Give it up, autists
Look you posted Vendetta on Cinemaphile for over a year now, the devs already said they can't use characters unless their show aired worldwide and while even the more obscure picks like El Tigre and Teenage Robot aired overseas, Making Fiends only ever aired in Nicktoons (not even Nick) USA and nowhere else and even then it only aired for a month
Seems to be a do over of the first one with stuff that should've been in that one. People who bought that one got ripped off like people that bought MvC3 on launch day.
I disagree
I bought the first one because it looked fun (and certainly was for a few months) but also because I respected more players entering the platform fighting space.
The money I spent on the first one went on to enrich the genre and allowed this second, better game to get made.
>Anon spent some money, had a good time, and is happy his purchase helped fund an improved game >"kys shill REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
You're forgetting that the bar is a lot lower for them. This isn't supposed to be the next Smash. As long as they turn a profit of 5 cents, it's a win for them.
no they don't, they don't even care about us at all.
you keep bringing up Cinemaphile like how Canadians and British people tend to talk about Americas all while American, meanwhile, only cares about stuff like football.
America is too concerned with which country they can - legally - invade and massacre. Right now they're pissed about being unable to go guns blazing into Ukraine to shoot their arch-nemesis.
I have a roommate who browses Cinemaphile and /vg/ while I browse Cinemaphile. He calls Cinemaphile a shithole all the time and keeps going back to it like some kind of addiction because he wants to talk about video games without actually joining a message board or subreddit or something like that. He hates that all the Cinemaphile threads are template threads or stealth porn threads.
One day, he leaned over my shoulder and saw me browsing a TMNT Mutant Mayhem thread here. People were talking in lengthy discussion about Nick's repeated failings with the franchise and how they keep rebooting it with the series exchanging multiple CEO hands. He went, "What the frick, this thread is legible. No wonder you don't hate Cinemaphile like I do".
We still have template, /misc/-bait, and cheesecake threads, but you're lying if you think this board is as unusable as Cinemaphile or even Cinemaphile. I can make a thread about Venture Brothers or the scrapped Sly Cooper movie and get actual responses. Not every Cinemaphile product gets that luxury (Steven Universe, The Owl House, etc), but I'd take 50% over 0%. I like anonymous posting, it's miles better than Reddit or Tumblr or Discord or whatever.
>He calls Cinemaphile a shithole all the time and keeps going back to it like some kind of addiction because he wants to talk about video games without actually joining a message board or subreddit or something like that.
Therein lies the rub. Even if you decide to bite the bullet and create an account on a place like that, discussion is so slow paced and involved so fewer people that it doesn't really feel like you're doing anything anymore. Cinemaphile is instant gratification and has no short supply of participants. We're spoiled. We've been spoiled for ages. We can't go back to the way things were, not unless every single one of us does, in order for forums to make a comeback and have sustainable populations. And even then, it'd still be too slow to be satisfying.
/co/'s problem is that comics and cartoons themselves have been mostly dogshit for over a decade. When the board was well regarded we talked about well-written cartoons like the DCAU, Gargoyles, Beast Wars, Reboot, The Spectacular Spider-Man, and Avatar, and Avatar, and Avatar, and Avatar some more. What is there to discuss now? What is there to get excited about? There's pretty much nothing, all the time, so all we get are live-action capeshit threads, outrage bait, Twitter screencaps for both, and cheesecake.
We haven't even pretended to talk about comics for years, but they've been flushed down so many drains they're in some kind of toilet for toilets now. The captchas killing storytimes didn't help that.
Cinemaphile is a shithole, its like trying to look for a reasonable conversation in a run down building occupie by insane hobos, people pretending to be insane hobos and morons screaming and pissing on you because they heard you can just come over and do that with no consequences.
I guess it makes sense that Plankton would need to be in a mecha to be playable given how being small is an inherent part of his character.
I hope that one of his voice lines is I WENT TO COLLEGE.
