stiff animation, compositions and designs just look at this shit
Shit looks like bitmojis
Also lol at the background characters having the default character sheet pose.
I'll give the show this, while I would have preferred if Andrea stayed Blonde after awhile when you rewatch S1 you actually start to not mind Andrea's design
I know a lot of people used to rag on her for having hair that resembled the Trans flag but honestly everything about Andrea when you tone it down and see it within a vacuum is great until you start expanding into the bigger picture of her character
But her design is not an issue as far as I am concerned.
It was actually the behavior of Hilda posters here that made me never bother watching that show.
I don't think I've ever seen a bigger example of self-sabotage in a cartoon.
Hilda is the bystander that walks at her own peace while the other "quirky female protagonist" shows crash and burn trying to be the next Adventure Time/Gravity Falls instead of trying to be their own thing.
It's not really bad. It's not like they stopped doing songs and gutted the animation and such. But it is a step down... no new locations are being explored, characters often use recycled outfits, and there is an overlooming sense that they could've done way more but either lacked the talent or the money to do so.
It's France's only big animated IP that's popular domestically and overseas, also had the head start of premiering before the complete death of cable TV.
I'd be sad about this if I didn't have Kiff.
This show started off well enough, but I could already feel evil forces sinking their claws into the show mid season one. The distance between good episodes grew.
This was always gong to decline, so perhaps ending it before a terrible season 3 is for the best.
Damn shame, really enjoyed the show. Always felt like there should have been more done with the premise but we're 2 seasons in already and a don't think a third would change that.
nta but >autism rep character that has added nothing to the show and has been a sneakily insulting depiction >Thai heritage episode, that had more to do with Molly being ashamed of her whiteness than celebrating that she has two cultures to look back on >gay ghost couple featuring a beefcake meathead who threatened a child character that was on the fence about ghosts in a homolust rage moment >green energy shilling episode >Andrea gets paired off with a landwhale self-insert of the episode director's xirlfriend
Andrea getting redeemed at all might as well be lumped into this category because her actions are unrealistic and dont make sense
Her father didnt pay attention to her for like 1/10th of a nanosecond and this one completely inconsequential event resulted in her becoming Molly's best friend to the point where she got Molly her house back.
This feels like they somehow forced like 3 seasons worth of development midway thru Season 1. People used to give Amity shit about how Amity in S1A is a completely different character compared to how she is way later in the series and point out how this didnt feel like development it just felt like it was forced to happen
That happened to Andrea but 1000 times worse. Andrea and Molly STILL BARELY HANG OUT in show.
I would've been okay with however they handled Andrea's redemption if she didn't lose her mean girl edge but alas. Just imagine how much fun it would've been for Molly to have a BFF who's always getting them into trouble because of her personality.
Look. I can literally layer down the entire plot of everything that has happened and make it better.
>Andrea wants to win the candy contest. She literally cannot lose and even with Molly giving the extra prep speech for Andrea in short it really wasnt needed >Andrea decides to make Molly a fandrea (Trial run) >Andrea tells Molly that she is going to give her, her phone number and she's allowed to use it but only sparingly because she wants to "test" Molly's capacity for friendship the way she tested Libby's >The sleepover happens >Andrea decides she would rather have the sleepover at Molly's house instead of her house because she remembers the time she had that sleepover with Libby and doesnt want to create another example of that >Andrea is trying her best to have fun but she has a hard time adapting without all her comforts and material possessions >This in turn Molly tries to help Andrea adapt to Minimalism which results in her development going forwards
She needs to be bratty. She's a WASP in a Midwesterner shithole town she shouldnt be thrilled to get invited to a house that probably deliberately smells like mold.
I wouldn't quite call Andrea's flanderization woke. This aversion to any kind of conflict has been pushed by effeminate, ineffectual educators and childless child psychologists for decades. But modern Disney has bought into it wholesale, and it's indeed the biggest problem with this show.
I've been watching a quasi-education youtube cartoon pushing libertairian ideology, made by fricken Mormons, and that has better character dynamics and sharper writing. I have no idea who is pushing for what at Disney, but they're kneecapping themselves.
>Someone on this board actually watches Tuttle Twins
God I love Karrine she's great
Sucks her show is awful and isnt focused entirely on her
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sucks her show is awful
It's edutainment and political. That's two big limitations to any creative endeavor. But in a way it's also true of Disney in the past few years.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Karrine is great tho. I had no idea that Mormons were extremely Anti Communist since one of the reveals from S1 is that Karrine's family are Marxists
Which is hilarious because nothing about Karrine's character in show makes it imply she'd be into anything other then ruthless cold hearted capitalism like in the dictatorship episode where she was all like "Oh this works for me. This system is perfect."
How is this any different from S1 >Thai heritage episode back in S1 >gay teachers back in S1 >episode about history revisionism and taking down statues >2 episodes about israelite religion and tradition
Seems to me most of you complaining never liked this show and only realize it now
>Thai heritage episode back in S1
You mean that one episode where Grandma Nin and Sharon are fighting? That wasn't really Thai heritage. Making smelly coconut jokes isn't the same as "Wypipol don't season dey food" unironically either.
>gay teachers back in S1
They were such non-characters I didn't even notice, nor are they kissing on screen or threatening kids.
>episode about history revisionism and taking down statues
This one was bad and an early canary in the mine shaft, I admit, but Libby's cool spy outfit and the "she'll meet Scratch" loredrop bamboozled us.
>2 episodes about israelite religion and tradition
Again, it's not really woke simply to have an episode about an IRL subject. And one of them was Libby's most important episodes. So, it's not really about the subject matter it's about what they do with it. Having Libby throw a bat mitzvah and all the school characters show up overwhelming her is more fun than Molly is trapped in her house AGAIN and the conflict is her white genes don't let her eat shitty foreign food.
>Making smelly coconut jokes isn't the same as "Wypipol don't season dey food" unironically either.
bro have you ever had thai food
most of it is spicy as frick
9 months ago
Anonymous
I've had a lot of Thai food and laugh when people say it's spicy, if you want spicy go eat chiles.
9 months ago
Anonymous
personally for me, I don't just want something spicy, I also want something that also tastes good.
Example: I personally think the Atomic flavor at Wingstop tastes like shit on top of being painful to eat, I'd rather go with the "less spicy" options of Original Hot and/or Cajun, those taste better.
>Wypipol don't season dey food
it's fricking true though, I have a friend whose GF (now wife) boiled an entire chicken in... just water... not even salted!
>That wasn't really Thai heritag
They recreated a whole Thai tradition, it counts. You're being selective to help your weak fragile argument >They were such non-characters I didn't even notice
And yet they were there, and they talked about their wives as long as S2 focuses on Andrea's crush on the fat girl >it's not really woke simply to have an episode about an IRL subject.
People being insecure about their own heritage is a IRL subject that happened to the VA of Molly, so I guess it's not woke in S2 either.
What a selective pedantic piece of shit you are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Where was the part in Best of Nin-tentions that Pete's heritage got shit on? Actually, it was revealed he likes Thai food (or at least puts up with it for Grandma Nin), which directly contradicts 100% Molly McGee. I don't think it was one of season 1's best episodes but it dropped a fair bit of backstory on the McGee's so its not a bad watch. At no point did it really feel "woke".
I think people are more annoyed by the gay ghosts having an insane amount of focus for ghost world characters (more than Jinx, and as much as the ghost council even) and one of them has an unfunny joke where they threaten characters for messing with Geoff, a character who previously worked best as an idiotic slapstick side character for Scratch when no one else was available. It's been far more present and in your face than two gay teachers that appear mostly in a forgettable Darryl episode.
Not sure what that last part is about, I think you;re just getting mad at me thinking I'm guy or whoever the original reply was. But yes, 100% Molly McGee was purely reductive of Pete's heritage, the Thai pandering itself I would not consider woke, the cram song actually had a lot of good imagery and I'd say it was more visually interesting and informative than the temple of frogshit we got in Amphibia season 3. But the episode had an unfortunate racist undertone that is a key component in woke/redditor leftist thought in that you can't ever praise European culture ever, so one whole side of Molly's heritage suffers to make the other look better. Also, a minor thing but major when you think the implications, but Molly's red hair is apparently not a Pete trait.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What was the point of anything that ever ended up happening in this show? I remember I once got into an argument with someone who insisted this show only makes you think it wants to draw attention to certain things because that would be the obvious thing to do and then becomes burdened when it has to address that actual problem
Like everything involving the shit with the ghosts ion S1. Scratch curses Molly only to immediately regret doing this because he fricking loves the McGee. This plot stops mattering. The Ghost Council stops mattering since apparently even with Scratch in charge, the Ghost Dimension works entirely independent among itself
Jinx isnt angry that she's out of a job. She's annoyed Scratch is doing a lousy job with being in charge but isnt actively trying to jeopardize him for authority of the ghost dimension
The 'feeding on fear" storyline doesnt matter because that was only exclusive to The Chairman. Its like that storyline only existed to gaslight the other ghosts into following orders.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>What was the point of anything that ever ended up happening in this show?
Loregay got their mind melted by serialized cartoons and now can't comprehend the existence of episodic comedies.
Big City Greens must fricking terrify you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're aware Cinemaphile stopped giving a shit about that show the microsecond Gloria stopped appearing right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I respect all BCG anons who willingly admit they stopped watching because their waifu stopped showing up. They're honest and to the point, no Gloria no watch.
They do not spend half of their day seething on BCG threads about how the farm storyline or Chip's villain arc never "went anywhere" or how Chip's girlfriend barely appears. They are better than molly schizos.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They probably didnt wanna pay Sasha's VA anymore money.
9 months ago
Anonymous
BCG never tried and half-assed a storyline trying to have their cake and eating it too like Molly McGee.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>BCG never tried and half-assed a storyline trying to have their cake and eating it too like Molly McGee.
They literally did it twice with Chip taking over and the Greens moving back to the farm. Both "went nowhere" and everything reset back to status quo. Gloria also got her dream job and then stopped showing up in the show in general, so like you schizos were saying, a plot line that went "nowhere".
It did everything you b***h about Molly but you're so fricking desperate for a win that you pretend it's different when it falls down in your exact same problems with this show. Difference is you're obsessed with Molly while you don't give a shit about BCG.
I wish you did though, I'd trade you off to that fandom just to get rid of your ass.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Molly McGee tried (and failed) to have some kind of narrative and plotlines alongside its episodic nature while BCG was more simplistic with Chip just being a nuisance and the Greens going back to the country to lighten things up before going back. These are nothing drastic or attempts at lore. You're completely missing the point and unable to see the distinctive difference between the two shows..
9 months ago
Anonymous
>These are nothing drastic or attempts at lore
Neither are anything Molly Mcgee has been doing you insufferable butthole.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Then I guess you haven't been watching Molly McGee.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you genuinely think Molly counts as a lore show you have your brain rotten
9 months ago
Anonymous
define lore show
9 months ago
Anonymous
>show that promises expanded worldbuilding, serialized storytelling and character development arcs as part of their main goal
Molly having some continuity doesn't make it a "lore show" the same way Big City Greens isn't one either just because Gloria and Chip had some character growth and changes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>expanded worldbuilding >serialized storytelling >character development arcs
are these not already present in the show even back in season 1? how?
9 months ago
Anonymous
TGAMM is all of what you listed. A lot of episodic shows promise some worldbuilding since they know it'll be boring if the story never went outside what's familiar to the main characters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Cricket's girlfriend barely appears.
FTFY. Gloriagays sorta see her as their second coming of christ for a show that only has one that's there for Gloria and nothing more. Without her, everyone else is expendable to nothing to them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
A good episodic comedy needs contrasting characters who can bounce off each other like any comedy troupe, which isn't what Molly McGee has become.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>A good episodic comedy needs contrasting characters who can bounce off each other like any comedy troupe
This is straight up not true since every character has contrasting personality with one another except Ollie and Molly. So if you want to say those two don't work because of that, fine, but you're objectively wrong to say the characters don't contrast each other when the main leads are a positive girl and a lazy butthole.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Where was the part in Best of Nin-tentions that Pete's heritage got shit on?
There was none of that in the S2 episode. They joked once about how he can't handle spicy food, but Amphibia also did those jokes, it's a cliche. You can find the joke dull but it's not attacking his heritage. >I think people are more annoyed by the gay ghosts having an insane amount of focus for ghost world characters (more than Jinx, and as much as the ghost council even)
Ghost council appears in pretty much every episode the gay ghosts appear, so not really.
I don't mind Jinx appearing less since she's the type of character that can get annoying if she shows up too often, but I would agree they could have given more focus to other ghosts from the show. >Not sure what that last part is about
If israeli episodes aren't "woke" because they depict real life situations, then neither is Molly being insecure about herself since that also happens in real life. >racist undertone
Total schizo
Meh. It had some cute ghosts but otherwise nothing for me.
This is what happens when you try to equally pander to opposite sides. People who wanna see Scratch might not care a ton for Molly, and people who wanna see Molly probably would wouldnt care if Scratch died. Again.
I'm still in the belief that fans of Andrea would have loved Andrea regardless of what direction they would have took her personality and I look back at that stupid interview that Bill and Bob did where they talked about how "nuanced" her character was
...what nuance? What that she saved the town from total bankruptcy because her father could easily set up shop anywhere and the only reason why its in brighton is he's too lazy to move?
Fat load of bullshit that was considering how a week later people are still shopping at Davenports and the town is still a poverty ridden shithole. You'd think the storyline would be that the stranglehold that Davenports has over the town is what leads to the town being depressed, and thru that depression funnel the ghosts are drawn to it
But it literally doesnt even matter because the Council is just disappeared and the Chairman got erased into a pile of joy. Total Anarchy in the Ghost World lasted a day and Scratch being in charge amounts to nothing
You could honestly just cut the ghost subplots entirely.
