the ending doesnt make any sense.
the redditor theory that he died in the restaurant especially doesnt make any sense. Phil is out of the way and his own crew betrayed him. there is literally no character that could have wanted him dead at that point in time.
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why would you be worried about spoiling a show that ended 17 years ago
This is one of the three shows zoomers watch after first coming to this board.
What are the other 2? Breaking Bad and the Wire?
go back
Right after you tell me what the other two are.
I don't give a frick you tasteless dweeb
You know nothing of my tastes. I never said Breaking Bad or The Wire are good shows. I only suspected they were the two shows that zoomers watch when they come on this board.
You're response doesn't even make sense. Am I talking to an AI?
>you are response
it was a drama that accidentally became the greatest comedy
>>you are response
it really does come off like a concession of defeat whenever someone has to focus on a mistyped response instead of actually evaluating what they said
>You know nothing of my tastes
imagine unironically typing this out and hitting send wtf
supernatural and dr who
Dr Who is constantly spammed, as of late, but I don't think I've ever seen a Supernatural thread on this board.
I will always hate you morons the most.
Let's say you were someone who could get spoilered about this and care. Even if it wasn't spoilered, why would you keep reading after the sentence "the ending doesn't make any sense" if you don't wanna know the ending?
He knows too much and is on the run. New York was just tying up loose ends.
filtered
I never watched the show btw
you genuinely should start immediately anon
I can't watch mafia shows because I don't care about any of these characters, they're just buttholes
>they're just buttholes
says more about you than maybe you should be letting on in public bud
Italiomutt cope
The Wire is far superior
the wire is for sheltered dweebs
awful writing and cinematography too
Everyone wanted him dead. He was and incompetent and unpopular boss, the few that were left were either rats or actively plotting against him. If Tony dies, then Jersey dies for good and New York will absorb them into their crew once and for all
>there is literally no character that could have wanted him dead at that point in time
The fundamental question is, will he be as effective as a boss like his dad was now that all obstacles to power are taken out and he can absorb the NJ family into his own?
After all the bloodshed when he first tried to take the crown and what happened to johnny philly and phils succesor he would be dumb to take the crown. Too much heat and the postion is clearly cursed.
he said explicitly that he wanted out. he's rich and accomplished in his own right, he doesn't have to risk his life in order to be slightly richer
When I saw "his dad" I thought the spoiler image would be Jackie Jr. I'm disappointed
The real ending is that after years of broadcast and becoming the most popular show in tv history, Chase had no fricking clue on how to end it so just came up with this cop out and used the excuse of it really being some sort of subversive post modern commentary on the American life or whatever. Years later he confirmed that it was really Tony dying, but this was years after fans theorized that this is what it REALLY meant and he was just going along with it to cover his tracks more.
Im of the opinion that people in general put way too much stock into how a show or movies ends. It doesnt always have to be some amazing shocking resolution or epic twist ect. and it doesnt take away from the rest of the show which was great. The point isnt to finish the show to get to the end anyway.
The real ending is that everything worked out uninterestingly and that Tony eventually died some time in the future. The ending is bait for everyone on the edge of their seat to see the big finale. Meadow taking forever to park, the Don't Stop Believing ruined orgasm. Chase gave however many seasons of stories and endings and that's just it. They negotiated with New York, Tony's going to Hell, all the big stuff happened already. Your second paragraph nails it.
Chase clarified that he died though
its not even remotely debatable to begin with and never was
if i punch you in the face and then i clarify that it's never happened, would you believe me?
Yeah, like two years ago after a decade of fans coming to a mutual conclusion that thats what the ending really means.
This is really no different from when JK Rowling said all these characters in her stories were gay years after the fact just to get diversity points.
So Tony was gay the whole time?
If something isn't actually in the show/movie/etc. then the creator's opinion of it doesn't matter. They don't get to define people's interpretation of something that they deliberately did not depict.
spoken like an actual troony
he literally didn't. that was a quote taken out of context about the original ending with season 4
it's a fantastic show and I've got fond memories watching it with my brother. Yeah, the ending was meh but as you said, the ride is what counts. There isn't another show with so many kino moments, in my opinion.
He never revealed that the ending was Tony dying. What he did say was that there was an ending planned where it was strongly implied that Tony died from Phil's hands but that's it. I honestly think the point was simply that it literally doesn't matter whether he lives or dies. He's either getting whacked or he's going to jail. Even if somehow he's not, he's degenerated into something very, very evil and will have to suffer that existence.
>he's degenerated into something very, very evil and will have to suffer that existence.
reddit take
he was a good man who loved his family period
you uppity homosexual
Loved his 'nephew' chwistofuh enough to kill him. Loved his wife enough to be extremely adulterous. Loved his son enough to basically ignore him and just not raise him but instead spoil him. C'mon, the love for his family might've been genuine in a way, like in the extreme situation where AJ is drowning himself in the pool and Tony finally expresses a lot of love, but in the day-to-day stuff, he was being the complete opposite of what he wanted his son to be and the only personal time I remember Tony spending with AJ was gorging on sweets or playing video games. Those aren't bad to do with your kid, but if it's all you ever did, that's not much. Perhaps he did love his family, but he acted very poorly on that love.
not reading all that nerd
>I gave you a high effort poast.... and you spit in my face.
if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd be able to explain it simply
instead of being an overly verbose try hard
I genuinely doubt you understand this shit better than me and that's funny
If you had anything persuasive to say in the slightest to anyone, you'd have said it by now instead of baiting me. But I don't mind the bait, I got to express some thoughts of mine I wanted to say about the show for a little while.
Listen I am sorry dad beat your ass/ left you.
That does not excuse your behavior.
>he was a good man
you dont actually believe this lmao he was a piece of shit
yeah but he didnt in the end you fricking idiot. he made it.
what am i supposed to see in that picture?