El Oso mogs every other villain in the show, he is the most recurring one showing up in 19 episodes while others like Black Cuervo only showed up in 9 episodes and even Sartana who is the main antagonist only showed up in 11 episodes, he also had the same voice as Bender from Futurama which is funny
In the LatAm dub Cuervo had 3 different VAs but her main one (the one who voiced her in most episodes) was the same VA who voiced Hazuki in the LatAm Doremi dub, she even used the exact same voice and didn't even try to change it one bit and I found that funny, hearing this cute voice talking about stealing shit and getting "Vendetta" on others was fun, I can't help but picture Hazuki trying to act like a bad girl
How hard would the legal negotiations be to get him in?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not much, the 31 Minutos crew is very lax when it comes to copyright, they need money in fact since after the show was cancelled they do nothing but live shows because in the creators own words "The last season was so bad it killed the show permanently"
9 months ago
Anonymous
Someone needs to send the Ludosity team down there to get Juan
I keep seeing this brought up in these threads and I don't like the idea. Maybe alts from different incarnations but having none of the base character models match wouldn't look good
No they're the ones with the most nostalgia.
There's a lot of TMNT fans who prefer the 2003 and 2012 versions more, especially with younger generations.
Don't use that excuse when every version is popular in it's own right. The only exception being Rise but even then it still as its dedicated fanbase.
Also using popularity to justify it is a false narrative due to the fact that that's not the reason why the 80s are used. The 80s are used because the devs are old and prefer their own childhood. That is the official reason given, not popularity. So stop using that as an excuse as if it's what the devs said. They didn't say that, your assumptions contradict official statements.
>2012 stopped getting merch in 2018 >2003 stopped getting merch years ago >rise stopped getting merch in 2019 >only version to get merch consistently is the 80s turtles >wHy Do ThEy UsE tHe 80s TuRtLeS?
Yes the devs have a bias, but the kart racer also switched to the 80s turtles when they had models already made for the 2012 turtles, nick mandate says no more 2012 only 80s and rise stop with this bullshit "oh the devs only care about the 80s turtles." Its 80s or nothing
9 months ago
Anonymous
The devs outright said that Nickelodeon wanted 2012 but the devs fought for 80s.
This "mandate" is a narrative you pulled right out of your ass.
There's also still TMNT toys being sold that aren't the 80s, such as this Mikey toy.
And the only two reasons why there's too much 80s is because everyone working in the entertainment industry are 80s kids and Nickelodeon, along with Hollywood as a whole, are resorting to nostalgia baiting, a strategy that's slowly but surly backfiring on them.
And if's really 80s or nothing then tell me why the recent movie isn't based on the 80s.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And if the 80s version really is so popular, then one 80s turtles should be enough.
What's the problem with having all four shows in the game?
Seriously, i'm not saying to replace the 80s, i'm saying that all four should be treated equally.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the problem is their is FIVE shows you fricking moron
80s
2003
2012
rise
and tales of the tmnt coming out next year
The devs outright said that Nickelodeon wanted 2012 but the devs fought for 80s.
This "mandate" is a narrative you pulled right out of your ass.
There's also still TMNT toys being sold that aren't the 80s, such as this Mikey toy.
And the only two reasons why there's too much 80s is because everyone working in the entertainment industry are 80s kids and Nickelodeon, along with Hollywood as a whole, are resorting to nostalgia baiting, a strategy that's slowly but surly backfiring on them.
And if's really 80s or nothing then tell me why the recent movie isn't based on the 80s.
thats based off the toys made for the 80s show you mother fricking moron, notice how NOTHING latetly uses the 2012 series designs and moved back to the 80s design, don't be a fricking moron. Also NASB 1 was made around the same time as kart racer 1, and hmmm it seems that that game had the 2012 turtles, but then they switched to the 80s turtles by the time kart racer 3 came out for no reason whatsoever. If Nick is focusing on the new tmnt series and the 80s turtles which they are, they fazed out the 2012 series in all forms of merchandise and promotion.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>There's also still TMNT toys being sold that aren't the 80s, such as this Mikey toy.
That is literally an updated version of the 80s toy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's a different design that doesn't use the 80s to market it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the sculpt is litterally what if the 80s toys had a budget and weren't just heman knock offs
9 months ago
Anonymous
It is literally the same look with more joints.
I own the 80s toy.
I own this one.
They use the TMNT 87 logo and use the 80s toy bios in the back. It's designed to be the 80s toy with articulation. It's the 80s.