Pacifica's redemption arc all the way back in S2 of Gravity Falls and how nothing came of it until years later in an Epilogue book that was more or less "wish fulfillment" was a monkey's paw where everyone now almost as if it was considered a mandate had to find forced nuance in characters that didnt do jackshit to earn it and then the creators themselves proceeded to gaslight fans into thinking this is normal behavior
I hate how these corporations arent honest with themselves when it comes to the actual demos who watch their show and how this contrasts with the people in the writers rooms knowing full well who does watch their shows and how they wanna appeal to them but that wasnt the point of their jobs
This is why this fricking writers strike is happening. This is why Disney would sooner have the entire industry die overnight then ever acknowledge how they can optically perceive themselves as a "Children and Families" corporation.
These Molly threads are eerily reminding me of ones for another show. There are an awful lot of post from anons acting like they know how the show is made, projecting what think it should is, b***hing that its betraying its premise and personally attacking the showrunners.
Yet these are the only audiences for these shows. Remember how awhile back, it got out the average median age for the people who watch CN was 30 and Christina Miller ignored this crucial bit of data all throughout her entire run as CEO until Zaslav found that statistic and then completely reworked all of CN because its current model was losing billions of dollars a second
This isnt exclusively a CN problem
This is a western problem
Its not a terrible thing in theory that a show has older fans but its peak delusion that the corporations who greenlit these show thinking they're going to categorize every demo into groups instead of thinking they all arent gonna watch similar shows all at the same time.
Older fans are a minority. The people discussing these shows online will never outnumber those that don't. Catering to them has always resulted in disaster.
Trying to tailor your show to garner a fandom will always end in disaster. You can't plan on a fandom - and there's no guarantee that it will have any longevity after the show ends.
has anyone? its not like its gone really that far beyond funny silly names for them, ie Bald and Bankrupt. remember Alex Hirsch homies straight up gaslighted him into dumping Manzi kek
Beavis and Butthead do a better job hurting themselves since they keep letting cryptrobros hax0r them
that's a real bummer, but honestly idk what else they can do with the show in the case they get another season.
the show's not exactly hilarious. The musical numbers are enjoyable at times but they seem to rely on those a lot and are pretty hit n miss.
There're no compelling villains. The chairman, though dealt with too early, he would've needed a change in character because he never had spoken lines and to me he seemed more like a sub-boss. Jinx feels like a sidekick rather than a main antagonist (and will probably be redeemed even though she's barely an antagonist).
They should've had more types of ghosts as antagonists trying to fight for the position of chairman. That not!Lord Hater ghost was a nothing burger. The Chens are a disappointment too. I had an open mind regarding Ollie despite everyone hating him but he ended up with barely any presence for me to care. There was that business man teased as a threat to the Daveports but I haven't watched the new episodes (save for the turnipball one) so idk what that whole thing ended up being like, and I don't feel like keep watching 2bh. I'll tune in for the final episode just to see how it all ends.
Do you remember during the Ep where Andrea got Molly her house back that Andrea actually went to her father for advice and he actually was interested in wanting to further educate her on how ruthless corporate culture can be until S2 where this is never addressed or followed up upon again?
The entire identity crisis that Andrea is going thru should have been about "Am I shilling my daddy's company because I am an important part of his operation or am I doing it because Davenports cant function without my input."
You can contrast this with Molly having way more in common with her mom then her dad and Andrea having a lot in common with her dad but he's hard to impress.
Only for the reveal that Andrea's dad doesnt give a shit what Andrea does in her freetime so long as it doesnt make the company look bad.
Last week, someone actually leaked DM's from the discord which I am now convinced is just filled with shills and people who actually work for the show talking about how the Fat Lesbian Girl that Andrea is attracted to is a major antagonist for "Season 3" but S3 is not happening because this show has no organic demand
Bill and Bob made a big fricking deal about one "focus group" taht allegedly happened years ago not factoring in that data they collected was either wrong, cherrypicked or completely irrelevant information from the people who like Andrea just because she's adorable but they make her do stupid things.
They mention focus groups quite frequently, like for the body swap episode. Makes me think focus testing is interchangeable with "corporate" i.e. something the suits made them do like the turnipball episode.
Redeeming Andrias was stupid. Aldrich was a pointless character and they really should have leaned into the original idea of Marcy's autism being the defining characteristic that doesnt help her see ethics and morals because she dictates them thru video game terminology
Forcing her to go back and face reality would have been a perfect contrast to the 2 other girls being forced to go on an Isekai adventure.
>If that is the cope you're going to go with. >Meanwhile the Folly McCucks here are crying and coping about a mediocre show getting cancelled soon.
Kek, oh the sweet, sweet irony right here!
I find it weird that Kiff and Hailey fans seem to be supportive of Molly fans, Frogs and Hilda fans are arrogant and negative towards them, and Owl fans tend to be indifferent. Why is that?
Well, no, I've enjoyed Hailey actually, it's probably the most "Disney Channel" show we've had since SvTFOE (before c**tuggo ruined it). Just young teenagers doing dumb shit and having fun, and the biggest threats are more easily dealt with than Halo CE flood infection forms. It does tend to play it a little too safe though.
i don't get this "my cartoon is better than your cartoon" mentality. I like both Amphibia and this show, and I've watched Hailey and thought it was fun.
i hate tribegays so much bros
Frogshits blamed Molly McGee and that halfway to Halloween thing for True Colors getting pushed back it was actually because of ZABOCKS and raided the theme song official video which caused it to get taken down. They basically got Primos'd by the Amphibia fanbase without justification. Most of the tribeshit here is fake and gay but Mollybros have legitimate gripes with Frogs because of that.
Shut the frick up, homosexual!
Your shitshow barely makes it in the top 5 spot and your last thread didn't even maxed out before it got archived!
I'd be surprised if that shitshow even gets a third season before it hangs itself just like this shitshow!
Oddly, Hilda and Amphibia are probably my favourite current cartoons besides Molly, so I'm a weird exception. At any rate, for some reason S2 of TGAMM hasn't grabbed me as much as S1, but I'm still sorry to see it go. At its best, it was really darn entertaining.
>disney is pushing pnf because the show is getting renewed soon >gee why does pnf is higher up on the most watched show ranking on disney+ while the show that was already ended a year and a half ago doesn't
moron. If you have disney+ you would know that disney intentionally put pnf on the front page no matter what type of show you watch. They're literally desperate trying to milk nostalgiagays into watch that trash.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You are literally moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Molly mcshit flopped
9 months ago
Anonymous
Meanwhile, your frog show is is on no-one's radar.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So that's why Amphibia has higher ratings than other post 2019 disney lore show huh? Oh wait didn't owl house and molly also got canceled while Amphibia is getting a new book KEEEK the show surely did flew off radar, it flew off radar so much that it goes on a winnimg streak to dab on your flopped shows. Cry more b***h.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Tch. People don't even remember this show anymore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No one cares about molly and fowl house. Not even disney cares kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
>So that's why Amphibia has higher ratings than other post 2019 disney lore show huh?
Huh? It didn't even have higher ratings than TOH, its average was 366k while TOH's was 388k
9 months ago
Anonymous
Owl shitshow gets canceled because of the inflated fake numbers, it is honestly sad and embarrasing. Disney executive sees through the charade and decide to pull the plug and canceled the show amd their book too. Amphibia steamrolled TOH so hard.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So you're comparing a random episode against the series finale. Lol the cherry picking. Is the rest of the series so bad that you need to rely on the finale to pull a pathetic 0.3M viewers? Pretty sure Star vs. during their worse seasons had those numbers.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anon they're still seething half a million people watched the owl finale over instead of O MY CAT GOD frog finale
9 months ago
Anonymous
LMAOOOOOOO
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you keep posting this like this means anything? Its been a year, move on.
9 months ago
Anonymous
froggay can't admit they lost the war. who's still making sfw amphibia fanart?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>like this means anything
It actually means something. The Owl House is forgotten, canceled, and has shit ratings. Amphibia is getting a new book, a full season 3, and higher ratings than TOH.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I genuinely couldn't care less.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Then why'd reply to my post.
9 months ago
Anonymous
literally fighting over your slot in the bottom row... kek... even HOI and Kiff were never in that hell.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Frogs will always seethe about how Owl House not only was enjoyed but also had a good finale
Even their subreddit love it more than their own show, that's how hard Mutt dropped the ball in S3
9 months ago
Anonymous
Premiere ratings are not total ratings, or even total unique viewers. We also don't know how well each show did on international markets.
That said, I don't think ratings are the primary explanation for how Disney treated each show. One was late and overbudget, the other wasn't. I'd bet on that before a trivial 22K difference in premieres.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Indeed 22k is a pathetic number for TV. Both the Owl and Amphibia have really low viewership ratings. But, as you mentioned, the budget for the Owl trash was massively higher, so it's a good reason to cancel it.
Expensive show -> nobody watches it -> DeSantis removes out tax breaks so money suddenly matters -> cancel that trash and save some pocket money.
Personally, I wanted the show to end with Andrea and Molly having a fight to the death in the rain but clearly that won't happen since they're friends now.
Streaming content is a shit business model that basically rewards producing two seasons of any show to get new subscribers (while the delay between a 1st and 2nd seasons generates buzz) and then canning it immediately afterward.
Honestly surprised this Casper the Friendly Ghost fanfic got approved anyway, it has such a weak premise to begin with. the most it had going for it; was it wasn't another "girls goes into another world anime" and then she went to ghost world and it became less distinct and more of the same. The shallow LGBT stuff didn't help either as it was just misstep after misstep.
>only 2 seasons for ok show
They better not shit can Vikingskool, so far it's been my favorite Disney show in years, there not modern smartphone twitter jokes, there's no forced gay rep.
Wtf didn't think show began last year? >Premiered on October 1, 2021
Ending with 35ish episodes in a span of 2½ years sounds like a waste of money on the company's end. It didn't even reach the golden 52/104 episode mark which would be nice for syndication. This shit somehow had a worse run than the short lived cartoons that aired around 2008-2010 (Chowder and Flapjack). It is over.
Andrea being attracted to morbidly obese people is so unbelievably and chaotically shitty of an idea im almost convinced this show exists entirely to just be a humilation ritual.
is it me or has episode 11 onward for season 2 been real mid so far? Like they put a ton of effort into the first three orders of ten episodes and now they're at the fourth order of ten episodes and they're just kinda spinning their wheels because they don't really know what else to do with the characters?
This show unironically felt like it forgot its own core character motivations and even its own selling point that being Molly helping Scratch find a bunch of locations throughout Brighton that are currently under spectral possession
But if anything baring maybe a few rare instances, the Ghosts in the Ghost Dimension mostly just stay there. Brighton is still a shithole the only difference is everyone is now fully aware that this the fault of Davenports.
They dont blame Andrea just her parents but that still doesnt stop the town from shopping there which feels like a metaphor on how people can hate soulless corporations but still shop at them in order to encourage their own protest
I’m gonna take a guess and assume that this ending’s gonna be a WOY-type one where it technically works as an ending to the show, but they make it super obvious they wanted to do more before getting canned?
Although it would be funny if it was some Star Vs genocide type shit, but I don’t think they would frick up THAT badly.
Honestly to me, a lot of the issues some people have with Molly S2 come off as nitpicks compared to what the frick happened to Star, so I'd be geninuely shocked if they somehow managed to drop the ball even further than that.
Although I'm not necessarily against seeing Cinemaphile have another meltdown over this show either. These threads are always fun, lol.
Well the problem is that they are cramming everything into one last season, when a lot of this stuff seems like it should have been stretched out further, but then again of course they did, since Disney only gave them two seasons and considering how things are now in the industry I don’t think they are getting more than that
>Disney only gave them two seasons
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they did such an aimless season 2 while knowing well that, in billybob's words, they only needed 2 and a half to tell their story. Was it just lies?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe dude
Maybe Disney promised them three seasons but then cut it back down to two, with all that's been going in the industry that seems very likely
I'm gonna be perfectly real with you. Lets humor this show and propose the notion that the Davenports end up losing everything. You could on paper make a whole half season of Molly's family struggling to make the Davenports present themselves as ethnical business people only for them to learn just how deep their corruption goes and how obsessed they're with getting their bottom line and short term gains
You could even write a partial falling out between Andrea and Molly where Andrea goes thru the 5 stages of grief arguing with Molly how her father has a few obsessive bad habits when Molly then whips out a long track record of shit that she casually either didnt understand at the time or ignored
IE the McGee's trying to educate them the difference between "Optics" and "Ethics"
I wanna know why S2 feels so empty but Bob during those Discord leaks was talking about how a lot more focus was gonna be on Andrea if they got a 3rd season since that fat lesbian girl was gonna be an Antagonist solely to give Andrea something to do
Literally no one wants this. They claim they do focus tests but if anything it just sounds like they make up bullshit and claim it happened despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
>was talking about how a lot more focus was gonna be on Andrea if they got a 3rd season since that fat lesbian girl was gonna be an Antagonist solely to give Andrea something to do
Unless you post proof they said exactly that you're pulling this out of your ass, I never saw him say that in any of the discord stuff
The implication (if you check the live thread from the Ep that aired last week) someone posted a quote from Bob how Bob wanted to make that fat lesbian girl the new antagonist of the series but that could only happen if they were confirmed getting another season
That implies more focus was gonna be put on Andrea since she hasnt done jack shit all season since they redeemed her for nothing.