>Paulie literally tried to kill Tony in the hospital by deliberately talking about stressful shit when he was instructed to keep it positive
that was just him being an idiot lmao he wasnt trying to kill him
>Paulie also resented the entire Soprano family, from being passed over to actively courting/snitching to Johnny Sac
happened just once
>wearing Eugene's jacket
oh shit, i forgot about that guy
this seems plausible if its true
>you dont actually believe this lmao he was a piece of shit
if you've ever lived in the real world in any meaningful way, you'd understand
>durr hurr if you lived in the real world you'd know that cheating on your wife with hundreds of prostitutes and killing your nephew and your best friend are totally things that a good man does
you're a soft handed b***hmade homosexual bucko
chase has a boner for ambiguity like in those yurop movies he worships
Did they do this for GOT too?
got ending was fine except for the dorky weener kid getting the throne
Even if he didnt die (which he did) it was all crumbling down, all his major captains were dead, his ties to NY were completely done
>his ties to NY were completely done
how? the New York guys themselves wanted Phil gone
>Paulie
aint no way, he loved him lmao
>Patsy
Patsy could have killed him if he found out about his brother, but there is nothing suggesting that
yeah this is probably it. many such cases with these moronic "obscure" endings.
butchie was still mad about tony holding him at gunpoint, the fact that they called a truce just to get rid of that moron phil doesn't mean absolutely that they're all friends again.
paulie is an opportunistic two faced untrustworthy scumbag, and his appreciation for tony remarkably decreased over the course of the series. like when he got played by johnny sack while he was mad that he got passed over by ralph, then he wanted to outright change families and go work for new york
patsy said explicitly to gigi that he KNEW who did it and was this close to shoot tony from outside his window but then he decided to piss in his pool instead
>paulie is an opportunistic two faced untrustworthy scumbag, and his appreciation for tony remarkably decreased over the course of the series. like when he got played by johnny sack while he was mad that he got passed over by ralph, then he wanted to outright change families and go work for new york
yeah but he would never go as far as killing him come on, it doesnt make any sense
>patsy said explicitly to gigi that he KNEW who did it and was this close to shoot tony from outside his window but then he decided to piss in his pool instead
he clearly changed his mind afterwards, why the frick would he wait 10 years to kill him?
revenge is a dish best served cold anon
>Patsy could have killed him if he found out about his brother, but there is nothing suggesting that
He knew about his brother, which is why he went to Tony's drunk once and was gonna shoot him. Tony told him he leaves that shit behind and he agreed. He knew but still remained loyal.
If anything it was NY being backstabbers, easy out for them. They blame the Phil hit on them and get revenge for it despite saying they wouldn't.
Chase even said he originally was gonna have Tony going to a meeting in NY and NY kills him but he changed it to a Diner because he said Tony would visit a place like that.
Which is equally fricking stupid because throughout the entire fricking show, Tony was always eating at high class places, not a fricking dive, lol.
>In the mood for classic american slop
We all are disgusting sometimes. Also if he never went to such "dives" then it'd be a perfect place to have a proper dinner with his family where he can spoil them (his best quality when it comes to love) but also no mafioso finding him. It failed in the end due to Tony thinking he was safe before the war was over.
>Chase even said he originally was gonna have Tony going to a meeting in NY and NY kills him but he changed it to a Diner because he said Tony would visit a place like that.
moron
that ending was the original ending for the series in season 4. you've taken the quote completely out of context
fat fricking moron
we don't sign our posts here
>aint no way, he loved him lmao
Paulie has shown that he was willing to betray Tony to New York. He was even ready to jump ship and try to head over to join them. The only reason he stays with Tony is after Carmine doesn't recognize him he realizes that Johnny Sack was just milking him for information. Paulie was all too happy to tell Sack what kind of shit Tony was up to.
>Patsy could have killed him if he found out about his brother, but there is nothing suggesting that
You mean like when he showed up drunk to Tony's house with a gun, but instead opted out of killing the boss of the family and settled for pissing in his pool?
You're also forgetting the random conversations that Patsy and Paulie were having, that if you go back and pay attention to quite clearly reveals that they are plotting against Tony. It's alluded to in dreams, like Tony's fever dreams where he's on the pier.
>Silvio tells Tony "Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself."
>Immediately afterwards Tony looks through those binocular things and sees himself shoot Paulie while they're playing cards
>Paulie
>aint no way, he loved him lmao
You realize that Paulie knew that Tony was on the verge of killing him a few episodes before the finale?
>You realize that Paulie knew that Tony was on the verge of killing him a few episodes before the finale?
he wasn't on the verge of killing him lol. and even if he was Paulie definitely didn't know it, since he kept being a big mouth the whole time.
Why were they both so awkward on the boat ride?
there was no boat ride (?)
it was a dream, wasnt it?
>There were plenty of motives and guys to pull the trigger
but there werent at that point lol, he was king of his shitty hill again.
obviously he was considering it, but "on the verge of" is an exaggeration
Paulie has been superstitious the whole show, it isnt out of character
what am i supposed to be reading in that red circle?
>the random conversations that Patsy and Paulie were having, that if you go back and pay attention to quite clearly reveals that they are plotting against Tony
i must have not paid attention to those. do you have some examples?
>Paulie getting flashbacks to Pussy's death when going on the boat
>Tony bringing up if Johnny Sack and the mole remark, asking Paulie if he told him and Paulie getting all defensive
>Tony literally pondering at the knife when he gets up and getting frustrated at being split on what to do
>Paulie freaking out when Tony throws him a can
Everything about the boat scene was to show how close Tony was to whacking him
This post hit the nail on the head. How could anyone miss it tho lmao.
>he wasn't on the verge of killing him lol. and even if he was Paulie definitely didn't know it, since he kept being a big mouth the whole time.
So you're just a moron that misses any context that isn't explicitly stated
you are a fricking moron
Paulie literally tried to kill Tony in the hospital by deliberately talking about stressful shit when he was instructed to keep it positive
Paulie also resented the entire Soprano family, from being passed over to actively courting/snitching to Johnny Sac
Point is moot anyway, as it was clearly a hitman who was wearing Eugene's jacket.
