The cast has nothing to do with it. The writer and director are probably the least creative people in their industry and yet they get paid handsomely. The movie alternates from daytime voiceover from the captain to someone getting picked off at night. Someone actually got paid to write that. I want to go the writers strike and have them explain to me why the writer of Demeter deserves more than 15/hour to write this.
THE Black person AND WOMAN ARE THE REASON NOBODY IS GOING TO SEE THE FILM STOP FRICKING COPING. THEY AUTOMATICALLY SHOW THE LOG IS NOT BEING FAITHFULLY ADAPTED AND SURPRISE SURPRISE THE BLACKY DOESNT DIE
It wasn't going to be faithfully adapted the moment they decided to turn two pages of the novel into a feature film. The voyage in the book is pretty much glossed over.
>The voyage in the book is pretty much glossed over.
It's an entire chapter. The point is the terseness, showing the danger that is heading to London. They could have fleshed the characters out in a less by-the-numbers way, made Dracula's manipulation of the crew more in depth. Instead we got another nail in the coffin of the writer's strike.
Anon the trip itself is still long and we know it was a drawn out affair in which the sailors had no clue what was happening over a few days or weeks. There was no reason to add a woman, kids, a dog and a nig.
Literally NO ONE has read the fricking book you tard. No one cares that there's blacks or women. No one is watching the movie because no one knows what the frick a Demeter is, Universal did a shit job advertising, the trailer reveals the entire movie and no one cares about period pieces unless it's something instantly recognisable like a World War or the 80s.
you don't need to read the book to know there were no college educated black doctors in 1800s england, it's distracting and forced and they do it in every period movie now
The left is against cultural appropriation but then does it with the right's memes. Hypocrisy.
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>Black people have never been part of any significant historical event ever >To the point where we can't even trace down a single black person in the near VICINITY of a significant historical anything >But, oh, how we wish they could have been
Okay, that's a pretty racist thing to say, Mr. Maffaberg
I always hear this but I don't know if I can believe it. According to writers & directors they never do a bad job, it's always the studio or money-men. While I'm sure it can be and is frequently, are you really telling me there aren't shitty writers and shitty writing same with directors?
Of course there are. But what you describe is textbook "make it shorter" which leads to spastic continuity and pacing errors. Of course, there are times where this is also the directors fault (see Ridley Scott or even Jesse James, where Ridley of all people told the director to get the film under control because no one was going to let him release a 4 hour movie).
This even happens to great films and directors - Sergio Leone and Once Upon A Time In America. Yes the studio butchered it, but they also told him they were never going to release a four hour movie but he steamrolled ahead anyway
Whereas releasing it as the ass end of summer to get mogged by Barbenheimer turned out so much better?
At least if it came out in October it'd just have some competition. Now it has competition and is completely out of season. If you're afraid to release your vampire movie within even a month of halloween then you shouldn't be in the horror business at all
Good points, I was just venting about horror being dominated by the same kind of ghost type movies. Isn't it time for creature features or slashers to have a resurgence?
*laughs in Tom Cruise*
Remember when they said that The Mummy flopped and standalone movies will be more successful than shared universe films? Surprise. None of these shitty monster flicks will ever come close to Tom Cruise results.
Because she's being marketed by the same people and fits the same aesthetics as all the other ugly prostitutes they push. They do not represent Spanish people.
>Remember when they said that The Mummy flopped and standalone movies will be more successful than shared universe films?
The Mummy was supposed to start the Dark Universe, are you moronic.
And still made more money than any od post-darkuniverse slop.
Renfield made glorious 27 m worldwide. Demeter is going to make around 40 m if foreign numbers help. Their budgets are 110m combined. 65 for Renfield and 45 for Demeter. Both will make less money than they cost to make. Meanwhile 'massive flop' Mummy scored 409 m worldwide on budget of 120 m. Yet somehow that was a flop and these morons decided to cancel monster universe and now we have trash that flops one by one.
when they said that The Mummy flopped and standalone movies will be more successful than shared universe films? >The Mummy was supposed to start the Dark Universe, are you moronic.
Yes. And look how well 'standalone' Renfield did compared to Cruise.
I'm calling it, none of these shitass standalone films will ever make more than Tom Cruise mummy. This is fact and they are living in denial to admit because the hate tom cruise. they tried to blame him for dark universe flop. Renfield director said he know why Cruise mummy flopped and his movie won't make same mistakes. And guess waht? The mistake was to cancel dark universe instead of working on it.
Mummy had some problems and I'm not saying it was perfect because it wasn't, but you take problems and think about them to find a solution. They went full moronic and scrapped everything.
They will beg tom cruise to come back and fix their shitty monsters universe. All they have to do is to keep budgets in check. Mission Impossible flopped because they spent 300M on production. If Universal decided to give Tom Cruise 90 million budget he will same them but if they are dumb enough to put 300M in his movies then frick them.
Oh man I totally forgot about the nic cage vampire flick, commercials made it look hilarious. Shame it didnt surpass generic boring tom cruise actionslop...
>Mummy had some problems and I'm not saying it was perfect because it wasn't,
The Mummy was a perfect Universe starter. It was basically Iron Man but with post credits scene included in the main plot instead of luring audience to watch dogshit credits to see 30 seconds scene not related to the rest of the movie. I'm wondering if Iron Man wouldn't be also critically panned if Nick Fury came to ask Tony about Avengers much earlier than in post credits scene.
Unfortunately our world is moronic and movie where main script includes everything is apparently bad but when you make a movie and force a scene adding nothing to the plot only to tease more movies is supposedly good writing.
Imagine a book where at the end, when you are done reading, there's an extra chapter that should be somewhere else. Book critics would consider this badly edited. However movie critics praise this.
I'm not talking about quality, it's subjective. I don't like capeshit but others do and IMO The Mummy had problems but I'm talking about raw number. From business perspective it was a bigger hit than these other films like Renfield or Last Voyage. They ruined their chances because instead of finding a way to fix problems with The Mummy and whole Dark Universe, they simply gave up. Now they will have hard to to score anything. The Dark Universe had an interesting premise of shared monster connections. There are 200 Dracula films. There are 15 Mummy films and 30 Frankenstein films but there's not a lot of movies where monsters cross paths and this was the thing that made their concept interesting. Good or bad movies, it's still something different than dozens of remade horror films.
What are the budgets of these films? Budgets have blown up so much it's hard to make a profit. Think they should think smaller scale and keep the budget low. But Demeter seemed to me like that's what they did do.
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Anonymous
Renfield budget 65 mill - total box office 27 mill, opening weekend 10 mill
Demeter budget 45 mill - total box office may come close to 35 mill maybe 40 if they are lucky with international numbers. opening weekend will be very low, like 6 mill or so
Mummy budget 120 mill - earned 409 mill worldwide with opening weekend of 170 mill
All 3 movies are rated rotten, with rather bad reviews.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Dang I thought Renfield had good reviews. Everyone's so harsh on horror movies man.
Yes, they both cost as much as Tom Cruise mummy but they both bombed 20x harder. >Renfield budget 65 mil, box office 27 mil >Demeter budget 45 mil. box office expected to flop >Invisible man budget 10 mil box office 140 mil
now add 65, 45,and 10 to get same budget as the mummy with much lower combined box office.
>The mummy budget 120 mil, 409 box office
Honestly cancellation of dark universe and moving to standalone films was a mistake from business point
im angry, i hoped these movies finally get off but after 5 attempts im just done. bring back dark universe, make dumb capeshitty movies and at least have fun. not frustrating standalone dogshit films that actually set up sequels and then do nothing because they bomb so hard
sry for bad grammar and spelling, i m triggered as frick
Yeah I don't get it either. And let's assume that Renfield ended up being a big success. People would naturally assume that the next Dracula movie would have Nicholas Cage. So they would go to this movie and see no Nicolas Cage. It's setting yourself up for a huge loss. What is the fricking idea behind this mess?
Idea is >Universal planned monster universe >they had scripts for Dracula Untold, Dracula Untold 2, Van Helsing, Wolfman etc >The Mummy 'flops' and people go reeee over monster universe connections >Universal angry scrapped connected universe and takes 2 years break >Calling writers and directors to see their own monster movie ideas >Universal greelights every crap people suggested >No shared connections, no logic, no greater goals, just halfassed monster movies
Here is updated list of shit to come. BTW Untitled Universal Monsters is already filmed and in post production. We will see that trainwreck in 2024. This is going to be epic mess.
Note Van Helsing and another Dracula film planned. So that's like 5 Dracula films about different Dracula versions.
I just want to say thsts a great Pic anon, it truly encapsulates the struggle for Xennial parents trying to raise moronic little zoom zooms and alphas in troonyworld
They shoot themselves in the foot when they decided to make the mummy into a hot woman case in point. Who the frick finds ''monster'' hot women cool or scary? only tard coomers are into that. Frick that movie. Also heard their first monsterverse frankenstein movie would focus on the bride instead of the monster. Good riddance to this shit.