>someone posted a quote from Bob how Bob wanted to make that fat lesbian girl the new antagonist of the series
I can't find any of this, all I saw is that he said they would "explore it further", nothing about her being an antagonist. I think you're just making that part up. >they redeemed her for nothing
They redeemed her so they could do different things with her, what do you expect, to have her be a big hero? Not a loreshit show owlgay
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They can do different things with her
What different things? Cinemaphile literally brought up LAST EP that Andrea and Molly feel more like acquaintances that occasionally interact when the plot apparently demands them to but most of this season Molly barely hangs out with Libby
Someone argued how Molly literally proved herself right and is now just distancing herself from her actual friends in favor of Scratch,
9 months ago
Anonymous
>What different things?
The entire last episode which wouldn't have happened if she was still a selfish b***h and Molly didn't like her. Or the period episode where she goes to the girls party. Or any of her miscellanous appearances like last episode where Molly wanted to go to her party but came late and missed it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Be fricking realistic. Andrea was only in those Ep's not because it was important for her to be there but because Bill and Bob fell into a writers trap where they said to themselves "OK. When Andrea is not on screen, Molly and Libby should be asking where is Andrea."
This has been the biggest issue with Andrea. They want to make her nuanced but after the redemption happened they somehow decided "welp. We're done with that arc now."
Identical to Pacifica in everyway where once the Redemption happens people immediately complain how more focus isnt being put on her
Amazing how Andrea does all these things in various Ep's then gets put back in the box for 10 straight Ep's until they forgot "Oh wait...we forgot to take Andrea out of the box."
9 months ago
Anonymous
So first you say they barely use Andrea and then you compare her to Poochie, a character that was used too much. You don't know the meaning of that quote, do you
It dawned on Disney (since they're slow) that literally no one gives a shit about musicals except maybe the smallest nichest of niche people possible
Like they somehow gas lit themselves into believing SoL shows like Phineas and Ferb got popular because of the musical segments which were good but not the sole reason people watched the show.
>It dawned on Disney (since they're slow) that literally no one gives a shit about musicals
Is that why they're releasing a musical this year?
And why they're releasing Moon Girl S2 next year with even more mixtape songs?
Literally fricking no one but social media sites like Reddit and this board are watching that shit. Dont act like you dont have the hard statistics there were more people watching Molly McGee before its massive dip then they were watching Moon Girl
I might be in the minority here, but I feel it was a mistake to have every single episode have a song, even if they weren't very long. Some are fine, but you have others that just seemed obligatory.
do you guys really think Baal and Beelzebub have committed to making "The End" a proper finale? will we get a flash forward with Molly and the girls? or will be it be a dud like SvTFOE finale where it was supposed to have a movie followup but instead ends on literal genocide ????
what's funny is that i met one of the season 2 animators just the other week by chance and i had no idea about it aside from andrea thanks to some guy drawing a bunch of fanart of her
Woah wait what?! How did you meet them? Online? Because I’ve also seen a couple of the animators online including one who did some Phoenix Wright animations in the style of Molly McGee.
Hey if you talk them again tell them, “Thank you. You guys an insanely good job, and your work turned a show into the most well animated one out there, we’re all grateful for that.” Because if there’s one thing I hope people take away from this show, is that you can do more with animation when it comes to animation acting. You CAN be more expressive, you CAN go off model, and you don’t have to use stock animation styles or expressions. I remember Justin Rodriguez in his Molly McGee model sheets saying that you can always come up with a unique expression for Molly, it’s like he took Ren and Stimpy’s “never the same face twice” idea and ran with it. Frick the critics like LSMark who b***h about cartoons “too cartoony”, the fact that Molly McGee was cartoony is what made it stand out
in person actually
it was a rather recent meetup (if you know you know)
unfortunately i wasn't able to find them at the after party and have a drink with them
Yeah it’s a pretty bleak time for the industry right now, but it’s not the first crash, we had a pretty big one in the late 00s and afterwards we had a lat of new shows, makes me wonder what will come out of this crash
9 months ago
Anonymous
meant to reply to
not only animation but it seems the discovery merger is causing a lot of other shows to come to cancellation as well (rip joe pera)
Molly McGee's style is like Olive Oil, it goes great with anything. Seriously, it is so strange, you can take any character and out them in Molly's style and it sometimes fits even better than the original style as was the case with that Amphibia Molly McGee fanart
>It’s another episode of Cinemaphile watching a kids show for the “””waifus””” and declaring it to be da bestest only to get canceled within 3 seasons
What drives you people to torture yourself like this?
I enjoyed season one a lot more than expected, but I think it feels like it was happy to end there. The show's whole story arc was about Molly befriending Scratch, Libby, enhappifying the town, and dealing with the ghost council. All of that was developed and resolved in a nice conclusive way. Outside of touching upon Scratch's old life and Libby's father I feel like season two has more of an epilogue feel.
I wish Andrea actually bonded with her family more like the way Molly bonds with hers. Like frick just a few Ep's
One idea I had for an Ep was during the "Snow Day" Ep where since everyone in town outright refused to leave their homes because it was sub-below freezing outside you could have had Andrea being elated with joy she gets to spend it bonding with her family but Maxwell being like "Phhh....miss a day's profit? Not on my watch. No snow storm is keeping me from going to work."
I like the idea that Molly would have saw Andrea as like a "Long Term" project where friendship would be the end result of her peeling back all the aspects about her character that were likely wrapped around her by her father but nothing ever came of that
Maxwell is like a worse even more generic version of Preston the way Andrea is just Pacifica but worse.
The problem with taking the friendship with Andrea that direction is Scratch was supposed to fill that part of a character who's quite antagonistic to Molly but slowly warms up to her.
Since Andrea was originally meant to be a shallow villain, I don't think Build a Bear ever considered anything beyond Andrea becoming Molly's BFF due to a good deed, they just didn't have time to rewrite things to accommodate another character similar to Scratch.
Bill and Bob genuinely dont understand why Cinemaphile liked Andrea it was 100% for coom brain related reasons. They saw a Dumb Airheaded E-Girl with Daddy Issues and they were like "SOLD! SAY LESS SHE'S PERFECT CHANGE NOTHING."
It reminded me of that Twitter poll that Alex Hirsch did which made him furiously disgusted with his own fanbase where Pacifica, a character he used to hate passionately was voted as the #1 female character in the show despite being a comedy villain and foil for Mabel
Meanwhile Mabel ranked DEAD LAST. Her fricking friends we're higher then she was. I also remember Wendy coming in 2nd.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>character he used to hate passionately
Why?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Back when Alex couldnt decide if GF was gonna be a 2 season show or a 3 season show (because he is wildly inconsistent about the details) Alex made up his mind that Preston was a Chud (long before the term became common place) so therefore ALL of Pacifica's family were just like him
...Then Matt and Dana reigned in Alex's autism and decided randomly and without warning "You know maybe it wouldnt be so bad to have Pacifica to get some character outside of being pretty and rich."
And like clockwork, the fanbase decided that all Pacifica's character amounted to at that moment was being an outlet for Dipper to put all his mystery related stress relief into
Andrea's role wasn't going to be to become a girl bully friend-tagonist to Molly in my ideal headcanon, that would be Tammy's role, she was going to be more a friend whose oblivious snobiness gets her into trouble, a role which has actually worked well for her in season 2. I've not had any issues with Andrea's character in the second season so far, other than obviously the self-insert landwhale lover, and the fact that despite their friendship coming out stronger at the end of the Period episode it still hasn't felt like a proper friendship trio, in fact, Molly barely hangs out with either of them after that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
God this show was such wasted potential
9 months ago
Anonymous
This whole show makes such odd decisions like inviting all these expensive actors to voice these characters but despite this Andrea's mom has spoken maybe like 1 and a half sentences worth of dialogue for a total of 2 seasons
Maxwell has shown up maybe like what...5 times? Total?
9 months ago
Anonymous
When S2 dropped the episode titles and Cinemaphile was only really fixating on the Period Ep (since every other Ep was super boring and paint by numbers) I was under the belief that there was gonna be pre-set limits to how accepting towards minimalism Andrea was gonna be
You need to remember that the whole gag from S1 where she encourages everyone in Brighton to accept living in moderation despite not living in moderation herself. I thought that was half the point of Maxwell drafting plans to expand Davenports.
This is gonna sound like a strange comparison but do you remember at the end of the 1st Spongebob movie the reason why Mr Krabs opened a second restaurant was to give Spongebob a manigerial role
I thought this was Maxwell's plan for Andrea. Maxwell would be the CEO but Andrea would be promoted from "Advertisements" to full on Middle Management where she would be able to boss other Davenport employees around.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Molly barely hangs out with either of them after that
We're going zombie FOP in one season, it's so sad.
Pacifica was redeemed only because of fan support, and even then, Hirsch did it in a half-assed sort of way. She was utterly wasted in the finale. She was sort of punished too in the end, though it was more directed at Preston. And Preston was a straight up evil character, it was implied he was outright abusive to Pacifica.
Maxwell, I never got the feeling he was a villain. Sure, he did greedy shit, and told his daughter to wait for a hug, and apparently there was some "he's going to tear down a forest to build a warehouse" plotline that went nowhere, but he also did shit like save Brighton's Christmas and seemed to actually be quite warm to Molly and Andrea's friendship. He also cares for his daughter very much. He doesn't quite deserve to lose EVERYTHING and hopefully he gets some sort of decent closure.
For context, that comment that Maxwell made about his "future development plans for Davenports" was (kinda) paid off with Davenports On Demand and then just ended prematurely since Andrea was the catalyst for this because she accidentally created a new outlet for Maxwell to funnel all his selfishness and greed into
We have not see Andrea's family since but we're likely gonna see them probably side with that other billionaire dude who will buy Davenports from them for a massive cash settlement since Maxwell will go where the money takes him.
her personality is perfect, the writing mistake was making her another cis lesbian instead of a based narcisstic trans girls/femboy. but that's okay, headcanons triumph all.
Aimless. To all the people who think all the problems in regards to this show started at the beginning of S2 need to go back and watch the later half of S1B and realize the decline actually started there.
who's talking about coomers? the post is about how Molly was never a good show and it doesn't look like Hailey will be any different, the plot progression on that thing is basically nonexistent.
I have never seen a number that low for a show that has a budget big enough to hire all these expensive actors to Voice Act for characters that we hardly ever see. Its eerily similar to Steven Universe which had the same problem and twice as many musicals.
Good.
People still watch this flop?
Nobody ever watched it beyond like 3 mega-autists
Ehem
Yet it still flopped
seems to be doing ok if
is anything to go by
They already said they planned an ending in case S2 is the last one, just like how S1 ended all the loose ends
unfortunately we know the s2 finale isn't tying any loose ends since bald and bankrupt keep responding to questions from fans with "maybe in season 3"
None of the stuff they said “maybe in S3” is something set up by S2 nor something you’d care about if they hadn’t mention it on twitter.
But let two old men live rent free in your mind, that’ll show them.
post TGAMM ambassador pin
we don't see the numbers like there's probably big gap between 10 and 11 for we all we know
Wow just staying ahead of fricking Pupstruction great
>acting like 13th place is amazing
Please kys
>doing worse than superkitty
Sorry but no
These lists aren't always a good barometer for a show's health, because they are ranked by cumulative minutes. We don't know what portion of those minutes came from older episodes.
Molly McGee has had a full 1st season. If it's only marginally beating Hailey's On It and Kiff, that might not be good enough, especially if it's more expensive to produce than those two.
and nothing of value was lost. should have stopped at one season.
>lesbians once again killing a show
everytime
>cute girl gets hitched to a fat bulldyke
I hate this trend so much.
Give me 5 other examples
cry harder chud
Uh, wokesister, it's our show that got cancelled... we went broke...
>Real possibility HOI is a 1 season show
Haileyhapas...
We lost
We'll have a 2nd season, calm down buddy
Alt Right, prepper, doomer, israeli GF is still best girl. Let's hope they don't FRICK HER SHIT UP in the very end like making her MtF like Andrea's hambeast .
she is already in a polyamour relationship with molly and olie, making FFM threesome everyttime
But FFM threesomes are based
We need more of them and less dyke shit.
she's already out of scale. they should have either made her head bigger or scaled her up until her head matches, and just let her be that one awkward gangly girl in the grade that we all knew.
>Alt Right, prepper, doomer, israeli GF is still best girl.
Indeed she is, my fren!
How is she alt right?
Supports Israel's recent fundamentalist nationalist-religious reforms and doesn't tolerate Paleshittians.
Le what?
Are we back with TRANDREA? Right when I got layed off
Go woke, go broke
Go broke, get woke, ultimately CROAK.
Nah, this is the creators trying to get some of that ESG bucks and they're throwing Andrea to the wolves to do it.
I will never forgive them for this, I hope Bill and Bob are blacklisted and forced to wash cars for the rest of their lives.
Pray the strike hurts DTVA
Calm your breasts there homosexual
Lmao why jackass. Do you think people are obligated to support you and other people in today's animation? Explain where this obligation comes from besides your loud mouth
When they do things like pander to that lgbtq stuff, they don't give a damn about anybody who doesn't support it, and so should expect no support whatsoever in return.
Shut up
It's a drug. They see a pretty white person, and they feel an instinctive need to make them some sort of marginalized group in some fashion, so they can feel good about liking them.
Rather take dykes than the trannies that we're going to be getting in like 5-10 years time:
You KNOW that the Anons here will be b***hing about that when it does happen!
jcm2?
Should've been Andrea x Molly, to be honest.
unironically
your pic is a great example
andrea hugs, pinches, and brushes up against molly CONSTANTLY, like no other character
whether the writers intended it or not, they created a lot of intimacy between the two characters.
