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why cant they just use tractor beams and just whip people onto a planet
A tractor beam alone would not protect you from anything. It would be lethal
ok tractor beam + shield
It tracts the air and pressure along with you.
that would be de tractor beam
HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW
my dads been farming beans his whole life with a tractor
Sneed
G-diffuser systems activate.
Depends on the method of teleporting obviously. Not really a debate since both are used
He literally provided the two different methods in the OP, Einstein. Any teleporter that involves you vanishing in one spot and reappearing in another is killing the original.
If we can pull in Cinemaphile culture teleporters use singularities to bend spacetime enough to “swap” the area of space at the start and destination.
So you aren’t killed, you and the local area of space gets moved somewhere else.
that's what the minds claim, anyway. trust the minds, monkey.
You just described a portal. Why is everyone so confused by this?
Not in Star Trek.
Star Trek is the most popular example of the first method, except for a couple of uses of the second, mentioned itt. What’s your point?
Your soul/consciousness is canonically separate from your body in Star Trek.
As it is in basically every other story. What are you going on about?
That the idea that Star Trek transporters kill you (ending your consciousness forever) and create a copy of you (separate consciousness) is wrong.
Anon, read the fricking thread. You’re about three hours and fifty is points behind here.
It depends heavily on which episode you're watching. There's one where Riker gets cloned by the teleporter, which would mean the kill/copy theory is correct, and there's one where Broccoli pulls a guy who grabs a guy out of teleporter mid-transport, proving that it's just moving you bit by bit. The real answer is "don't think about it, it just works".
>Portal is static relative to the nearest, biggest mass
>Other portal is static relative to its nearest, biggest mass
There, I solved the thread, can we go to bed now?
All that shows is it operates by destroying you one part at a time. And I don’t think there is a need to point out the absurdity of trying to say “just don’t think about it” in a thread devoted to thinking about it.
How about the weird episode that de-aged them and seemed to exist just to force Colm Meaney to perform a scene where a twelve year old girl tries to have sex with him.
this "vanish in one spot and appear in another" idea is from how computers move files.
Well, it came from before computers capable of that existed, zoomer, but nice attempt.
>computers didn't exist in the 60s
>Star Trek invented the concept of teleportation
literally at least as old as the new testament
no that's
>appear in one spot
>vanish in another
Not true. The file remains as it was, unchanged, what changes is an abstraction of its location.
No, you’re thinking of a shortcut. Transferring a file involves duplicating it to a new location and either deleting or retaining the original. There is no abstraction.
The file remains completely unchanged on the HDD. I know what I’m talking about. The only thing that’s changed is where it’s identified to be according to whichever filesystem is used.
Again, moron, you’re describing a shortcut. If you’re moving a file on a single drive you aren’t moving anything, you’re changing the shortcut in the gui. If you had two brain cells to run together, you’d realize we’re talking about transferring a file to another hard drive.
Unironically this image explains the difference
As does the OP image. Yet again, what’s your point?
Doom, teleporter exist.
Doom is a portal, not a teleporter. Try again.
But demons in Doom teleport.
Nah, they just port.
Without portals?
No different than teleporting without a teleporter. We call it lazy writing.
demons don't have souls. just like you can microwave a banana but not a person.
Demans are just bad souls. Angel are good souls.
Teleportation is like time travel. It's magic and won't ever make sense because it's impossible. It doesn't matter what Einstein said.
death is just a loading screen
Help
Me
Doctor Dick
Umm chuddy "you" don't actually matter cuz cell division or something
Portals never consider the velocity or trajectory of the celestial bodies they’re on. If you opened a wormhole on earth you end up with a laser beam that slices a curve through the entire earth instantly an transposes a door-sized section as long as the earth’s diameter to another location at 67,000 mph while spinning at 1000mph
your forgetting about momentum. it solves the issue
Wormholes are folds in space between two points. They are definitionally fixed while the earth is in constant motion.
not really
In English, Einstein
Is there a way you can describe this to me with office supplies?