Eugene's wife inherited his newfound cash when he hung himself
And the wife (rightfully) blamed Tony for his death, she hired someone from the outside to do the job
If he did die, it would have been Patsy and Paulie. Kind of curious that his guardian angel (Meadow) was late and they made a point to show it.
If he didn't die, it doesn't matter because his life was over anyway.
https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/
finally somebody with a not moronic take. The ending made sense. It's just the end of the story you see. It's mafia life, it never ends, he continues to live, and you figure out how his life ended, probably like his father -- not by arrest or murder, but by health.
The real ending is that the show killed you, the audience.
Remember the talk about being shot in the head? How you wouldn’t even hear a gun shot?
>Remember the talk about being shot in the head? How you wouldn’t even hear a gun shot?
what?
a few episodes before bobby and tony are discussing what its like to die and they both come to the conclusion that you dont even notice it. Suddenly your just out.
NTA but I read about this take somewhere. I forgot the fancy French term for it, but the point about the viewer being "killed" is that you're suddenly jolted out of your immersion with the reminder that the show isn't real and that you might need to touch grass. I could get it because I really, really was immersed in the show and I could relate therefore with the feeling of sort of 'forgetting' that it's all fiction. But to achieve takes some real skill from the show makers, which speaks to the show's quality.
Literally the same season
>the show killed you, the audience.
reddit take
really really gay, Tony died man
It isn't some puzzle to figure out. Tony was killed. The point was he was a walking dead man one way or another. There were plenty of motives and guys to pull the trigger. It was all ogre one way or another.
>It isn't some puzzle to figure out.
I'll never understand the types of homosexuals who can't just watch kino and go along for the ride without turning it into fricking homework like a simp
Tony died. The moment he killed Christopher, he was a dead man.
you are all wrong. the true ending is that the fade to black is him finally getting his lights punched out by the Hasidic Homeboy himself.
>last episode
>"Hey Paulie, why don't you want to take over the crew"
>Uh...uh...it's cursed and I beat cancer and uh...I just don't want to
LiGmA?
Grow up.
The Aprile crew is cursed. He was right
The Vipers killed Tony. Don't mess with the Vipers.
The other families might have killed him for killing Phil. It's not enough that Butchie gave him the okay, that's not Butchie's decision to make. To kill a boss you have to get the permission of the commission, the heads of all five families.
How fricking stupid do you have to be to have the entire season spell out the fact that Tony is going to die and still miss it?
>Running joke is that 2 black men are always blamed for a mafia-related murder, two of them walk into the diner
>Members-only guy going to the bathroom at 3 o'clock from Tony's POV like Chrissy predicted when he almost died, also gives him a clear shot
>Flashback earlier in the episode to Bobby saying "You probably don't hear it coming"
Idk, seems like he died to me
>There is literally no character wanted him dead at that point
Lol Lmao. Room temp take.
>Phil is out of the way
This is where you're wrong, bucko. Phil was a house. The house always wins.
Brainlet in action.
Just finished this, personal canon is that he never woke from the coma and the family pulled the plug.
Also frick saints of Newark, how do you drop the ball so hard?!?!
Disregard anything modern involving old IP
Only fresh IP has a chance in hell of being any good
You know who loved Sopranos threads, was Joey Peeps.
Why did Christopher have to die?
Was it jealousy? Karma for murking his AA friend?
Is there any kino like sapranos?
he was a worthless junkie loser
>Is there any kino like sapranos?
no
pure headcanon
why do you homosexuals think this show is so good?
post 9/11 and the mom dead you can tell Chase had no plan for the show and just wanted to cry about his mommy issues more
you can skip season 3 on and its objectively a better show
>post 9/11 and the mom dead you can tell Chase had no plan for the show and just wanted to cry about his mommy issues more
speedwatcher tier take
Not liking popular things does not make you interesting anon.
there you go with that womanly tone again
>not having burnt out dopamine receptors and actually being able to enjoy things is womanly
frick I am glad to not have to live like you, jesus christ what a pathetic excuse for an existence.
yeesh, that time of the month anon?
It's okay anon, I'll let you keep this facade up because not only is it quite evident you have nothing interesting to say, but also because this is the closest you'll ever get to actually talking to a woman.
lil boy is BOILING, you're this mad cuz I don't like your favorite show?
I accept your concession, this was too easy
>.t
oh look it's the I accept your concession guy being a total obtuse homosexual again
frick off back to making gaddon and MC content threads you mentally ill moron
many of the shows best episodes and moments are after S2. contrarian takes dont work on Sopranos brother
He was too unreliable with the addictions, he was a liability to Tony
Also the fact he could have killed his daughter (the branch piercing the kiddie seat) but I think Tony just uses that excuse to justify the murder
>but I think Tony just uses that excuse to justify the murder
yep, he whacked every liability he had
the only exception is when he sent the old guy back to prison instead of killing him
Mad Men is heavy on family squabbles, drama, and betrayal.
No violence and much less comedy though.
On my shortlist of all-time faves though, including Sopranos
>Why did Christopher have to die?
tony groomed him as the heir to the throne
and chrissy threw it all away because he was a total junkie loser dipshit
its tragic
Well for starters, he almost killed Tony by driving him while he was fricking high and going to a meeting high.
He was just too high of a liability, always causing Tony issues.
He got picked up by the feds for killing his AA friend, very likely got flipped. Him wearing the hat to the meet indicated he was wearing a wire (whether it was a hat one or not, it was a visual que for the audience), he cranked the stereo in the car because he was feeling guilty about wearing a wire and wanted the music to make the wire useless.