The mummy was a nod to now forgotten old fashioned books where female mummy was spooky but fascinating. These novels were very popular in 1800s and early 1900s before Hollywood turned mummy into a generic egyptian zombie. >The mummy genre has its origins in the 19th century when Egypt was being colonized by France and, subsequently, by Victorian Britain. The first living mummies in fiction were mostly female, and they were presented in a romantic and sexual light, often as love interests for the protagonist; this metaphorically represented the sexualized Orientalism and the colonial romanticization of the East. Notable examples of this trend include The Mummy's Foot by Théophile Gautier, The israeliteel of Seven Stars by Bram Stoker, The Ring of Thoth by Arthur Conan Doyle, She: A History of Adventure and Smith and the Pharaohs by H. Rider Haggard, My New Year's Eve Among the Mummies by Grant Allen, The Unseen Man's Story by Julian Hawthorne, and Iras: A Mystery by H. D. Everett; the latter actually has the protagonist marry a mummy which takes on the form of a beautiful woman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy_(undead)
9 months ago
Anonymous
they should've primed dark gothic mummy as the overarching villain instead of blowing their load in the first movie.
sad that this was tom cruise's last chance to start another franchise - he's def too old to do it again.
There was a hot woman mummy in the Brendan Fraser one too, granted she wasn't the main antagonist, but it's not that wild of a concept. The Tom Cruise one got panned because it sucked and the other one was so much better in comparison.
Female mummy comes directly from Bram Stoker's mummy book "The israeliteel of Seven Stars"
One of my fav Stoker's books. I prefer this one over Dracula. Also make sure it's the first edition with original bad end. Later issues have lame happy end. Read it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I just read the wikipedia article on that book, expecting some hot mummy romance. What a let down.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is a suspense horror book about female Mummy.
For romance take, check Iras by H. D Everett (she used nickname Theo Douglas in late 1800s) where an archaeologist brings a mummy back to life, they are together and she's slowly decaying and turning back into a mummy.
Why is it so hard to just STOP. Spend some time plotting out a proper series and overseeing the new writers and directors and having them on the same page. They can shit out some Purge, Fast/Furious and Jurassic movies while people wait.
Back after Batman & Robin they basically froze all Batshit for several years and then groomed Nolan to restart it, fresh. They even initially went to Aronofsky, and ultinately said no. They didn't want the same character in multiple different "universes"
Hell I think Renfield could have been a good success had they done shit differently >title is Dracula instead of Renfield >focus of movie is on Nic Cage Dracula >release the shit towards the end of September or early October
As it is the movie is mostly meh but turns to gold anytime Nic Cage comes on screen
Invisible Man did 14 times it's budget, while having it's release suddenly cut off due to COVID. Also the idea of cheapies suits the monster movies. Would have been a good point to jump off from for a shared universe. Unfortunately the guy who made it immediately signed a deal with Blumhouse, who wants to put more shit on Amazon and not with Universal.
>Yes Ivan there were educated black people in England.
It's 2023 now I don't believe you. Black folk were a novelty that wore off once actual humans realized Black folk are dumber than dogs, and less useful too.
In fact most humans would rather have a dog fricking their wife than a Black person. Simple as.
There aren't even educated black people here in Norway, one of the most liberal places on the planet.
Hell, most of the ones I knew didn't even make it to a real high school.
Didn't see a single one in university.
And it's free here.
Not even free - they PAY you to study at university. And then you can get your minority grants and shit on top of that.
They don't make sequels to these movies. They just restart over and over. No sequel to The Mummy despite the fact it made over 400 mil worldwide. No sequel to Dracula Untold ever. Sequel to Invisible Man is not happening now. Renfield flopped so hard director backed out saying that despite earlier plans, his movie won't restore monster universe.
They don't make sequels to these movies. They just restart over and over. No sequel to The Mummy despite the fact it made over 400 mil worldwide. No sequel to Dracula Untold ever. Sequel to Invisible Man is not happening now. Renfield flopped so hard director backed out saying that despite earlier plans, his movie won't restore monster universe.
Has every one of their classic monster updates except The Mummy (99) been a dumpster fire? Why is it so hard to get this right and why do they keep trying after so many failures?
The entire problem is they expanded the story and added unnecessary characters. The “small” scope is what makes it incredible. They’d just need to actually commit to the idea rather than tack on gimmicks.
>The “small” scope is what makes it incredible. They’d just need to actually commit to the idea rather than tack on gimmicks.
The preview was just repetitive, showing people on the deck of the ship in the rain getting murdered. Looks boring. Didn't look scary, didn't look interesting. Going to bomb
It is a terrible mischaracterization to cast a black because dracula was obsessed with race and spreading his curse. He would never have deigned to mix with subalterns just like he hated the turks
Coppola's Dracula sucks. Hammer's Dracula is hit and miss. Their best Dracula movie doesn't have Dracula in it. (That's not a knock, either; Brides of Dracula is great.)
Maybe 1922 Nosferatur but that evolved into something original. But every Dracula movie is missing something even the Coppola version messes up with the love triangle that shouldn't be there. I watched Langella version and it was pretty basic. We know the story it needs something extra.
>Coppola's Dracula >Making Dracula, a rapist baby killing monster into a tragic figure who goes to Heaven after all the shit he's done
Movie is fricking garbage.
Posting here because it's better discussed than in my older thread. Having seen all 5 of Universal monster reboots I have just 1 question.
How come they are worse and worse? I thought The Mummy was bad and Renfield was even more idiotic but holy shit Voyage of Demeter is so fricking stupid it makes alll these previous films Citizen Kane.
Is Universal legitimately moronic? Their movies have great production values, good effects, unique atmosphere but nothing matters because scripts are so bad you can't enjoy the rest.
Frick this. I wanted these movies to finally build a good monster themed franchise but they are so bad I'm fricking done. And racism themes in Demeter were not needed.
>Was Renfield really meant as a reboot?
if it was a success they were going to shift away from straight up horror to horror comedy as the formula for their monster universe. They're throwing random shit in every direction and hoping something, anything, sticks.
TheMummy is key to all of this. People like to shit on it but the truth is its still the biggest hit. None of these standalone monster movies will ever reach box office numbers even close to TheMummy. When you sum up budgets of Demeter, Renfield and Invisible man you will get 120m which is how much they spent on TheMummy. Now combined box office of these films adds up to 200m. TheMummy alone made 410m.
Universal is fricked because they dropped the world introduced in TheMummy instead of working on a way to fix it.
There is an extra layer of irony because TheMummy teased other monsters and people were incredibly butthurt about this but in the end we will get other monsters movies just without Russell Crowe and his Men in Black meets S.H.I.E.L.D team.
Also, over time people seem to appreciate TheMummy more.
>Also, over time people seem to appreciate TheMummy more. >https://horrorobsessive.com/2021/01/23/the-mummy-2017-is-a-fun-underrated-action-horror-film/
Based and kino.
It's depressing how much money has been plowed into the worst fricking monster remakes ever
Dracula films have kicked ass for almost a century until now. It should be the easiest reboot ever because the plot arc is essentially perfect.
I've been wanting a Creature from the Black Lagoon remake since I was a little kid. Now I'm dreading it happening.
I hate Del Toro for that film.
Not even sweet, sweet Sally Hawkins breasts could save it from being a pathetic furgay fantasy. Also turning a quintessential colonial adventure into some excruciatingly boring allegory about racism.
>I wanted these movies to finally build a good monster themed franchise
Literally fricking why? So you can get an Avengers style team up movie where they all have to fight a generic baddie? Or so you can drool and clap when they have cameos or callbacks? Explain to me what the benefits of a cinematic universe are outside of a marketing perspective. Because I see none other than milking gullible morons out of more money.
It's fun to have one fantasy world with all those various creatures and locations but when Universal did it in the 40s the movies quickly hit creative rock bottom. Since then they've been doing nothing but stand alone remakes so the current situation is the norm.
I like those classic monsters and I wished they were in the zeitgeist and Universal is trying so hard almost to the point of annoying everybody but people don't care. Especially kids. Monsters aren't relevant. Or rather those Universal monsters aren't, people loves monsters just not their monsters it must be a pain in the ass.
House of Dracula
House of Frankenstein
crossovers Frankenstein meets Wolf Man
Monster Squad
Why do you always assume it's Avengers where monsters fight other bigger monster. I imagine something like monsters are always baddest or neutral. They just unite to survive humans hunting them.
I don't believe they wanted Ahmanet mummy turned good side. She was evil to absolute end. Dracula Cage was also bad guy and wouldn't be a hero.
Monster themed cinematic universe allow something like Men In Black rather than Avengers.