*drills a hole in a stapler*
>paper
>folded
>pencil
That simple enough for ya?!
listen wIse-guy you can't just go around folding everybody's pencils up like it's nobody's business
>can create a fricking portal
>can't simply move the portal to compensate
moron
>bro it’s just magic
seriously Black person if you can make a portal you can do whatever math you need to adjust its target based on the motion of the planets
i think they even talk about this directly in star trek
Star Trek doesn’t have portals, except for the time thing maybe. They have teleporters.
iolians or whatever the frick that ancient advanced species was called used portals. They found one in a TNG episode
i'm drunk, i was thinking of star trek compensating for relative motion in teleporting
>if they have the technology to project light they should have the technology to make 3d omnidirectional holograms
Opening a wormhole (folding space in a single point) seems quite easier than opening a wormhole that instantly opens and closes at 67,000 mph while spinning 1000mph, especially one that you can walk through without being cut up. Maybe portals can work in space I guess.
>move the portal to compensate
>you just made a very expensive doorway
A doorway to another world, yeah
You think you are spinning at 1000 mph and not being flung into space, or torn apart by perfectly balanced gravity (which perfectly varies by latitude)?
how is that relevant?
It's relevant to the earth not moving so the entire argument is nonsensical.
The earth is moving though.
the earth is a fixed point of reference, it literally isn't moving
The earth rotates. Your tangential speed with respect to the core increases as you near the equator.
nope the universe rotates around the earth. fixed point of reference.
>fixed point of reference
gibberish
fixed.
Yeah, they do. Go read Known Space you fricking pleb. Transfer booths and stepping disks can accommodate 200 m/s of velocity difference from start to end.
that isn't very much. did you mean km/s?
No, they are absolutely anemic. If you have to move between two places on a planet with a difference in velocity beyond that, you have to go through a bunch of intermediate booths/disks to compensate for it. This isn't a big deal because it's done too quickly to even notice.
>”portals (in movies and popular culture) never account for this”
>well you haven’t read my obscure fanfic ijdiot
Ya got me
It's Larry Niven, one of the most celebrated sci-fi authors of our time. Most of the shit you enjoy was directly inspired by him in some way or another.
I hate when people try to outsmart made up concepts like this, especially when they can't even pull it off without pretending some obvious variable (momentum) is being ignored by the fiction when it isn't
Explain how a portal has mass
Dark matter
Momentum of what?
the portal
The portal (assuming it’s a wormhole like it often is) has 0 momentum. It cannot move as it has no mass and is literally just a fold in a plane of space. That’s why the earth would just shoot right through it as soon as humans manifested it.
Like imagine the Hadron Collider made a lil black hole, it wouldn’t move around with earth it would just stay there.
>it would just stay there
the particles that created it all had momentum, the sum of momentum is transferred to the black hole, it wouldn't just stay there
>particles
Particles of what? Tears in space don’t move, otherwise they’d be rips.
>rip
>tear
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Meant folds. Im gay
>The portal (assuming it’s a wormhole like it often is) has 0 momentum
incorrect
seems like you need to go back to science class
~~*science class*~~
Honestly I doubt the concept of wormholes at all but if they exist they wouldn’t be able to move without the universe breaking. I know you can pull up 30 LE HECKIN QUANTUM PHYSICS! articles about why ackshully they can do that but quantum physicists are just sci-fi writers who couch their scripts in math.
Mini black holes do exist, and they obey gravity like everything else. When they are created they fall to the center of the largest gravity well, I.e. the center of the earth.
yeah no they don’t.
Oh ok.
The device holds the portals in place.
Anon gravity is literal fold in space. Planets drag the space around them.
It’s just magnets. Quantum physics is atheist religion.
It can be assumed they are affected by gravity and therefore this wouldn’t be a problem
you are stupid as frick
Explain how a fixed fold in the plane of space is considerate of a heliocentric model. Out of the kindness of its heart? Play less video games Reddit.
But why would they even add a kill-function to a cloning machine?
And why you want your entire being copied into by corporate owned machine?