The irony of this is none of it actually mattered to Tony, he was completely unaware Christopher had flipped because he was too self-centred to realise that Christopher was completely alienated from the crew. He killed him because he finally realised how dangerously unreliable Christopher was due to his drug addiction and alcoholism, seeing the car crashed and the branch through the baby seat was Tony's wakeup call.
shut the frick up moron
this is why sopranos is the greatest, including this ive read like 3 takes today that ive never heard of or considered and ive been into the show for over half a decade, the other thing I heard was the prevalence of wind in the final season as a symbol all connected to the ojibwe quote
>the prevalence of wind in the final season as a symbol all connected to the ojibwe quote
any examples of wind in S6? All I can remember is the ep where he leaves the hospital, I think it was windy outside, iirc.
go back
u-uh okay
tony stares up at the wind as it shifts to the windy trees above the kid that Paulie beats up that was kayaking
the lazy eye guy talking to Phil on the phone explaining why Tony isn't dead yet
he's all bundled up and the wind is blowing a shitload
the guy he was walking with dips out too when the wind gets too strong
chris had to die to make the show one of the best ever, who else could you kill outside Tony's direct family that would have such a large impact
I watched the ending years ago because I'm not a zoomer, so I don't remember it this well, but the guy Tony was at war with in the final season eventually contracted an outside killer, and although the guy got killed and Tony "won" the mob war, the killer, who was most likely hired through a chain of people was not aware his contractor was dead so he still went ahead with the hit job.
this is literally the only time I've seen one of you dipshits get it right
this is exactly correct and how I interpreted it on my first viewing as well
its been a bit, but isnt there a fairly significant amount of time between those events?
Canonically I mean, not episode wise.
Tony didn't get the good news and run right out to the diner.
>but there are certain people looking over our shoulders right now
who was vito referring to?
>me, looking at her cleavage
You dumbass homosexuals still debate this shit? Tony died. Plenty of foreshadowing like Bobby saying “You probably don’t even hear it when it happens.” Members Only guy shown entering restaurant, sitting down, then going to bathroom, then next time we hear the door, black. Boom, lights out MC. Now stfu about it, I’ve said my piece.
>I’ve said my piece.
Who asked?
OP did since morons can’t make sense of an ending that’s literally spelled out for you with the scenes just not with expository dialogue so normies are filtered to this day
>morons can’t make sense of an ending that’s literally spelled out for you
Black person please, it was left ambiguous incase they wanted to do more for any reason at all. It was only years later and after James died that Chase decided to comment on his moronic reasoning for the way it ended.
>it was left ambiguous
Jesus fricking Christ
eat shit moron, you're like the homosexual trying to act like he's smarter than he is
not him but you're genuinely moronic if you think that the Sopranos' ending was ambiguous
>not him
you're him
The Silvio scene is WAY more foreshadowey IMO. I've accidentally discharged a gun a single time almost 20 years ago and I'll never forget the rining in my ears happening before I actually felt my hand move (it was pointed in the air and no one was hurt)
I heard about the ambiguity of the ending before watching the show and was shocked by how unambiguous it was. Even the first episode has him talking about getting his brains blown out in a restaurant. The last couple seasons set it up as the only thing that could possibly happen in that last scene…especially by the shows own rules of foreshadowing and payoff. The Kennedy and Lincoln’s stuff, Bobby on the boat, that the guys who popped Phil keep important details from Tony, therefore Tony’s guard is down when it would have been up had he known, the members only jacket, at your three o clock, Paulie dealing with NY, having Judas silver….it goes on and on and on. What do people want an asterisk during the black screen…”Tony was shot in the head”?
Boomers couldn't comprehend MCs dying. It's also how Game of thrones early seasons blew everyone's minds.
>densitymaxxed
The Vipers got him
>Montage of FBI surveilling Tony Soprano while "I'll Be Watching You" plays as non-diagetic music.
David Chase is a genius. This show is even better than Sons of Anarchy and Lucifer.
i don't like those scenes though
Upon looking up Eugene (couldnt remember his name) I stumbled across the fact that Johnny Cakes actually killed himself
Sad shit, i didnt know that
If you are confused at all by the ending you are genuinely moronic. Not even trolling. It's not interpretive, you're just straight up fricking dumb.
>poster count doesnt go up
stop same gayging moron
We can all see it
they even replay the scene where bobby says to tony "You probably don't even hear it when it happens, right?" in the final episode or the one before. They did that for all the dumbass viewers that wouldn't (and still don't) understand the ending
The last season was so gay. Endless episodes of "omg look Tony is sooooo evil" and then Philly Reatardo's sudden 180 to being the main villain. Like even at their most tense, Philly didn't want to kill Tony because he didn't want to kill a boss. Then suddenly he decides that he wants to kill his whole family because the writers realize they don't have enough conflict for their big finale.
Couldve done without the prolonged Vito arc
But in terms of scrambling for an ending, Sopranos did it better than most, not perfect, but better than most
i really liked Vito before his character became nothing but gay captain who wants to be boss. Early S6 he was very entertaining its a shame they had to drag him down like that
When I was a cringe teenager I thought Tony was sympathetic. Now I realize the entire show is about showing the audience he's an irredeemable psychopath who gets what he deserves.
when you actually grow up you'll realize he was a good man who loved his family and did literally not one thing wrong
homosexual
I wonder if Tony felt any real sympathy or remorse after Vin Makazian died? To me that's the real litmus test of whether he's a psychopath.
>loved his family
>literally could not stop cheating on his wife for more than a day
It wasn't even a few indiscretions with Tony. The guy was fricking a different woman every week.
>Vin Makazian
He hung himself right? I actually dont remember him dying, just the cops getting him from the shower.
Yes.
Tony seems reflective after that madame tells him that Vin genuinely respected and liked Tony. I think that was the thing with Tony, there's implied backstory that there were a very few people he did cut some slack to concerning debns for whatever reason.
No he jumped off a frickin bridge
>The guy was fricking a different woman every week.
yes anon that's what life is like for handsome charismatic non-incels
but I digress
>Vin Makazian
Tony didn't even like him though, he was just useful.
chase was pissed people liked Tony. i know he didn't write every episode but he had to approve every episode, Tony might have always had that malice in him, or it's off screen and we don't see it, but it comes to the front in seasons 5 and 6
He always had it in him and it is very clearly shown in the show that he is a psychopath. That's what pissed Chase off. His words, paraphrased: "I showed you him beat, rob and steal for years and now you desperately want him to live?"
