Pirates is a more appealing for the ladies. Wearing loose clothing, having a European accent, not giving af about governments, eye liner. "I'm in love with the sea". That kind of shit
But when you really think about it, Pirates were probably malnourished, jaded, homosexuals living on knifes edge on their rinky dink piece of wood. Cowboys on the other hand, had true freedom. Outlaws being the most popular story tropes. Saloon prostitutes whenever they feel like it. No running out of booze. Plus you can truly live alone on the frontier...while to be a pirate means having to live with a dozen+ stinky men.
>not some le ebin gunslinger either, anon
Where in my long comment did I mention guns you illiterate dingus? You're just salty that most men would rather be a peasant living on their own terms than a scurvy ridden sap being worked to death.
Cost too much and made too little and was hugely notable. Waterworld is arguably also responsible. Filming on water, with ships is just insanely expensive. I love Wateroworld and think Cutthroat Island is pretty ok. At the end of the day, they didn't make back their budget. It's Hollywood. They see the numbers. You really can't do a pirate movie for cheap, cause it'll look cheap and people won't see it. Nearly every boat related movie fails. The Ron Howard Moby Dick film bombed. I don't know what it'll take to make them cheaper, but Id like to see more pirate movies. Or even a Sinbad movie.
Films are best made in studios where you can control light, temperature and moisture. This also lets you control time better. You wanna set up at 8am and film till midnight? You can do that on a set. You can't do that on the water. Conditions change, and sometimes rapidly. You also want consistency. You don't want dawn, then blue skies, than gray. So, you can film maybe 1/3 the amount of time in a day. So a 5 day shoot in a set becomes a 15 day shoot on water.
Boats themselves take a crew on top of a film crew. Then there's extras. Having a saloon full of guys in a western is no big deal. On water, they all have to be insured and go through basic safety training. All of this takes time and will also mean the extras may have to be featured extras or stunt people, much more pay than a guy sitting at a bar wearing a hat.
Nearly every place you might want to film a movie on the ocean will need to be near a port town, which will also run up the cost. For a western, filming in the middle of the desert is cheap. You can fly into some gas station stop of a town and not be bothered. If you need sections of a beach closed? Oh....the toursim board is gonna love the new streets this movie pays for.
Digital is the way to go, unfortunately. Fake boats, green screen, it's just too cheap and safe to do it that way now.
It's actually a good thing. That whenever a production has the money for a proper boat kino, you know you're in for a treat. Better to a kino once in while than tons of inferior crap.
Pirates are clearly better fighters because there is little civility or law at sea. Cowboys are tough and capable, but they're lawful and less skilled in combat. The only real advantage cowboys have is superior firearms.
>implying
Maybe on a ship. A nobody cowboy ranchhand that only uses guns to scare off coyotes would have far more experience with a gun than any pirate. All pirates have experience with using is cannons to hit massive targets and protoshotguns to hit fleeing civilians. Pirates would run and cry if someone fought back.
Without ego or preference, I think pirates are slightly superior. Pirates lived more violent lives, and had fewer comforts. In short: A pirate is tougher.
Golden age Pirates are literally soldiers that were sent on secret special military operation to attack and sink ships, also life on a ship is the hardest.
Without ego or preference, I think pirates are slightly superior. Pirates lived more violent lives, and had fewer comforts. In short: A pirate is tougher.
A cowboy doesn't have a ship to sink and pirates can't hit anything smaller than a ship with a cannon so it doesn't matter. If a pirate and a cowboy got into a "hitting the broad side of a barn with a cannon" contest, the pirate would win. If they were just fighting then the pirate loses ten times out of ten.
Whoa, whoa; bro... I'd give you eight out of ten times. Some pirates could probably outdo some cowboys one-on-one. But I'm assuming they're both fighting druk. Pirates do have some advantage. Especially is a cowboy runs out of bullets or dosen't have a gun.
Hitting a ship with a canon is really hard. The ocean is constantly moving both ships up and down so your timing, not just your aim, has to be perfect.