Check that The Mummy Demastered game. Ahmanet is evil queen summoning creatures humans have to fight. It's just cool Alines-like but in neo-gothic settings rather than scifi
The monster mash stuff always removed the characters from their contexts to such an extent that nothing of interest remained. They were just desperate juxtapositions. If it were a very stylish action movie where atmosphere and context didn't matter it could possibly work but it's hard to make a good case for trying, in my opinion.
They could have salvaged it if they made it like the Bad Travelling episode from that Love, Death and Robots show. Don't think there was anything like >racism themes in Demeter were not needed.
in it
Saw literally ONE ad for this shit on tv embedded in between six billion of those hideous burger king commercials, saw there was an anachronistic black dude in it, and immediately wrote it off, and I suspect most people who saw the ad did the same. I have no problems with black people being in appropriate settings, and this one is borderline, but making them all look like clean modern people is really fricking stupid and makes me disinterested regardless of race. Can you imagine if they made Blood Meridian and the Glanton gang all looked clean-shaven and the black dude had trimmed corn rows and a clear face? Wouldn't DARE make a black dude look any less than perfect these days. Remember the potc movies when all characters, even the main ones, looked a bit rough? Different era.
I could buy it if the black guy was a regular sailor or something because that's the one area you'd logically see more "diversity" in that setting because people sail in from all over the place on trading ships, but a fricking doctor, come on now
and if he's really complaining about racism in the movie that's every more funny because already the character holds a status far higher than he ever would have in reality
Exactly. If we're gonna pretend black people were never in movies until the last decade (fricking ridiculous and easily disproven, but everyone suddenly decided a lie was truth), let's fully welcome them by using them appropriately in movies. That is respect and equality (another word that's lost its meaning), not this fricking ego fellating bullshit. You want in the club you've already been in for over 100 years? Join it fully and commit to the role. You're playing a black sailor in the early-mid 19th century, you are uneducated and dirty, and so are most of the white people around you so get the frick over it. That applies to all the characters. Also, the doctor thing is ridiculous.
Saw literally ONE ad for this shit on tv embedded in between six billion of those hideous burger king commercials, saw there was an anachronistic black dude in it, and immediately wrote it off, and I suspect most people who saw the ad did the same. I have no problems with black people being in appropriate settings, and this one is borderline, but making them all look like clean modern people is really fricking stupid and makes me disinterested regardless of race. Can you imagine if they made Blood Meridian and the Glanton gang all looked clean-shaven and the black dude had trimmed corn rows and a clear face? Wouldn't DARE make a black dude look any less than perfect these days. Remember the potc movies when all characters, even the main ones, looked a bit rough? Different era.
Man, remember when Penny Dreadful got the whole thing right? Too bad it got really bad in S3.
Is it just called "Demeter" ? They made the same mistake with Renfield the morons. They're greatly overestimating how much the average normie knows about Dracula
there's a big billboard for this in Hollywood near Universal property and somebody artistically graffiti'd their ghetto name completely covering the "demeter" logo, it's quite funny because it has the "the legend is born" tagline right above it
I could have written a better movie AND got the female demographic as well.
Basically i'd have the movie focus on a female character who's on this voyage with her family and there's this chad in the ship as well who she gets to flirt with and also a creepy guy into her who's she's trying to dodge.
Every night someone dies with their body sucked dry. She thinks it is the creepy guy. She and chad try to investigate together with the crew to see who's the killer. One by one everyone dies.
In the end she finds out the creepy guy was just a virgin who's trying to score with her. He wasn't the killer. He even tried to save her. The killer is the chad, and that chad was DRACULA.
>Dumb kid >Kill the dog >Diversity groid >Woman with a gun >Smashing Pumpkins >Show the monster in the trailer
Could they have fricked the trailer up and made it any more unappealing? No vampire fan is going to want to see this slop, let alone anyone else. The monster doesn't even look like a vampire.
Yes. The Demeter is the ship chartered to carry Dracula and Renfield to England, whose crew are murdered/missing by the time it makes landfall, leaving only a mentally unstable Renfield alive in the ship's hold.
What are you talking about? Renfield went to Transylvania to advise the count on real estate and came back to England insane and was committed to an asylum. Harker was from the same firm and was literally his replacement. Dracula never employs Renfield in any capacity other than stopping by to kill him for talking too much.
I absolutely love vampires, but when I saw the trailer with the diversity nignog and then the Pumpkins song, I knew the movie had no interest in making a compelling Dracula story, or a horror movie. Shit was dead in the water before it even had a chance
It could be a really terrifying movie if it were done well. All the crewmen getting picked off one at a time, all of them slowing getting more and more upset and erratic as people vanish, with sightings of an unaccounted for person moving around. That kind of story requires a good writer however and good camerawork, to build all the tension needed to sell it to the audience. This movie has none of that
Medavoy is senile at this point and has literal morons working under him at Phoenix. They passed on a great script of mine and bragged about this hunk of Demeter shit to me in the same meeting.
Around the time Wolfman did release Universal were flirting with the idea of building upon it with sequels and branching out into the other monsters ala Wolfman vs Dracula.
After it underperformed they never mentioned that topic again until Dracula Untold and Mummy started coming about.
I completely understand why it underperformed, the theatrical version is a cut up choppy mess whereas the unrated longer version has lots of little scenes added back in that makes it into a much better film.
I do think people just lost all interest in the movie after the trailers hit and they saw the black doctor. From that instance, everyone knew he would be the one to stay alive of the whole ordeal.
They were right to lose interest because people at this point know the pattern. When you see blacks in places they do not belong, what follows is what you can expect. There's no point investing any interest into it. Once I saw the trailer for the new Castlevania animation, I did the same thing. It was over before it started
This is because of a black protagonist who's motivated by his hatred of whites and a one-dimensional mary sue who is inherently unlikable.
This movie's failure has nothing to do with Dracula. A vampire slasher film on a boat is a good idea. Wokeshitters fricked it and are currently paying for it.
It's a made for streaming movie honestly
I'll watch it in a few months but thinking anyone would spend $50 for a date night to see this schlock is delusional
Especially with a few better options already available
They should have done it like that "Too mant cooks!" video from Adult Swim with Dracula being a passenger that has been in the background from the beginning until it's revealed he's a murderous monster and he becomes the protagonist and only survivor.
Or they could do a movie about a black doctor talking about racism, that works too...
Except no one is going to stream those movies on Halloween because of bad word of mouth.
If the movies had come out in October, you could have had some date night spooky movies for October (and a safe Halloween movie for the kiddies). October usually saves spooky movies from bad word of mouth because people are desperate to see something spooky in the Halloween time.
Now no one will see the movies because no one wants to see Halloween movies in July and they have bad word of mouth.
it's in the original novel, but it's told through the captain's journal and basically amounts to "yeah some weird shit is happening and everybody is dying." It could make for an interesting movie about paranoia and claustrophobia but it seems Universal went with the slop route.
Saw literally ONE ad for this shit on tv embedded in between six billion of those hideous burger king commercials, saw there was an anachronistic black dude in it, and immediately wrote it off, and I suspect most people who saw the ad did the same. I have no problems with black people being in appropriate settings, and this one is borderline, but making them all look like clean modern people is really fricking stupid and makes me disinterested regardless of race. Can you imagine if they made Blood Meridian and the Glanton gang all looked clean-shaven and the black dude had trimmed corn rows and a clear face? Wouldn't DARE make a black dude look any less than perfect these days. Remember the potc movies when all characters, even the main ones, looked a bit rough? Different era.
If he's supposed to be a rich educated black man n the 19th century (Very rare, even more in England) he should have very short hair or slightly longer straightened hair
But i guess it would be problematic to show they did not like their hair back then
>i guess it would be problematic to show they did not like their hair back then
Maybe, but more than that it just isn't the kind of detail they would give a frick about regardless.
Universal is releasing the classic movies in 4k this october. I don't know if they'll keep the extras from earlier releases. They're trying so hard to make people care but they have no talent
That's neat, I guess, but a lot of old movies don't benefit much from 4K.
The main ones have been out for a while. The guys on the blu-ray forums say they're a worthwhile upgrade over the 2013 blu-rays but who knows how true that is and how much is just audiophile-tier self justification.
Of these I've only seen Wolf Man in 4K. It was fine. Not an amazingly better transfer or anything. If you have a 4K TV I can't think of a good reason not to watch them but it won't be a transformative experience.
There's not much that can be done. All the scenes that could've been restored were restored in the 90s. Other than the epilogue to 1931 Dracula that was shown in the 1999 documentary (aparently only those fragments were in good condition). The extras should be carried over from earlier releases of course.
It could easily have been a great movie. >Crew trapped in vessel >Something/someone is killing them off >Nowhere to escape >Psychological drama between interesting/shady characters
It's formulaic. It has been done a million times, and usually with great success.