Yeah, Tony can be kind sometimes. Gentle. Even a good father and husband. So can plenty of psychopaths. That's the whole point of his character. The specific thing about Tony is that he is not treatable though. He's a lost cause. Which is why Melfi stopped treating him.
A realistic appraisal of The Sopranos should have been that he was a dead man walking the moment he stopped going to therapy after Melfi had this realization (that she was nothing but a cathartic enabler for Tony).
>womanly tone
>reddit spacing
i hate this show and all its fans
And yet you've been poasting in this thread for over an hour you moron.
name a better tv show, you can't
mad men and that's basically it
no, you're quoting chrissy
chase said he got got
made it to episode 6 of mad men and dropped it
pathetic
I watched the entirety of S1 of Mad Men and maybe like 2 of S2 and it really wasn't that good. When does it get better than sopranos?
stick to breaking bad you ugly homo
asked you a simple question when does it get good when S1 was so mediocre? Also you dont tell me to stick to breaking bad, I call breaking bad fans gays all day for thinking its even close to Sopranos quality.
what was the right decision with the Bobby/Vito dispute for that matter? just watched the ep and I was wondering myself who deserves it, feels like Vito does but he already gets way more money than Bobby but he is captain
>asked you a simple question when does it get good when S1 was so mediocre?
if you have to ask you should just bail bro it's not for you
you're a filtered weak ass b***h and you should genuinely go back bud
>what was the right decision with the Bobby/Vito dispute for that matter?
Probably Bobby. He seems like hes got a legit claim, and at least got some support for it looking at Paulie and Chrissy's comments. Vito has a ton of money already, and hes not nearly as loyal as Bobby.
The idea that hes a hecking psychopath is cringe, and the show became cringe when it embraced it in the last seasons. Going "the protagonist is actually super duper evil" a cheap way to signal complexity that really just takes away nuance. Tony was much better in the earlier seasons because he acts like a person with different, and often conflicting, traits instead of literally satan who just does evil things for no reason.
Chase was a homosexual that hated the mob. Nothing wrong with that, but he wanted to soil the character he created because of it.
tony being a sociopath is only mentioned in season 6
Chase was mad that people liked him so much and didn't like how people enjoyed the banter between Tony's crew. Its why the show takes on such a gay grimdark tone after the mom died irl
Seasons 3 and 4 still had a lot of levity. The grimdark didn't settle in until season 5. Season 4 has one of Tony's most interesting character moments too, when he kills Ralphie over the horse on the surface, but really kills him over the hoo-er Ralphie killed in season 3. Its a great encapsulation of how Tony buries his more human emotions and channels them into other places. It was apparently so subtle that it flew over Chase's head.
>Going "the protagonist is actually super duper evil"
He's not evil. He's just Cluster B. It doesn't rob Tony of his complexity to acknowledge this. Stop being a baby. The mob are indeed bad you colossal fricking moron.
>saying Tony is an irredeemable psycopath that gets what he deserves doesn't rob him of his complexity
How does he not deserve to die? And he's not irredeemable, he's just not treatable because he uses his sessions with Melfi as a catharsis to vent and feel better about himself. There's an implicit and explicit critique of psychiatry there (the latter with the israelite shrink and Carmella, the former with Tony and Melfi). Namely that Melfi entertains Tony as this figure who so obviously must have some childhood or adolescent trauma that needs to be worked out in order for him to become a good person, and it turns out to be total bs.
>How does he not deserve to die?
Maybe in season 6 he does because the writers turn him into the devil, but season 1-4 he really doesn't. Maybe prison or whatever, I don't really care. If his crimes were so egregious that I couldn't stomach them I wouldn't be watching the show in the first place.
>Namely that Melfi entertains Tony as this figure who so obviously must have some childhood or adolescent trauma that needs to be worked out in order for him to become a good person, and it turns out to be total bs.
Thats not what happens in season 6. Its just a smokescreen for Tony's complete devolution as a character. Melfie's big scene with him at the end shows how forced the Tony is le psycho narrative is. He suddenly acts in exact accordance with the psych paper she was reading in the scene right before, so she can have her big "omg Tony is evil" moment. Not to mention the ridiculousness of her being totally convinced by a single paper when various people have told her the exact same shit for the entire show and she always disagreed with them.
The way Tony treats Gloria and then has the audacity to blame her suicide on Melfi happens in Season 3. Are you telling me that isn't textbook Cluster B behavior? It genuinely reminds me of a BPD ex these days.
>The way Tony treats Gloria
like gold?
she was an insane b***h anon
>The way Tony treats Gloria
He treated her fine until she went crazy on him. Even then, he basically resorted to the only method he had of making her stay the frick away without killing her, which was incredibly hard since Gloria wanted him to kill her.
>then has the audacity to blame her suicide on Melfi
He lashes out at her for one scene because hes upset that Gloria died and angry at Melfie for not telling him. Theres nothing insane about that
>He lashes out at her for one scene because hes upset that Gloria died and angry at Melfie for not telling him. Theres nothing insane about that
this
melfi was an awful uppity c**t too
>he's just not treatable because he uses his sessions with Melfi as a catharsis to vent and feel better about himself
>buying that obvious horseshit
pathetic
On my recent rewatch I connected that Matush the same guy who got beat up for selling X in the club who was Jackie's friend, was the guy who stabbed the fat dude that got Adrianna setup for the bloody rag, feel kinda dumb but he was gone for so long.
thats a midwit take, he is sympathetic in much of the show, even killing Chris makes sense in a fricked up way
cheating does not inherently mean you dont love your wife and he certainly loved his kids he was just tough at times
Depressing we'll never get TV this good again. Amazing we actually complained about the dream episodes at the time. They were fricking genius. The most convincing dreams I've ever seen portrayed in media - weird, feverish, not always making the point obvious, lots of little motifs, lots of day residue from Tony's past.