>Childlish concept like "cowboy have guns and thay are better"
I guess black gettho thugs are even cooler then cowboys cause they are armed with uzi or mac 10 that shoots faster then colt 1860 or winchester 1873 > Knights don't understand the concept of firearms
Yeah right....
Cowboys were prolific in the late 19th century with repeating cartridged rifle tech. Pirates were prolific in the 17-18 century with black powder weapons. Cowboys would obviously win, even on water. 3 guys with rifles on a small boat can easily kill 100 pirates on a big ship with cannons and shitty flintlock pistols.
Why would they need to? The pirates can't reliably kill the cowboys while the cowboys can hover around and pick them off. Only grapeshot would really be a threat and they'd have to get pretty close for that to be effective, after they use up those canisters then they have no way to deal with the small boat.
It ain't about who would win. It's about who is cooler, who is more appealing to be, who would you rather watch on the big screen. Cowboys clear all with private detectives close behind.
The Cowboy era overlaps with the industrial era and the triumph of the scientific method. The age of exploration was over and the last great frontier was rapidly being settled and tamed. In the pirate era, the New World is still exotic and only partially explored, scientists are still dabbling in stuff like alchemy, and Europeans are constantly encountering strange new peoples with unfamiliar spiritual beliefs.
Guys, the answer is Pirates vs. Ninjas: >pirates at sea come across an island where an ancient mysterious ninja sect has set up a temple >they make landfall and enter the jungle and begin encountering them. >multiple melee battles and firefights erupt. >geishas, concubines, chick pirates >European/Asian swordsmanship >temple/jungle battleground
This ain't the 2000s anymore gramps, move on.
None of the above
knights are too zesty
Only blacks boys are zesty and black boys were never knights lol
>yes suh, right away suh, for god country
do armorbucks really?
Pirates is a more appealing for the ladies. Wearing loose clothing, having a European accent, not giving af about governments, eye liner. "I'm in love with the sea". That kind of shit
But when you really think about it, Pirates were probably malnourished, jaded, homosexuals living on knifes edge on their rinky dink piece of wood. Cowboys on the other hand, had true freedom. Outlaws being the most popular story tropes. Saloon prostitutes whenever they feel like it. No running out of booze. Plus you can truly live alone on the frontier...while to be a pirate means having to live with a dozen+ stinky men.
the average cowboy was just some fricking peasant who's whole life depended on selling a cow or two, not some le ebin gunslinger either, anon
>not some le ebin gunslinger either, anon
Where in my long comment did I mention guns you illiterate dingus? You're just salty that most men would rather be a peasant living on their own terms than a scurvy ridden sap being worked to death.
>Saloon prostitutes
This, cowboys it is
Saloon prostitutes were actually stinkier. Modern women already stank like hell, imagine b***hes in the wild west.
>Saloon prostitutes were actually stinkier
how would you know?
I was there. I'm John Wayne and that's why im gay.
You gotta take what you can get when you can get it. Life in the 19th century was hard on a man...
>fricking some lame saloon prostitute when you could be fricking a mermaid
ngmi
Cowkeks “win” by default because it’s so expensive and complicated to film seakino
Boatbros, we suffer
Isn’t it cowboys vs Indians? Never heard pirated vs cowboys before
we need more pirate movies, like way more. POTC should not be the only pirate movie. We get westerns every year, lets get a pirate movie every year.
this movie killed the whole genre, pretty much
Cutthroat Island is great though.
Cost too much and made too little and was hugely notable. Waterworld is arguably also responsible. Filming on water, with ships is just insanely expensive. I love Wateroworld and think Cutthroat Island is pretty ok. At the end of the day, they didn't make back their budget. It's Hollywood. They see the numbers. You really can't do a pirate movie for cheap, cause it'll look cheap and people won't see it. Nearly every boat related movie fails. The Ron Howard Moby Dick film bombed. I don't know what it'll take to make them cheaper, but Id like to see more pirate movies. Or even a Sinbad movie.
>Filming on water, with ships is just insanely expensive
Why?