Hollywood will never admit what the problem is, though everyone can see it. They'd rather crash and burn than admit it or adjust the course. Watching them bankrupting themselves is actually more fun than their movies in the last decade.
what I learned in life is that they truly cant see it though. The biggest mistakes in my life were due to thinking that other people cant possibly be as dumb as they appear to be. Everytime I was proven wrong, people are exactly as they seem to be
I was really exited when I heard about it, because BOATS and vampires are cool, although I was imagining Gary Oldman and a murder mystery. And then the trailer killed all my interest, when it showed some hairless monkey.
They need a big movie if they want this monster shit to take off. Why don't they make a Rated R horror thriller about Wolfman or some shit? Who wants to watch a boring ass drama about monsters? These are supposed to be horror movies. The reason the 1920s ones weren't scary is because it was the 1920s. They can do it right this time and they just aren't.
classic monsters always refer to cursed humans like dracula or wolfman
this is feral monster what you posted, same with chupacabra, king kong or godzilla
I hope so, I know blackrock / esg is just an antisemitic racist poltroon conspiracy theory but I wish it was true to make white supremacists and incels seethe
I'm still protesting them not allowing third party apps, I found Cinemaphile that way hearing youd be freedom fighters against spez but i didnt expect all the racism and conspiracists here but I learned to ignore them.
Would becoming a nice progressive non toxic community really be such a bad thing to you? Is your bigotry truly so deeply rooted?
Oh wow you're feral, you've been bit. You actually were for that embarrassing subreddit blackout thing a while back? And using terms like "toxic" and referring to websites as "communities" is very reddit as well. You also seem to think that conspiracy is a synonym for incorrect.
Business idea: cut out all the vampire parts, splice them in place of all the manbearpig parts of The Terror, cut out all the bits about being stuck in the icel. If there are any Universal execs in this thread (and we all know there is) I will accept an executive producer credit and 10 points.
A Weekly World News cinematic universe would be fricking amazing
in my country we had a newspaper running stories about the ''devil baby'' way back in the 70s
devil baby vs batboy movie when
>Batboy drives a mini cooper
Seems fitting
I still remember where I was when I heard the news that he took down Bin Laden.
remember: no Blacks
can smell the newsprint from here
someone should make an early edition/x-files crossover based on the weekly world news
shit genuinely used to spook me when i was a kid
I saw this on the newsstands back in 92 Alaska, childhood memories of the grocery store. Yeah.
gem
Of course, they couldn't cast a movie properly to save their own life
The cast has nothing to do with it. The writer and director are probably the least creative people in their industry and yet they get paid handsomely. The movie alternates from daytime voiceover from the captain to someone getting picked off at night. Someone actually got paid to write that. I want to go the writers strike and have them explain to me why the writer of Demeter deserves more than 15/hour to write this.
they're not asking for more than 15/h. they want 15/h with PTO and health insurance lol
The writer of demeter does not deserve health insurance.
i agree 100% but please, refer to it as wokeula
THE Black person AND WOMAN ARE THE REASON NOBODY IS GOING TO SEE THE FILM STOP FRICKING COPING. THEY AUTOMATICALLY SHOW THE LOG IS NOT BEING FAITHFULLY ADAPTED AND SURPRISE SURPRISE THE BLACKY DOESNT DIE
It wasn't going to be faithfully adapted the moment they decided to turn two pages of the novel into a feature film. The voyage in the book is pretty much glossed over.
>The voyage in the book is pretty much glossed over.
It's an entire chapter. The point is the terseness, showing the danger that is heading to London. They could have fleshed the characters out in a less by-the-numbers way, made Dracula's manipulation of the crew more in depth. Instead we got another nail in the coffin of the writer's strike.
Anon the trip itself is still long and we know it was a drawn out affair in which the sailors had no clue what was happening over a few days or weeks. There was no reason to add a woman, kids, a dog and a nig.
Literally NO ONE has read the fricking book you tard. No one cares that there's blacks or women. No one is watching the movie because no one knows what the frick a Demeter is, Universal did a shit job advertising, the trailer reveals the entire movie and no one cares about period pieces unless it's something instantly recognisable like a World War or the 80s.
>Universal did a shit job advertising
You don't release a movie at this point of the year if you're invested in it. It was sent out to die.
August is still blockbuster season.
What blockbusters are releasing in August? (apart from the behemoth Demeter)
I don't know and I don't care.
Surprisingly Meg 2, shit cleared its budget on opening weekend and looks like it'll do about the same as the last movie.
you don't need to read the book to know there were no college educated black doctors in 1800s england, it's distracting and forced and they do it in every period movie now
Oxford was FOUNDED by African scientists kiddo, get educated
Based gigachad, whitecels seething.
The left is against cultural appropriation but then does it with the right's memes. Hypocrisy.
>Black people have never been part of any significant historical event ever
>To the point where we can't even trace down a single black person in the near VICINITY of a significant historical anything
>But, oh, how we wish they could have been
Okay, that's a pretty racist thing to say, Mr. Maffaberg
I read the book.
>No one cares that there's blacks or women.
Tell that to every movie that bombed in the past five years.
>Literally NO ONE has read the fricking book you tard.
Illiterate moron
I read the book. It's pretty good. I'll end up seeing this but not in theaters.
This is an extremely niche movie who’s entire premise is “you read that chapter in all of our favorite horror book right, right?”
Those type of niche adaptations should be 1:1
>The cast has nothing to do with it.
Nobody wants to see a Dracula movie with some butt-ugly Black person.
Nobody wants to see Black folk, how hard is this to understand?
This is how I know you haven't actually seen the movie. Brad Pitt could have been the doctor and it would have been shit.
It doesn't matter, the nog did damage just being there and crying about racism. He put extra holes in an already sinking ship
Shit that I may have taken a chance on.
It would've been shit but it would've made more money.
>Brad Pitt
I will now watch your monsterkino
I would've watched it if not for the Black person doctor. So yes, casting absolutely does matter.
That's probably a result of shitty editing by the studio to try and get a commercial product
>dunno...just make it "less"
I always hear this but I don't know if I can believe it. According to writers & directors they never do a bad job, it's always the studio or money-men. While I'm sure it can be and is frequently, are you really telling me there aren't shitty writers and shitty writing same with directors?
Of course there are. But what you describe is textbook "make it shorter" which leads to spastic continuity and pacing errors. Of course, there are times where this is also the directors fault (see Ridley Scott or even Jesse James, where Ridley of all people told the director to get the film under control because no one was going to let him release a 4 hour movie).
This even happens to great films and directors - Sergio Leone and Once Upon A Time In America. Yes the studio butchered it, but they also told him they were never going to release a four hour movie but he steamrolled ahead anyway
At least it will come to vod faster.
>flush 12 years of development and almost 50 mil budget down the toilet
This is what happens when you frick with classics. Black people don’t read, let alone classics, so they weren’t going to see this.
The woman, the kids, the dog, the black dude all sunk this ship.
Are you stupid?
they released it too early. should have waited until october.
It'd probably get mogged by Paranormal Activity 15 or whatever other endless fricking ghost/possession shit
Whereas releasing it as the ass end of summer to get mogged by Barbenheimer turned out so much better?
At least if it came out in October it'd just have some competition. Now it has competition and is completely out of season. If you're afraid to release your vampire movie within even a month of halloween then you shouldn't be in the horror business at all
Good points, I was just venting about horror being dominated by the same kind of ghost type movies. Isn't it time for creature features or slashers to have a resurgence?
Nah movies like this should be released in january-feb.
*laughs in Tom Cruise*
Remember when they said that The Mummy flopped and standalone movies will be more successful than shared universe films? Surprise. None of these shitty monster flicks will ever come close to Tom Cruise results.
Based.
They needed guys responsible for mummy's makeup.
>guys responsible for mummy's makeup
iirc it was the guys at WETA. they do all the makeup in really involved productions.
thuh mumy
I fricking hate this ugly manfaced flat-chested prostitute.
Why would you even include Sofia Boutella when she is from north africa and not spain?
Because she's being marketed by the same people and fits the same aesthetics as all the other ugly prostitutes they push. They do not represent Spanish people.
Put that ugly Ayyylmo in the shit tier.
>hispanic
half those girls are like 90%-100% european
>Remember when they said that The Mummy flopped and standalone movies will be more successful than shared universe films?
The Mummy was supposed to start the Dark Universe, are you moronic.
And still made more money than any od post-darkuniverse slop.
Renfield made glorious 27 m worldwide. Demeter is going to make around 40 m if foreign numbers help. Their budgets are 110m combined. 65 for Renfield and 45 for Demeter. Both will make less money than they cost to make. Meanwhile 'massive flop' Mummy scored 409 m worldwide on budget of 120 m. Yet somehow that was a flop and these morons decided to cancel monster universe and now we have trash that flops one by one.
when they said that The Mummy flopped and standalone movies will be more successful than shared universe films?