Then why are their heads more like the comics and not the heads of the 80s cartoon?
the problem is their is FIVE shows you fricking moron
80s
2003
2012
rise
and tales of the tmnt coming out next year
[...]
thats based off the toys made for the 80s show you mother fricking moron, notice how NOTHING latetly uses the 2012 series designs and moved back to the 80s design, don't be a fricking moron. Also NASB 1 was made around the same time as kart racer 1, and hmmm it seems that that game had the 2012 turtles, but then they switched to the 80s turtles by the time kart racer 3 came out for no reason whatsoever. If Nick is focusing on the new tmnt series and the 80s turtles which they are, they fazed out the 2012 series in all forms of merchandise and promotion.
Well dumbass we're clearly not talking about five shows since the fith has yet to come out.
Not only that but what you said raises the question of, why not use content from all five versions? Especially the hot new latest version.
Also you're ignoring the fact that Nick wanted 2012 turtles to fit your narrative, as if Nick wanted the 80s TMNT.
It's not Nick's choice, blame Ludosity for being biased towards their own childhoods and GameMill for being lazy enough to reuse models they were already working with at the same time as Nick Kart 3's development instead of updating Nick Kart 2 models.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I should also add that the 80s TMNT are the least popular characters in the game.
Go look at the character spotlights on GameMill's YouTube channels and see how low the views are on Leo and Mikey's spotlights, especially compared to the spotlights of the 2000s characters such as Danny and Aang.
The only exceptions to this are the characters whos spotlights were first shown on other channels such as IGN as exclusive video deals.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh and don't try to refute this with any of that competitive tournament stuff because as we all should know by now the competitive players are the minority.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Then why are their heads more like the comics and not the heads of the 80s cartoon?
Because the toys were made for the 87 cartoon.
https://www.tmnttoys.com/88figures/series1.html
They had Bebop and Rocksteady in the first wave.
Ya know, the characters made for the cartoon.
They even made cartoon-accurate turtles for a wave.
9 months ago
Anonymous
OK, i will admit that you're right on this one.
But now i must put blame on Nick for not seeing the merchandising potential of 2003 and 2012 characters for example.
"But the 80s sell more". Well then maybe Nick should start propping up the TMNT franchise as a whole instead of just the 80s. Like i said it has potential, 2003 and 2012 characters like Karai and Tigre Claw would certainly sell toys, Nick just needs to market their stuff instead of relying on nostalgia all the time.
But who am i kidding, Nick has been relying on nostalgia for years now and they have gone to the point where it's devaluing their IPs ever since the SpongeBob spin offs.
Is it fair to blame Nickelodeon for crappy marketing and failing to profit off of their own creations?
9 months ago
Anonymous
It is literally the same look with more joints.
I own the 80s toy.
I own this one.
They use the TMNT 87 logo and use the 80s toy bios in the back. It's designed to be the 80s toy with articulation. It's the 80s.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's the Mirage comic, even the 80's kids don't care about the comics, it's cowabunga or bust.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Funny how 80s kids hate on 2003, 2012 and Rise fans for disrespecting the "original" yet it's the 80s fans who disrespect the true original comics the most.
Because Nickelodeon themselves didn't want that shit and they'd look terrible from how hard their designs clash. Not only that, TMNT isn't a knockoff Zelda so it shouldn't be treated like it.
Not that Anon but. >Because Nickelodeon themselves didn't want that shit
They wanted 2012 so why not meet in the middle and have multiple versions. >and they'd look terrible from how hard their designs clash.
Now this is just the most subjective thing you can bring up in this situation.
We had both 2003 and 2012 crossover with 80s and they looked fine together. >Not only that, TMNT isn't a knockoff Zelda so it shouldn't be treated like it.
Nobody said it is. It'd just be great for the franchise as a whole to get acknowledgement in the game instead of just one series.
In fact since you brought it up, this also goes to show how bad at portraying franchises the devs are compared to the Smash devs.
Smash actually cares about franchises as a whole and brings in content from multiple versions of a franchise.
NASB on the other hand lets their own personal biases get in the way of doing justice to a franchise as a whole.
How can you expect the NASB devs to be as respected as Smash devs if they go out of their way snub fans of other series in the franchise?
>Meet in the middle
Nickelodeon doesn't want the Zelda approach. >They looked fine together
Not really. And they only looked fine because all four turtles were brought in from each serious. Not just one Turtle from each era. >It'd just be great for the franchise as a whole
Then make alts. That's the best and easier solution than shoehorning 4 different models and movesets. >How can you expect the NASB devs to be as respected
That's your first problem. Expecting a bunch of indie devs to be as worshipped as Sakurai is fricking delusional. And Smash "actually caring" is debunked by the numerous half assed implementations and Smash does not represent everything either.