>stole the girl
>stole the role of main character
ollie fricked andreagays so bad LMAO
Sammie Crowley's "The Molly McLoud House", or what simpler minds call TGAMM season 2, is not canon to the actual main series.
I only ship Molly with fem Ollie
Why is she so ugly?
cute girls and hot women are not allowed in modern media
Awww look at you! Great effort, you lot - better luck next time~
holy shit I love white characters
It's a product of the American show production model; execs and others will push back against explicitly showing gays while the show is still looking for more seasons. Those ideas aren't brought up to execs because they're risk averse. When a show is ending, it's too late to bring up anxieties about consequences because there's no show to cancel, there's no where further those relationships will be shown as going, no date night episode or character mentioning them as a couple.
Also these shows end on notes of closure for characters with last minute developments to show how the status quo is changing at the end.
They didn't have to make the ginger adult version so ugly
Oh no! What will I do without generic brown girl protag cartoon #5354???
>Yet another last minute lesbian
kek
did they have to make her so ugly
This feels like a writer's self-insert.
It is. Andrea's girlfriend is blatantly based on the episode's writer's girlfriend.
https://twitter.com/SammieCrowley/status/1687942841950187520
https://twitter.com/SamanthaCKing/status/1686535977593077762
https://twitter.com/MariaMondloch/media
Spoiler because she's ugly.
Look, you can love your own body as much as you want because at the end of the day you are stuck inside it, but why the hell would you wear a top like that if you dont have the rack for it? Thats just plain bad taste, looks like shit.
Frick I figured out why I had Deja vu
I think what is even more eerie is how similar the situations between these two shows ended up becoming late into their stagnation period
but with Jackie it felt vindictive. Like you could tell Sabrina fricking hated Marco the way Adam Muto hated Finn.
I mean, the girl on the right is cuter than what Andrea is going for.
Wasnt there someone from the S4 threads for Star Vs who looked into the creative decision behind bringing Jackie back randomly and with no follow up of any description being Sabrina went and "soul searched" on a vacation to Paris
I still don't get what the frick people see in this show. Is it just autists like with Loud House?
first season was a refreshingly cute and wholesome show about funny, quirky people with really solid characterization, which didn't force a bunch of lore or temporary character development in your face.
but of course that didn't get to last.
Why must it always go so wrong?
i mean we know why.
some people think they know why, but have it backwards. because those people have switched around who's on what side, in the minds of the gullible.
not by modern western cartoon standards. they are mostly just okay.
what i mean is, they didn't have like "the 8th episode so far where Scratch learns to be a little nicer but by the next episode he's back to normal" kinda shit. they embraced him just being a curmudgeon, and veeeery slowly warmed him up to friendship.
Nah they're ugly as frick by modern standards
Cry harder chud
>refreshingly cute
Except every character was ugly
>lore
Not in S2 either
>temporary character development
You don’t even know what that means do you
Pedophiles
It's the best animated show on Disney Channel (as in it actually has good animation and isn't stiff and cheap looking like the rest of them)
Connie had a mental breakdown over that in SU
>clip
How come I don't remember this episode?
What was the plot? Or it is a preview for a future one?
This was the Ep where Scratch got angry at Molly and told her that she would be the worst scarer in both the human realm and the ghost realm and Molly wanted to prove him wrong.
I really tried liking Hailey's, but the animation is stiff, the writing feels sugarcoated, childish and shallow.
TGAMM on the other hand is well-written and funny, there are payoffs and punchlines. The animation and songs are amazing. It's a great little show.
that's a lot of praise for such a mid show like Molly.
That's me birthday
Happy birthday anon!
Yo! That's my birthday too! Damn, nothing usually happens on my birthday!
HAPPY FRICKING BIRTHDAY ANON!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gumball had their season 2 finale straight up called "The Finale" and that show ended up being one of CN's golden egg's.
So there is still hope.
gumball was fun, tgamm isn't, that's the big difference between the two
Literally has nothing to do with what anon said
Gumball actually stuck to what it's good at unlike Molly McShit
Bullshit. That show Flanderized every character until the whole Watterson family was indistinguishable from each other, and relied on memes and references as a crutch in the later seasons. By the time the last season hit it completely lost the plot, whike also forcing stupid lore shit.
>That show Flanderized every character until the whole Watterson family was indistinguishable from each other
It's the opposite, Darwin and Gumball had identical personalities at first but Gumball slowly turned into a smartass douchebag while Darwin turned into a naive saint.
That's true. Gumball and Darwin were pretty interchangeable during the early seasons.
Gumball was long renewed for a third season way before that episode aired, though.
Dude, don't even compare Gumball to Molly McGee. Gumball was a hit on CN, while Molly is barely anything on Disney's radar.
Molly was far more entertaining and generated more lulz and content than Screamball ever did. Not that a parasite fandom would know this.
And you mollygays call owltards delusional
Gumball is 10x more popular and successful than any DVTA show ever will be. Why would a show get 7 seasons, a movie, and a reboot if it wasn't successful? If you spend more 10 minutes on any social media website you're bound to see at least one gumball. Molly on the other hand got canned after 2 seasons and gets barely talked about online. These shows are not comparable.
Ywnbaw
>Gumball was a hit on CN
so 1/10th the viewership reach of a Disney show
Untrue. Complete garbage like We Baby Bears or Diversity Creek has comparable ratings to mouse's brown girl cartoons.
Anon, even now - years into hiatus before S7 - Gumball content attracts millions. This cannot be said for Molly during her active run, much less after its last episode airs.
>season 1: molly kills the big bad ghost world boss with the power of kindness, scratch becomes the new chairman, everything you would expect from a series finale
>season 2: unnecessary new characters introduced and this time the series ends with jinx trying to take over the human world which feels even more anti-climatic than last season's ending
did Molly really need a second season?
No
The budget should've went to The Owl House
Scratch becoming a new chairman is S2, not S1
Kys owlshitter
No need to cry
Kifftards will be joining you soon
It felt like it didn't. Billy Bob fricked over the semi-lore plots from the get go. I mean the S1 finale ended anticlimactically with Chairman killed off too easily and whatever goes inside of the Flow of Failed Phantoms got thrown out the window too quickly. It was pretty much the sign that the show should've ended right there before we knew it went to complete shit.
disagree with the s1 finale being a dead end, a simple way to improve s2 was to use other characters like Andrea and Libby and the other residents more but that seems far from what we're getting
Told you Black folk the male love interest would kill the show
This show was already doomed long before that. Olly is boring and unironically contributes nothing of real value to this show.
Andrea was this show's selling point but it was clear from the beginning that Bill and Bob could not figure out why. See Andrea couldnt just be some bratty rich girl who acts cute all the time apparently that's not a selling point to people
Which is hilarious to hear this because the opposite is always true. The people who complain the most in characters needing nuance are the ones who want them to be more one dimensional but in a worse way
Andrea should have sided with her dad.
Another skull for Cricket Green's throne
>give the MC a love interest that barely exists show-wise
>make the lesbian couple ugly
Amphibia and Owl House avoided this and got a third season, let this be a lesson for you
Amphibia third season was full of dykes though
>the 2 tech girls
>Yunan and Lady Olivia
>even goddamn Marcy's Journal implies Marcy is getting dyked by Sasha
based, yuri shall conquer the earth
>the 2 tech girls
Who?
Exactly, they were non characters to the point nobody remembers them
The confirmed lesbians that the fanbase ignored because they only watched the show to see three 13 year old girls get together. Seriously, good luck find art of them.
They're completely forgettable because they did nothing and were obviously added became some Joker really wanted to add his gay OCs to the cartoon.
I was really surprised when the writers didn't even realize they could have these two help Terry build the portal machine. Her needing some extra hands to help makes perfect sense.
Yeah that's the thing about season 3 Amphibia, there are many obvious things you can do to make these characters relevant but they decide frick let's not bother.
Baily fricked up by impaling Marcy and Disney clamped down. The show as it was intended to be was more or less cancelled and they could only frick around instead. That's why the quadruple-length climax is nothing but "cool moments" and they did something as weird and unfitting as kill Anne and replace her with a clone as a petty way of getting something past the censors.
Not cancelled but simply transferred over to Marcy's Journal, where the section that covers 3A is filled with angsty melodrama that people were craving.
same soul moron
>for all intents and purposes
>Character that was retconned into NB in a Book
>Gay couple reduced into friends in second-to last episode
>Sasha was retconned into Bi due to her VA's nepotism
???
>Character that was retconned into NB in a Book
I still gotta get around to finishing the journal, is Jenny the character ur talking about?
> not even a year and I already forgot who was Jenny, the museum lady?
no, it was Terri.
>Amphibia and Owl House avoided this and got a third season
>Owl House
>third season
Except Amphibia ended it's third season in full, whereas TOH's third season was slashed into 44 minutes specials (possibly equivalent to 6 22 minute episodes)
I promise to make all my lesbian teenagers attractive.
oh i forgot the music on this show is also great. it's like Phineas and Ferb Lite.
Has a show ever generated as much nuclear seethe among non-watchers as TGAMM?
TTGO
There was never any indication of Andrea being attracted to Fat People
This show already borderlines on that of a humiliation ritual show but that alone sent it over the edge
Andrea is now a completely aimless character in a horrible show
>There was never any indication of Andrea being attracted to Fat People
Anon...
oh look, I see totally attraction there, she is even thinking in marrying him as well,
Cope
:.
>goes with a fat kid to the dance
>no attraction
Why do you think she asked him out genius
I danced with many girls in proms and I didnt even like them, it's about being part of the party, you lonely autistic
I wonder how you would have reacted had that been a fat girl and not a fat boy
Cute dyke
>implying that's a boy
to this point, Im not really sure
Why does she like uggos?
Why does Andrea do anything. Do Bill and Bob understand what the word "nuanced" means or are they just making up bullshit and just copying the character tropes of other established characters like Pacifica and Amity but making it worse
Looking back on it...pairing her with Molly wouldnt have been the worst thing in the world. Molly could have shown Andrea adventure.
The more I think of it, the more I believe Andrea was shafted for Ollie. I mean they're both tubers with negative experiences with ghosts. If it weren't for Ollie's family (who are MIA now by the way), Andrea could've just taken his place, and she should have since she's a much better character.
OH WAIT
ANDREA STILL DOESNT KNOW SCRATCH EXISTS DESPITE THE FACT THEY MADE A BIG FRICKING DEAL HOW MOLLY AND ANDREA ARE "KINDA BUT NOT REALLY" FRIENDS.
Redeeming Andrea was a mistake. On paper this seems so easy. The whole point of Molly's character is that she means well but gives objectively bad advice. All they had to do was start the break apart between Andrea and her dad and Molly deciding to do something completely stupid gives Andrea some advice that she completely twists to the point where Andrea and her father improve upon their relationship but the stronger this relationship gets the worse the town gets because now Andrea went from being committed to "Davenports" out of "Inheritance" to "obligation"
IE basically doing the Pacifica bit but backwards and more of a gag.
There was a massive rewrite and tonal shift in between season 1 and 2, to the point where large swathes of season 1 feel like they were retconned or trivialized.
It looked like over the course of season 1, they were building towards making Molly/Andrea/Libby the "good" calamity trio. At some point Andrea learning about ghosts would be a given since she'd seen Scratch before. We'd even get cool Wraith forms for each... Libby and Andrea's silhouettes were literally made to be ghosts.
But no, you're right... someone panicked, balked, saw those juicy Miraculous numbers and thought they could be mimicked by tossing in a straight ship (really it's the neverending love triangle that is the trick). Either way, the result was that Libby and Andrea were cast aside for an extremely poorly written ghost world plot.
I would like to remind everyone that the Candy Bar Charity Episode was numerically suppose to air way earlier in Season 1 and the Ep where we meet Andrea's dad during the Christmas Ep was (according to the production codes) suppose to be the 2nd instance Molly meets Andrea's dad.
For god knows why in between the TWO HIATUSES that happened during season 1, The Candy Ep got shafted LATER down the development loop and frick me looking back on it, its very obvious someone in management shat themselves thinking there was another Lumity situation happening because the fans were already shipping Molly and Andrea together.
I was convinced they wanted to pair Libby with Molly because Libby took me as the kind of person who liked Molly way more then just a friend and you can feel those undertones during the reveal where Scratch reveals himself to Libby and that whole argument the 3 of them had.
With Andrea the friendship just feels forced. At worse she is diet Pacifica.
I don't think Andrea is "forced", but I agree, some aspects of her redemption were handled poorly. She started off way too strong in the pilot and never really "answered" for that. A way I'd have fixed it is, Scratch doesn't possess Andrea in the end, but Andrea thinks Molly saved her from a ghost assailiant and forgives both her and Libby (At Molly's request... it made no sense why Scratch requed it other than le funnay gaggerino) but is still a little wary of Molly.
The nugent episode could've used some tweaks too (I agree with the anon that said, Maxwell wasn't really being THAT much of a dick to Andrea, he was just working the crowd) but I don't necessarily disagree with them using Andrea to save Molly's house with her influence. Gradually, over the course of the series, Andrea warms up to Molly quicker than the other way around, but by the period episode, the friendship trio should've firmly been established.
You knew something was wrong when throughout all of S1 when Libby elaborated in countless details and instances where her friendship with Andrea fell to pieces yet despite this, Molly, being clueless, invited Andrea to Libby's Bar Mitzvah yet at the same time wasnt one of the people who showed up at Libby's Bookstore when the whole town lost power during the snow storm
Bill and Bob do not know what the frick the word "nuance" means the same way Dana once described Belos's character as "Morally complicated" despite literally firebombing an entire community and then gaslighting them and telling them "Wild magic did this."
