Where do you see this company in 15 years? Will they have managed to course correct or will they have lost billions of dollars and been forced to sell multiple subsidiaries?
The future of Disney
Where do you see this company in 15 years? Will they have managed to course correct or will they have lost billions of dollars and been forced to sell multiple subsidiaries?
It's the fed's propaganda firm, it's not gong under. It might be cut loose since it's failing as a propaganda arm now and it may go back to doing actual shit.
>Where do you see this company in 15 years? Will they have managed to course correct or will they have lost billions of dollars and been forced to sell multiple subsidiaries?
Paramount is currently in the shitter for failing to deliver dividends. Disney currently has to foot a bill due in 2024 to Comcast for $27 BILLION dollars and they only have $200 MILLION dollars. They’re not going bankrupt but they certainly will start selling shit by next year to pay for it. Expect Paris & Shanghai to change hands as well as Lucas + Marvel to be sold to different companies (yes, even Marvel) so they’ll be able to pay the bill. Their other nuclear options are to sell 27B shares to comcast which will make them the majority owner and takeover the company or let Apple buy them up. There’s also the option to take loans but that’ll mean they will have 1.5B in interest per year to pay off the 27B loan and those have due dates; and Disney can not afford that with how costly their movies and operations are going. And even if they take the loans, that would put them in paramount’s place and the stock will drop from 80 to sub 20 and that is a mess they can’t afford
Unlike this dumbass here
they won’t be bailed out. Black rock refused which is why the internet is on fire and sleepyjoe won’t touch this with a ten foot pole. They won’t go bankrupt but they will have to sell some things.
27.5 is the minimum valuation for all of hulu
they would only have to pay comcast 1/3 of that
>27.5 is the minimum valuation for all of hulu
>they would only have to pay comcast 1/3 of that
Anon, my fren. The minimum amount they had to pay was 9 billion dollars many years ago when fox had the contract. Hulu’s valuation ballooned to 70Million now and Comcast’s percentage is currently at 27B. They even went to arbitration because Disney wants to wiggle itself out of the situation and only pay 9B and the master sided with Comcast. The heads of Comcast publicly stated they’ll execute the contract and will get paid; they aren’t settling for less or a place at the middle. All of this is because Comcast challenges Iger with their bid of fox and they knew his ego was so big that they’ll bid higher than them; which is why fox was acquired for 70B. Iger really fricked the company up and it’s absolutely no coincidence that the CFO and Diversity Officer left one after the other.
Thanks anon but I’m more worried who will buy it. The least worse case scenario is Sony, even though I have issues with them but they announced they have 13B to spend. It could get bad and someone like EA can swoop in and buy Lucas Arts or Marvel; then the franchises will continued to be fricked.
Disney is in a worse scenario right now than WBD. Zaslav only has 4B to pay by next year for their debt and that can be managed. Disney though is in a much tougher situation. If I was their accountant, I’d start looking for new jobs
70 billion* not million, that’s how much Hulu is now worth
based realistic takes
>They won’t go bankrupt but they will have to sell some things.
>The company as a whole won't collapse but there will definitely be changes.
What would you attribute to the cause of this?
Personally, I think they became too political with inserting every type of minority and making the minority identities the main focus.
>What would you attribute to the cause of this?
>Personally, I think they became too political with inserting every type of minority and making the minority identities the main focus.
This could’ve been avoided if he wasn’t insistent on acquiring other companies/properties. Fox was the nail in the coffin, woke shit was the dirt. It’s too late to go back on their mistakes
ESPN is too valuable to part with so that won’t happen. I remember someone here saying that they’d rather nail Spider-Man on the cross than give that up, and anon is right looking at their financials.
>What would you attribute to the cause of this?
>Personally, I think they became too political with inserting every type of minority and making the minority identities the main focus.
You're correct but not in the way you may have intended; them getting too political wasn't the biggest problem, but it did cause some major problems.
Iger hired on left-leaning people who then hired on likeminded people because he was intent on running for President after his time at Disney ended. But then they started getting the company into trouble. The biggest was last year when the Chief Diversity Officer pushed for retaliation against DeSantis over his new laws and strongarmed Chapek to walk back his statements about getting out of politics. Since that ended up costing them control of Reedy Creek (and months later news outlets trying to interview the Chief DIversity Officer found out Disney wasn't allowing her to take interviews), it's implied that Disney people were pissed and muzzled her for possibly costing them billions. She since got let go recently.
But the biggest thing that caused this problem was Iger going out and buying Fox, and starting up Disney+
The stakes in Hulu were originally split between Fox, Disney, Comcast, and WB, with the former three having the most and WB having like 10% or something
Disney bought out Fox with stock and cash (and if you calculate based on what's reported, it means Iger used $35 billion in cash to buy Fox), which meant they got Fox's share of Hulu combined with the shares Disney has of Hulu and became its majority shareholder
If Fox had bought out WB years ago instead, they would've become the majority shareholder instead
It’s like they deliberately want to fail. I don’t understand how these mba grads get these jobs
Not really. It’s just the constant dilution of their IP by trying to fill Disney + with content.