>Nickelodeon doesn't want the Zelda approach.
You're pulling this out of your ass. There's no proof of this. >Not really. And they only looked fine because all four turtles were brought in from each serious. Not just one Turtle from each era.
Like i said this is very subjective. >Then make alts. That's the best and easier solution than shoehorning 4 different models
What are you talking about? Making them costumes would just mean they'd have to make four different models for each turtle, twelve different models if they make costumes based on all three of the other versions. >and movesets.
Now this doesn't make any sense. All four turtles have different movesets despite all being 80s. What do could you possibly mean by this? Are you implying that somehow all the turtles are clones of each other? >That's your first problem. Expecting a bunch of indie devs to be as worshipped as Sakurai is fricking delusional.
Hold on here, i didn't say worshipped, i said respected. And i didn't even said that that's what i expected, i said it in that way because i assumed that's what you want for them. Apologies for being wrong on that. >And Smash "actually caring" is debunked by the numerous half assed implementations and Smash does not represent everything either.
You do know that this goes double for NASB, right?
That confirmation has been around a lot, moron. Nickelodeon forces mandates and specific approaches and it's been said before that Nick doesn't want a half measured Zelda approach. >This is very subjective
Worthless point since your entire point and preference is just as subjective. >Making them costumes would mean they'd have to make four different models
No they don't. Just change the colors and add a few small details to acknowledge them. >All four turtles have different movesets despite being 80s
Their movesets are more mundane and simple than Rise and 2012's crazy shit. Taking from Rise and 2012 requires a significant amount of animation and ideas that aren't feasible. While Leonardo, Mikey, and now Raph are getting basic kicks and shell attacks. >You do know that this goes double for NASB, right?
This is very subjective. Irrelevant point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That confirmation has been around a lot, moron. Nickelodeon forces mandates and specific approaches and it's been said before that Nick doesn't want a half measured Zelda approach.
If this is true then prove it. Give a source where this is stated. >Worthless point since your entire point and preference is just as subjective.
Even in these threads there has been more people wanting content from more than just the 80s series than there has been people gate keeping everything that's not the 80s. >No they don't. Just change the colors and add a few small details to acknowledge them.
You do know that this would be half assing it right? You pointing out how half assed Smash can be as a point against it yet you want NASB to be half assed? >Their movesets are more mundane and simple than Rise and 2012's crazy shit. Taking from Rise and 2012 requires a significant amount of animation and ideas that aren't feasible. While Leonardo, Mikey, and now Raph are getting basic kicks and shell attacks.
When it comes to Rise, yeah it's some crazy shit but for the most part it's mostly just gimmicks added onto what other versions can do.
As for 2012, they aren't as crazy as you're making them out to be. They're pretty much on the same level as 2003. >This is very subjective. Irrelevant point.
Then why did you bring that up as a point against Smash?
Why is it that it's relevant when you use such a point against Smash yet you deem it as "very subjective" when i use the exact same point against NASB?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ok! Nickelodeon LITERALLY required series to be uniformed. They don't like forced half measures. Here's the screenshot. >Even in these threads there has been more people wanting content from more than just the 80s series than there has been people gate keeping everything that's not the 80s.
There's a difference between gatekeeping and focusing on the more popular shit. The majority don't mind the 80s characters and depictions. >You do know that this would be half assing it
Rise doesn't fit the 80s model and skeleton. And having the 80s turtles dress up and resemble other versions would be neat. Not even Smash did that with Link or Zelda. >When it comes to Rise, yeah it's some crazy shit but for the most part it's mostly just gimmicks added onto what other versions can do.
And those gimmicks have to be apart of the moveset along with a noticeably different fighting style. Also, not >Then why you bring that up as a point against Smash
You're the one that brought up Smash. Your idea of half assing and it "going double" is subjective and outright false when comparing fan reception. Nickelodeon fans are more content with the movesets and rep than Smash fans are with their rep. At least NASB gives an honest shake at repping the character's core abilities and more + franchise stuff. Sonic's moveset and representation is a fricking travesty and less said about Ganondorf the better. Wario is reduced to a gross fart machine than a bulky powerhouse. Wario fans have constantly complained about the lack of genuine Warioland rep. The OG reps from 64 barely delve into their modern games and abilities. There's a lot more you can nitpick.