Can the data be edited (for example to remove cancer cells or whatever)? Would you want to be cured if it meant the original you died?
>But why would they even add a kill-function to a cloning machine?
They don't, they reprogram your brain so now your original body is their slave.
>Can the data be edited (for example to remove cancer cells or whatever)? Would you want to be cured if it meant the original you died?
i mean you die either way, so you might as well let a cured version of you live right? You might have kids that still need a father etc..
>letting a stranger raise your kids
Plotwise, it's probably easier to reassemble according to original layout, than it is to diagnose and remove illness and reassemble without breaking
>That's not possible chud
Getting 1 human to a shithole base on mars is impossible. If you want real life watch the news not scifi
Science teleporters make a copy. Fantasy portals transport you.
Fantasychads we won
great sci fi book to read about teleportation is Rogue Moon, the ending blew my mind
i won't buy your book
Come on man, my sales have dropped off since the it was published in the 60's
well who's fault is that?
not my fault since Cinemaphile wasnt invented back then how could i shill it?
use the telly like other normal blokes
I’m reading this tonight anon you better be on the level
What's the ending?
if we invented either technology we'd instantly cascade into a exponetially accelerating self-fueling technological renaissance that would render our species as godlike energy entites playing 7D chess with abstract exotic physics across infinite dimensions inside a year of it's invention.
sicifi is low IQ npc slop
It's not a debate, the star trek transporter beam takes your molecules and then puts them back together at the destination. Nothing is copied and nobody is killed.
False.
that was a malfunction. likely it somehow took extra riker atoms from the mirror universe and split rikers conciseness across two bodies.
The only malfunction was it not destroying the original. The teleported person is built from random atoms existing at the location. Even if it used the same atoms, it wouldn’t matter. “You” aren’t the sum of your atoms, you are a stream of consciousness.
It matters for the version of "you" that dies. There is a videogame that does a great job explaining this, SOMA was it I think
Wrong again. They litteraly explain that the transporter buffer exists so that you can't create copies, meaning that if it was disabled you could
>puts them back together
Back together from what state?
The transporter in Star Trek is basically a fax machine. Its transmits a copy of you to the destination point. It literally scans in a pattern of you, obliterates you into pure energy then using the pattern of you it has saved uses energy to create the copy of you at the destination point. There are multiple episodes across all the movies and series in Star Trek where the transporters frick up. They've had incidents where the people weren't assembled properly from their pattern and the person came out as a dying blob on the other end. They've had episodes where the transporter fricks up, successfully creates the copy of the person at the destination but thought it didn't so it recreated the person at the original location so now there were two of the person. They even had an episode where a two people were copied over each other creating a combination of both people
Every time you step into a transporter in Star Trek you basically die and a copy of you appears where you're "beamed"
never watched star trek, how does the crew cope with that? or is it basically just ignored and used in some episodes for the horror aspect?
Characters occasionally have problems with it and they’re treated like crumudgninly old men (TOS) or overly anxious incels (TNG) and end up gaslighting them into being teleported.
so its literally “you will get in ze teleporter”
Barkley (which is a self insert for the trekkie viewer) is forced to get therapy for “teleported anxiety” and they try to shoehorn him into away missions whenever possible. Bones (the ships doctor) in TOS is teleported against his will on many occasions for comedic effect.
homies should've filed their religious exemption forms
>religion?
>oh we moved past all that years ago, along with money and the spark of meaningful life
Worth noting that enough of the OG Enterprise's crew was Christian or at least abrahamic observant for it to have a chapel installed, so lolno you still need to get into ze teleporter.
Well thats a shame. If you believe in God(s) and a soul then dying and being recreated wouldn't be a huge problem. Your soul would still exist just fine through the teleporter process and the Gods are there to guide it to your new body so it doesn't matter if you died or not.
Oh well, lets all have lifelong crippling anxiety about death instead.
I do wonder what the writers were really thinking throughout all this. Whether it was a dumb luddite morality issue, or if they were aware of the obvious repercussions and wanted to point this out without messing with the necessary in-universe rules. A mix of both, I’m sure.
