>corporation has mercenaries willing to stage suicidal attacks on a space battleship, up to and including boarding it
How the FRICK did Protogen get employees that are so loyal?
The Expanse
>corporation has mercenaries willing to stage suicidal attacks on a space battleship, up to and including boarding it
How the FRICK did Protogen get employees that are so loyal?
it made no sense
>mercenaries aka hired soldiers are willing to fight other soldiers? MY GOD THATS SUCH SHITTY WRITING
holy shit Cinemaphile is so fricking stupid lmao
the novels are different from the shows, there are huge differences from the getgo like Chrisjen being there from the beginning, it would be like me citing a comic to discuss something in a Marvel or DC movie; they are explicitly different canons
goddamn Cinemaphile is sooooooooo stupid and pretends to be so smart, frankly embarassing
This, all mercenaries desire suicide missions
Skiddish tombs.
>holy shit Cinemaphile is so fricking stupid lmao
Truly, mercenaries love going on one-way rides. Imagine thinking otherwise
Shitty writing.
Hard Science but doesn't understand people at all.
>many such cases
I dunno, other people seems realistically greedy and short-sighted
I agree. Who would agree to board the Donnager? Isn't the full complement of Marines like 100 or something? Seems like a terrible idea. I never understood that.
I bet it was a
>"we need someone to shoot at them to dramatize the boarding of the Tachi".
Hack writing like said.
There were a few instances of that kind of thing in the show and it bothers me. It's like someone was editing the script and thought
>we need to add some action to this part
And so they just invent something from whole cloth.
>Zimmerman
Seems consistent with what I know about Japanese corporate culture.
Wait, didn't they board the Donnager and forced the captain to scuttle the ship? They were pretty close to capturing the Martian Flagship so I would say their motivation was a hefty bonus for pulling off the mission objective of eliminating the survivors of the ice-hauler.
they attacked a battleship with six frigates
even assuming they intended to board it, that's suicidal. at least 2/3 of their ships were blown away on approach.
how do you find crews willing to take those odds on when you're a corporation?
They were mercenaries so were motivated by getting a larger bonus if fewer crew-mates survived the mission. Also, as the other anon said, some may have had a procedure done that nullifies their empathy capability.
I know it's still a bit weak story-wise but at least it's not ridiculously weak. If you like hard-scifi with higher production value overall and less crying Naomi, I can recommend "For all mankind" not highly enough.
I've seen the threads here, For All Mankind is pozzed as frick and makes Naomi look good
It's a bit pozzed but the Naomi-drama heavy episodes were so annoying that I skipped them when I rewatched the expanse. Also, I like that FaM doesn't need some "magic-alien-goo" that can somehow change the laws of physics, which was a cheap way to make things "more interesting". Also, FaM has way better music and way more interesting/likable characters compared to the expanse.
I tried it but dropped it halfway through the first season. The characters just weren't engaging or interesting.
Really? That may be true but the way more realistic tech did it for me. The series starts a bit slow but they draw a lot from the world-building in later seasons. But I was told that I like boring stuff so ymmv. I mean, I program uCs for fun and I was told normies find that boring.
I keep thinking of giving it another shot, but the first couple episodes are a slog.
If you're not against the consumption of cannabis, I would try to watch it stoned to increase the immersion. I was on the edge of the seat pretty much all throughout the seasons, but I have to admit I'm kind of a gear-head and rockets and space-tech make my pp hard.
That's fair. Not everyone has to like everything.
If you watched QCB and still weren't sold, nothing else is really going to do it.
I was the same. The first few episodes are there to hammer home that this isn't a space aliens and ray guns sci fi show and world build so that the rest of it makes sense. It did feel like it was going nowhere and I had given up on the show. I only watched QCB because I had an hour to kill and was bored out of my skull, and that's the actual hook for the show.
