>the FF are seen as the absolute personification of outdated hockey-ness, even moreso than Superman
>Doom has eclipsed them in popularity for the last 4 decades
Has another villain ever outpaced the protagonist(s) of the book so much?
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Has Doom appeared in more cartoons than The Fantastic Four?
Avengers
Yeah. He was the big bad of both 80s Spidey toons. Also, a villain in Iron Man: Armored Adventures and the big bad of Superhero Squad.
Joker made 1 billion dollars, I think The Dark Knight only made 1 billion because it got re released so much over the years
Darth Vader
Palpatine too at this point, given he canonically outlived the entire Skywalker line.
He was dead when he "somehow" came back, don't be a putz.
He still lived tho.
Unlike Luke.
It’s depressing to think that luke not only died like a depressed b***h, but died a virgin as well
Nah. Doom is basically the quintessential example in comics
You're an idiot, the current FF book is great, eat a bowl of shit.
I'm sure that's comforting to the 10 people who still read F4 comics.
Fricking nerd.
Did you mean "hokey", OP?
DoomBlack folk are some of the most obnoxious subhumans on this board.
Eh
The problem with Doom and the FF isn’t that he’s just cooler than them, it’s that he looks like he belongs to a wholly different genre. Reed and Co are a bunch of guys in jumpsuits getting inside spacecrafts and uncovering alien dimensions. It’s basically capeshit Star Trek. Meanwhile Doom is straight out of an old horror comic, is King of some c**t in bumfrick nowhere, and tangles with demons on an almost daily basis. When the two come together the tonal clash is too great for it to be taken seriously. Stark is a tech-based character too, but he fits thematically with Doom on various levels and also aesthetically. Strange obviously works with him, hence all their stories together. Panther and Namor also have that Magitech feel and again, they work well with Doom. So at the end of the day he’s developed relationships with characters on his level that work far better as either frenemies or plain rivals, meaning that Reed and Co are kept in his his orbit just because of continuity.
If Reed was a solo character, a gentleman adventurer of the weird, with a more outlandish costume, and Doom was his rival, it’d work, because it’d keep them on the same level. But as it stands his very point is that he is the technical and analytical super-scientist, meaning that there’s no way to get on Doom’s level of theatricality, which harms both characters. It’s like having the Enterprise Crew go against the Chaos Space Marines every other weekday. They’re both Sci-Fantasy franchises but their roads diverge so much that you’re left with a hollow contrast.
If Doom had a feud with Tony, Strange or T’Challa, it’d work across the ages no problem. But there’s a reason his feud with Reed never reached Luthor/Superman, Xavier/Magneto, Batman/Joker, etc, levels of public discourse; it’s too idiotic. Doom eventually became the Big Bad of the entire MU and that’s how he survived into public consciousness.