>Disney currently has to foot a bill due in 2024 to Comcast for $27 BILLION dollars and they only have $200 MILLION dollars.
How is that even possible? Disney is losing money. What happens if they can't pay? I'm guessing no serious repercussions. But I hope there is.
>How is that even possible?
Disney dug it’s own grace when it bought Fox and inherited the contract that makes them contractually obligated to buy the rest of the shares from Comcast, at the current market rate upon execution
>Disney is losing money. What happens if they can't pay? I'm guessing no serious repercussions. But I hope there is.
They have to pay, they agreed so on the dotted line. Creditors will come knocking & the stock will dip pretty badly, plus heavy fines on top of still being legally obligated to pay at that moment. They’re currently in arbitration and Comcast has the advantage with the special master siding with them that their stake is worth 27 billion. If you read the thread up at the top, Disney has a few options and their most sensible one is to sell assets (or if Iger wants to leave with a golden parachute, then sell to Apple)
There’s no escape
Disney's trump card is that they actually legally have the right to sue everyone who has ever sang or played any of their songs to a crowd of more than 2 people. So their final move will be to file a reverse class action lawsuit against white people to raise enough funds to pay their debts.
Nah that shit’s all made up, always is when big numbers are involved. Just move some things around and shake a few hands
What use is propaganda no one watches?
like with the ussr, if the state needs to prop up propaganda no one is watching you know things are in its last stage
>What use is propaganda no one watches?
For scoring ESG cred in order to qualify for bailouts + loans. They don't give a single frick if no one watches their shit. It's all about pushing the Message™ these days.
>its all about pushing the Message™
To no one in particular?
Disney is much more than their animation department OP. They'll be exactly where they are, still churning out dogshit.
They will course correct, I could see them selling fox stuff though. I do not see them selling Espn.
They'll probably keep all the Marvel stuff (X-men, Fantastic 4, etc) and The Simpsons (cause that's been a large part of their branding lately)
Like the other anon said, Marvel will probably be sold despite their wishes; it’s the only thing that can be sold at twice the price they bought it to fix their problems. Simpsons and fox franchises like alien as a collective won’t break 5B which is the inherent issue.
the fox stuff is only shit for the streaming service nobody gives a frick about and the X-Men(that is part of Mahvel now), only if they close Hulu and Disney+ they'll sell that.
They will keep running their IPs into the ground while occasionally making new shit that nobody cares about.
They aren't ever going away but their growth will be stagnant over the next decades.
It's going to be turbo 1970-1985 Disney only this time the erosion of real talent in the animation department and the rise of calarts trained trannies in its stead means that there's no Katzenberg waiting in the wings to save it all with a new renaissance.
That sounds nice but what will happen to the non-whites? Are they wiped out? I'll accept that even if I have to die with the rest.
a bob iger bot will literally come to your house and frick your ass
Disney makes 8 billion a year from their parks, and this is growing steadily. They will continue to put out trash because they don't give a shit.
No one goes to the parks anymore
Nu Wars land is a failure, not just the LARP hotel
Kids aren't going to a theme park filled with Black person Disney princesses, parents aren't going to send their children to a theme park with groomer troony cast members
>No one goes to the parks anymore
Nah, the parks are packed. WDW is the most visited theme park in the world. It's the one area they haven't completely fricked up yet.
Forced to down size soon
Mark my words they will be bought out or there will be a reorganization of the company in the next few years, they are devaluing the company on purpose so insiders can get in cheaply
I think they'll end up selling multiple subsidiaries and things. Despite people insisting that Lucasfilm can't be sold, I could see that happening based on how many problems it's caused Disney.
It's also feasible that they sell the entire company to Apple.
The company as a whole won't collapse but there will definitely be changes.
Mickey Mouse is public domain next year, so what else will be public domain by then?
>Mickey Mouse is public domain next year
Only the first appearance and that in itself has issues, they could sue someone due to imitating trade dress which is the way your products look like
In 15 years? That's 2038
So that would mean by then stuff from 1943 is public domain, if nothing changes.
That would cover a lot of Disney cartoons and characters
The version i know is that everytime Mickey is close to become public domain, they change the law.
Yeah but that was back when they had more money
Nope, it ends in less than a year. Shills will try to scare you about "muh trademark" but ignore them it's fake news. (Or rather not relevant unless you need to know specifics on how the character can be used)
They should 100% sell Star Wars
It'll still exist but be massively reduced in size and relevance. Pixar won't exist any more and they'll be forced to sell off huge chunks of the company, probably Fox and the broadcast television parts (ESPN and ABC).
ESPN makes too much for Disney to let it go completely
Fox stuff and ABC I could see
>Where do you see this company in 15 years?
100% brown and queer hopefully
Lmao
Division of Apple.
Apple is going to purchase them whole.
>Apple is going to purchase them whole.