They had two characters and actors with any pull and one of them dies in season 1 and the other is just in a few scenes
It's all about that vitally important bonus situation
>how do you find crews willing to take those odds on when you're a corporation?
great post mortem pensions for the survivor's dependents? mercs were clones/robots? Mercs were orphans/raised by the corporation since birth and indoctrinated into some kind of suicidal/death cult that worshiped the corporation?
ive never seen this show but you are all abunch of smooth brain npcs if you cant figure out a reason why people would kill themselves for money.
>but its a corportion
so fricking what? People die for their organizations all the time. Just gotta give them the appropriate incentive. Maybe the mercs were just given bad info, or the frigates are independent teams that have no real communication with one another. the corporation tells each group there will be a diversion or inside sabotage so they can easily board and dont even know the other dudes got wasted. Maybe they are prisoners or are being black mailed or hypnotized. Does it really matter? Do you care about the lore of cannon-fodder?
most armies throughout history have been made up of mercenaries.
how far are you in the story?
many of the people they were employing underwent a surgical procedure to remove their empathy and make them more loyal. They stopped caring that they were doing experiments on people turning them into monsters and even on children. Like Cortazar. After they messed with his mind, he no longer gave a shit about anything except continuing his experiments
In the novella 'The Vital Abyss' there are some details about the relationship between the Protogen security and research teams. The security teams would keep them at arms length and had not had their brains altered like the researchers had.
They were for the most part holding their own and eventually succeeded in boarding a Martian capital ship. It wasn't all that suicidal.
They all died, that isn't holding your own.
The 2 ships that boarded the Donnager have a crew capacity of 100 for boarding missions. Not everyone on the ship is going to board, but let's just say they do. So that's 200 boarders against the Donnager's crew of 2068. So the Donnager's crew outnumbers the boarders at least 10:1 and has home field advantage. Why would the captain choose to self destruct rather than fight the boarding party?
https://expanse.fandom.com/wiki/Amun-Ra-class
https://expanse.fandom.com/wiki/Donnager-class
Boarding parties were probably better armed and equipped with space suits. The crew of the battleship, despite being military personnel, probably weren't well armed individually and didn't have space suits. Even with numerical advantage, it would be a one sided fight.
Donnager class is supposed to carry a complement of Marines for expeditionary duty and for repelling boarders. The fact that the Donnie's crew was taken by surprise just shows a lack of proper training and readiness of the crew.
When general quarters is called that should theoretically mean that the Marines get armed and suited for a fight.
The issue is that the Donnager was taken completely by surprise. It’s emphasized in more detail in the novelization but she’s equipped with a state-of-the-art sensor suite that allows for enhanced detection and identification of enemy vessels clear across the system. The only reason the battle was lost was because the Amun-Ra class caught them by total surprise. Even the best soldier is fricked if he’s killed before accessing his weapon.
Because it’s trivially easy to render a ship unlivable once you have access to engineering or CIC. This is explained a bit more in book 4, when there is the rebellion on the Behemoth. This is all forgetting of course that though the Donnager destroyed four ship, it was only after taking heavy fire. Mucho of the crew was likely dead, and many were probably sealed in bulkheads.
Murtry did nothing wrong
His point of view was totally understandable, as the belters threw the first stone so to speak.
I agree even in the books. Amos is a murderer but he’s wacky and lovable. Murtry’s a murderer but it’s totally despicable. The notion that everyone wouldn’t genocide the belters is totally unbelievable, after the attack every single person on Earth would want to wipe the system clean of them
He was a corporate dicksucker can't get much more wrong
>The notion that everyone wouldn’t genocide the belters is totally unbelievable
1000% true. There would be nowhere for belters to hide. Complete belter genocide. Which, can we honest, they deserve for being such Black folk all the time.
I mean after the asteroid it was pure immersion-killing parody that they didn’t want to genocide them.
I mean, they’re all still reliant on earth, even if you ignore the sheer magnitude of innocent deaths. should be exterminated on principle alone and cooperators like Naomi, drummer, etc assimilated.
