>wormtongue
pretty sure that's a name he was given by people of the court at Meduseld that didn't like him.
No one else in Rohan has a last name, they are all called [name] son of [father's name]
Gríma's father was called Galmod I think, so he'd be introduced as Grima son of Galmod
For some reason I love this scene. They spend like a minute showing how the gate functions, with trolls in chains dragging it open while orcbros are lookin down at their haradrimbros coming home. In fact, any scene that involves orcs being more than just cannonfodder is kino.
Oh shit i tend to get them mixed up. I wish we had gotten a few more scenes with the easterlings. I always loved their appearance. Their shields and spears (halberds?) were rad.
>Barely any scenes with Easterlings >No scenes with Khand >No scenes with knights of Dol Amroth or any of the other men from Gondor's principalities
I learned about a year or two ago, that this dude is supposed to be Chadmrahil
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I think that guy is supposed to be the leader of the soldiers who guard the tree, who are never supposed to leave their post. I understand that having Imrahil in the movie would've been a bit daunting for regular audiences. I think it's the same reason they replaced Glorfindel with Arwen as the character who saves Frodo from the Nazgul, it's no use to introduce characters that you're never going to see again with such limited runtime.
It's funny how modern Mordor is. The orcs have ID numbers, are afraid of being reported to higher authorities, and gripe about the middle management in Lugburz. Actually the Shire is pretty modern, too. It's Rohan and Gondor that are behind the times.
True, most of the conversations from Orcs remind me of what I've read about WWI -- soldiers refusing to do what they're told, plotting to and actually killing their own leaders, getting reported by their peers, getting court marshalled, and executed (just like Sauron does with Shagrat, for example). It does seem like Tolkien had WWI soldiers in mind when thinking about the orcs. I remember reading somewhere that he mentioned something like "we were all orcs in the WWI battlefields", but I'd have to look that up again since I might be misremembering
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know if Tolkein said that. He made his ire known at the WW1 comparisons in his appendices
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right, he didn't. But at some point, the quote was widespread enough that there are other people that have seen it, and they were checking whether it was apocryphal.
http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_printable;post=313378;guest=3952850
Apparently, it was in the Wikipedia entry for Orcs, and then, eventually, spread to other places, but there was no source for that. In any case, I do think there is a definite influence there, even if it's not stated or as direct as I thought at first.
Based. Orcs are absolutely kino, and I can't stand reddit gays saying that ROP is doing orcs better. The Uruk Hai chapter in the Two Towers book is one of the best in the entire series, imho, as it provides this kind of insight into the orcs, the different kinds, and how their loyalty differs. Grishnakh is definitely a bro, and the moment when Éomer dismounts to fight Uglúk as equals is kino as well.
Later in the book we get kino stuff again with Gorbag and Shagrat, as well as the very short conversation between the uruk and the tracker when Frodo and Sam are traveling through Mordor. I think that PJ's depiction of orcs was quite good as well, in general. The designs are really cool, and show the difference between Mordor, Isengard, and less organized orcs such as the ones from Moria.
It's funny how modern Mordor is. The orcs have ID numbers, are afraid of being reported to higher authorities, and gripe about the middle management in Lugburz. Actually the Shire is pretty modern, too. It's Rohan and Gondor that are behind the times.
I love this bit, but the music choice here is one of the worst in the trilogy. I just really really hate it, such an epic and last roll of the dice scene, ruined by that.
The Bridging piece before 'Forth Erolingas' (some sample of Last March of the Ents overlaid on The Nazgûl Attack) is great, but I agree that Forth Erolingas itself isn't.
>theoden sallies out of helms deep >the guys left in the throne room without horses get presumably murdered by orcs when he leaves them >Gimli just blows a horn and leaves?
Is this the thread where we post cool screencaps from scenes that you might have missed or overlooked? Here's King Theodens tent where Elrond comes to give Aragorn his sword.
Only the king has the resources to take his home with him. Even brought a chest of probably spare clothes. Ironically his real home doesn't seem to have the same level of tapestries and furnishing.