Films are best made in studios where you can control light, temperature and moisture. This also lets you control time better. You wanna set up at 8am and film till midnight? You can do that on a set. You can't do that on the water. Conditions change, and sometimes rapidly. You also want consistency. You don't want dawn, then blue skies, than gray. So, you can film maybe 1/3 the amount of time in a day. So a 5 day shoot in a set becomes a 15 day shoot on water.
Boats themselves take a crew on top of a film crew. Then there's extras. Having a saloon full of guys in a western is no big deal. On water, they all have to be insured and go through basic safety training. All of this takes time and will also mean the extras may have to be featured extras or stunt people, much more pay than a guy sitting at a bar wearing a hat.
Nearly every place you might want to film a movie on the ocean will need to be near a port town, which will also run up the cost. For a western, filming in the middle of the desert is cheap. You can fly into some gas station stop of a town and not be bothered. If you need sections of a beach closed? Oh....the toursim board is gonna love the new streets this movie pays for.
Digital is the way to go, unfortunately. Fake boats, green screen, it's just too cheap and safe to do it that way now.
Good post
It's actually a good thing. That whenever a production has the money for a proper boat kino, you know you're in for a treat. Better to a kino once in while than tons of inferior crap.
None of the words in your post had anything to do with my statement about Cutthroat Island being great.
cowboys have guns that can be short more than once
well the cowboy is holding the other one around his chest like a gay so I choose pirate
>well the cowboy is holding the other one around his chest like a gay so I choose pirate
He's holding a lariat, moron.
>lariat
idk gay sex lingo im sorry
>He's holding a lariat
???
When did Ford stop naming all their vehicles with alliterative S words?
*E words
Ninjas
picrel
only one will be crowned
the DEADLIEST WARRIOR
Pirates are clearly better fighters because there is little civility or law at sea. Cowboys are tough and capable, but they're lawful and less skilled in combat. The only real advantage cowboys have is superior firearms.
>implying
Maybe on a ship. A nobody cowboy ranchhand that only uses guns to scare off coyotes would have far more experience with a gun than any pirate. All pirates have experience with using is cannons to hit massive targets and protoshotguns to hit fleeing civilians. Pirates would run and cry if someone fought back.
Without ego or preference, I think pirates are slightly superior. Pirates lived more violent lives, and had fewer comforts. In short: A pirate is tougher.
Golden age Pirates are literally soldiers that were sent on secret special military operation to attack and sink ships, also life on a ship is the hardest.
A cowboy doesn't have a ship to sink and pirates can't hit anything smaller than a ship with a cannon so it doesn't matter. If a pirate and a cowboy got into a "hitting the broad side of a barn with a cannon" contest, the pirate would win. If they were just fighting then the pirate loses ten times out of ten.
Whoa, whoa; bro... I'd give you eight out of ten times. Some pirates could probably outdo some cowboys one-on-one. But I'm assuming they're both fighting druk. Pirates do have some advantage. Especially is a cowboy runs out of bullets or dosen't have a gun.
Hitting a ship with a canon is really hard. The ocean is constantly moving both ships up and down so your timing, not just your aim, has to be perfect.
>Pirates on land: Might win against cowboys, but probably not.
>Cowboys at sea: Pirates win no question.
What if they have seahorses?
Touche
I don't think seahorses could successfully attack a pirate ship. It would be cool, but it simply isn't realistic.
It's pirates versus ninjas, you dumb fricking zoomer. Cowboys fight mobsters.
Official ranking:
Samurai > Cowboys > Detectives > Ninjas > Knights > Pirates
dumb weeb
>Samurai above three classes that have access to firearms
Did you frick up on purpose?
What if a samurai had a gun? That's right, game over.
samurai DID have guns
reddit guns
samurai had shitloads of guns but i assume thats a ranking of whos most kino
Damn, I mustve missed some episodes of Deadliest Warriora
I think Mega-Man should be on top.
Knights > Samurai > Cowboys > Detectives > Ninjas > Pirates
Knights don't understand the concept of firearms. You don't think a cowboy could take down a dozen Knights with a single rifle?
Ever heard of shields?
You think a medieval shield can stop rifle bullets?