They never seem to touch on the metaphysical aspect to teleporting with characters who have fears about doing it. Bones doesn’t like it because he’s a doctor and knows what the smallest change can do to the human body. Barkley is scared for similar reasons, he thinks he won’t get put back together right or will get merged to a wall.
you can't ever deconstruct and reconstruct something. it will always be unique
and for humans in that case it means they stop existing, death
If your brain stops working but doctors resuscitate you are you a different person?
>if a person goes into a different room and comes back are they the same person?
atheists are THIS dumb lol
Not even close to what I was getting at, holy science. Ship of Theseus bruv. If you can’t be deconstructed and reconstructed instantly then what if we did it 1 atom at a time over 30 years? Praise science!
>Ship of Theseus
it's the same ship dude, ever wonder why you're expected to assume the conclusion?
Yes. And in every medical case where this has happened it is observed that the patient exhibits noticeably different mannerisms and often alienates themself.
thats still the same body, idiot
>that’s still the same computer case, idiot
What makes it any different than a 1:1 atomic replica?
ok picture this, your mother with her legs spread open and a huge shit coming out
what is the difference between this and what you'd rather see in your mind's eye
I don’t remember my mom she died a long time ago so there isn’t much of a difference at all.
In reality, without omnipotence, you CANNOT replicate something 1to1, ever.
They treat it as converting people into data then re-building them.
There are episodes where people were "stored" for years before they were rebuilt without having aged.
Killing the original is probably just done for convenience sake.
>have a nice day so your clone lives on in another place
what's the fricking point then? I can kill myself now with no cloning and itd be the same for me.
All for what? so some clone can check something far away for 5 minutes and then kill himself and let another clone come back?
wtf. do clones even retain memories and conscience?
your soul is bound to your cellular makeup, so your "clone" is actually you.
Shut up Chris.
no. it clones your soul as well.
checkmate atheist.
nah
ye
the soul has mass and that this mass leaves the body upon death, resulting in a measurable difference in weight.
Only in Dan brown fiction
dan brown actually ripped it off a real life "scientist" from the 1900s
> do clones even retain memories and conscience?
Obviously. The standard mechanism is it stores an exact map of your organic construction as well as your memories. That’s where the debate lies, when something has your exact memories that thing thinks it is you, but you have still been destroyed. The same question exists in any absolute loss and subsequent restoration of consciousness. In the end it comes down to whether you believe in a soul, and whether a machine can replicate that, and if that matters to the original you.
The thing is, your body and your brain is not the same as it was yesterday. You literally cease consciousness every night when you sleep. Continuity is an illusion. The you from 5 years ago is dead. Do you grieve them?
Yes, I do. That’s why I hate going to sleep. Some studies indicate that consciousness is never totally lost in sleep, which is somewhat comforting, but there’s no way they can be sure. The real grieving is what this reality says about consciousness in general, and what an illusion it truly is. We don’t think about it because, obviously, ceasing to exist cannot be detected by the self, and the subsequent incarnation cannot detect any change, as the memories are all there and simply link up with the new existence seamlessly.
I’ll revise my statement slightly. We THINK the memories are all there. In reality there is likely a slight generational loss like copying a jpeg each time.
Get a load of this pompous butthole lol
>basic philosophical discussions make me angry
Maybe ticktock is more your speed.
Every time you remember something, the memory is retrieved to your consciousness and then the memory is stored again and is left very slightly altered by the process.
Good point. I wish I was more religious, the whole soul concept pretty neatly sidesteps all these infuriating questions on the nature of consciousness.
Have you ever undergone twilight anaesthesia in hospital? It's where they don't actually fully knock you out but basically just turn off the part of your brain that forms memories. So to you it feels like going to sleep and waking up but technically you were conscious the entire time but basically in a zombie state.
I've been blackout drunk before, which is basically the same thing.
It’s funny because I drink to avoid the loss of self I feel when going to sleep. Wait, that’s not funny at all.
or on a few xanax or kolonopin!