>The Mummy was supposed to start the Dark Universe, are you moronic.
Yes. And look how well 'standalone' Renfield did compared to Cruise.
I'm calling it, none of these shitass standalone films will ever make more than Tom Cruise mummy. This is fact and they are living in denial to admit because the hate tom cruise. they tried to blame him for dark universe flop. Renfield director said he know why Cruise mummy flopped and his movie won't make same mistakes. And guess waht? The mistake was to cancel dark universe instead of working on it.
Mummy had some problems and I'm not saying it was perfect because it wasn't, but you take problems and think about them to find a solution. They went full moronic and scrapped everything.
They will beg tom cruise to come back and fix their shitty monsters universe. All they have to do is to keep budgets in check. Mission Impossible flopped because they spent 300M on production. If Universal decided to give Tom Cruise 90 million budget he will same them but if they are dumb enough to put 300M in his movies then frick them.
Oh man I totally forgot about the nic cage vampire flick, commercials made it look hilarious. Shame it didnt surpass generic boring tom cruise actionslop...
>Mummy had some problems and I'm not saying it was perfect because it wasn't,
The Mummy was a perfect Universe starter. It was basically Iron Man but with post credits scene included in the main plot instead of luring audience to watch dogshit credits to see 30 seconds scene not related to the rest of the movie. I'm wondering if Iron Man wouldn't be also critically panned if Nick Fury came to ask Tony about Avengers much earlier than in post credits scene.
Unfortunately our world is moronic and movie where main script includes everything is apparently bad but when you make a movie and force a scene adding nothing to the plot only to tease more movies is supposedly good writing.
Imagine a book where at the end, when you are done reading, there's an extra chapter that should be somewhere else. Book critics would consider this badly edited. However movie critics praise this.
I'm not talking about quality, it's subjective. I don't like capeshit but others do and IMO The Mummy had problems but I'm talking about raw number. From business perspective it was a bigger hit than these other films like Renfield or Last Voyage. They ruined their chances because instead of finding a way to fix problems with The Mummy and whole Dark Universe, they simply gave up. Now they will have hard to to score anything. The Dark Universe had an interesting premise of shared monster connections. There are 200 Dracula films. There are 15 Mummy films and 30 Frankenstein films but there's not a lot of movies where monsters cross paths and this was the thing that made their concept interesting. Good or bad movies, it's still something different than dozens of remade horror films.
What are the budgets of these films? Budgets have blown up so much it's hard to make a profit. Think they should think smaller scale and keep the budget low. But Demeter seemed to me like that's what they did do.
Renfield budget 65 mill - total box office 27 mill, opening weekend 10 mill
Demeter budget 45 mill - total box office may come close to 35 mill maybe 40 if they are lucky with international numbers. opening weekend will be very low, like 6 mill or so
Mummy budget 120 mill - earned 409 mill worldwide with opening weekend of 170 mill
All 3 movies are rated rotten, with rather bad reviews.
Dang I thought Renfield had good reviews. Everyone's so harsh on horror movies man.
I really liked it. It was funny and sweet.
They should just do a new version of "The Mummy Returns"
WOKEULA IS DEAD ON ARRIVAL
maybe if they released one that was actually good
whoever did the prosthetics on that vamp needs to be fired. good lord. that shit looks comical. looks like he has down syndrome or something.
It kinda looks like a ferengi or a koala.
No one fricking wants to see Dracula on a boat + muh racism.
>Dracula on a boat
Absolute kin-
>muh racism
Goddammit
>troony captain
Where is the troony in the film
so hold on. both this and Renfield are by Universal. you're telling me that they were producing TWO shitty Dracula movies at the same time?
Yes, they both cost as much as Tom Cruise mummy but they both bombed 20x harder.
>Renfield budget 65 mil, box office 27 mil
>Demeter budget 45 mil. box office expected to flop
>Invisible man budget 10 mil box office 140 mil
now add 65, 45,and 10 to get same budget as the mummy with much lower combined box office.
>The mummy budget 120 mil, 409 box office
Honestly cancellation of dark universe and moving to standalone films was a mistake from business point
im angry, i hoped these movies finally get off but after 5 attempts im just done. bring back dark universe, make dumb capeshitty movies and at least have fun. not frustrating standalone dogshit films that actually set up sequels and then do nothing because they bomb so hard
sry for bad grammar and spelling, i m triggered as frick
Yeah I don't get it either. And let's assume that Renfield ended up being a big success. People would naturally assume that the next Dracula movie would have Nicholas Cage. So they would go to this movie and see no Nicolas Cage. It's setting yourself up for a huge loss. What is the fricking idea behind this mess?
>What is the fricking idea behind this mess?
Monsters work for other studios. Be patient, Universal has only those monsters. And dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are better.
Don't care wolfman 2010 was kino, the cowards should've went forward and made more.
Idea is
>Universal planned monster universe
>they had scripts for Dracula Untold, Dracula Untold 2, Van Helsing, Wolfman etc
>The Mummy 'flops' and people go reeee over monster universe connections
>Universal angry scrapped connected universe and takes 2 years break
>Calling writers and directors to see their own monster movie ideas
>Universal greelights every crap people suggested
>No shared connections, no logic, no greater goals, just halfassed monster movies
Here is updated list of shit to come. BTW Untitled Universal Monsters is already filmed and in post production. We will see that trainwreck in 2024. This is going to be epic mess.
Note Van Helsing and another Dracula film planned. So that's like 5 Dracula films about different Dracula versions.
So it's going to be woke with Black folk all over it?
Who's the guy holding a squirrel?
I just want to say thsts a great Pic anon, it truly encapsulates the struggle for Xennial parents trying to raise moronic little zoom zooms and alphas in troonyworld
They shoot themselves in the foot when they decided to make the mummy into a hot woman case in point. Who the frick finds ''monster'' hot women cool or scary? only tard coomers are into that. Frick that movie. Also heard their first monsterverse frankenstein movie would focus on the bride instead of the monster. Good riddance to this shit.
The mummy was a nod to now forgotten old fashioned books where female mummy was spooky but fascinating. These novels were very popular in 1800s and early 1900s before Hollywood turned mummy into a generic egyptian zombie.
>The mummy genre has its origins in the 19th century when Egypt was being colonized by France and, subsequently, by Victorian Britain. The first living mummies in fiction were mostly female, and they were presented in a romantic and sexual light, often as love interests for the protagonist; this metaphorically represented the sexualized Orientalism and the colonial romanticization of the East. Notable examples of this trend include The Mummy's Foot by Théophile Gautier, The israeliteel of Seven Stars by Bram Stoker, The Ring of Thoth by Arthur Conan Doyle, She: A History of Adventure and Smith and the Pharaohs by H. Rider Haggard, My New Year's Eve Among the Mummies by Grant Allen, The Unseen Man's Story by Julian Hawthorne, and Iras: A Mystery by H. D. Everett; the latter actually has the protagonist marry a mummy which takes on the form of a beautiful woman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy_(undead)
they should've primed dark gothic mummy as the overarching villain instead of blowing their load in the first movie.
sad that this was tom cruise's last chance to start another franchise - he's def too old to do it again.
There was a hot woman mummy in the Brendan Fraser one too, granted she wasn't the main antagonist, but it's not that wild of a concept. The Tom Cruise one got panned because it sucked and the other one was so much better in comparison.
Female mummy comes directly from Bram Stoker's mummy book "The israeliteel of Seven Stars"
One of my fav Stoker's books. I prefer this one over Dracula. Also make sure it's the first edition with original bad end. Later issues have lame happy end. Read it.
I just read the wikipedia article on that book, expecting some hot mummy romance. What a let down.
This is a suspense horror book about female Mummy.
For romance take, check Iras by H. D Everett (she used nickname Theo Douglas in late 1800s) where an archaeologist brings a mummy back to life, they are together and she's slowly decaying and turning back into a mummy.
Halloween monsters only scare children. You cannot have horror with fricking Count von Count
But you can have kino.
>the invisible woman
>invisible man 2
What do they need a movie about an invisible woman? Do they want her to marry the invisible man?
Hopefully she's stalking some lonely guy. That'd be pretty cool haha
This same thing happened with DC.
Why is it so hard to just STOP. Spend some time plotting out a proper series and overseeing the new writers and directors and having them on the same page. They can shit out some Purge, Fast/Furious and Jurassic movies while people wait.
Back after Batman & Robin they basically froze all Batshit for several years and then groomed Nolan to restart it, fresh. They even initially went to Aronofsky, and ultinately said no. They didn't want the same character in multiple different "universes"
Hell I think Renfield could have been a good success had they done shit differently
>title is Dracula instead of Renfield
>focus of movie is on Nic Cage Dracula
>release the shit towards the end of September or early October
As it is the movie is mostly meh but turns to gold anytime Nic Cage comes on screen
>Renfield budget 65 mil
What the frick? Doesn't most of the movie take place in like a theater or some shit?