Just wanted to point out that You Can't Do That On TV, the show that created Nickelodeon's iconic green slime, is also a Canadian show Nick decided to air.
Just wanted to share this fun fact.
You're not wrong.
The roster if very focused on memes and the 90s.
Seriously, 2 Hey Arnold newcomers while Avatar only gets 1? And it's not even the most popular Avatar character.
if they could somehow manage to make it a long vertical scrolling stage that would be sick, you'd have to keep climbing up and avoid getting caught at the bottom of the screen, something like vertical space madness/traffic jam
Gerald is the truly questionable pick. Anyone who actually watched the shows knows Gertie is the only character that makes full sense on a fighting game. But having her, Helga and Gerald all over Arnold, is pushing the limit. Helga, is not even an argument that is as much of a protagonist as Arnild is. But Gerald has no business replacing Arnild either a main character nor joke character, so he is spoiling the impact that Gertie would had on her own, by just making the lack of Arbold more jarring.
The problem with Arnold's grandma isn't that she doesn't fit as a fighter, it's that she doesn't fit in a roster filled with the Nickelodeon greats.
Who looks at Nickelodeon and thinks "That grandma from Hey Arnold is one of the best characters they have every made"?
Thing is, if she was with Arnold or even just Helga, it wouldnt be so bad. Like, we got the "main rep + a conplement that makes sense", I fully stand by that, she may not have the meme power of Hugh or Nigel, but as a second rep, she could get a pass. But then we got Gerald replacing Arnold, and now she only feels like they are pushing it. Like, for real having just Helga and Gerald, would be controversial on its own, Gerald is just not a good replacement, as he could had been a second skin in all honestly. But Gerald + Gertie just bring all the wrong attention, as two characters replacing Arnold and failing at that. I could buy the excuse of Arnold being a pacifist and all that. But giving his show three reps, when most only get one, isnt making up for that, it just makes is absence more obvious.
Thing is, if she was with Arnold or even just Helga, it wouldnt be so bad. Like, we got the "main rep + a conplement that makes sense", I fully stand by that, she may not have the meme power of Hugh or Nigel, but as a second rep, she could get a pass. But then we got Gerald replacing Arnold, and now she only feels like they are pushing it. Like, for real having just Helga and Gerald, would be controversial on its own, Gerald is just not a good replacement, as he could had been a second skin in all honestly. But Gerald + Gertie just bring all the wrong attention, as two characters replacing Arnold and failing at that. I could buy the excuse of Arnold being a pacifist and all that. But giving his show three reps, when most only get one, isnt making up for that, it just makes is absence more obvious.
Gerald is the truly questionable pick. Anyone who actually watched the shows knows Gertie is the only character that makes full sense on a fighting game. But having her, Helga and Gerald all over Arnold, is pushing the limit. Helga, is not even an argument that is as much of a protagonist as Arnild is. But Gerald has no business replacing Arnild either a main character nor joke character, so he is spoiling the impact that Gertie would had on her own, by just making the lack of Arbold more jarring.
I think Gertie is the "WTF pick" but really, if the developers really a "WTF" pick, it should have been from a series that has not be represented yet or "something else entirely"
MY truly WTF pick would have been a Nick Jr. rep; either Dora, Blue.
or for extra "WTF" points, this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NpNOan9mvI
or any character from a ancient but iconic bumper.
That won't happen since the roster was already leaked and I'm sure the DLCs (if there's any) would be more characters from the shows that already got in, but if You want a really obscure pick they can use the monsters from the lost 1989 Nick cartoon pilot "Big Beast Quintet"
9 months ago
Anonymous
>and I'm sure the DLCs (if there's any)
A season pass has been advertised as soon as the game was announced.
>if the developers really a "WTF" pick, it should have been from a series that has not be represented yet or "something else entirely"
This, especially when it comes to the late 2000s and 2010 Nicktoons.
The main characters for the 2010 Nicktoons aren't well liked but the side characters have more fans.
They used side characters for Wild Thornberrys, Real Monsters and Hey Arnold so why not do the same with Nick shows with more liked side characters such as Sanjay & Craig, Breadwinners and Fanboy and ChumChum.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Those shows fricking suck, that's why and are way less successful. Imagine getting pissed that they prioritized the more successful Hey Arnold over Breadwinners lmao. Cope harder.