Is there actually a story that uses "teleports just clone people on site" but without killing the original? Probably a star trek episode
Outer Limits s7e08, person kills the traveller after they confirm they have a copy at the destination.
Yes, "Cuckoo" by Poul Anderson.
People sign up to get "teleported" over to this weird alien construct to investigate, but teleportation just creates a copy of them light years away. Eventually communications with the base cease. Some guy is sent to investigate but when his teleported clone arrives at the alien construct he finds all the clones have rioted in protest because they're treated as expendable copies. It's a tiny bit like Severance.
the prestige does exactly that
I aint steppin in no teleporter
I aint puttin my mind in no computer
I aint puttin no chips in me
stay out of my soul tech devils
Chief Firewaterfriend still afraid of photos taking his soul
it's not real and never will be, so arguing about that is only for the absolute most moronic fricking autists
In English, doc.
>pulls out a sheet of paper
>"imagine this is space"
>pulls out a sharpie
>"and THIS is us"
>folds paper in half
>keeps folding paper in half untill it's a small wad
>shoves paper wad up your ass
>writes "wienergay" on your forehead in sharpie
>draws penises on your face, and arrows pointing to your mouth
The teleport is like if you put a potato through a potato masher, but then you could reconstruct the potato on the other side
Hey morons. If you die and revive you're still you.
It's your matter, reconstructed perfectly. It's literally you. If it uses different matter it's not a teleportation device is it? For what purposes would the original be destroyed in the cloning machine you're trying to call a teleporter
You seem to be missing the core concept. If you cease to exist and then later something else exists with all your memories, you still don’t exist. Something identical to you does. Faxing something doesn’t create the same thing, it creates a copy, even if that fax machine pulped the original document’s molecules and rebuilt them exactly on the other side.
But if I have an axe and the handle breaks so I replace the handle and later the head breaks so I replace the head I still have the same axe.
The second book kinda sucks.
That's cloning. Not teleportation. This is semantics, but teleportation implies it sends you, not copying.
It’s not semantics. Teleportation has always involved the destruction of the original and recreation of a duplicate in another location. Cloning is growing a biological duplicate. It’s a basic science fiction concept, I’m not sure why it’s so confusing.
People assume it to be an instant form of travel.
True, and that includes most writers, but that isn’t what the concept entails. I get it’s fiction so you can just hand wave things, but we’re talking about the concept behind the writing here. Any way you slice it, teleportation kills the original. Portals, like wormholes or magic doors, do not. Obviously any writer can say this particular teleporter doesn’t kill the original, but without explaining how it’s just bad writing.
Why destruction? Think about teleportation as three-step process: you compress (lossless) something, you send it and you decompress it. Just like zip archive via email.
It's just some long lasting reddit talking point for le ebin horror or heckin secret depth
Even lossless compression isn’t actually lossless, that’s just a term similar to stainless steel, any form of compression results in some amount of generational loss. The process of compression is duplication based on copying data. That’s the real world though, and we’re talking about fiction.
Lossless is certainly lossless. All you are doing is mapping from one code domain to another which removes redundancy. No information is lost whatsoever.
redundancies are what make us who we are
There is no such thing as lossless compression. It doesn’t exist. What you are referring to is changing the reference location of an item. That doesn’t move or compress anything. If you, for instance, zip a video file, you aren’t actually doing anything, as a video file is already compressed and can’t be compressed again without using a video codec. If you move that file to another folder, you aren’t moving it, you are changing the reference to it. If you move that file to another storage location, you are copying the data, ideally exactly but realistically not quite exactly, and it will become corrupted after enough such movements. If it was, for instance, a raw video file(s), you can compress it, but it will no longer be raw, it will be translated to a compressed version with a noticeable loss in data. Lossless compression is just a term for less-lossy compression, confusing to laymen, I know.
Do you not know what the word destruction means? Show me one teleporter in fiction that does not involve reducing the original to base atoms at best.