Invisible Man did 14 times it's budget, while having it's release suddenly cut off due to COVID. Also the idea of cheapies suits the monster movies. Would have been a good point to jump off from for a shared universe. Unfortunately the guy who made it immediately signed a deal with Blumhouse, who wants to put more shit on Amazon and not with Universal.
Universal just can't get this monster shit to work
There's more shit coming.
I am literally going to kill myself if the wolfman flops bros I stg
Ryan Gosling kept talking about it but idk if it's gonna happen
ik man, I've been following this shit since like 2020 and I haven't heard anything since that initial announcement.
>50 million budget without marketing
hahaha, let's say 30-40 million marketing, need 160-180 million to break even, so a 100 + million bomb
this homosexualry its just money laundery, you can't make so many movies and fail and still make more
Why are they such box office poison?
>Universal just can't get this monster shit to work
Some of this is just producing shit in order to keep the rights to the IP.
>IP
is there IP? i assumed it was all stuff that entered common use
Correct. No Ivan we don't share your race fanaticism. Yes Ivan black people existed 200 years ago.
Black people didn't exist until the 2000s when America put them on the map
>Yes Ivan black people existed 200 years ago.
they wouldn't have been in the upper areas of the ship if you catch my drift
my name is not ivan HOWEVER i am a slav and i DO KNOW you americna LOVE Black person
>we don't share your race fanaticism
You have a person on Supreme Court explicitly as a racial quota.
There is no one more race obsessed than Americans.
>victorian england setting
>black doctor
Yes Ivan there were educated black people in England.
He was a Black person in the source material?
>Yes Ivan there were educated black people in England.
It's 2023 now I don't believe you. Black folk were a novelty that wore off once actual humans realized Black folk are dumber than dogs, and less useful too.
In fact most humans would rather have a dog fricking their wife than a Black person. Simple as.
>Ivan
is exxon schizo back from /k/?
/k/ucks leave, you will never be a woman
>there were educated black people in England
There still aren't even now.
>there were educated black people
Where did they go?
There aren't even educated black people here in Norway, one of the most liberal places on the planet.
Hell, most of the ones I knew didn't even make it to a real high school.
Didn't see a single one in university.
And it's free here.
Not even free - they PAY you to study at university. And then you can get your minority grants and shit on top of that.
Did they do any marketing for this movie? I've never heard of it until today.
>45m budget
I told you gays it wasn't 100m
Rule of thumb is doubling their alleged budget to get the total spent on marketing and stuff.
N
Who could have guessed a tired, uninspired plot didn't inspire audiences?
These were good times when tv was somewhat decent. Now its just shit. Cant remember the last time this made me chuckle.
And watch them still make a sequel with black vanhelsing
They don't make sequels to these movies. They just restart over and over. No sequel to The Mummy despite the fact it made over 400 mil worldwide. No sequel to Dracula Untold ever. Sequel to Invisible Man is not happening now. Renfield flopped so hard director backed out saying that despite earlier plans, his movie won't restore monster universe.
I'll watch this when it comes on the streaming service I subscribe to, and I'll probably enjoy it.
It's not coming out on the one you have, you have to subscribe to another one.
im in canada and if a movie bombs in the theaters it usually shows up on something called cravetv
yeah but not this time
>universal pictures
yeah it'll be there
nobody subscribes to peawiener including you
Has every one of their classic monster updates except The Mummy (99) been a dumpster fire? Why is it so hard to get this right and why do they keep trying after so many failures?
I subscribe to The wiener for the WWE Network
Why not put "Dracula" in the title? Nobody knows what a Demeter is
The Last Voyage of the Dr-ACK!
>Matey, I don't want to alarm you but there may be a Dracula or Draculae on the ship!
>Look up movie on IMDB out of curiosity
>First thing I see is a still of a Black person on the trailer playback
Yeah, deserves to bomb
>Lair of the Black Doctor Worm
It's an interesting premise, but just too small of a plot for a mainstream movie. Attacking one by one, yada yada. Should have expanded the story.
The entire problem is they expanded the story and added unnecessary characters. The “small” scope is what makes it incredible. They’d just need to actually commit to the idea rather than tack on gimmicks.
>The “small” scope is what makes it incredible. They’d just need to actually commit to the idea rather than tack on gimmicks.
The preview was just repetitive, showing people on the deck of the ship in the rain getting murdered. Looks boring. Didn't look scary, didn't look interesting. Going to bomb
woke-broke strikes again
Some gold from the last thread
pure kino
It is a terrible mischaracterization to cast a black because dracula was obsessed with race and spreading his curse. He would never have deigned to mix with subalterns just like he hated the turks
Nobody wants Dracula movie #846
>Nobody wants Dracula movie #846
There hasn't been a proper Dracula movie since the first Lugosi one.
Oh cmon moron, Coppola's Dracula and the Hammer horror Dracula films are great, keep on sucking wiener
Coppola's Dracula sucks. Hammer's Dracula is hit and miss. Their best Dracula movie doesn't have Dracula in it. (That's not a knock, either; Brides of Dracula is great.)
Maybe 1922 Nosferatur but that evolved into something original. But every Dracula movie is missing something even the Coppola version messes up with the love triangle that shouldn't be there. I watched Langella version and it was pretty basic. We know the story it needs something extra.
>Coppola's Dracula
>Making Dracula, a rapist baby killing monster into a tragic figure who goes to Heaven after all the shit he's done
Movie is fricking garbage.
Posting here because it's better discussed than in my older thread. Having seen all 5 of Universal monster reboots I have just 1 question.
How come they are worse and worse? I thought The Mummy was bad and Renfield was even more idiotic but holy shit Voyage of Demeter is so fricking stupid it makes alll these previous films Citizen Kane.
Is Universal legitimately moronic? Their movies have great production values, good effects, unique atmosphere but nothing matters because scripts are so bad you can't enjoy the rest.
Frick this. I wanted these movies to finally build a good monster themed franchise but they are so bad I'm fricking done. And racism themes in Demeter were not needed.
Was Renfield really meant as a reboot? It totally came across as a goofy one-off making Dracula a joke.
>Was Renfield really meant as a reboot?
if it was a success they were going to shift away from straight up horror to horror comedy as the formula for their monster universe. They're throwing random shit in every direction and hoping something, anything, sticks.
The Mummy was fun.
TheMummy is key to all of this. People like to shit on it but the truth is its still the biggest hit. None of these standalone monster movies will ever reach box office numbers even close to TheMummy. When you sum up budgets of Demeter, Renfield and Invisible man you will get 120m which is how much they spent on TheMummy. Now combined box office of these films adds up to 200m. TheMummy alone made 410m.
Universal is fricked because they dropped the world introduced in TheMummy instead of working on a way to fix it.
There is an extra layer of irony because TheMummy teased other monsters and people were incredibly butthurt about this but in the end we will get other monsters movies just without Russell Crowe and his Men in Black meets S.H.I.E.L.D team.
Also, over time people seem to appreciate TheMummy more.
https://horrorobsessive.com/2021/01/23/the-mummy-2017-is-a-fun-underrated-action-horror-film/
>Also, over time people seem to appreciate TheMummy more.
>https://horrorobsessive.com/2021/01/23/the-mummy-2017-is-a-fun-underrated-action-horror-film/
Based and kino.
Invisible man wasn’t a bad movie. I actually enjoyed the premise of it but that hand maids tale b***h just has an off putting face
Invisible man was watchable.
Dracula Untold was insanely bad. Even worse than Renfield.
Not watching any more of this garbage.
It's depressing how much money has been plowed into the worst fricking monster remakes ever
Dracula films have kicked ass for almost a century until now. It should be the easiest reboot ever because the plot arc is essentially perfect.
I've been wanting a Creature from the Black Lagoon remake since I was a little kid. Now I'm dreading it happening.
>here's your creature of the BLACK lagoon remake
I hate Del Toro for that film.
Not even sweet, sweet Sally Hawkins breasts could save it from being a pathetic furgay fantasy. Also turning a quintessential colonial adventure into some excruciatingly boring allegory about racism.
What a shitty movie
>racism themes in Demeter
Aaaaand, dropped.
>racism themes in demeter
LMAO how did they shoehorn that pozzed shit into a boat story about a vampire?
>I wanted these movies to finally build a good monster themed franchise
Literally fricking why? So you can get an Avengers style team up movie where they all have to fight a generic baddie? Or so you can drool and clap when they have cameos or callbacks? Explain to me what the benefits of a cinematic universe are outside of a marketing perspective. Because I see none other than milking gullible morons out of more money.