No frick that, you have it completely backwards. Gerald is perfectly fine as a pick, he's Arnold's right hand man ffs. Meanwhile Gertie's just the meme pick chosen for shock value rather than anything she can actually bring to the table, and in a game that also has shit like Nigel and Hugh, she's more irritating than novel.
Gerald wouldnt had made for a good rep on his own. It would be like having Heffer but not Rocko. Helga, once again, would work and did just that. But Helga and Gerald together just make the lack of Arnold more obvious. Is not "so random it works", its just weird. Gerald feels and looks exactly what he is, a replacement. And he will feel as such even without Gertie, and be a lot worse without Helga.
What part of Arnold is a pacifist do you people not understand? The fricking first episode is about him avoiding fighting by pretending to be crazy. There's an episode where he takes up karate and becomes impulsive, inconsiderate, and the opposite of his usual self before coming to his senses and swearing off of it. Do you want Bus Stop Violence Karate Arnold as a fighter at the expense of anything else to do with the series?
The problem with Arnold's grandma isn't that she doesn't fit as a fighter, it's that she doesn't fit in a roster filled with the Nickelodeon greats.
Who looks at Nickelodeon and thinks "That grandma from Hey Arnold is one of the best characters they have every made"?
Anyone with fricking taste does. Arnold's grandparents were one of the highlights of the series.
The "Arnold is a pacifist" logic is fricking moronic because hardly anyone in this game is even fighting to begin with. The characters are just throwing out references that just so happens to do damage, to even call that violence is laughable.
Also Spongebob, Lincoln, and Rocko are just as unwilling to fight in the majority of situations they're in, but that doesn't stop any of them being included. It's moronic logic for a game littered with moronic decisions.
The other characters are from zany slapstick cartoons where the protagonists not being aggressive or combative people doesn't preclude them from finding themselves in physically comedic situations that easily translate to goofy cartoon movesets. Hey Arnold is more down to earth and his particularly highlighted nature would make him throwing Abner at people or wedging the corners of his head into someone's butthole feel off.
I get why Arnold is not in. I mau not care for the explanation, but I could respect it. But the devs are overcompensating for it. Helga on her own was just fine as a rep. Now, we have three reps over the name sake of the show and whatever logic there may be, it just feels wrong, when we could had reps fron other shows instead. Like, Gerald will just be "totally not arnold" while we could have had Heffer, Ickis, Vexus, Robosnail, any Tigre Hero, Villain or even Frida for a "nornal child rep". Hell, even Clyde from Loud House, may had some complains, and be just as boring, but wouldnt feel so jarring.
I mean, the elephant in the room is they added Gerald because there aren't a lot of outwardly black characters they could throw in for diversity's sake. They didn't add Ember because of her mass shooting association, they wanted another girl.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The other characters are from zany slapstick cartoons where the protagonists not being aggressive or combative people doesn't preclude them from finding themselves in physically comedic situations that easily translate to goofy cartoon movesets.
Nigel isn't either, yet they still managed to pull a moveset out of their ass for him. It's just weak logic no matter how you try and spin it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nigel is a gigantic meme who is only on the roster because of the precipitating consequences of someone here having a nightmare about his nipples once and posting about it. Arnold isn't joke character material, there's no context for him suddenly doing wacky shit for the sake of it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
But therin lies the rub, this game only cares about being """accurate""" to the source material when it's convenient. If there was a meme around Arnold then you'd bet your ass they'd plaster him into the game as well, because cynically cashing in on internet trends is the primary purpose of this game's existence, not actually being a celebration of Nick's history.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're not wrong, I just understand excluding Arnold, it's the faithful thing to do. If he had a meme and they threw him in to reference it, I'd be posting about how he has no business being a fighter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not against not having Arnold but who says he has to do wacky shit to fight?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I mean, the elephant in the room is they added Gerald because there aren't a lot of outwardly black characters they could throw in for diversity's sake. They didn't add Ember because of her mass shooting association, they wanted another girl.
Ignoring the fact that adding characters only based on a diversity quota is stupid.
They could add Valerie as a WTF black female character and also Vexus for another female villain.
Honestly at this point i'm convinced that the devs never watched MLaaTR or Danny Phantom.