>teleport to a planet surface
>have to close the prompt telling me my winTELE trial has ended
This is Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile, the prevailing concept of teleporters /here/ is based on Star Trek for better or for worse.
>it creates a copy, even if that fax machine pulped the original document’s molecules and rebuilt them exactly on the other side.
Interesting. So if I take a car, break it down into just its individual parts, then reassemble the car somewhere else, it has ceased to be the original car? Is this a way to get around import taxes?
I'd imagine the time and labour would be comparable to whatever tax.
That’s the only way it can work but often times it’s a naturally occurring thing in these shows
Meant for
Yes it would. And, in fact, many car companies get past import taxes in that exact way. I’m not sure if you’re trolling or not here.
>I’m not sure if you’re trolling or not here
I'm a fa/tv/irgin with some knowledge of /k/ matters. I know gun parts kits are a way to get around some import restrictions, but you generally still have to manufacture some small percentage of the gun yourself to get around it. I don't go to Cinemaphile so I genuinely don't know. Seems silly imo, that you can just take apart a car and claim it's not the same thing when reassembled.
It’s a (sort of) common practice for getting past certain import restrictions, either for the car in general, or specific parts. Spare parts are classified different than whole cars. Apologies, but I assumed you were trolling as you picked that specific example which so neatly negated your premise. Also, you know, cars aren’t conscious entities.
Portal teleportation as depicted essentially brings your location and the desired location together by creating a nexus point, which you then simply move across.
Remote teleportation as depicted is basically just taking your material and flinging it to the desired location.
It makes complete sense to me with this rationale that one would have the potential to kill and one would he harness
>you can walk through a door and be fine
>you cannot launch yourself with a catapult to another location and be fine, unless considerable consideration of physics is given and manifested
In Heat Signature iirc they explicitly say that teleporters create a clone of you at the destination and then instantly incinerate your body. I forget exactly why, it's been a while since I've played it.
The only reason people would teleport is because they're suicidal and would prefer a different consciousness to take the proverbial wheel.
When your consciousness dies, your soul is gone.
The funny thing about copying yourself digitally is it only makes sense if you right now are just the memories contained in the future digital copy, that when you copy yourself you’ll suddenly see yourself from behind a screen because you were the digital copy all along and these are just your foundational memories.
The humor of the situation comes in when you realize upon your creator seeing that he hasn’t digitized he will delete you and try again.
>Russian v. NATO safety standards
IT'S LONGER THAN YOU THINK DAD
LONGER THAN YOU THINK
it's basically magic anyways, why debate this seriously
homosexual skublover
>Shit Tier
>Using atomic science to sever the bonds in your body's chemical makeup, de-materializing your body's matter entirely before making a copy.
Okay Tier
>The disassembled atoms are sent through space and reassembled as they were.
God Tier
>The teleportation instead uses Quantum Mechanics to shuffle the location of your atoms across space, keeping their makeup and composition all the way through the process.
Elder God Tier
>The process instead uses Magic, using rules not pertaining to our world to simply invoke change through narrative construct.
>not being set at particle-level so everybody is everywhere and nowhere
Astronomy is the only real science
>Astrology is the only real science
FTFY
For me it's astrology
You aren’t me, transported man.
its not very impressive if it kills you
True, it’s expressive.
>mfw the Stargate episode that changed it from being a wormhole portal where you see weird shit as you're flung across the galaxy to a teleporter that breaks you down into little pieces and rebuilds you on the other side, just so they could do the tired "character is stuck in the teleporter buffer" story
Yeah that sucked
>autists on Cinemaphile still think the teleporting kills you in Star Trek
Nope. It transports their souls too. They dont die. If it only copies and recreates an arrangement of matter then the copy at the other end would not be alive as it would just be an inanimate biological mass with no soul.
So you think a machine can understand a soul. Which means that machine is God.
How do teleported clones exist then?
>How do teleported clones exist then?
Just a plothole to write an interesting philosophical dilemma story. Star Trek is a tv show for entertainment first and foremost.
>just ignore it
Not an argument
I'm not arguing. Its literally a plothole. Scifi media has lots of plotholes. Star Trek isnt a documentary and teleporters dont actually exist.