It's fun to have one fantasy world with all those various creatures and locations but when Universal did it in the 40s the movies quickly hit creative rock bottom. Since then they've been doing nothing but stand alone remakes so the current situation is the norm.
I like those classic monsters and I wished they were in the zeitgeist and Universal is trying so hard almost to the point of annoying everybody but people don't care. Especially kids. Monsters aren't relevant. Or rather those Universal monsters aren't, people loves monsters just not their monsters it must be a pain in the ass.
House of Dracula
House of Frankenstein
crossovers Frankenstein meets Wolf Man
Monster Squad
Why do you always assume it's Avengers where monsters fight other bigger monster. I imagine something like monsters are always baddest or neutral. They just unite to survive humans hunting them.
I don't believe they wanted Ahmanet mummy turned good side. She was evil to absolute end. Dracula Cage was also bad guy and wouldn't be a hero.
Monster themed cinematic universe allow something like Men In Black rather than Avengers.
Check that The Mummy Demastered game. Ahmanet is evil queen summoning creatures humans have to fight. It's just cool Alines-like but in neo-gothic settings rather than scifi
>baddest
baddies* I meant phone posting sucks
The monster mash stuff always removed the characters from their contexts to such an extent that nothing of interest remained. They were just desperate juxtapositions. If it were a very stylish action movie where atmosphere and context didn't matter it could possibly work but it's hard to make a good case for trying, in my opinion.
They could have salvaged it if they made it like the Bad Travelling episode from that Love, Death and Robots show. Don't think there was anything like
>racism themes in Demeter were not needed.
in it
because too many women are involved in writing
Frick off ivan, putler lost btw
Saw literally ONE ad for this shit on tv embedded in between six billion of those hideous burger king commercials, saw there was an anachronistic black dude in it, and immediately wrote it off, and I suspect most people who saw the ad did the same. I have no problems with black people being in appropriate settings, and this one is borderline, but making them all look like clean modern people is really fricking stupid and makes me disinterested regardless of race. Can you imagine if they made Blood Meridian and the Glanton gang all looked clean-shaven and the black dude had trimmed corn rows and a clear face? Wouldn't DARE make a black dude look any less than perfect these days. Remember the potc movies when all characters, even the main ones, looked a bit rough? Different era.
I could buy it if the black guy was a regular sailor or something because that's the one area you'd logically see more "diversity" in that setting because people sail in from all over the place on trading ships, but a fricking doctor, come on now
and if he's really complaining about racism in the movie that's every more funny because already the character holds a status far higher than he ever would have in reality
Exactly. If we're gonna pretend black people were never in movies until the last decade (fricking ridiculous and easily disproven, but everyone suddenly decided a lie was truth), let's fully welcome them by using them appropriately in movies. That is respect and equality (another word that's lost its meaning), not this fricking ego fellating bullshit. You want in the club you've already been in for over 100 years? Join it fully and commit to the role. You're playing a black sailor in the early-mid 19th century, you are uneducated and dirty, and so are most of the white people around you so get the frick over it. That applies to all the characters. Also, the doctor thing is ridiculous.
Man, remember when Penny Dreadful got the whole thing right? Too bad it got really bad in S3.
doubt the average american knows it's dracula related
Is it just called "Demeter" ? They made the same mistake with Renfield the morons. They're greatly overestimating how much the average normie knows about Dracula
there's a big billboard for this in Hollywood near Universal property and somebody artistically graffiti'd their ghetto name completely covering the "demeter" logo, it's quite funny because it has the "the legend is born" tagline right above it
I could have written a better movie AND got the female demographic as well.
Basically i'd have the movie focus on a female character who's on this voyage with her family and there's this chad in the ship as well who she gets to flirt with and also a creepy guy into her who's she's trying to dodge.
Every night someone dies with their body sucked dry. She thinks it is the creepy guy. She and chad try to investigate together with the crew to see who's the killer. One by one everyone dies.
In the end she finds out the creepy guy was just a virgin who's trying to score with her. He wasn't the killer. He even tried to save her. The killer is the chad, and that chad was DRACULA.
I know, i am awesome.
you're trying too hard
C'mon.
That would have been a neat romantic thriller with several twists and turns. Part whodunit, part horror, overall a romance.
>Dumb kid
>Kill the dog
>Diversity groid
>Woman with a gun
>Smashing Pumpkins
>Show the monster in the trailer
Could they have fricked the trailer up and made it any more unappealing? No vampire fan is going to want to see this slop, let alone anyone else. The monster doesn't even look like a vampire.
>. The monster doesn't even look like a vampire.
Wait is it supposed to be fricking Dracula? I thought it was just a random vampire
Yes. The Demeter is the ship chartered to carry Dracula and Renfield to England, whose crew are murdered/missing by the time it makes landfall, leaving only a mentally unstable Renfield alive in the ship's hold.
Is Renfield even in this movie?
That's from the 1931 movie version, Renfield is in England in the novel
What are you talking about? Renfield went to Transylvania to advise the count on real estate and came back to England insane and was committed to an asylum. Harker was from the same firm and was literally his replacement. Dracula never employs Renfield in any capacity other than stopping by to kill him for talking too much.
So instead of the usual cool human-like look, Dracula is some bat boy abomination?
This and Renfield are entirely different universes?
>Black guy stuck with Dracula on a ship
>does not say ''ive had it with this monkey fighting dracula on this monday to friday ship!''
dropped
It was good movie with some flaws, americans just don't like anything related to eastern europe not even black doc could saved it.
>americans just don't like anything related to eastern europe
Wasn't the show chernobyl a smash hit upon release?
Forcing people of color into unrelated roles costs money and credibility
I absolutely love vampires, but when I saw the trailer with the diversity nignog and then the Pumpkins song, I knew the movie had no interest in making a compelling Dracula story, or a horror movie. Shit was dead in the water before it even had a chance
>dracula but on a boat
at least they were smart enough to do Pinhead but In Space. It's still garbage, but they tried.
The boat idea...was a bad idea.
CGI garbage won't save a bad idea...great acting won't save it either.
Shame to see Dastmachiavellian in that garbage scow, because from what he was talking about last year, it sounded like a good movie in theory.
It could be a really terrifying movie if it were done well. All the crewmen getting picked off one at a time, all of them slowing getting more and more upset and erratic as people vanish, with sightings of an unaccounted for person moving around. That kind of story requires a good writer however and good camerawork, to build all the tension needed to sell it to the audience. This movie has none of that
Holy shit, this project has been kicking around Hollywood since at least 2003?
Medavoy is senile at this point and has literal morons working under him at Phoenix. They passed on a great script of mine and bragged about this hunk of Demeter shit to me in the same meeting.
Wolfman 2010 would have been a kino starting point but it's too late for that now.
Around the time Wolfman did release Universal were flirting with the idea of building upon it with sequels and branching out into the other monsters ala Wolfman vs Dracula.
After it underperformed they never mentioned that topic again until Dracula Untold and Mummy started coming about.
I completely understand why it underperformed, the theatrical version is a cut up choppy mess whereas the unrated longer version has lots of little scenes added back in that makes it into a much better film.
I took my first date ever to that movie.
It was so bad it ruined the entire date. What a shitty memory.
I do think people just lost all interest in the movie after the trailers hit and they saw the black doctor. From that instance, everyone knew he would be the one to stay alive of the whole ordeal.
They were right to lose interest because people at this point know the pattern. When you see blacks in places they do not belong, what follows is what you can expect. There's no point investing any interest into it. Once I saw the trailer for the new Castlevania animation, I did the same thing. It was over before it started
This is because of a black protagonist who's motivated by his hatred of whites and a one-dimensional mary sue who is inherently unlikable.
This movie's failure has nothing to do with Dracula. A vampire slasher film on a boat is a good idea. Wokeshitters fricked it and are currently paying for it.
>black protagonist who's motivated by his hatred of whites
Is this for real? It's really off-putting.
Last Voyage of the MEATBEATER
>BMWF
not watching it.
It's a made for streaming movie honestly
I'll watch it in a few months but thinking anyone would spend $50 for a date night to see this schlock is delusional
Especially with a few better options already available
I mean, just look at the fricking trailer, did anyone really think this shit was gonna be a hit? Lmao
They should have done it like that "Too mant cooks!" video from Adult Swim with Dracula being a passenger that has been in the background from the beginning until it's revealed he's a murderous monster and he becomes the protagonist and only survivor.
Or they could do a movie about a black doctor talking about racism, that works too...
They should have had the black guy turn out to be Dracula. His backstory is transparently fake anyway.
Blackula?
The bat monster thing they went with is already black,
, it wouldn't be too big a change
Would he be called Blacula or Black Dracula?
Maybe changing the name overseas to clarify what it is is the wise choice
Who the frick watches new movies these days?
Gay moronic wannabe normalgays thats who
Why are we getting a monster movie and a ghost movie two months out from October?