What the frick are they teaching at Cal-Arts because Ethics is not it.
>extremely poorly written ghost world plot
The ghost world seems to exist just to give Scratch something to do without Molly because somehow they can't write enough episodes where the pair has to deal with ghosts together.
Again, S2 is proof this whole series should have just been called "The Adventures of Molly McGee."
You didnt need Ghosts to sell this series. All you had to do was make Scratch a mental manifestation of Molly's insecurities which plays to her character of "always looking at the bright side."
Scratch didnt need to be a ghost more like a less then subtle metaphor of Molly not having the real confidence in herself to connect to people. Think like Western WataMote
TGAMM should have been a cute little dramedy about three young girls and a grumpy ghost exploring the fun ghost of the week vignettes in their shitty home town while trying to make it better. What we ultimately got reeks of wasted potential
I'd expand upon this better and make the Davenports of this series similar to the Dinklebergs in Fairly Odd Parents where Molly's dad clearly despises Andrea's dad but Andrea's dad despite being a rich butthole actually kind of likes having water cooler conversations with Molly's dad and even considers the two of them "more then just boss and co-worker."
Also ffs give Andrea's Mom something to do.
Let me rewrite the series. Consider this a rough pitch.
The Ghost and Molly McGee is a dramedy about spreading happiness towards a run-down town. S1 explores the first adventures between Molly and Scratch, later joined by Libby mid-season. S2 follows the gang who have a new member join them in their pursuit, Andrea. We start the second season with an episode about Molly introducing Scratch to Andrea as we get more insight into the corporate nature of the Davenport family; her dad sees Molly's dad in the vein of something like this while her mom is retired technology developer who ended up teaching Andrea coding skills. This is followed up by a double length episode dedicated to the friendship Libby and Andrea had during their youth and their falling out, leading to their first sleepover. Ollie is still present, but he's introduced as Molly's opposite instead. If Molly spreads happiness, then Ollie spreads misery. The series explores the themes of looking at the bright side of humanity even shit is terrible. Misery will never go away and bad things will always happen, but each of our three main girls learn to accept it. Scratch has to juggle two worlds; Brighton and the Ghost Word. It begins to take a toll on him, but he learns to grow into his role. Eventually, over the course of S2, Ollie is redeemed and slowly begins to like Molly, but not right away. We then have our core five:
>Molly: An optimistic girl who's always looking to make the world a better place in spite of her insecurities and sadness
>Scratch: A cold hearted ghost who slowly learns to be brought back to life
>Libby: A shy girl who similar to Scratch, begins to grow out of her shell
>Andrea: A rich girl with an edge who's always getting them into trouble
>Ollie: A cynical boy with a heart of gold that has a sense of sincerity to him
After a third season with this full team dynamic, the series ends with Scratch sailing the world after saving the day.
Nah. Andrea works way better as like a comedy villain then she does as a friend. The most you can get out of any sort of friendship would be more like a quiet but well established rivalry where you can do a storyline where Molly finds out later that Andrea was comfortable but directionless until she met Molly and Molly finding happiness despite being in the lower income bracket motivates Andrea to prove Molly wrong that you cant be happy unless you're rich which is where the rivalry comes from
The best comparison I can think of is think something akin to Ben and Kevin from Ben 10. Andrea clearly playing the role of Kevin where both the characters are stubborn and are constantly the butt of every joke but they sometimes have to solve tasks together
Actually a better comparison would be Dot and Fru Fru from Harvey Street.
It's bizarre they didn't take that direction, a show like that could be kept going for two or more seasons without changing the basic episode formula.
Wasnt this show in development hell for decades
When Bill and Bob were going over the concept art, Andrea had a radically different design since she used to be blonde and I am convinced there are not one but several different test pilots because they admited to how the original test pilot for this series was the baseball Ep and in that Ep, Andrea was the central antagonist
It was to demonstrate that Andrea would literally buy a professional baseball team just to remind Molly of her place. This then got repurposed to introduce Tammy which created a different problem where the fans thought Tammy was gonna be a recurring antagonist and then never came back.
>Wasnt this show in development hell for decades
Possibly going back far as 2003 iirc.
Before most of the anons in this thread were even born
>2003
This explains so much. I genuinely wanna know what kind of original plans they had for Andrea because they all seem way better then how she is now.
Also, don't make Geoff gay, keep him as Scratch's goofy sidekick.
I guarantee you she's just one of the writter pedowife and she's herself really fat and "ambiguous" looking
That wouldn’t surprise me considering Alina looks like a short adult.
She had an aim?
>Amphibia 3 seasons
>Owl House 2.5 seasons
>Molly 2 seasons
Frogchads can't stop winning
Molly even getting 1 season was too much because S2 has almost nothing to do about ghosts. Even when they show up you wonder why the frick they're even there
Ive never seen a show actively hate its own premise as much as Molly. Scratch could unironically be Molly's imaginary friend instead and the show doesnt change at all
They hit their climax in season 1 and had nothing planned afterwards.
>muh ghosts
nobody cares, it's not a lore show
they were smart making sasha a dyke in the last minutes and only making the reference with a tiny flag instead of giving her a girlfriend or something
Amphibia's third season was such a massive embarrassment it makes the worst of TGAMM s2 look like a masterpiece.
>Owl House 2.5 seasons
More like 2.33
fr
Damn. Pic related aged very, VERY poorly.
This didn't
I love how Planned Parenthood's goal is to help people plant their parenthood yet they are more associated with the opposite thanks to Roe V Wade's overturn.
>Planned Parenthood's goal is to help people plant their parenthood
lol
lmao
Lulz, Thanks for the laughs, anon.
So I guess this is why the mart plotline was rushed
What's with the femcel defending Andrea's DOGSHIT crush?
troons will defend any kind of lesbian shit, dont matter if it's bad
Good game, kiddo
I always find these sort of threads a great way to see what fandoms are trend setters and what fandoms are parasites.
Your shitshow is next child molester
Kys troony
This show is so damn ugly
>having tastes this shit
Shit looks like bitmojis
Also lol at the background characters having the default character sheet pose.
t. beanmouther
Both styles look like shit, you nog
>all the kids have lips but not the MC
Why? Looks uncanny.
>bitmojis
I'm not even seeing the resembelance remotely. They just look like regular people instead of lanky big headed abominations which is actually what fits TOH/Amphibia/Hilda style better. Is this what CalArts does to a Black person?
You’re right this show is so goddamn bland.
I’ll say this about Molly McGee, while the writing was so and so, the show had some unbelievably great character designs by the great Justin Rodriguez and some of Mercury Filmworks, Hailey’s On It on the other hand is so fricking bland with its stiff animation, compositions and designs just look at this shit
all these lifeless video game NPCs.
I'll give the show this, while I would have preferred if Andrea stayed Blonde after awhile when you rewatch S1 you actually start to not mind Andrea's design
I know a lot of people used to rag on her for having hair that resembled the Trans flag but honestly everything about Andrea when you tone it down and see it within a vacuum is great until you start expanding into the bigger picture of her character
But her design is not an issue as far as I am concerned.
The game was rigged from the start
Muttly McHapa never stood a chance
and Hilda was never a player nor contender
It was actually the behavior of Hilda posters here that made me never bother watching that show.
I don't think I've ever seen a bigger example of self-sabotage in a cartoon.
>Hilda posters
It's just one guy that Hildagays don't even like.
Did this one mysterious malcontent draw that stupid tribe wars pic they spam all the time too? Or rig ms. Cinemaphile ?
He spammed it during the S1 threads. Don't know about ms. Cinemaphile
Hilda is the bystander that walks at her own peace while the other "quirky female protagonist" shows crash and burn trying to be the next Adventure Time/Gravity Falls instead of trying to be their own thing.
This. I always thought putting Hilda in the same camp was weird because (as one example) it never focused on an overarching storyline.
>Hilda and Molly will both end in the same season
Holy kek it was always meant to be
>Another brown quirky girl garbage that was only watched by pedophiles got canned
Its not that funny squidward.
It's honestly a shame we never had a good Molly thread here
Hildabros... we actually won..
Not if season 3 comes out in December.
Lmao
>created by bigger hacks
Die in shit and be forgotten.
It was only inevitable but I had a lot of fun.
Haters frick off
So in the end the what was the ghost past life, did they explained?
Is S2 really that bad? I haven't seen Cinemaphile turn this fast on a show since Star.
Imagine if someone were to totally castrate S1, it's that bad.
It's not really bad. It's not like they stopped doing songs and gutted the animation and such. But it is a step down... no new locations are being explored, characters often use recycled outfits, and there is an overlooming sense that they could've done way more but either lacked the talent or the money to do so.
>It's not like they stopped doing songs
I wouldn't mind it if they did
>trending downward after a spike
not a good look, this is the second time ratings were below 100,000
Ratings for this show are wildly inconsistent
yeah and that's normal, that's why you look at the curve and not just the numbers
>the most straight show has the highestratings
hilarious
It isn't just straight but an eternal love triangle
I’m more shocked Miraculous is still a thing.
It's France's only big animated IP that's popular domestically and overseas, also had the head start of premiering before the complete death of cable TV.
I look forward to the new Mercury Filmworks girl that will succeed Hilda and Molly
for a while
Its shocking since this is Sliceofllifeslop so should have had a longer shelf life than lore crap like Amphibia or Owl House
I'd be sad about this if I didn't have Kiff.
This show started off well enough, but I could already feel evil forces sinking their claws into the show mid season one. The distance between good episodes grew.
This was always gong to decline, so perhaps ending it before a terrible season 3 is for the best.
But why
It most certainly was not.
Damn shame, really enjoyed the show. Always felt like there should have been more done with the premise but we're 2 seasons in already and a don't think a third would change that.
The premise from season 1 doesn't really matter anymore. Ghosts? Enhappifying a run-down town? They're barely relevant in a lot of these new episodes.
Hilda's victory is complete
not if Season 3 was dropped before 2024
They should hold it off until January 14th.
Good. They soiled it with woke pandering and lack of ambition
Have you sent any more emails to industry artists guy?
Name 5 instances of woke pandering in S2
nta but
>autism rep character that has added nothing to the show and has been a sneakily insulting depiction
>Thai heritage episode, that had more to do with Molly being ashamed of her whiteness than celebrating that she has two cultures to look back on
>gay ghost couple featuring a beefcake meathead who threatened a child character that was on the fence about ghosts in a homolust rage moment
>green energy shilling episode
>Andrea gets paired off with a landwhale self-insert of the episode director's xirlfriend
Andrea getting redeemed at all might as well be lumped into this category because her actions are unrealistic and dont make sense
Her father didnt pay attention to her for like 1/10th of a nanosecond and this one completely inconsequential event resulted in her becoming Molly's best friend to the point where she got Molly her house back.
This feels like they somehow forced like 3 seasons worth of development midway thru Season 1. People used to give Amity shit about how Amity in S1A is a completely different character compared to how she is way later in the series and point out how this didnt feel like development it just felt like it was forced to happen
That happened to Andrea but 1000 times worse. Andrea and Molly STILL BARELY HANG OUT in show.
I would've been okay with however they handled Andrea's redemption if she didn't lose her mean girl edge but alas. Just imagine how much fun it would've been for Molly to have a BFF who's always getting them into trouble because of her personality.
Look. I can literally layer down the entire plot of everything that has happened and make it better.
>Andrea wants to win the candy contest. She literally cannot lose and even with Molly giving the extra prep speech for Andrea in short it really wasnt needed
>Andrea decides to make Molly a fandrea (Trial run)
>Andrea tells Molly that she is going to give her, her phone number and she's allowed to use it but only sparingly because she wants to "test" Molly's capacity for friendship the way she tested Libby's
>The sleepover happens
>Andrea decides she would rather have the sleepover at Molly's house instead of her house because she remembers the time she had that sleepover with Libby and doesnt want to create another example of that
>Andrea is trying her best to have fun but she has a hard time adapting without all her comforts and material possessions
>This in turn Molly tries to help Andrea adapt to Minimalism which results in her development going forwards
She needs to be bratty. She's a WASP in a Midwesterner shithole town she shouldnt be thrilled to get invited to a house that probably deliberately smells like mold.
I wouldn't quite call Andrea's flanderization woke. This aversion to any kind of conflict has been pushed by effeminate, ineffectual educators and childless child psychologists for decades. But modern Disney has bought into it wholesale, and it's indeed the biggest problem with this show.
I've been watching a quasi-education youtube cartoon pushing libertairian ideology, made by fricken Mormons, and that has better character dynamics and sharper writing. I have no idea who is pushing for what at Disney, but they're kneecapping themselves.
Frick off shill.
>Someone on this board actually watches Tuttle Twins
God I love Karrine she's great
Sucks her show is awful and isnt focused entirely on her
>Sucks her show is awful
It's edutainment and political. That's two big limitations to any creative endeavor. But in a way it's also true of Disney in the past few years.
Karrine is great tho. I had no idea that Mormons were extremely Anti Communist since one of the reveals from S1 is that Karrine's family are Marxists
Which is hilarious because nothing about Karrine's character in show makes it imply she'd be into anything other then ruthless cold hearted capitalism like in the dictatorship episode where she was all like "Oh this works for me. This system is perfect."
>Amity but worst
nothing is worst Amity's character development, they even canned her being Lilith's apprentice.
How is this any different from S1
>Thai heritage episode back in S1
>gay teachers back in S1
>episode about history revisionism and taking down statues
>2 episodes about israelite religion and tradition
Seems to me most of you complaining never liked this show and only realize it now
>Thai heritage episode back in S1
You mean that one episode where Grandma Nin and Sharon are fighting? That wasn't really Thai heritage. Making smelly coconut jokes isn't the same as "Wypipol don't season dey food" unironically either.