Not that Anon but SpongeBob is a karate master in his own right and isn't afraid to go up against anyone who's doing any evil around him such as Plankton and even Manray.
And Lincoln is a kid of action and high energy always getting up to shenanigans.
I get why Arnold is not in. I mau not care for the explanation, but I could respect it. But the devs are overcompensating for it. Helga on her own was just fine as a rep. Now, we have three reps over the name sake of the show and whatever logic there may be, it just feels wrong, when we could had reps fron other shows instead. Like, Gerald will just be "totally not arnold" while we could have had Heffer, Ickis, Vexus, Robosnail, any Tigre Hero, Villain or even Frida for a "nornal child rep". Hell, even Clyde from Loud House, may had some complains, and be just as boring, but wouldnt feel so jarring.
This is probably the best he's ever looked in 3D. I'm pretty harsh on people who take this art style out of its intended context, but this ain't half bad.
I kind of wish Zim was more technology-oriented than he is. He's never once used a raygun in the series. He only used giant robots twice, once in a flashback. He never tried to build a robot army, and when he finally got one in Florpus, they were hijacked Membrane robots. I guess this would all make him seem too serious in his mission.
Actually people have noticed that Zim's laser attack comes from the DS game Nicktoons Globs of Doom.
He also uses lasers in a flashback in the Tak episode.
Although other than that, yeah, i agree. Most of the 2000s characters feel off. They don't feel like they're the characters we know and love and the devs just do the bare minimum of research for them like with Danny and Jenny.
I guess i forgot that part of his moveset.
I guess it's because the devs gave him Irken weapons that Irken soldiers use such as the spear... but those are weapons Zim himself never used. The Tallest gave him shitty equipment to not only mess with him but also increase the chances of his death.
I'm honestly just glad Zim mostly escaped from the "random thing that happened in the show once" moves. I get it for characters like Lincoln who don't fight, but it's annoying when characters like Toph, who have an actual combat-oriented fighting style, hold up the champion belt over and over as an attack.
The zap stick irks me. It's a stupid nitpick to have, but that tool very much isn't "standard Invader issue." It's specifically used by the bulky Irken slave driver caste to quell uprisings. That was the one inappropriate and random pull for Zim.
I also have issues with Mini Moose.
Not that Zim uses him, but how he's utilized.
I'm sure they could have done more with Mini Moose than just have Zim use him as a weapon.
Because of Jenny's do anything robot nature, it seems you could easily go insane with her, so sticking to just the first episode is okay instead of having her turn into a bulldozer, giant electric thing that goes zap, or hook up to a water hydrant and let loose a torrent of water. Copying the emotional state she was in as well makes her feel like she's mood swinging though.
Only going with the first episode is just lazy and proves just how little care and passion went into the character. >Copying the emotional state she was in as well makes her feel like she's mood swinging though.
Finally someone understands.
I brought this up on Cinemaphile but the same guy just always starts throwing a fit and damage controlling any slightly negative thing said about how the devs handled the characters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You call any sort of disagreement "damage controlling". You're the moron blowing shit out of proportion to push a narrative.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mother fricker you do not know the amount of overly sensitive shill posting the guy in question gets up to whenever he disagrees with someone.
They know their audience. Trying to cater to people who may or may not play videogames is why Multiverses failed.
Even if the fanservice is minimal, if the gameplay is good lmao then I'd have no issue.
It's a Nickelodeon crossover game. The audience is Nick fans. Valuing the competitive community over the Nick community is a big reason why the last game dropped so hard.
A lot of Nick fans won't stay if the game caters to competitive players and a lot of competitive players won't stick around for the characters because they aren't Nick fans.
The overlap between the two is very small.
Also Multiversus got over 30 million players and is coming back next year. If Multiversus failed then that goes double for NASB.
Not to mention how Multiversus also tried to appeal to the competitive players as well.
Oh please. The diehard competitive community is what gave NASB a boost in relevancy and potential it would've never had otherwise. It brought all sorts of sales and hype because the gameplay looked so good. The pandering did something right.
And they ended up dropping the game with no signs of coming back with only few exceptions.
Seriously, the game burned them so hard the only big name competitive player still invested in it is the same guy who started the Smash killer meme.
And the "diehard Nick fans" did the exact same thing. Because it doesn't matter what they could've done. The cheaper look and general nature of casual players means they would be turned away. There were more people from the competitive side of things that stuck with the game, an entire Grinders server and constant tourneys shows this (Frycook Fridays and NASB Jr Bracket).