That's sweet. As an artgay i loved watching the behind the scenes footage of them talking about their concepts and showing them sketching etc. Super talented guys.
>"You could sit in that landscape, and see hobbiton. Almost like an overlay in front of your eyes. Alan and I sat down on the hill above bag-end and started to draw because it was the perfect landscape for Hobbiton"
Imagine sitting down on a beautiful hill sketching some cool hobbit holes, then returning a year later to see the great sets that they built based on your concepts. Watching your drawings turn into reality like that must have been amazing.
During a siege of The Hornburg he snuck out in the snow and mist and started blowing his horn and beating in the skulls of the besieging Dunlendings with his bare hands
>hmmm...need a name for the horn you hold in your hand...like a hammer or something
hmm, need a name for a guy that's shady and untrustworthy
let's go with grim wormtongue
>wormtongue
pretty sure that's a name he was given by people of the court at Meduseld that didn't like him.
No one else in Rohan has a last name, they are all called [name] son of [father's name]
Gríma's father was called Galmod I think, so he'd be introduced as Grima son of Galmod
He was named "Wormtongue" by the people of Rohan, it was a nickname. But you posted anyway, thinking you had a point.
>create a horn that sounds like a massive fart
Mr Hammerhand was trolling them wasn't he?
>I'm going to build a fortress
>The tower of the fort NEEDS to have a frick off huge horn for big braps built into it
Based Helm
I'm 34, and fart sounds are still the pinnacle of humor to me.
I like the small detail of dust blowing out of one of the horns. They put so much work into making every miniature look great.
Fellowship is the best by far but this line goes harder than any other in the trilogy.
What was the best horn in the series?
for me its the squeling haradrim horn
the intro for the haradrim is burned into my brain, good choice
For some reason I love this scene. They spend like a minute showing how the gate functions, with trolls in chains dragging it open while orcbros are lookin down at their haradrimbros coming home. In fact, any scene that involves orcs being more than just cannonfodder is kino.
Those are Easterlings but yeah, always a part that really got me psyched.
Oh shit i tend to get them mixed up. I wish we had gotten a few more scenes with the easterlings. I always loved their appearance. Their shields and spears (halberds?) were rad.
They're in the courtyard after Grond breaks the gates down, it's easy to miss them.
would of been far better to see them in combat against the Gondorians
Dozens of rewatches later and I still find stuff that I missed.
damn you're right
>Barely any scenes with Easterlings
>No scenes with Khand
>No scenes with knights of Dol Amroth or any of the other men from Gondor's principalities
Imrahil got robbed
I learned about a year or two ago, that this dude is supposed to be Chadmrahil
No, I think that guy is supposed to be the leader of the soldiers who guard the tree, who are never supposed to leave their post. I understand that having Imrahil in the movie would've been a bit daunting for regular audiences. I think it's the same reason they replaced Glorfindel with Arwen as the character who saves Frodo from the Nazgul, it's no use to introduce characters that you're never going to see again with such limited runtime.
True, most of the conversations from Orcs remind me of what I've read about WWI -- soldiers refusing to do what they're told, plotting to and actually killing their own leaders, getting reported by their peers, getting court marshalled, and executed (just like Sauron does with Shagrat, for example). It does seem like Tolkien had WWI soldiers in mind when thinking about the orcs. I remember reading somewhere that he mentioned something like "we were all orcs in the WWI battlefields", but I'd have to look that up again since I might be misremembering
I don't know if Tolkein said that. He made his ire known at the WW1 comparisons in his appendices
You're right, he didn't. But at some point, the quote was widespread enough that there are other people that have seen it, and they were checking whether it was apocryphal.
http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_printable;post=313378;guest=3952850
Apparently, it was in the Wikipedia entry for Orcs, and then, eventually, spread to other places, but there was no source for that. In any case, I do think there is a definite influence there, even if it's not stated or as direct as I thought at first.