>Star Trek isnt a documentary and teleporters dont actually exist.
No shit moron. And theirs still no reason to believe your headcanon
>Star Trek isnt a documentary and teleporters dont actually exist.
ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT
lucky her face is hella moronic, would still hit it from the back
TL;DW: Money can buy happiness. Philosophy says so.
I'd only step into a teleporter under two circumstances:
1.) I've gotten some proof of the existence of souls, because then I could believe that my soul will know where to migrate.
B.) There's an emergency so big that the place needs to be evacuated NOW or I die, with no time to take a shuttle and no chance of me living if I don't get teleported. At that point I might as well resign myself to death and give the world the gift of still having a copy of me running around.
yep, this
>Inspector Rex Goes Undercover.webm
>add "movie" to OP
>"lol its on-topic now!"
Boo hoo, one less actress coomer thread or insane argument about relative box office profits. All zoomers should be exterminated.
Now what if we clone our bodies and then move our brain into the new body so we could live forever. Of course with tech that makes are brains not deteriorate chips and whatnot
Wait a minute, teleport is immortality devise. I mean it kills you and create you at any age. Troll physics.
Space is a masonic construct
Physics says otherwise.
The same kind that states the reason the moon always faces the same side to earth is due to it's orbital speed? Go play with your captain commander star wars toys you manchild
Are you saying the moon is a hologram? lol
It's definitely not a massive rock.
that's just a israeli ploy to keep goycattle from the stars
jews have no faustian spirit, the stars don't interest them at all. they just want to hold the rest of us back so they can torment us on earth for eternity.
exactly
Stars are a israeli lie
>ahkshually a wormhole is fixed
actually, it isn't, but from relativity it appears fixed. wormholes and black holes still "move" like everything in the universe, which is constantly expanding. the only thing we don't know yet fully is the relationship of dark matter to the universe, and dark matters relation to black holes, quasars and other wormhole-like phenomenon.
most people don't know 'black holes' emit radiation and eventually 'evaporate'
if you can ignore some lefty shit, the PBS youtube channel is great for beginner physics and astronomy
Dark matter doesn’t exist. It’s just a missing variable of a dimension of space we can’t perceive because we only have 5 senses.
Not really because of our senses, more just that we’re stupid animals gawking at the void. Seeing something doesn’t mean we understand it. And we definitely do not understand anything. Assuming we don’t all end up a bunch of brown people sucking googlesoftbook’s dick in a hundred years, we’ll look back on current physicists as ignorant savages. As will the people a hundred years from that, and so on, until the heat death of the universe laughs at all of them.
>we’re stupid animals gawking at the void
Just because moronic liberal homosexuals share superficially similar views, that doesn’t mean they are wrong. The main difference I’ll bother pointing out is they think scientists are high priests with secret knowledge, while I know they’re moronic apes grasping at straws. The only true enlightenment for humans is spirituality, science is only useful as a tool when wielded by spiritual beings free from the taint of degeneracy.
The universe is going to be really uninteresting and just like the moon ended up being. Unlike in my 1902 kino. Steven Hawkings will end up being a Jules Verne tier fiction writer
>movement from the expansion of a plane is the same as movement independent from said expansion
I mean, it isn’t.
that's why I said it's relative. that's the joke.
Isn't teleporting just rearranging your molecules? A clone would be new matter while a teleporter just moves existing matter in a different way.
So does a wrecking ball. What’s your point?
The point is that it is remade from the exact same material, not new material.
So if a wrecking ball destroyed a house, and then rebuilt it with the same material, that would be the same house? Are you moronic?
If it was bit for bit perfect, yes.
Define a bit. And then explain how that perfectly replicated bit matters to the guy sitting in the living room watching x-files while it was demolished on him.
Which one Cinemaphile?
B obviously, velocity is relative
Actually it’s just a coordinate on the phase space of a symplectic manifold.
Depends if using the inertia tensor or a Lagrangian
A obviously. Law of conservation of energy.