David Lynchian
I found Antony Jr. incredibly annoying around the time of airing but rewatching it I actually think Chase captured millennial teenagers really well.
It captured that zeitgeist perfectly. Remember when Tony goes full paranoia about the idea of a dirty bomb being smuggled into the US after seeing it on the news? God, rewatching it is so fricking comfy and nostalgic. Any other anons in their 30s ITT ?
>Any other anons in their 30s ITT ?
frick off dork
so you're the homosexual on every YT channel whos like
>I'm XY years old and I remember when...
you're a dipshit boomer congrats
>you're a dipshit boomer congrats
nta, but god i love zoomer seethe because they were unable to experience it in a different era
no one cares gramps
list your age and you've joined him in boomerposting
wtf is wrong with millenials you're all old and gay now its hilarious
>wtf is wrong with millenials you're all old and gay now its hilarious
>makes another outdated reference
ugly too wtf
>wtf is wrong with millenials you're all old and gay
Gen Z are the gayest generation on record.
Is childhood sexual abuse increasing exponentially or something?
Well, they do allow gays to get married and adopt now
Also least white, most mixed, most autistic, most mentally ill. Where do these Black folk get off insulting us like their generation is full of hardcore freikorps fascists? They're just millennials with more onions.
>Also least white, most mixed, most autistic, most mentally ill.
Also most sexless. These subhumans were the ones who made a shitskin mulatto like Andrew Tate popular. No wonder they love the Wire and seethe over Sopranos.
atleast millennials dont talk in that cringe style you're doing, I can tell you live with your mother, hopefully your dads in the picture cause you still need some help
You are now aware there are many zoomers who watched the entire show as a collection of plot-critical clips on YouTube.
t. embarrassed redditors
>you're a dipshit boomer congrats
Why are you so angry zoomie? This was a show many of us watched as kids, it holds fond memories. Just like the Spiderman: Into the Nigverse will for you.
i understand your frustration, i would hate to be born after 2000 also. im fortunate enough to be born in 95 so I got to live a normal childhood unlike zoomies
why do sopranos fans on Cinemaphile have the tone of a woman talking about her favorite food?
The dream scenes are the ones I rewatch the most, actually (aside from Chrissy's intervention and Tony having an argument with Silvio at the end of the Columbus Day episode). David Chase captured the feeling of being in a dream perfectly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq9vChB0bz0
I fast forwarded most of the shit and continue to do so when I re-watch.
you're an butthole then
the only scenes worth skipping in the entire show is some of the Massive Genius rapper shit in S1, and then some of Chrissy's cheating hollywood escapades, Melfi is pretty weak at times but youd have to be nuts to skip any Tony scene, the family scenes are crucial to the show aswell some people act like Janice or the kids aren't great characters
>Massive Genius
made me want to blow my brains out, there were so many misses in s1
for me, it's ouija board, "i like rice maybe i'm chinese", happy birthday mr president, and ...visiting day? in the massive genius episode.
i used to shit on the Bday mr president scene too but on my recent rewatch the look of horror and inner realization on Tony's face while it happens makes it a really surreal freaky scene, I love it now
nah shes a basic looking woman with beady eyes
The redhead that Chrissy dates is the hottest woman in the show bar none.
You forget Tracee with the hot braces.
Patrician's taste
agree with the Genius shit, that aged the most poor out of everything
Chrissy in hollywood had some good laughs, and D girl is a 10/10
Melfi may not be as exciting as others, but her scenes are some of the most important into getting a glimpse of how disingenuous Tony is towards everything
Tony was never a leader.
He outsourced all his decisions to others.
You can make the case that a good leader will bend the ear of those around him, but he rarely if ever offers his own input and instead just seeks out the most convenient/easy answer
>Tony was never a leader.
>He outsourced all his decisions to others
He obviously doesn't. As shown by the episode where Sil takes over and the entire family starts falling apart because he can't manage what Tony puts up with every day.
Sil fails because he tried to do it all himself.
He was a substitute teacher and no one took him seriously.
Tony goes to the extreme in the other way, letting Melfi/Junior and anyone else that will listen unknowingly make these decisions for him.
jfc
you're all fricking moronic
can tell you skipped the Melfi scenes
every session is him trying to find a solution to a present day problem under the guise of past trauma
Melfi tries to heal his old wounds, and Tony uses her suggestions as permission to deal new wounds to others
She dropped his ass once she realized how she was being played
>Sil fails because he tried to do it all himself.
He failed because he couldn't put his foot down. He completely fricked the Bobby/Vito dispute because he was pussyfooting around and didn't want to commit to anything. Then he gets so stressed that he ends up hospitalized.
>Tony goes to the extreme in the other way, letting Melfi/Junior and anyone else that will listen unknowingly make these decisions for him.
He takes other people's advice, but that doesn't mean they're making decisions for him.
you're talking to mexican teenagers bro
they don't get it
>He takes other people's advice, but that doesn't mean they're making decisions for him.
This used to be my take too, but I revisited recently and saw how little of his own input he actually uses
His entire spiel is bouncing ideas off others, and never once does he go with his gut.
He bemoans this fact for almost the entire show.
He's a lot like Sil in that he's just larping and has no idea wtf to do about anything as a leader.
>He's a lot like Sil in that he's just larping and has no idea wtf to do about anything as a leader.
what a horseshit take
the evidence is all there man
he's constantly confused and angry he doesn't know what to do
so he lashes out at everyone and eventually goes with whatever is easiest
Its pretty moronic to say that hes just like Sil when we see what Sil is like as a boss and its a total disaster compared to Tony's rule.
you have to put words in my mouth and I'm the one with the horseshit take?
i didn't JUST like Sil, I said a lot like Sil in that regard
Tony was just better at masking his anxiety through obfuscation
>I'm the one with the horseshit take?