>gay teachers back in S1
They were such non-characters I didn't even notice, nor are they kissing on screen or threatening kids.
>episode about history revisionism and taking down statues
This one was bad and an early canary in the mine shaft, I admit, but Libby's cool spy outfit and the "she'll meet Scratch" loredrop bamboozled us.
>2 episodes about israelite religion and tradition
Again, it's not really woke simply to have an episode about an IRL subject. And one of them was Libby's most important episodes. So, it's not really about the subject matter it's about what they do with it. Having Libby throw a bat mitzvah and all the school characters show up overwhelming her is more fun than Molly is trapped in her house AGAIN and the conflict is her white genes don't let her eat shitty foreign food.
>Making smelly coconut jokes isn't the same as "Wypipol don't season dey food" unironically either.
bro have you ever had thai food
most of it is spicy as frick
I've had a lot of Thai food and laugh when people say it's spicy, if you want spicy go eat chiles.
personally for me, I don't just want something spicy, I also want something that also tastes good.
Example: I personally think the Atomic flavor at Wingstop tastes like shit on top of being painful to eat, I'd rather go with the "less spicy" options of Original Hot and/or Cajun, those taste better.
>Wypipol don't season dey food
it's fricking true though, I have a friend whose GF (now wife) boiled an entire chicken in... just water... not even salted!
Tammy vs Quinby, who wins?
We win anon, we win.
Also I wanna see Quinby in cute sports outfits, like track & field, tennis/pickleball, and beach volleyball.
>That wasn't really Thai heritag
They recreated a whole Thai tradition, it counts. You're being selective to help your weak fragile argument
>They were such non-characters I didn't even notice
And yet they were there, and they talked about their wives as long as S2 focuses on Andrea's crush on the fat girl
>it's not really woke simply to have an episode about an IRL subject.
People being insecure about their own heritage is a IRL subject that happened to the VA of Molly, so I guess it's not woke in S2 either.
What a selective pedantic piece of shit you are.
Where was the part in Best of Nin-tentions that Pete's heritage got shit on? Actually, it was revealed he likes Thai food (or at least puts up with it for Grandma Nin), which directly contradicts 100% Molly McGee. I don't think it was one of season 1's best episodes but it dropped a fair bit of backstory on the McGee's so its not a bad watch. At no point did it really feel "woke".
I think people are more annoyed by the gay ghosts having an insane amount of focus for ghost world characters (more than Jinx, and as much as the ghost council even) and one of them has an unfunny joke where they threaten characters for messing with Geoff, a character who previously worked best as an idiotic slapstick side character for Scratch when no one else was available. It's been far more present and in your face than two gay teachers that appear mostly in a forgettable Darryl episode.
Not sure what that last part is about, I think you;re just getting mad at me thinking I'm guy or whoever the original reply was. But yes, 100% Molly McGee was purely reductive of Pete's heritage, the Thai pandering itself I would not consider woke, the cram song actually had a lot of good imagery and I'd say it was more visually interesting and informative than the temple of frogshit we got in Amphibia season 3. But the episode had an unfortunate racist undertone that is a key component in woke/redditor leftist thought in that you can't ever praise European culture ever, so one whole side of Molly's heritage suffers to make the other look better. Also, a minor thing but major when you think the implications, but Molly's red hair is apparently not a Pete trait.
What was the point of anything that ever ended up happening in this show? I remember I once got into an argument with someone who insisted this show only makes you think it wants to draw attention to certain things because that would be the obvious thing to do and then becomes burdened when it has to address that actual problem
Like everything involving the shit with the ghosts ion S1. Scratch curses Molly only to immediately regret doing this because he fricking loves the McGee. This plot stops mattering. The Ghost Council stops mattering since apparently even with Scratch in charge, the Ghost Dimension works entirely independent among itself
Jinx isnt angry that she's out of a job. She's annoyed Scratch is doing a lousy job with being in charge but isnt actively trying to jeopardize him for authority of the ghost dimension
The 'feeding on fear" storyline doesnt matter because that was only exclusive to The Chairman. Its like that storyline only existed to gaslight the other ghosts into following orders.
>What was the point of anything that ever ended up happening in this show?
Loregay got their mind melted by serialized cartoons and now can't comprehend the existence of episodic comedies.
Big City Greens must fricking terrify you.
You're aware Cinemaphile stopped giving a shit about that show the microsecond Gloria stopped appearing right?
I respect all BCG anons who willingly admit they stopped watching because their waifu stopped showing up. They're honest and to the point, no Gloria no watch.
They do not spend half of their day seething on BCG threads about how the farm storyline or Chip's villain arc never "went anywhere" or how Chip's girlfriend barely appears. They are better than molly schizos.
They probably didnt wanna pay Sasha's VA anymore money.
BCG never tried and half-assed a storyline trying to have their cake and eating it too like Molly McGee.
>BCG never tried and half-assed a storyline trying to have their cake and eating it too like Molly McGee.
They literally did it twice with Chip taking over and the Greens moving back to the farm. Both "went nowhere" and everything reset back to status quo. Gloria also got her dream job and then stopped showing up in the show in general, so like you schizos were saying, a plot line that went "nowhere".
It did everything you b***h about Molly but you're so fricking desperate for a win that you pretend it's different when it falls down in your exact same problems with this show. Difference is you're obsessed with Molly while you don't give a shit about BCG.
I wish you did though, I'd trade you off to that fandom just to get rid of your ass.
Molly McGee tried (and failed) to have some kind of narrative and plotlines alongside its episodic nature while BCG was more simplistic with Chip just being a nuisance and the Greens going back to the country to lighten things up before going back. These are nothing drastic or attempts at lore. You're completely missing the point and unable to see the distinctive difference between the two shows..
>These are nothing drastic or attempts at lore
Neither are anything Molly Mcgee has been doing you insufferable butthole.
Then I guess you haven't been watching Molly McGee.
If you genuinely think Molly counts as a lore show you have your brain rotten
define lore show
>show that promises expanded worldbuilding, serialized storytelling and character development arcs as part of their main goal
Molly having some continuity doesn't make it a "lore show" the same way Big City Greens isn't one either just because Gloria and Chip had some character growth and changes.
>expanded worldbuilding
>serialized storytelling
>character development arcs
are these not already present in the show even back in season 1? how?
TGAMM is all of what you listed. A lot of episodic shows promise some worldbuilding since they know it'll be boring if the story never went outside what's familiar to the main characters.
>Cricket's girlfriend barely appears.
FTFY. Gloriagays sorta see her as their second coming of christ for a show that only has one that's there for Gloria and nothing more. Without her, everyone else is expendable to nothing to them.
A good episodic comedy needs contrasting characters who can bounce off each other like any comedy troupe, which isn't what Molly McGee has become.
>A good episodic comedy needs contrasting characters who can bounce off each other like any comedy troupe
This is straight up not true since every character has contrasting personality with one another except Ollie and Molly. So if you want to say those two don't work because of that, fine, but you're objectively wrong to say the characters don't contrast each other when the main leads are a positive girl and a lazy butthole.
>Where was the part in Best of Nin-tentions that Pete's heritage got shit on?
There was none of that in the S2 episode. They joked once about how he can't handle spicy food, but Amphibia also did those jokes, it's a cliche. You can find the joke dull but it's not attacking his heritage.
>I think people are more annoyed by the gay ghosts having an insane amount of focus for ghost world characters (more than Jinx, and as much as the ghost council even)
Ghost council appears in pretty much every episode the gay ghosts appear, so not really.
I don't mind Jinx appearing less since she's the type of character that can get annoying if she shows up too often, but I would agree they could have given more focus to other ghosts from the show.
>Not sure what that last part is about
If israeli episodes aren't "woke" because they depict real life situations, then neither is Molly being insecure about herself since that also happens in real life.
>racist undertone
Total schizo
Meh. It had some cute ghosts but otherwise nothing for me.
This is what happens when you try to equally pander to opposite sides. People who wanna see Scratch might not care a ton for Molly, and people who wanna see Molly probably would wouldnt care if Scratch died. Again.
I'm still in the belief that fans of Andrea would have loved Andrea regardless of what direction they would have took her personality and I look back at that stupid interview that Bill and Bob did where they talked about how "nuanced" her character was
...what nuance? What that she saved the town from total bankruptcy because her father could easily set up shop anywhere and the only reason why its in brighton is he's too lazy to move?
Fat load of bullshit that was considering how a week later people are still shopping at Davenports and the town is still a poverty ridden shithole. You'd think the storyline would be that the stranglehold that Davenports has over the town is what leads to the town being depressed, and thru that depression funnel the ghosts are drawn to it
But it literally doesnt even matter because the Council is just disappeared and the Chairman got erased into a pile of joy. Total Anarchy in the Ghost World lasted a day and Scratch being in charge amounts to nothing
You could honestly just cut the ghost subplots entirely.
Pacifica's redemption arc all the way back in S2 of Gravity Falls and how nothing came of it until years later in an Epilogue book that was more or less "wish fulfillment" was a monkey's paw where everyone now almost as if it was considered a mandate had to find forced nuance in characters that didnt do jackshit to earn it and then the creators themselves proceeded to gaslight fans into thinking this is normal behavior
I hate how these corporations arent honest with themselves when it comes to the actual demos who watch their show and how this contrasts with the people in the writers rooms knowing full well who does watch their shows and how they wanna appeal to them but that wasnt the point of their jobs
This is why this fricking writers strike is happening. This is why Disney would sooner have the entire industry die overnight then ever acknowledge how they can optically perceive themselves as a "Children and Families" corporation.
These Molly threads are eerily reminding me of ones for another show. There are an awful lot of post from anons acting like they know how the show is made, projecting what think it should is, b***hing that its betraying its premise and personally attacking the showrunners.
You can see this happen anywhere when people are disappointed with something.
This is why I hate dealing with fandoms. Too many deranged people who need a life away from their fiction.
Some people will happily eat shit, while others won't.
Those others would be happier getting a life
A life of eating shit? Sorry, but we're not flies.
Yet these are the only audiences for these shows. Remember how awhile back, it got out the average median age for the people who watch CN was 30 and Christina Miller ignored this crucial bit of data all throughout her entire run as CEO until Zaslav found that statistic and then completely reworked all of CN because its current model was losing billions of dollars a second
This isnt exclusively a CN problem
This is a western problem
Its not a terrible thing in theory that a show has older fans but its peak delusion that the corporations who greenlit these show thinking they're going to categorize every demo into groups instead of thinking they all arent gonna watch similar shows all at the same time.
Older fans are a minority. The people discussing these shows online will never outnumber those that don't. Catering to them has always resulted in disaster.
This fanbase subsists of anywhere between 76,000 - 92,000 people and even then I doubt those numbers are fully accurate.
Trying to tailor your show to garner a fandom will always end in disaster. You can't plan on a fandom - and there's no guarantee that it will have any longevity after the show ends.
>personally attacking the showrunners
has anyone? its not like its gone really that far beyond funny silly names for them, ie Bald and Bankrupt. remember Alex Hirsch homies straight up gaslighted him into dumping Manzi kek
Beavis and Butthead do a better job hurting themselves since they keep letting cryptrobros hax0r them
Whatever it is, they vastly overestimate the amount of control a showrunner has over production.
that's a real bummer, but honestly idk what else they can do with the show in the case they get another season.
the show's not exactly hilarious. The musical numbers are enjoyable at times but they seem to rely on those a lot and are pretty hit n miss.
There're no compelling villains. The chairman, though dealt with too early, he would've needed a change in character because he never had spoken lines and to me he seemed more like a sub-boss. Jinx feels like a sidekick rather than a main antagonist (and will probably be redeemed even though she's barely an antagonist).
They should've had more types of ghosts as antagonists trying to fight for the position of chairman. That not!Lord Hater ghost was a nothing burger. The Chens are a disappointment too. I had an open mind regarding Ollie despite everyone hating him but he ended up with barely any presence for me to care. There was that business man teased as a threat to the Daveports but I haven't watched the new episodes (save for the turnipball one) so idk what that whole thing ended up being like, and I don't feel like keep watching 2bh. I'll tune in for the final episode just to see how it all ends.
Do you remember during the Ep where Andrea got Molly her house back that Andrea actually went to her father for advice and he actually was interested in wanting to further educate her on how ruthless corporate culture can be until S2 where this is never addressed or followed up upon again?
The entire identity crisis that Andrea is going thru should have been about "Am I shilling my daddy's company because I am an important part of his operation or am I doing it because Davenports cant function without my input."
You can contrast this with Molly having way more in common with her mom then her dad and Andrea having a lot in common with her dad but he's hard to impress.
Only for the reveal that Andrea's dad doesnt give a shit what Andrea does in her freetime so long as it doesnt make the company look bad.
Looking forward to the confirmation of molly/scratch
>It was a good run, Mollybros.
Was it, OP? Was it REALLY?
Creator here confirming shit is dying
Keep supporting the mouse
"Redeeming Andrea was absolutely neccessary"
That focus group never happened bob
You lied to yourself.
Whay was there to even redeem? She was mildly b***hy in episode 1 but chilled out immediately afterwards.
has he already stopped telling people they might get season 3 if they keep watching and streaming the show?
Last week, someone actually leaked DM's from the discord which I am now convinced is just filled with shills and people who actually work for the show talking about how the Fat Lesbian Girl that Andrea is attracted to is a major antagonist for "Season 3" but S3 is not happening because this show has no organic demand
Bill and Bob made a big fricking deal about one "focus group" taht allegedly happened years ago not factoring in that data they collected was either wrong, cherrypicked or completely irrelevant information from the people who like Andrea just because she's adorable but they make her do stupid things.