>Newton's laws apply to postnewtonian physics
Have sex
The cube itself has no momentum and is not moving relative to anything, so it must be A. Imagine doing the same experiment, but the orange portal is replaced by a wooden doorframe, would you expect the cube to suddenly fire upwards the second it passed through the door frame?
In that example it wouldn’t *plop* either. But as it isn’t a wooden doorway but a portal to another dimension, the relative velocity of the portal and object should maintain on exit.
It would plop because the energy transferred to the base of the piston from the edges around the portal would partially transfer into the cube. Like slamming your fist on a table. If the piston stops before contact it would probably stay erect on the slant (maybe slowly slide down, since gravity is holding the base of the cube in one direction while also pulling the top downward in another, but surface tension + gravity on the base would probably be strong enough to keep it from sliding on an angle that flat.
moot, portals don't stick to moving objects
Earth is moving
I don't see the Earth in that picture.
The frictionless vacuum room is on earth.
Thought you meant in OP. Mb
The only frictionless vacuum on earth is your mum’s bum.
>a practical demonstration of how my kek and check reaches your trips
Except there's no way you can fold it and even if it was possible the amount of power a device made to achieve thaat would require is way beyond our ability to handle it.
Best explanation unlike the schizo crap in interstellar.
90s movies are based.
lel
A doorway connecting to the earth
who?
We don’t talk about that space cowboy anymore.
The owner before chinkmoot
A
Why not just make a teleporter that makes the original appear at the other end?
We call those cars, and they’re bad for the environment, chud.
Farcaster chads where you at?
the floor you start own is your own.
you walk up one flight of stairs above and open door, you jump a decade ahead.
the floor you start on is your own.
you walk down one flight of stairs below and open door, you jump a decade behind.
whenever this topic comes up I watch this cartoon.
Why is it portals always go through hell?
Why can't there be a horror movie about a warp drive that sends you through heaven? The entire movie is them trying to rig it into going into heaven, but they keep jumping back into this world full of israelites and Black folk
I know what you mean. I always wondered why movies are always people trying to open gateways to Hell when Hell objectively by definition sucks. Why no movie about a cult trying to open a gateway to Heaven and then the wrath of Heaven starts coming down on them?
>plebs use teleportation
>upper class use portals
>kings use ships moving near the speed of light
>the journey might take a week subjective time while hundreds or thousands of years pass in the static universe
human cells replaces themselves anyway
Humans replace themselves anyway.
how about a replace my dick in your mouth
Replace it with what? Something visible to the naked eye?
A teleport transfers your intact molecules to another location. The event horizon of a portal is just a clever illusion, killing you as you step through but remaking you as you appear on the other side
It seems this thread has come full circle, with this moron getting the two concepts exactly backwards. Poetry.
>A teleport transfers your intact molecules to another location.
if teleportation of this kind were possible at the cost implied you could just move all planets to the same solar system and have a planet party without the need for galaxy faring ships
I hate sci hi with a passion
If they ever made such a thing no test would ever be able to determine what had happened
The clone would just think they were you
god would know and a clone would never be granted eternal life in his kingdom
Just move along a higher dimension moron
What is the difference between teleporter 1 and just going to sleep? Can you prove you aren't just a copy of a dead person when you wake up?
Every second the old you dies and a new copy takes his place with your memories.
"consciousness" not being what we think it is is one thing, but in your sleep your body doesn't dissolve and reappear somewhere else. Maybe your "consciousness" goes somewhere, but your body doesn't. So they're completely different.
Your body is thousands of miles from where it was when you went to sleep. What are you talking about?
PORTAL.
No debate.
>yeah we made look like a door so people would stop freaking out
I don't understand much of this thread and don't want to either
Teletards be like:
>okay, I am going to clone myself
>then I will push a button that wakes up my clone and instantly kills me
>that means I wake up as my clone, dude, you gotta try it out too, I did it 50 times already
>we are all the same, dude, all people are equal, that means I am equal to my clone too, so I am him
take a shuttle