Now your putting words in my mouth lol. Alright buddy, how about I say its pretty moronic to say that hes like Sil when we see what Sil is like as a boss and its a total disaster compared to Tony's rule. Does that make it more palatable for you?
sorry thought you were the other anon
>when we see what Sil is like as a boss and its a total disaster compared to Tony's rule
is it though?
as I said, no one really respects Sil because they know he's just filling in
Tony didn't exactly run a smooth operation, not even in comparison to Sil
Look how much control he had over his guys
>Paulie with his big mouth
>Patsy showing up drunk to Tony's house for revenge
>Chrissy with every fricking thing lol
He ran a "glorified crew", not a family, and it was a total shitshow the entire time
it's like you're so moronic you can't even watch a show correctly wtf bro you're literally not living in objective reality
how ugly and/or moronic are you?
be honest
>He ran a "glorified crew", not a family, and it was a total shitshow the entire time
Junior said it best when he compared being a boss to steering a ship. Shit happens. You can't predict everything, the point is to steer the ship the best way you can. He made mistakes, but he also pulled some great maneuvers. In the end, his family was in bad shape, but how much of that was directly his fault? Relations with NY collapsing was more due to Tony B's moronic ass and Philly going ballistic years later for no reason than anything that Tony did himself did. None of the bosses shown are perfect. Even Big Carmine made a lot of mistakes. He was nearly killed by Johnny and would've been arrested with him too if the egg salad didn't get to him first.
Yeah, they're just very surreal. They remind me of authors like Borges and Murakami in that sense. Have you got that one where Tony is in a dream, I think it's during a coma or when he's unconscious, and he approaches a house with a party going on inside, and it's fairly obvious the house is meant to represent the afterlife?
>They remind me of authors like Borges and Murakami in that sense
go. BACK.
One detail that I liked about the dreams was how the sound from IRL was incorporated in the dreams, like squeaking noises in Funhouse that I suppose represented Tony's farting and stomach grumbling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcgr4xz1eqU&pp=ygUXZnVuaG91c2UgZHJlYW0gc29wcmFub3M%3D
don't you have a Euphoria thread to go, Black person troony?
we don't sign our posts here
>no you!
I feel like Fishtank brought a lot of these zoomlet homosexuals to Cinemaphile. They all love Sam Hyde for some weird reason and consider him their e-father figure.
Made in America had me wondering the whole time if it was a dream.
The cat, the weird jump cuts,the whole episode felt off in a more subtle way than the actual dream sequences.
How many people did Tony Soprano kill on screen? Not that he ordered killed or something but personally shot or whatever?
Ralph
Puss
Christopher
Off the top of my head.
Oh and Tony B
Bevilaqua and rat guy in ep 5.
Oh ya, forgot about Bevilaqua.
Don't remember who rat guy is.
when he's taking Med to visit colleges (ep name College) and finds an old snitch in NH or thereabouts, then strangles him
Drink Water, and that loser who got shot by the fish gun
When Silvio and Chrissy ordered a hit on Johnny Sack, they showed them the picture of Sack and Tony, just specified that Sack was on the left.
Hitmen thought it was their left, Chrissy meant his left.
It just took them three seasons to get on with the contract because they're old.
I have never seen, nor have any plans to ever watch this show.
literally just means youre on an echelon lower than the average Cinemaphile user. I got my buddy to watch the show and 2 weeks later he comes and tells me its the best show hes ever seen. I genuinely pity anyone who hasnt seen the show, like whats the point in watching tv at all if you dont want to watch the best?
>the redditor theory
The what? The whole fricking show was reddit
How is this still a debate? Phil got popped in front of two kids and a mother. So Tony got killed in front of two kids and a mother.
It was New York, not Patsy/Paulie. Patsy’s son was with Meadow.
>phil was whacked in front of two kids and a mother (as revenge, Tony will be killed by two kids and a mother)
>members only jacket reference to eugene
>godfather 1 reference - members only guy goes to the toilet
>meadow’s parallel parking failure means members only guy gets a clean shot on Tony as he comes back from the toilet
>the two black guys entering the restaurant is a clear reference to the earlier failed hit on Tony
>the heavy foreshadowing of the Bobby/tony you don’t even hear it when it happens convo
The only reason Chase didn’t show us Tony’s death is because he resented the viewers for wanting it. Hes said before how he balked at the hypocrisy of the viewers who championed Tony’s bloodlust thru the seasons and suddenly wanted him dead for being evil.
It was New York. Patsy was the only one who had the means and ambition to fix the hit - and by that time his son and meadow were quite seriously dating, so he wouldn’t have done it. Tony got whacked by New York and it would’ve been signed off by the five families because of the OTT killing of Phil.
>picture for you boys to wank over
meadow in season 2 had trouble parallel parking. like poetry
He was killed by Patsy.
>NOOO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE AN OPEN ENDED SPINE TINGLING SLOW BURN OF A MYSTERY
No mystery here. Bobby, Chrissy, Vito, Pussy, Ralph, Gigi and Blundetto were dead, Silvio was in the hospital, Paulie and Benny were moronic and Carlo flipped leaving Patsy first choice for effective 2nd in command. We know from this scene Patrick was 90% sure it was Tony who ordered the hit on his brother.
However Patsy apparently decided to be a strategist and not make a move until victory was assured, not giving the slightest hint he was a threat until that point. You don't need Bobby's quotation book to figure this out, although it would have been very emotionally taxing for Patsy.
This show was great. I'm going to get drunk and ignore my girlfriend tonight to work on yet another rewatch.
>tfw u realise AJ’s gf tipped new york off to where Tony would be after hearing from AJ
I like to think it was just a normal dinner, tony was slightly paranoid, and that chase gets sexual pleasure from fricking with pseuds in his audience
The bear he chased off came back for revenge.