They mention focus groups quite frequently, like for the body swap episode. Makes me think focus testing is interchangeable with "corporate" i.e. something the suits made them do like the turnipball episode.
I dont believe that I think its truly just Bill and Bob want to copy what other shows do but they cant or they arent allowed to.
they should crowdfund a new season
I enjoyed most of S1, but S2 didn't grab me and I checked out an ep or so after the new neighbors showed up. Sad to see the trend continued.
IAS
Redeeming Andrias was stupid. Aldrich was a pointless character and they really should have leaned into the original idea of Marcy's autism being the defining characteristic that doesnt help her see ethics and morals because she dictates them thru video game terminology
Forcing her to go back and face reality would have been a perfect contrast to the 2 other girls being forced to go on an Isekai adventure.
>Amphibia is thriving and winning
If that is the cope you're going to go with.
>If that is the cope you're going to go with.
>Meanwhile the Folly McCucks here are crying and coping about a mediocre show getting cancelled soon.
Kek, oh the sweet, sweet irony right here!
Only Cinemaphile talks about Amphibia.
I find it weird that Kiff and Hailey fans seem to be supportive of Molly fans, Frogs and Hilda fans are arrogant and negative towards them, and Owl fans tend to be indifferent. Why is that?
Who the frick cares what those other fandoms think especially since 2 of those shows are cancelled and Hailey is even more boring then Molly
Well, no, I've enjoyed Hailey actually, it's probably the most "Disney Channel" show we've had since SvTFOE (before c**tuggo ruined it). Just young teenagers doing dumb shit and having fun, and the biggest threats are more easily dealt with than Halo CE flood infection forms. It does tend to play it a little too safe though.
It follows the same formula of Quirky Female Antagonist in a low income shithole town
conveniently, Hailey doesnt have an Andrea since the closest thing she has in her show is literally a robot.
>quirky
I don't really feel like Hailey is that quirky. If anything, she is majorly insecure, a dork, and somewhat shy.
i don't get this "my cartoon is better than your cartoon" mentality. I like both Amphibia and this show, and I've watched Hailey and thought it was fun.
i hate tribegays so much bros
Frogshits blamed Molly McGee and that halfway to Halloween thing for True Colors getting pushed back it was actually because of ZABOCKS and raided the theme song official video which caused it to get taken down. They basically got Primos'd by the Amphibia fanbase without justification. Most of the tribeshit here is fake and gay but Mollybros have legitimate gripes with Frogs because of that.
Who gives a shit over a theme song?
Well, it was incredibly rude and uncalled for, for one.
This show getting an artificially poor reception that early on meant B&B were forced to make rewrites.
This. The show was basically sabotaged from the start.
Are you fricking moronic or something, do you really think a bunch of spam comments on a youtube vid would convince corporate to force rewrites?
>Owl gays tend to be indifferent.
they are already had problems inside of their own fandom to deal against others
That's what happens when you pander to the pedophiles and trannies.
>Kiff and Hailey fans seem to be supportive of Molly fans
>Shitshows supporting a shitshow
Lmao, I'm not fricking surprised!
new thing is........... le badong
Shut the frick up, homosexual!
Your shitshow barely makes it in the top 5 spot and your last thread didn't even maxed out before it got archived!
I'd be surprised if that shitshow even gets a third season before it hangs itself just like this shitshow!
There is no need to be so mad.
Parasite fanbases. Stuff like Hilda cannot survive without another fanbase to latch onto and constantly battle with.
Kiff and Hailey stand on their own legs surprisingly enough.
Oddly, Hilda and Amphibia are probably my favourite current cartoons besides Molly, so I'm a weird exception. At any rate, for some reason S2 of TGAMM hasn't grabbed me as much as S1, but I'm still sorry to see it go. At its best, it was really darn entertaining.
Amphibia and Owl House aren't even the most watched.
Those shows have been over for months, anon.
And Phineas and Ferb has been over for YEARS, anon.
Phineas and ferb is getting renewed, you moronic homosexual. Also I don't recall PnF being a lore show, cope.
>Phineas and ferb is getting renewed
No new season is airing yet, you turbo homosexual.
>Also I don't recall PnF being a lore show, cope.
Wasn't part of the argument, keep up.
>disney is pushing pnf because the show is getting renewed soon
>gee why does pnf is higher up on the most watched show ranking on disney+ while the show that was already ended a year and a half ago doesn't
moron. If you have disney+ you would know that disney intentionally put pnf on the front page no matter what type of show you watch. They're literally desperate trying to milk nostalgiagays into watch that trash.
You are literally moronic.
Molly mcshit flopped
Meanwhile, your frog show is is on no-one's radar.
So that's why Amphibia has higher ratings than other post 2019 disney lore show huh? Oh wait didn't owl house and molly also got canceled while Amphibia is getting a new book KEEEK the show surely did flew off radar, it flew off radar so much that it goes on a winnimg streak to dab on your flopped shows. Cry more b***h.
Tch. People don't even remember this show anymore.
No one cares about molly and fowl house. Not even disney cares kek
>So that's why Amphibia has higher ratings than other post 2019 disney lore show huh?
Huh? It didn't even have higher ratings than TOH, its average was 366k while TOH's was 388k
Owl shitshow gets canceled because of the inflated fake numbers, it is honestly sad and embarrasing. Disney executive sees through the charade and decide to pull the plug and canceled the show amd their book too. Amphibia steamrolled TOH so hard.
So you're comparing a random episode against the series finale. Lol the cherry picking. Is the rest of the series so bad that you need to rely on the finale to pull a pathetic 0.3M viewers? Pretty sure Star vs. during their worse seasons had those numbers.
Anon they're still seething half a million people watched the owl finale over instead of O MY CAT GOD frog finale
LMAOOOOOOO
Why do you keep posting this like this means anything? Its been a year, move on.
froggay can't admit they lost the war. who's still making sfw amphibia fanart?
>like this means anything
It actually means something. The Owl House is forgotten, canceled, and has shit ratings. Amphibia is getting a new book, a full season 3, and higher ratings than TOH.
I genuinely couldn't care less.
Then why'd reply to my post.
literally fighting over your slot in the bottom row... kek... even HOI and Kiff were never in that hell.
Frogs will always seethe about how Owl House not only was enjoyed but also had a good finale
Even their subreddit love it more than their own show, that's how hard Mutt dropped the ball in S3
Premiere ratings are not total ratings, or even total unique viewers. We also don't know how well each show did on international markets.
That said, I don't think ratings are the primary explanation for how Disney treated each show. One was late and overbudget, the other wasn't. I'd bet on that before a trivial 22K difference in premieres.
Indeed 22k is a pathetic number for TV. Both the Owl and Amphibia have really low viewership ratings. But, as you mentioned, the budget for the Owl trash was massively higher, so it's a good reason to cancel it.
Expensive show -> nobody watches it -> DeSantis removes out tax breaks so money suddenly matters -> cancel that trash and save some pocket money.
More like good riddance.
Personally, I wanted the show to end with Andrea and Molly having a fight to the death in the rain but clearly that won't happen since they're friends now.
They are still on opposite sides of the
>when the ghost world is sending its people, they are not sending their best
debate
>It was a good run
Was it really though?
Streaming content is a shit business model that basically rewards producing two seasons of any show to get new subscribers (while the delay between a 1st and 2nd seasons generates buzz) and then canning it immediately afterward.
I find funny how literally no one but frogtroons care about tribehomosexualry thing
It's only one moron that hasn't move on and he's not even a fan of Amphibia but some dumbass loud house gay that likes trolling with this tribe shit.
it died as it lived.
ignored.
yep I ignored Owl house alright
But seriously, should I watch this show? I do like cute brown girls.
its good, I liked it more than owl house, or amphibia
Alrighty then. If you suddenly start seeing numbered screencaps of Molly or any of the other girls, it means I started watching it.
God speed anon Here's one to start you off
Yes, anon, yes you should
Not anymore
Kek, the expressions and animation were the only things the show had going for it
t. LSMark
Your cartoon sucks by the way mark
Honestly surprised this Casper the Friendly Ghost fanfic got approved anyway, it has such a weak premise to begin with. the most it had going for it; was it wasn't another "girls goes into another world anime" and then she went to ghost world and it became less distinct and more of the same. The shallow LGBT stuff didn't help either as it was just misstep after misstep.
>only 2 seasons for ok show
They better not shit can Vikingskool, so far it's been my favorite Disney show in years, there not modern smartphone twitter jokes, there's no forced gay rep.
Can't I get a oldie but goodie of beret libby shooting ak-47s?
Good show, let the schizos seethe
Wtf didn't think show began last year?
>Premiered on October 1, 2021
Ending with 35ish episodes in a span of 2½ years sounds like a waste of money on the company's end. It didn't even reach the golden 52/104 episode mark which would be nice for syndication. This shit somehow had a worse run than the short lived cartoons that aired around 2008-2010 (Chowder and Flapjack). It is over.
having a lot of short-lived cartoons that everyone forgets existed in a few years is the norm for the Disney Channel
I have a crush on Andrea.
She really is adorable. Makes me sad she hasn't had as prominent a role in S2.
I wish I was a writer on the show. Then I could write myself into the show as a boy on a crush on her.
I'd intentionally write myself as a creep who gets comically killed off.
ok aline
t, fat, ugly, probably older, redheaded female
Andrea being attracted to morbidly obese people is so unbelievably and chaotically shitty of an idea im almost convinced this show exists entirely to just be a humilation ritual.
Or it was an obvious self-insert.
Yeah her design is pretty damn cute like most of what Justin Rodriguez does
KWABOTY
My darlings
why's her ass so fat, bros?
Post proof
(Her ass doesn’t appear to be fat, she just has a few moments of sticking it out)
pretty big and cute.
This is one show that I would love for all the main girls to be lesbians.
is it me or has episode 11 onward for season 2 been real mid so far? Like they put a ton of effort into the first three orders of ten episodes and now they're at the fourth order of ten episodes and they're just kinda spinning their wheels because they don't really know what else to do with the characters?
This show unironically felt like it forgot its own core character motivations and even its own selling point that being Molly helping Scratch find a bunch of locations throughout Brighton that are currently under spectral possession
But if anything baring maybe a few rare instances, the Ghosts in the Ghost Dimension mostly just stay there. Brighton is still a shithole the only difference is everyone is now fully aware that this the fault of Davenports.
They dont blame Andrea just her parents but that still doesnt stop the town from shopping there which feels like a metaphor on how people can hate soulless corporations but still shop at them in order to encourage their own protest
I’m gonna take a guess and assume that this ending’s gonna be a WOY-type one where it technically works as an ending to the show, but they make it super obvious they wanted to do more before getting canned?
Although it would be funny if it was some Star Vs genocide type shit, but I don’t think they would frick up THAT badly.
You really think Disney is going to risk another Star Vs ending that destroys the fanbase?
They are not THAT stupid
I just said I wasn't expecting that to happen...
Honestly to me, a lot of the issues some people have with Molly S2 come off as nitpicks compared to what the frick happened to Star, so I'd be geninuely shocked if they somehow managed to drop the ball even further than that.
Although I'm not necessarily against seeing Cinemaphile have another meltdown over this show either. These threads are always fun, lol.
For me it feels like the second half of s2 is just getting messy and ttgo-ish
>ttgo-ish
The frick is that supposed to mean
Well the problem is that they are cramming everything into one last season, when a lot of this stuff seems like it should have been stretched out further, but then again of course they did, since Disney only gave them two seasons and considering how things are now in the industry I don’t think they are getting more than that
>Disney only gave them two seasons
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they did such an aimless season 2 while knowing well that, in billybob's words, they only needed 2 and a half to tell their story. Was it just lies?
Maybe dude
Maybe Disney promised them three seasons but then cut it back down to two, with all that's been going in the industry that seems very likely
I'm gonna be perfectly real with you. Lets humor this show and propose the notion that the Davenports end up losing everything. You could on paper make a whole half season of Molly's family struggling to make the Davenports present themselves as ethnical business people only for them to learn just how deep their corruption goes and how obsessed they're with getting their bottom line and short term gains
You could even write a partial falling out between Andrea and Molly where Andrea goes thru the 5 stages of grief arguing with Molly how her father has a few obsessive bad habits when Molly then whips out a long track record of shit that she casually either didnt understand at the time or ignored
IE the McGee's trying to educate them the difference between "Optics" and "Ethics"
It will end like S1 with all being resolved and the writers having to start a new story if they ever get another one
I wanna know why S2 feels so empty but Bob during those Discord leaks was talking about how a lot more focus was gonna be on Andrea if they got a 3rd season since that fat lesbian girl was gonna be an Antagonist solely to give Andrea something to do
Literally no one wants this. They claim they do focus tests but if anything it just sounds like they make up bullshit and claim it happened despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
>Focus tests
There's the problem, focus groups suck.
>was talking about how a lot more focus was gonna be on Andrea if they got a 3rd season since that fat lesbian girl was gonna be an Antagonist solely to give Andrea something to do
Unless you post proof they said exactly that you're pulling this out of your ass, I never saw him say that in any of the discord stuff
The implication (if you check the live thread from the Ep that aired last week) someone posted a quote from Bob how Bob wanted to make that fat lesbian girl the new antagonist of the series but that could only happen if they were confirmed getting another season
That implies more focus was gonna be put on Andrea since she hasnt done jack shit all season since they redeemed her for nothing.
>someone posted a quote from Bob how Bob wanted to make that fat lesbian girl the new antagonist of the series
I can't find any of this, all I saw is that he said they would "explore it further", nothing about her being an antagonist. I think you're just making that part up.