>Childlish concept like "cowboy have guns and thay are better"
I guess black gettho thugs are even cooler then cowboys cause they are armed with uzi or mac 10 that shoots faster then colt 1860 or winchester 1873
> Knights don't understand the concept of firearms
Yeah right....
Modern thugs with modern weapons would indeed present a great threat to cowboys.
Do we really talk childlish "who would win?" This is moronic...
>Who would win?
>Jamal Loquacious
>Sir Bartholomew
jamal moggs the whitey, 9/10 times
Detectives?
Pirates are de facto gay
Cowboys were prolific in the late 19th century with repeating cartridged rifle tech. Pirates were prolific in the 17-18 century with black powder weapons. Cowboys would obviously win, even on water. 3 guys with rifles on a small boat can easily kill 100 pirates on a big ship with cannons and shitty flintlock pistols.
Not even close.
How would Cowboy boat even get close enough to Pirate ship to shoot?
Why would they need to? The pirates can't reliably kill the cowboys while the cowboys can hover around and pick them off. Only grapeshot would really be a threat and they'd have to get pretty close for that to be effective, after they use up those canisters then they have no way to deal with the small boat.
I don't think cowboys could pull that off. I think a pirate ship could handle a small boat.
Until they attempt to board the pirate ship to kill the crew. By that time, they might be low on ammo. Swords and knives don't run out.
What if the pirates just sailed the frick away and cowboys had to deal with the beaner natives?
Cowboy is such lame name. Like are they gonna Mooo at the Pirates.
>t. duded-up city slicker
Pirates, sure Cowboy has a six-shooter revolver but the pirate gets as many weapon as he can possibly carry.
for me it's puritans, either side of the pond
>cowboys: saloon full of western prostitutes
>pirates: boats full of cabin boys
Pirates are gay, end of story
Pirates were just edging.
Ok let's ask the real question. Rum or Whiskey?
what if you added 1 trillion lions to the fight?
Black folk ruined pirates
Did pirates ever steal slaves?
john wayne and clint eastwood could solo the entire pirates of the carribean cast if they teamed up
That sounds incredibly gay.
That would be a cool team up.
Thread theme song incoming:
It ain't about who would win. It's about who is cooler, who is more appealing to be, who would you rather watch on the big screen. Cowboys clear all with private detectives close behind.
Both are savage degenerate homosexuals and criminals.
zesty
This is your average pirate fan btw
both reddit
>Six shooter vs flintlock
Try /k/ moron
no, pirates and cowboys are bros.
pirates vs ninjas is the real debate.
Wasn't it pirates vs ninjas, that's what adventure quest had i'm pretty sure
dork
spacechads mogg those boomers
>Flintlocks and blunderbusses VS Colt Single Action Army revolvers and Henry lever action rifles
Come on... It's not even close.
i'm more of a cossack/gaucho enjoyer
Checked, based, and cossack-pilled...
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>AFLAC!!
Ninja's vs. Pirates would draw the dimes, brother.
Hunters of the supernatural are the only archetype that are actually cool.
The pirates have swords so once they close the distance the cowboys are fricked
Why do pirate stories frequently involve fantasy but speculative elements in cowboy movies are virtually non-existent?
I think it has something to do with the fact that the sea is so much more amorphous and more unlivable that it invites things that feel impossible.
The Cowboy era overlaps with the industrial era and the triumph of the scientific method. The age of exploration was over and the last great frontier was rapidly being settled and tamed. In the pirate era, the New World is still exotic and only partially explored, scientists are still dabbling in stuff like alchemy, and Europeans are constantly encountering strange new peoples with unfamiliar spiritual beliefs.
Guys, the answer is Pirates vs. Ninjas:
>pirates at sea come across an island where an ancient mysterious ninja sect has set up a temple
>they make landfall and enter the jungle and begin encountering them.
>multiple melee battles and firefights erupt.
>geishas, concubines, chick pirates
>European/Asian swordsmanship
>temple/jungle battleground
Think of the kino. It would work.
Deadliest Warrior and Manswers were invented to answer these sorts of questions.