It’s obvious he died, there were tons of clues in the show to tell you as much. The guy went in the bathroom and came out and blasted him “in a scene reminiscent of The Godfather” (ironically Tony’s favorite scene) and Tony “never even heard it coming”. Who did it is the only real debate. My theory is that it was Paulie and Patsy, based off the scene where Paulie said “It’s all yours” to Patsy in the bathroom and Patsy grinned ear to ear in response. Paulie was always jealous of Tony and Tony almost killed him on that boat which probably set the whole thing in motion. Patsy hated Tony for killing his brother Philly. Tony was vulnerable now that his closest allies were all dead or in a coma. It was the perfect time to move on him.
I just wish it wasn't so easy and telegraphed in that season, showing that you don't hear it. I expected more or less, what we got was easy
It's an open ending. You're left to draw your own conclusion, whatever you come up with is valid because there isn't one single answer. It is at least implied that if he does not die in the dinner, he lives with the sword of damocles above his head and at any moment he could meet the same fate the majority of the other characters did.
Why does Sopranos make zoomers so angry? Genuinely curious. A lot of them seem to get angry about it, at least on here.
Zoomers have some of the worst media literacy of any generation and have a hard time understanding anything that can't be condensed into a 20 second TikTok edit
zoomies seethe at anything pre-2007 since it just reminds them how good things used to be compared to now and that they didn't get to experience it
I just don't get their rage at millennials in general. When I was their age I wasn't raging about Gen Xers. I barely even thought about them. Why would I hate the generation directly above me?
No idea about the males, but the girls all seem to have at least one sob story about a 30 year old grooming them when they were 16. That seems to have become more common. I feel like Gen Z girls are more stupid/oblivious about men than Millennial women were.
my guess is they cant relate to the turn of century lifestyle and are so far removed from the last century that they dont get how Sopranos is significant culturally, the crime aspect really pales in comparison to the exploration of human relationships and individual sense of purpose
Why didn't Phil's stealthmaxx build protect him from the assassin at the gas station?
He had to underpower his house form to his human form
Tony used his fed buddy to tap the payphones and find which he was using
why didn't he just kill everybody in the familyinstead of just himself
to put his family in danger? at least this way they can use the money
why didn't he just leave without asking
i really liked Eugene's character despite being so short lived, his acting on the construction sight was great
agreed
they should have given him the arc of trying to escape instead of vito
It has already been explained by the creators that it’s meant to show that life goes on. This thing happens, that thing happens then they eat.
>season 6 episode 1, a guy in a members only jacket kills a fat frick eating in a diner named Teddy Spirodakis(TS)
>season 6 episode 21, a fat frick in a diner named Tony Sopranos(TS) is eating while a man in a members only jacket sits nearby stealing glances at him.
You have to be genuinely moronic to still not understand what happened at this point
you got no idea what it's like to be number one
every thing you do affects every facet of every other frickin thing
The butchie patsy paulie theory holds up.
>butchie
Saw an opportunity to seize power in the end stage of the war
>Patsy
twin telepathy
>Paulie
malignant c**t
I've watched good TV since Sopranos (though nothing as great), but one interesting thing is that no drama has ever made me laugh so hard. I don't know what it is about the show but it can flit so easily between being genuinely deep at points, but also having me in stitches at other points.
I don't think any other show has ever done this so well.
Sopranos does in fact have the best comedy but theres moments here and there like the Shield for example that have really great comedy bits.
Laughter and Pain are very similar.
This show's extremely dark nature makes it easy to release a laugh amidst the horror.
>tip the animal blundetto about Phil coming for him.
>Animal Kills Phill
>Tony is like ayyy how could this happen Johny I'm sorry I will kill the Animal
>kills Blundetto
>problems squashed
>lives as a boss happily ever after
Tony was truly moronic
Tony B was the moron
>Get out of prison
>Get to see your twin boys
>Your prison butt buddy gets wacked
>Know very well Tony won't be able to protect you
>You'll have to be on the run
>Lose your kids
I've never seen something so stupid. He even had all day to think about it and not do it when Tony met up with him. Absolute idiot.
all these morons look down on tony for dealing with all the awful homosexuals in his life justly
they can't comprehend the bigger picture and only see
>omg tony is being a jerk again for no reason
it's astonishing how stupid most of you are
he spends the whole season stewing about what he missed and how in denial he is about his jealousy over Tony living the life he thinks he should've had, his actions were ridiculous but he basically had lost all sense of value in his life, beating the asian investor was an even wackier turn around for me
It made no sense, even in this world of morons making moves. He gave up everything over someone that wasn't even his blood.
Tony had just given him his own operation and things were going good but he wanted revenge on some shit that had nothing to do with him because he was in prison with the guy.
lol
did you dorks not noticed the several episode arc where he falls back into his old shitty habits and starts to self destruct?
this is not true
this was something that happened very close to the end of the show, tony beat and humiliated a very connected new york mafioso IN their territory
This Soprautist lays it out pretty well. The guys got some decent sopranos content thats not just a wikipedia summary or plebbit threads condensed.
I don't need my opinions made up for me moron frick off
theres 86 posters in this thread what the frick makes you so special?
>MUH OPINIONS
youre a very special little snowflake.
I'm better than you and I know it
What was the significance of the tiger painting in the last scene?
Rewatching it, there's so many anachronisms. Meadow loses her virginity in college to the israelitenig iirc when she was 18. It's kinda like American Pie in that sense, everything has become so degenerate in the past 20 years that it actually seems vaguely wholesome upon reflection. These days most middle class girls lose their virginity at 13-15.
It was just some rando wanting street cred by offing a big boss to become made.
The ending was left intentionally ambiguous, but the common and logical interpretation is that Tony finally got his (after nearly everyone around him had been killed or an attempt made on their life).
The dream sequences with dead people, the ducks, all foreshadowed an inevitable conclusion. But, since Tony was the 'boss' and had many enemies, it would not make for a satisfying conclusion to have a lone culprit, and what better than to reflect on the many possible culprits as a result of Tony's dangerous life style.