>they redeemed her for nothing
They redeemed her so they could do different things with her, what do you expect, to have her be a big hero? Not a loreshit show owlgay
>They can do different things with her
What different things? Cinemaphile literally brought up LAST EP that Andrea and Molly feel more like acquaintances that occasionally interact when the plot apparently demands them to but most of this season Molly barely hangs out with Libby
Someone argued how Molly literally proved herself right and is now just distancing herself from her actual friends in favor of Scratch,
>What different things?
The entire last episode which wouldn't have happened if she was still a selfish b***h and Molly didn't like her. Or the period episode where she goes to the girls party. Or any of her miscellanous appearances like last episode where Molly wanted to go to her party but came late and missed it.
Be fricking realistic. Andrea was only in those Ep's not because it was important for her to be there but because Bill and Bob fell into a writers trap where they said to themselves "OK. When Andrea is not on screen, Molly and Libby should be asking where is Andrea."
This has been the biggest issue with Andrea. They want to make her nuanced but after the redemption happened they somehow decided "welp. We're done with that arc now."
Identical to Pacifica in everyway where once the Redemption happens people immediately complain how more focus isnt being put on her
Amazing how Andrea does all these things in various Ep's then gets put back in the box for 10 straight Ep's until they forgot "Oh wait...we forgot to take Andrea out of the box."
So first you say they barely use Andrea and then you compare her to Poochie, a character that was used too much. You don't know the meaning of that quote, do you
B-but you guys told me love wins back in 2020! Why is everything gay related being cancelled after a second season?!
Apathy
god damn disney got rid of this show fast. felt like it premiered only a few months ago
It came out back in 2021. It and 2022 flew by pretty fast.
It dawned on Disney (since they're slow) that literally no one gives a shit about musicals except maybe the smallest nichest of niche people possible
Like they somehow gas lit themselves into believing SoL shows like Phineas and Ferb got popular because of the musical segments which were good but not the sole reason people watched the show.
>It dawned on Disney (since they're slow) that literally no one gives a shit about musicals
Is that why they're releasing a musical this year?
And why they're releasing Moon Girl S2 next year with even more mixtape songs?
>Moon Girl
Literally fricking no one but social media sites like Reddit and this board are watching that shit. Dont act like you dont have the hard statistics there were more people watching Molly McGee before its massive dip then they were watching Moon Girl
Phineas and Ferb had musicals and its still popular.
And doesn't Disney have a High School Musical series?
I might be in the minority here, but I feel it was a mistake to have every single episode have a song, even if they weren't very long. Some are fine, but you have others that just seemed obligatory.
to be honest, the last batch of episodes left me disappointed.
I'm gonna miss you homies.
do you guys really think Baal and Beelzebub have committed to making "The End" a proper finale? will we get a flash forward with Molly and the girls? or will be it be a dud like SvTFOE finale where it was supposed to have a movie followup but instead ends on literal genocide ????
Gross Molly image
I won't miss the psychos.
Best Molly thread in the history of Cinemaphile btw
Molly a shit
Amphibia is the only good DTVA show in the last 5 years
this thread got me to watch the first episode of this... it's actually pretty good and molly is cuter than i expected
great expressions as well
Watch for the animations alone, that itself is better than anything on TV right now.
what's funny is that i met one of the season 2 animators just the other week by chance and i had no idea about it aside from andrea thanks to some guy drawing a bunch of fanart of her
Woah wait what?! How did you meet them? Online? Because I’ve also seen a couple of the animators online including one who did some Phoenix Wright animations in the style of Molly McGee.
Hey if you talk them again tell them, “Thank you. You guys an insanely good job, and your work turned a show into the most well animated one out there, we’re all grateful for that.” Because if there’s one thing I hope people take away from this show, is that you can do more with animation when it comes to animation acting. You CAN be more expressive, you CAN go off model, and you don’t have to use stock animation styles or expressions. I remember Justin Rodriguez in his Molly McGee model sheets saying that you can always come up with a unique expression for Molly, it’s like he took Ren and Stimpy’s “never the same face twice” idea and ran with it. Frick the critics like LSMark who b***h about cartoons “too cartoony”, the fact that Molly McGee was cartoony is what made it stand out
You know you can just DM them on Twitter, right?
Im an introverted frick anon, sorry
in person actually
it was a rather recent meetup (if you know you know)
unfortunately i wasn't able to find them at the after party and have a drink with them
Yeah it’s a pretty bleak time for the industry right now, but it’s not the first crash, we had a pretty big one in the late 00s and afterwards we had a lat of new shows, makes me wonder what will come out of this crash
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That ace attorney art is pretty great
Molly McGee's style is like Olive Oil, it goes great with anything. Seriously, it is so strange, you can take any character and out them in Molly's style and it sometimes fits even better than the original style as was the case with that Amphibia Molly McGee fanart
trucy wright NEURON ACTIVATION
>It’s another episode of Cinemaphile watching a kids show for the “””waifus””” and declaring it to be da bestest only to get canceled within 3 seasons
What drives you people to torture yourself like this?
Is it finally about time We jumped ship from TGAMM to "Kiff", Anons?
KiffBlack folk are delusional as frick like the frogtribegays and the owlBlack folk
I'll stick with this instead.
>A cheap European import that isn't even made by Disney TVA.
oh yeah can't wait to see how Season 3 of Vikingskool compares to, oh wait Molly isn't getting one.
feels like so many great shows are being cut short
Welcome to the post-Streaming bubble burst animation industry anon, and with the writer’s strike it might get worse
not only animation but it seems the discovery merger is causing a lot of other shows to come to cancellation as well (rip joe pera)
If america was as open to light cheesecake and fanservice as japan and france then we might have gotten a few more seasons out of this show.
Might as well post the screenshot for this week's episode while the thread's still up.
Damn
I enjoyed season one a lot more than expected, but I think it feels like it was happy to end there. The show's whole story arc was about Molly befriending Scratch, Libby, enhappifying the town, and dealing with the ghost council. All of that was developed and resolved in a nice conclusive way. Outside of touching upon Scratch's old life and Libby's father I feel like season two has more of an epilogue feel.
>epilogue feel
you mean filler episodes in the latter half of season one feel
I wish Andrea actually bonded with her family more like the way Molly bonds with hers. Like frick just a few Ep's
One idea I had for an Ep was during the "Snow Day" Ep where since everyone in town outright refused to leave their homes because it was sub-below freezing outside you could have had Andrea being elated with joy she gets to spend it bonding with her family but Maxwell being like "Phhh....miss a day's profit? Not on my watch. No snow storm is keeping me from going to work."
For the best in clothing, beauty, and sports!
Spend your money at Davenport's!
Unironically the last we ever see of Andrea's old personality.
She could've been Molly's friend while still keeping her old personality, was it so hard for Bald and Bankrupt to do?
I like the idea that Molly would have saw Andrea as like a "Long Term" project where friendship would be the end result of her peeling back all the aspects about her character that were likely wrapped around her by her father but nothing ever came of that
Maxwell is like a worse even more generic version of Preston the way Andrea is just Pacifica but worse.
The problem with taking the friendship with Andrea that direction is Scratch was supposed to fill that part of a character who's quite antagonistic to Molly but slowly warms up to her.
Since Andrea was originally meant to be a shallow villain, I don't think Build a Bear ever considered anything beyond Andrea becoming Molly's BFF due to a good deed, they just didn't have time to rewrite things to accommodate another character similar to Scratch.
Oh believe me you're underselling that fact
Bill and Bob genuinely dont understand why Cinemaphile liked Andrea it was 100% for coom brain related reasons. They saw a Dumb Airheaded E-Girl with Daddy Issues and they were like "SOLD! SAY LESS SHE'S PERFECT CHANGE NOTHING."
It reminded me of that Twitter poll that Alex Hirsch did which made him furiously disgusted with his own fanbase where Pacifica, a character he used to hate passionately was voted as the #1 female character in the show despite being a comedy villain and foil for Mabel
Meanwhile Mabel ranked DEAD LAST. Her fricking friends we're higher then she was. I also remember Wendy coming in 2nd.
>character he used to hate passionately
Why?
Back when Alex couldnt decide if GF was gonna be a 2 season show or a 3 season show (because he is wildly inconsistent about the details) Alex made up his mind that Preston was a Chud (long before the term became common place) so therefore ALL of Pacifica's family were just like him
...Then Matt and Dana reigned in Alex's autism and decided randomly and without warning "You know maybe it wouldnt be so bad to have Pacifica to get some character outside of being pretty and rich."
And like clockwork, the fanbase decided that all Pacifica's character amounted to at that moment was being an outlet for Dipper to put all his mystery related stress relief into
Andrea's role wasn't going to be to become a girl bully friend-tagonist to Molly in my ideal headcanon, that would be Tammy's role, she was going to be more a friend whose oblivious snobiness gets her into trouble, a role which has actually worked well for her in season 2. I've not had any issues with Andrea's character in the second season so far, other than obviously the self-insert landwhale lover, and the fact that despite their friendship coming out stronger at the end of the Period episode it still hasn't felt like a proper friendship trio, in fact, Molly barely hangs out with either of them after that.
God this show was such wasted potential
This whole show makes such odd decisions like inviting all these expensive actors to voice these characters but despite this Andrea's mom has spoken maybe like 1 and a half sentences worth of dialogue for a total of 2 seasons
Maxwell has shown up maybe like what...5 times? Total?
When S2 dropped the episode titles and Cinemaphile was only really fixating on the Period Ep (since every other Ep was super boring and paint by numbers) I was under the belief that there was gonna be pre-set limits to how accepting towards minimalism Andrea was gonna be
You need to remember that the whole gag from S1 where she encourages everyone in Brighton to accept living in moderation despite not living in moderation herself. I thought that was half the point of Maxwell drafting plans to expand Davenports.
This is gonna sound like a strange comparison but do you remember at the end of the 1st Spongebob movie the reason why Mr Krabs opened a second restaurant was to give Spongebob a manigerial role
I thought this was Maxwell's plan for Andrea. Maxwell would be the CEO but Andrea would be promoted from "Advertisements" to full on Middle Management where she would be able to boss other Davenport employees around.
>Molly barely hangs out with either of them after that
We're going zombie FOP in one season, it's so sad.
Do Hacklet Falls fans actually believe this?
Pacifica was redeemed only because of fan support, and even then, Hirsch did it in a half-assed sort of way. She was utterly wasted in the finale. She was sort of punished too in the end, though it was more directed at Preston. And Preston was a straight up evil character, it was implied he was outright abusive to Pacifica.
Maxwell, I never got the feeling he was a villain. Sure, he did greedy shit, and told his daughter to wait for a hug, and apparently there was some "he's going to tear down a forest to build a warehouse" plotline that went nowhere, but he also did shit like save Brighton's Christmas and seemed to actually be quite warm to Molly and Andrea's friendship. He also cares for his daughter very much. He doesn't quite deserve to lose EVERYTHING and hopefully he gets some sort of decent closure.
For context, that comment that Maxwell made about his "future development plans for Davenports" was (kinda) paid off with Davenports On Demand and then just ended prematurely since Andrea was the catalyst for this because she accidentally created a new outlet for Maxwell to funnel all his selfishness and greed into
We have not see Andrea's family since but we're likely gonna see them probably side with that other billionaire dude who will buy Davenports from them for a massive cash settlement since Maxwell will go where the money takes him.
it'll be okay anon, i'll never stop spreading the davenport brand.
I will hard reboot Andrea's terrible personality for one that is more fitting towards her design
A brat
In need of correction.
her personality is perfect, the writing mistake was making her another cis lesbian instead of a based narcisstic trans girls/femboy. but that's okay, headcanons triumph all.
of course being bratty can be fun too.~
I can imagine andrea munching all the carpets in her store KEK
Only the red one's because Andrea likes obese red Heads
Sell me your panties.
i totally would if i knew how to, could totally use the money on more frivolous things.
Andrea, you're making this difficult in my pants.
Let me ask you something, little girl:
Have you ever been with a man?
It just seems so short.
Aimless. To all the people who think all the problems in regards to this show started at the beginning of S2 need to go back and watch the later half of S1B and realize the decline actually started there.
Molly was never good and never had a chance at becoming an Owl House level phenomenon, gay lesbians or not.
Molly is very cute and funny thats why she had fans in the 1st place
You're aware the Molly fandom is like majority coomers right?
who's talking about coomers? the post is about how Molly was never a good show and it doesn't look like Hailey will be any different, the plot progression on that thing is basically nonexistent.
Correct. And it, Molly, Amphibia and Owl House all have the same coomer fanbase what is your point?
Molly is a bad show and Owl House wasn't, hence why the inclusion of gays and lesbians didn't save it.
Get serious they were both bad shows who appealed only to coomers.
Owl House has shit animation and god awful designs tho, so Molly wins
gayet
>god awful designs
have you seen the second picture in this thread? say what u want about owl but at least we dont have that
Its fight scenes we're OK but they for the most part peak in S1 and that is entirely just Lilith vs Eda
in the end, all those shows were shit and you are all pedos. have a nice day
Can someone explain to me why Andrea wearing trans-color clothes?
bc she has pp
She isn’t.
The frogs are dead, the owls have been shot, and the ghosts have died.. see you soon
Shit art
Pedos
Well, it seems like last week's episode basically killed the Molly McGee fandom, but to be fair, the number was dwindling already.
76,000 people
I have never seen a number that low for a show that has a budget big enough to hire all these expensive actors to Voice Act for characters that we hardly ever see. Its eerily similar to Steven Universe which had the same problem and twice as many musicals.
you are all pedos, The End.