We need money in this fiscal quarter or else we'll look bad to management
So they can get out of theatres and on streaming/VOD in time for Halloween.
Except no one is going to stream those movies on Halloween because of bad word of mouth.
If the movies had come out in October, you could have had some date night spooky movies for October (and a safe Halloween movie for the kiddies). October usually saves spooky movies from bad word of mouth because people are desperate to see something spooky in the Halloween time.
Now no one will see the movies because no one wants to see Halloween movies in July and they have bad word of mouth.
The mummy became massive streaming hit 4 years after the release despite people shitting on it. It topped Netflix, Amazon and so on.
Just make season 1 of The Terror but the boat's moving and the bear is a bat
Should have ade a Dracula Untold sequel with Luke Evans and Sarah Gadon.
I haven't seen this yet. How shit is it? It certainly isn't good, but how bad?
Dracula Untold is the best Dracula movie of the 21st century. Luke Evans and Sarah Gadon are great.
Sarah Gadon is angelic.
Please, no. Worst "Dracula" movie ever made. Holy shit, it's so shit it shouldn't be legal.
This
Frick off. That movie was fricking awful.
Nah you're the awful one here bucko. With the exception of the last 2 minutes Dracula Untold is great.
Sarah Gadon and Luke Evans are amazing in Dracula Untold.
Has there ever been a thread on Cinemaphile that has gone 100+ posts where you haven't shown up?
Unironically have a nice day.
Cope. Dracula Untold is kino and Sarah Gadon is gorgeous.
>simping cuck defines a movie's worth by whether or not he can fap to the actresses
You coombrains are almost worse than the hollywood slimeballs.
Whatever gay it probably just didn't have enough Black folk and gays and gayBlack folk in it for you
It's still a good movie regardless, but having a beautiful, blue eyed, blonde Goddess with pink nipples like Sarah Gadon is always nice to see.
I love Sarah Gadon.
Wasn't the source material just few pages of Among Us?
it's in the original novel, but it's told through the captain's journal and basically amounts to "yeah some weird shit is happening and everybody is dying." It could make for an interesting movie about paranoia and claustrophobia but it seems Universal went with the slop route.
What's funny to me is they were beaten to the punch by almost 5 years with the low budget movie Blood Vessel and BV is the better movie
I'm a busy man, is this movie worth spending an hour and a half?
>Genius black doctor who went to Cambridge, and sports modern LA haircut
If he's supposed to be a rich educated black man n the 19th century (Very rare, even more in England) he should have very short hair or slightly longer straightened hair
But i guess it would be problematic to show they did not like their hair back then
>i guess it would be problematic to show they did not like their hair back then
Maybe, but more than that it just isn't the kind of detail they would give a frick about regardless.
Nobody wants to see black people! Including black people!
>black doctor in 1870 or whatever
Stop. Frick off.
Universal is releasing the classic movies in 4k this october. I don't know if they'll keep the extras from earlier releases. They're trying so hard to make people care but they have no talent
That's neat, I guess, but a lot of old movies don't benefit much from 4K.
The main ones have been out for a while. The guys on the blu-ray forums say they're a worthwhile upgrade over the 2013 blu-rays but who knows how true that is and how much is just audiophile-tier self justification.
Of these I've only seen Wolf Man in 4K. It was fine. Not an amazingly better transfer or anything. If you have a 4K TV I can't think of a good reason not to watch them but it won't be a transformative experience.
Yeah I'm just sticking with those fantastic steelbooks with the individual artwork on each one they did a couple years back
There's not much that can be done. All the scenes that could've been restored were restored in the 90s. Other than the epilogue to 1931 Dracula that was shown in the 1999 documentary (aparently only those fragments were in good condition). The extras should be carried over from earlier releases of course.
What a mystery.
Must be because no one likes vampires.
>one of the most famous chapters
if it was so famous, they wouldn't need to put dracula in the title of the movie.
whoever thought this movie would sell, even without the black guy and woman, should never work in hollywood again.
It could easily have been a great movie.
>Crew trapped in vessel
>Something/someone is killing them off
>Nowhere to escape
>Psychological drama between interesting/shady characters
It's formulaic. It has been done a million times, and usually with great success.
There's a problem with that, it requires a good writer.
This is literally all they had to do:
>Take super basic indie youtube animation with paper cutouts
>Swap names
>Slap "Dracula" on the title
>Slap "Dracula" on the title
they panicled and did this internationally ("Dracula: Voyage of the Demeter")
They should have taken more inspiration form The Thing with some The Terror and focus on the paranoia and psychological fear.
Hollywood will never admit what the problem is, though everyone can see it. They'd rather crash and burn than admit it or adjust the course. Watching them bankrupting themselves is actually more fun than their movies in the last decade.
what I learned in life is that they truly cant see it though. The biggest mistakes in my life were due to thinking that other people cant possibly be as dumb as they appear to be. Everytime I was proven wrong, people are exactly as they seem to be
I want them to fail. The entertainment industry means nothing to me. I don't even own a TV.
Hollyisraelite created the very rules which are killing them. It's going to be a slow and agonising death. It's hilarious.
jeeze, i wonder why it bombed, KEK.
But at last you have that ESG BlackRock money, so it's all good.
Why do all modern young black male actors make the buck face on the red carpet?
I wonder why people don't go watch racial propaganda.
I was really exited when I heard about it, because BOATS and vampires are cool, although I was imagining Gary Oldman and a murder mystery. And then the trailer killed all my interest, when it showed some hairless monkey.
They need a big movie if they want this monster shit to take off. Why don't they make a Rated R horror thriller about Wolfman or some shit? Who wants to watch a boring ass drama about monsters? These are supposed to be horror movies. The reason the 1920s ones weren't scary is because it was the 1920s. They can do it right this time and they just aren't.
>Classic monsters are dead again
That's an ugly meta-human.
This is a monster.
classic monsters always refer to cursed humans like dracula or wolfman
this is feral monster what you posted, same with chupacabra, king kong or godzilla
>classic monsters always refer to cursed humans like dracula or wolfman
no one outside of hollywood slop consumers says "classic monsters"
moron.
you would use buzzwords, i dub you a classic moron.
Why doesn't Universal just make new classic monsters instead of trying to milk this boomer shit?
gormless monkey
To be honest I’m a horror fan and even I have never even remotely heard of this movie until I stumbled upon this thread
>random hyper competent black guy in the 19th century
I’ve never seen a film with this character do well
>Take single chapter of book and make it into a movie
>Movie fails badly
Wow, can't believe nobody saw that coming.
wokeula
Why get Liam Cunningham just to ruin the casting anyway?
Yeah, I don't wanna see a Black person and a b***h lecturing dracula about racism and feminism.
i see a Black person in the movie, i dont watch it. simple as.
>BIPoC are le bad
Reddit
Reddit.
Woke is unironically over.
Studios need to go full anti-woke now to survive.
The age of goyslop is over, enter chud chow
Even with esg blackrock funding? I was thinking they'll just quintuple down.
I hope so, I know blackrock / esg is just an antisemitic racist poltroon conspiracy theory but I wish it was true to make white supremacists and incels seethe
If everyone here was like you this would just be another reddit. Should you just go there maybe?
I'm still protesting them not allowing third party apps, I found Cinemaphile that way hearing youd be freedom fighters against spez but i didnt expect all the racism and conspiracists here but I learned to ignore them.
Would becoming a nice progressive non toxic community really be such a bad thing to you? Is your bigotry truly so deeply rooted?
Oh wow you're feral, you've been bit. You actually were for that embarrassing subreddit blackout thing a while back? And using terms like "toxic" and referring to websites as "communities" is very reddit as well. You also seem to think that conspiracy is a synonym for incorrect.
>International Markets
It’s not even getting released in places like the UK. It’s fricked.
I thought the concept was cool but then they threw in le intelligent black man protagonist in an era and place it doesn't make sense.
Also while I am racist, it's not just that. I like Anthony Mackie, he's wasted in Marvel shit. He was good in Twisted Metal.
>Dracula film
>Give it that title
Smart move
>from directing Trolljegern to a westernized vampire flick with Black person protag
How did it come to this? Are all norwegians cucked?
Business idea: cut out all the vampire parts, splice them in place of all the manbearpig parts of The Terror, cut out all the bits about being stuck in the icel. If there are any Universal execs in this thread (and we all know there is) I will accept an executive producer credit and 10 points.
i am only hearing about this movie right now. at least they saved tens, possibly hundreds of millions by not having a marketing campaign.
>Universal makes ANOTHER Dracula film
>Does not put Dracula on the title
>Dracula is some shitty bald cgi monster
What were they thinking?
The movie is literally about the black doctor becoming black Van Helsing.
To the point that he performs blood transfusions and swears vengeance on Dracula.
I am shocked they didn’t call him Van Helsing.