Not all Belters were in on it. There's millions of Belters and in various factions. That was the idea of Marco, that he would unify a lot of them into a fighting force to strike at the inners. They did want to strike back at Marco's forces, but he had a large fleet of advanced Martian warships and had the upper hand for a while as Earth tried to recover. As well as Earth's forces getting backstabbed by Laconia's forces helping Marco then Marco taking control of the Ring. Marco's forces do get destroyed, and the remaining Belters were not a threat to Earth.
The silliest part is how Holden and them just can't understand Murty's side whatsoever. It's absolutely guaranteed that if when the Roci was landing, the belters blew up the pad, crashing his ship and killing Naomi and Amos, that Holden would have been out for blood and killed them. But noooo, Murtry is so evil for wanting the same and for killing belters who were actively planning to murder him and the rest of his guys.
belters are a disadvantaged people force to internalize violence at the hands of inners
>it's not their fault!
>they don't have a choice but to act like complete terrorists!
Whatever you say, apologist.
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Y-you too
seeing lane pryce speaking the fake creole with his british accent slipping through was uncanny
Bro just stay away from my spaceport
you're forgetting this happens AFTER Holden becomes Space Jesus, he has ascended beyond bloodlust
just like we genocided all muslims after 9/11? oh wait
The muslims didn’t kill hundreds of millions fricktard. And yes, if you’re not an underage zoomer everyone fricking hated anything related to muslims in the immediate aftermath. If they performed an equivalent attack and killed 100 million Americans every single person left over would want them gone.
>How the FRICK did Protogen get employees that are so loyal?
Expanse society is a globohomosexual dystopia on steroids, the crowds mixed with Black folk and poos walking everywhere.
People born into this hell see death as a release.
I don't know why, but "the expanse" is my go-to to watch while enjoying some whiskey. It helps with immersion and dulls the senses enough that the plot-holes don't bother me too much and also helps with tolerating whining Naomi.
How about you guys?
inb4 ewww, drugs, straight edge for lyfe, homie!
I like it too. It's a pleasant show with a lot of comfy scenes in between the action. Way more interesting to watch than any other current scifi
I just like that feeling in the early series of like hustling activity and a populated system with people jobbing around in ships all the time. would kill for a show that did more of that.
stuff showing the hassle of living in space, side stories, occasional mystery or ongoing intrigue. I just miss that feeling of watching a show and just constantly moving.
They literally lobotomized them didn't you watch the show?
And most of them were sociopaths and fanatics to begin with.
see
Why were martians so smug?
you would be smug too if you had to deal with filthy belters
They were the embodiment of
>my life is so hard I am so dark
>I'm so tough. You wouldn't even believe how tough I am
I know they are raised that way, but damn does it get old quick.
A lotta loyalty for hired guns
I skip any scene that is about this character. I find her very whiny and annoying. Sucks the life out of the show.
She’s a character that is more reserved in the books, her scenes were much less annoying since she’s generally portrayed as controlled while in the show she is wildly whinging excessively. But the books also have their fair share of stupid shit so in the end the benefit is you have your mind’s eye to make it normal
This has got to be one of the worst performances of any actor on a non daytime soap opera show of all time. Christ I hate this character and the actor's portrayal. Worse than Naomi.
Forgot pic. Frick this kid and his whole family for ruining my formerly favorite show.
Say what you will about him, but at least he's a great casting choice
What cringe theater kid D&D podcast did they find this scenery-masticator in? Christ. He over acts harder than a religious pedophile when he's decrying it as sin.
Because communism believes capitalism is evil. And therefore you have to create a fake evil corporation boogieman to justify your communist ideology
Even Drummer is ok with executing Belter traitors.
Have you seen their healthcare plan?
Was his cancelation warranted? Were the allegations ever substantiated in anyway? Genuinely curious. Because his character was my favorite and his loss dealt the show a serious blow imo.