>Disney land/world now requires the latest iPhone to enter
That would be funny
>Disney land/world now requires the latest iPhone to enter
It practically already does, you can't function in the park anymore without their shitty app
I watched an interesting video where this guy shows they lost billions of dollars by trying to sell everything through their channel instead of licensing it out to places like Netflix or Amazon Prime incredibly fricking stupid management
>forced to sell multiple subsidiaries?
To who?
>Will they have managed to course correct
You do realise the millennial infiltration of these industries is only beginning. It's going to get a lot worse before it get remotely better. Its going to take a miracle from gen z to turn things around and by then most of you will be in a nursing home.
Ideally bankrupt, with all of their copyrights sold off to philanthropists who place them into the public domain.
You do realize that the biggest reason that disney is doing bad is because of the fascist governor of florida? Once he's gone they'll easily recover.
Disney is “doing bad” because the captive market they had locked down for decades vanished around 2010.
>Disney is “doing bad” because the captive market they had locked down for decades vanished around 2010.
And why is that?
Video games, social media, internet, streaming. Fractionalization of the entertainment market.
This.
Disney's collapse is 100% due to the collapse in white birthrates after 1995. Even the later years of the Renaissance era like Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, etc saw flagging box office numbers because there simply weren't as many white 5 year olds in 1997-2002 as there were in 1989-1995 during the peak of the millennial baby boom, and the success of the more mature Pixar/DreamWorks CGI films (which took off because they were family animated films that the parents of that 5 year old girl who saw Lion King in 1994 could still get her to want to go see with them in 2002 when she was now 13) masked the effects of that demographic decline.
The fact is that since the 1940s, white families have more or less kept the lights on in Hollywood because brown people are generally either too poor or too disorganized to go see the movies, and now that white families are an ever-shrinking minority in the US, total box office revenues have been in more or less continuous freefall for the past 20 years or so and nobody has any fricking clue whatsoever about how to deal with it.
First off, none of yoy morons know anything about finance or business. Disney isn't going to die because they out bad movies, they have too many assets in other areas for bad movies to hurt them as a company.
shut up mickey you're public domain now
>First off, none of yoy morons know anything about finance or business. Disney isn't going to die because they out bad movies, they have too many assets in other areas for bad movies to hurt them as a company.
Hi Bobby
You didn't read the thread, shill
Toy Story 7
Frozen 5
Monster Inc 4
Star Wars reboot
IronMan MCU reboot
They'll be fine
I'm more worry about what will happen to Pixar
It already happened. Pixar died in 2009.
See:
What happened to Pixar was that the white millennials who grew up watching Pixar movies in the 90s eventually started WORKING for Pixar in the 2010s as the boomers who made all of the 1995-2005 kino era Pixar films all started to retire but the problem was that due to the generally collapsing white fertility rates and the general economic malaise of the post-2008 Obama stagflation era none of the millennials working at Pixar have settled down and had kids themselves and instead of being family films lovingly crafted by boomer parents for their own children like 1995-2010 era Pixar films were the 2010s and beyond shit is nothing but unhappy emotionally stunted childless 30 something millennials who live alone in condos eating Trader Joe's microwave Indian food dinners and schlicking it to Bridgertons while the rescue pitbull mix watches uncomfortably now see the films they're making as little more than propaganda outlets for their own ideological neuroses because lmao it's not like they have kids to make them for anyways.
same shit
>apple buys them
still same shit
the only people who think apple is going to buy disney is disney
Taking government handouts
They're going to start buying shit like Chipotle and Lime scooters
>What happened to Pixar was that the white millennials who grew up watching Pixar movies in the 90s eventually started WORKING for Pixar in the 2010s as the boomers who made all of the 1995-2005 kino era Pixar films all started to retire but the problem was that due to the generally collapsing white fertility rates and the general economic malaise of the post-2008 Obama stagflation era none of the millennials working at Pixar have settled down and had kids themselves and instead of being family films lovingly crafted by boomer parents for their own children like 1995-2010 era Pixar films were the 2010s and beyond shit is nothing but unhappy emotionally stunted childless 30 something millennials who live alone in condos eating Trader Joe's microwave Indian food dinners and schlicking it to Bridgertons while the rescue pitbull mix watches uncomfortably now see the films they're making as little more than propaganda outlets for their own ideological neuroses because lmao it's not like they have kids to make them for anyways.
What happened to Pixar was that the white millennials who grew up watching Pixar movies in the 90s eventually started WORKING for Pixar in the 2010s as the boomers who made all of the 1995-2005 kino era Pixar films all started to retire but the problem was that due to the generally collapsing white fertility rates and the general economic malaise of the post-2008 Obama stagflation era none of the millennials working at Pixar have settled down and had kids themselves and instead of being family films lovingly crafted by boomer parents for their own children like 1995-2010 era Pixar films were the 2010s and beyond shit is nothing but unhappy emotionally stunted childless 30 something millennials who live alone in condos eating Trader Joe's microwave Indian food dinners and schlicking it to Bridgertons while the rescue pitbull mix watches uncomfortably now see the films they're making as little more than propaganda outlets for
Are you ok
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I'd add that the urban/rural polarization in this country has gotten worse, so there's no shared sense of "universality"