Hackson kind of did the whole of Gondor dirty. The only time you really see them being competent is Faramirs rangers ambushing the mumakil
They could have thrown in some visual references to stuff like the Blackroot Vale archers I guess
Based. Orcs are absolutely kino, and I can't stand reddit gays saying that ROP is doing orcs better. The Uruk Hai chapter in the Two Towers book is one of the best in the entire series, imho, as it provides this kind of insight into the orcs, the different kinds, and how their loyalty differs. Grishnakh is definitely a bro, and the moment when Éomer dismounts to fight Uglúk as equals is kino as well.
Later in the book we get kino stuff again with Gorbag and Shagrat, as well as the very short conversation between the uruk and the tracker when Frodo and Sam are traveling through Mordor. I think that PJ's depiction of orcs was quite good as well, in general. The designs are really cool, and show the difference between Mordor, Isengard, and less organized orcs such as the ones from Moria.
It's funny how modern Mordor is. The orcs have ID numbers, are afraid of being reported to higher authorities, and gripe about the middle management in Lugburz. Actually the Shire is pretty modern, too. It's Rohan and Gondor that are behind the times.
Isengard
>but my lord there is no such force
How did he not realize there were 10k+ uruks outside before he walked on the balcony? homies were literally yelling their "HAA HOO HAA" chant.
Numenorean sound proofing is legendary
>have you ever been called home by the clear ringing of silver trumpets?
isengard easy
The Isengaard theme always gets me hyped
Boromir and that's not even a contest
I only wish we got a kino shot of Boromir's horn stunning all the Uruk-Hai in fear
would be epic but would also go against how hyped up the uruk were, what with them knowing neither pain nor fear
What if Gimli had been too short to reach the horn
Maybe he sat on Legolas shoulders.
Aragorn would have thrown him
I love this bit, but the music choice here is one of the worst in the trilogy. I just really really hate it, such an epic and last roll of the dice scene, ruined by that.
pleb
The Bridging piece before 'Forth Erolingas' (some sample of Last March of the Ents overlaid on The Nazgûl Attack) is great, but I agree that Forth Erolingas itself isn't.
>theoden sallies out of helms deep
>the guys left in the throne room without horses get presumably murdered by orcs when he leaves them
>Gimli just blows a horn and leaves?
I’m sorry but it’s time I admitted it
Last March of the ents is the best scene in the trilogy
That eternally belongs to the breaking of the fellowship
A little disappointed that they couldn't find more alliteration there.
Is this the thread where we post cool screencaps from scenes that you might have missed or overlooked? Here's King Theodens tent where Elrond comes to give Aragorn his sword.
Only the king has the resources to take his home with him. Even brought a chest of probably spare clothes. Ironically his real home doesn't seem to have the same level of tapestries and furnishing.
John Howe and Alan Lee are in this shot, second from left and right respectively.
Actually surprised I hadn't noticed that by now
That's sweet. As an artgay i loved watching the behind the scenes footage of them talking about their concepts and showing them sketching etc. Super talented guys.
>"You could sit in that landscape, and see hobbiton. Almost like an overlay in front of your eyes. Alan and I sat down on the hill above bag-end and started to draw because it was the perfect landscape for Hobbiton"
Imagine sitting down on a beautiful hill sketching some cool hobbit holes, then returning a year later to see the great sets that they built based on your concepts. Watching your drawings turn into reality like that must have been amazing.
I TAKE MY LEAVE
DESTINATION UNKNOWN
Was his hand a hammer? Wouldn't some sort of percussion instrument be a better tribute to him?
He's called Hammerhand because he regularly beat dudes to death with his fists.
During a siege of The Hornburg he snuck out in the snow and mist and started blowing his horn and beating in the skulls of the besieging Dunlendings with his bare hands
Hammerfell?
BIG curved swords
>REEEEEEEEEECOLA
>the hell of handhammer horn shall hammerhorn once more
>tfw rando orcs are more competent and memorable characters than good guys in modern israeli schlock media
The makeup still looks so fricking good
Goddamn monster men emoting better than your average Hollywood actress
orc bros, anyone listens to Za Frumi ?
FELL DEEDS AWAKE