No and no, it's horseshit it happened at all
Well frick the showrunners then. Can't believe they did my boy like that over some unsubstantiated nonsense from a hoe.
If Cortasar is any indication, ProtoGen was more than happy to mindfrick people into fanaticism.
What the frick was her problem?
Anna hop ins
what exactly is stealth tech on a meteor? what exactly it hides?
does it make it invisible to naked eyes etc?
it sounds like a stealth ship and a stealthy rock should be completely different techs, it is dumb
It hides it from a planet's radar so you can smash meteors into Earth and frick it up instead of them shooting the meteors down. You are dumb.
my question how that magic radar detects things and how stealth tech prevents that. a rock is pretty stealthy already, no heat, no transmission, no electronics etc
Physical objects reflect radio waves. So if you pulse radio waves into your environment and read the returns you can find out
>the size of things
>how fast those things are moving
>what direction those things are going
This is called active radar, where you send out a signal and wait for the reflection. The ways to avoid detection by active radar are
>be small compared to the sensor resolution so you look like noise
>be outside of the radar emitters detection volume
E.g. "Under the Radar"
>employ special radar absorbent materials that deflect the emitted radar energy away from the detector
You may have heard before something like
>x stealth plane has the Radar Cross-Section of a small bird
What this means is that the signal returned to the radar detector is similar to that of a smaller object.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar
(me)
Another pic to help demonstrate
Asteroids are hard to see in the visual spectrum because they are dim. They also usually don't have much thermal emissivity, so they are hard to detect in that band as well. The generally most effective way to detect an incoming asteroid would be radar. So if you were to install some radar absorbent coating on an asteroid, it suddenly becomes very hard to detect.
That's what they did.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation-absorbent_material
It’s explained in more depth in the novels but they coated the asteroids in a material that both occludes them and absorbs radar material. Essentially like painting it in vantablack so it’s hard as frick to see and also hard to detect with instruments.
How it'd actually work
>insanely good compensation package including massive life insurance payout for family if you bite it during an op
How they probably wrote it (because they're hacks)
>they're debt slaves or something
>watch Expanse
>space battles are (probably) kino
>gun battles are the cringiest shit ever, with both parties standing 5-10 meters from each other and missing constantly
>makes Star Wars look like a war documentary
It's a tv show with a limited budget. And it's not like they can kill off the main characters or having them mowing down dozens of bad guys all the time.
It's a question of direction. There's a scene in the first season when the gun battles erupt on the Donnager and our crew stumbles upon a squad of Martians fighting mercs. They all stand in a corridor with barely any cover and can't hit each other, and then one of the Martians (I think the guy who sacrifices himself) turns his back to the firefight and has a chat with the guys. It's comical.
I loved the show, btw. Just a nitpick. Dunno why people keep treating guns like inaccurate past 10 meters and "if you run they can't really hit you".
>Dunno why people keep treating guns like inaccurate past 10 meters and "if you run they can't really hit you".
Californians probably
You're right, the on the ground action scenes weren't the strongest part of the show. Not anywhere as kino as Stargate, for example.
But the good sides that I liked the show for were
>space ship kino
>overarching political intrigue and mystery story
Definite weak points:
>some characters/performances being total trash
>Naomi nagata
>ground action scenes
>weak writing at times
New on Amazon Prime, what do you recommend me?
The Patriot
Hunters
The Expanse
farscape
>people thinks the indian throat cancer lady and the detective with lgbt hair are good characters
It's the future. What, you want him to have broccoli hair instead? you'd whine about that too
word to the wise
stay away from ta aqua
I didn't catch that belter kid's story that stretched over the seasons until a rewatch. Where he starts off just some punk stealing water down below, and befriends Miller when they see each other later, works his way up in the ranks of the OPA, eventially becomes radicalizing and when there's a schism they have to kill him. Didn't realize it was the same guy from many episodes before
how did wagner get employees so loyal to stage suicide attacks on bahkmut and make a suicide charge at moscow?