Shot in the dark here but I was reading some reviews of the film from the time it came out and it was well received for the most part, which is surprising to me. For any older anons, do you remember your reaction to the film after you saw it the first time?
And in general, does the new cut improve the film at all?
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I've only seen the image you've got there and it was a pretty good film. Don't know how different it is to the original. I was shocked by the twist at the end
It's a really good movie that wobbles in a few places, but it's a masterpiece overall. The director's cut tightens up the storytelling and refocuses the plot on the Vatican conspiracy more, which is very important to the moral arc of the film.
His scream on the steps at the end is one the most brutal scenes in cinema.
>I would burn in hell to keep you safe.
The chronological mini series cut is better imo. Less in your face about the parallels and differences dynamic in 2.
Is it true Coppola changed the ending? That was my favorite part and almost justified movie's existence. The rest of the movie was pretty bad
Code reworks the structure of the film to really focus on his spiritual state, and the ending of the film is his spiritual death. He dies on those steps. His scream is, much like that line from Scent of a Woman, the execution of his soul. The film ends with him sitting in the chair an old man, alive, but without his spirit.
>Your sins are terrible. It is just that you suffer. Your life could be redeemed, but I know you don't believe that. You will not change.
He told his daughter that he would burn in hell to keep her safe, and even that is taken from him. When she dies, he dies with her. And all that is left is old man left to live out the final years of his life alone.
Isn't that the same ending as Part II?
Don't be moronic
Not really. Godfather 3 is about a man desperate to change, who can't escape the past. He can't escape his sins. It leads on from the ending of Part 2, yes, but his maniac behavior in 3 is a man who has tried to be forgiven and the walls are closing around him, and worst of all his children are in danger because nothing he can do can absolve him of his sins.
I agree with some of the criticisms of the theatrical cut, but it's a great movie, and the Coda cut is even better. Hating Godfather 3 is one of those opinions where I sometimes feel like people are just following the crowd and/or hating a sequel because it didn't give them what they wanted.
Haven't seen the new cut but I dunno what the frick was people's problem with it. It was a fitting end to the godfather.
I feel like a lot of people genuinely don't understand that in Godfather 3, Michael has changed, or at least he has tried so hard to change who he is. People complained that he feels like a completely different person to Godfather 2, but that's the whole goddamn point. It's the fricking TEXT of the movie. His desperation to create a better world for his children, to redeem his soul through good works, to earn his wife's forgiveness, to earn God's forgiveness.
Yeah I guess that's what people don't get. He was trying so hard not to become his father and not drag his children into the "family business".
I was moved almost to the point of tears just watching Al Pacino stare into the distance at the end of Godfather II, I just want to burst out laughing when I watch him scream about thunder in Godfather III.
Appreciate the insight here guys. I saw the film over a decade ago and got filtered by the Vatican stuff and sort of just treated it like a meme Andy Garcia flick. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the Coppola rework.
Not paying Robert Duval was a massive mistake. The original plan of Michael vs Tom would have been kino. Instead we get cousin incest and some convoluted Vatican Bank plot.
They replaced him with some goofy TV actor and made that character basically irrelevant. It's really awkward. I can't believe they couldn't shit out 3 million for Duvall.
Duvall was an oscar winner also. Hollywood is run by a bunch of hyman roths.
That's not what I hear. I TALKED to Barzini
I have watched 4848485u38w82i283838383ixndnskznzjdieie838991 documentaries and listened to 483828929kkzznns388382 podcasts on The Godfather and not one of them ever bring up how fricking weird his ADR line delivery there was. I only hear about it on Cinemaphile.
Saw it when it came out. Not bad, but disappointing.
The new cut does improve it. In the original cut, his daughter is aware of his criminal enterprise and repeatedly grills him for it throughout, in the new cut she's an innocent girl completely ignorant of her father's work, which makes her death much more effective
>cut Sofia screen time
>movie instantly improves
it was nominated for best picture
I haven't seen any of the Godfather films.
The problem with Godfather III is that it's a clear betrayal of who Michael Corleone was in Godfather I and Godfather II. He was a man who was slowly becoming more and more isolated, losing more of his humanity, becoming more and more ruthless in the pursuit of protecting his family, and the natural tragic conclusion of such a story is for the conflict to move inwards towards the very family he is protecting. Instead he's just a sad old man who Pacino plays without any of the reservation and subtlety that carried the first two movies, screaming his lines out with enough ham to feed an army.
I've always felt like Tywin's story in Game of Thrones is what Godfather III should have been. A Machiavellian patriarch so devoid of love for those he ruthlessly fights for, up to the point where his death comes from the last place he expects: His own maligned child.
OUR TRUE ENEMY, IS YET TO REVEAL HIMSELF
It was the Pope all along?
>Instead he's just a sad old man who Pacino plays without any of the reservation and subtlety that carried the first two movies, screaming his lines out with enough ham to feed an army.
I don't know what happened to Pacino in the late 80s, but he lost all the subtleties that made him an all timer. It's like that Harry Nilsson album where he blows his voice out and never sounds the same.
I am a younger anon and watched it (the new cut) for the first time recently, I like the Michael scenes and his story arc as a tired old man but the whole thing with his nephew/successor and daughter felt rushed and hamfisted
I'd rather watch Dick Tracy
It only suffers in relation and comparison to the other movies, which are legitimately brilliant. 3 is a good film too, with some nice callbacks and nostalgia, that wraps Michael’s tale up well, if not really the family’s or the business. The whole “Vincent just takes it all over” doesn’t really ring true, especially after the opera slaughter. Or maybe he had a part 4 in mind “Vincento’s revenge…”
I think the biggest issue (besides feeling so different from the first two movies) is how unnecessary it feels after the ending of Part II.
I’m glad it exists solely for that line that Silvio uses multiple times in the Sopranos and it’s a decent film in its own right, but just kind of not necessary to watch after the first two movies.
Joey Zaza died way too soon and should have been the overarching villain of the film
I wish that guy didn't do TV horseshit for the rest of his career. He's got in that and the Mahmet gambling film.
Yeah, the trilogy doesn't really work without Michael's comeuppance in Part 3. I guess some people just liked the ebin mafiashit aspect without realizing the trilogy is a moral tragedy. Part 3 is the most spiritual too, which I guess is a turnoff for the generation that a few years later canonized Pulp Fiction.
>I guess some people just liked the ebin mafiashit aspect without realizing the trilogy is a moral tragedy.
What the frick are you talking about? The most famous scene in the entire series is Michael murdering all his enemies while his sister's baby is being baptized.
All of the films are tragedies, but part III is a bad tragedy.
Actual brainlet. Read the post slowly next time.
Part 3 is about how Michael eats shit for failing to to be more like his father in regards to how he conducts himself around professional and personal relationships. The entire film could've been condensed and squeezed into Part II, but that's just not Coppola's style. It's a good film that brings closure and reassures the viewer that Michael didn't get off easy after being such a wrathful Don.