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah because the game valued the competitive player over the Nick fans.
You do know that people can still be a die hard fan while still having standards, right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're fricking delusional if you believe that. Games that also pandered to Nick fans sold terribly or got ditched the exact same way. But keep lying to yourself and pretend that your preferences and opinion holds more value than others. >While having standards, right?
So NASB by default wasn't going to appeal to those supposed diehards due to its lower budget. The animations and graphics were always going to be cheap. The gameplay is what allowed it a chance and the competitive diehards are what gave the game a second wind.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, it's you again. Thought you finally gave up after the hype died but at least you stick to you guns no matter how shitty they are.
All of those old Nick games you brought up leaned more into single player experiences that can be played with friends locally that hardly got any marketing and weren't released world wide.
NASB leaned more into a more multiplayer approach with online and much more hype and marketing surrounding it compared to what all the older crossover games got.
Also "Second wind"? the game didn't get any "second wind" the competitive players dropped it harder because most of them aren't Nick fans.
Those shows fricking suck, that's why and are way less successful. Imagine getting pissed that they prioritized the more successful Hey Arnold over Breadwinners lmao. Cope harder.
The quality of a show shouldn't determine on if it should get a character or not, and i'm not pissed about that, i'm just rightfully pointing out the favoritism the devs have for the 90s.
No one cares how strong or weak the universes are. Bringing that up as some weird attempt to own the 80s turtles is pathetic.
I just brought that up as a simple ironic fact. You're the one taking that fact so seriously and being defensive about it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>At least you stick to you guns no matter how shitty they are.
Pot kettle black. Your points are the most nitpicky rubbish ever. You're delusional and projecting your personal opinions over the facts. >The competitive players dropped it harder
Objectively wrong. There's been a consistently active server with 1,000 people in it that praised and enjoyed NASB. Most casual players immediately disliked NASB from its mediocre presentation. By your logic, more hype should bring it more attention by the casual audience, which is what happened. But the competitive players gave the game more thought than the supposed diehards. The diehards don't stick with games, they play it once now and again then move on. Their playthroughs amount to visits and reminiscing. Pandering to your preferences wouldn't have magically given it an active playerbase, moron. They would one and done it the exact same way because there's other shit to play too. >The quality of the show shouldn't determine
Except the quality shows are more popular and have more requested characters than the hated slop that you suggested. >As a simple ironic fact.
There's nothing ironic or worthwhile about it. You just have a petty vendetta against the 80s series that you'll resort to the most random bullshit imaginable just to slander it. It's pathetic, no matter how hard you cope about it.
Multiversus died because they stopped updating the game for a month after it had just been released. Not only that, the game lacked content to keep people interested in it (Game still made bank in profits tho).
NASB 1 Failed because it looked worse than a launch title GameCube game. Not to mention the lack of voice acting, lack of single-player, and infinities (Mikey was practically unbeatable for the first two weeks).
NASB 2 seems to fix most of these issues. Also, of course, they are going to try to cater to competitive players. Platform fighter players are desperate for a good competitive alternative to Smash. It's just that every single attempt so far has kinda been either shit gameplay or ugly to look at (MVS was probably the closest tho).
I don't care what any of you homosexuals say, Arnold's Grandma is the most based pick they could have gone for. Now if only we could get drake and josh.
Even if the devs were allowed to use live action characters, considering Drake now...yeah. That's not happening. Unfortunately. Damn it, Drake, you just had to touch a kid.
Alex Mack would just be another wacky 90s inclusion just so the devs can pander to their own bias and nostalgia.
I don't want any live action character, but don't act like Alex Mack would be any better.
You'd have to be willfully ignorant to pretend 90's Nick wasn't where the network peaked. Nicktoons are from the 90's as a concept. Their biggest IP premiered in 1999. The highest quality cartoons from the 2000's are all already represented in the roster. Everything else is a steep, steep decline into low-effort live-action swill and cartoons the executives greenlit as a joke before consigning to their garbage dump sister channel to make sure nobody actually sees them. There's a bias for 90's Nick for a reason. If you want baseless nostalgia, there's shit they could grab from 80's Nick, but I don't think there's anything from back then they have the rights to anymore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Actually it peaked in the late 90s to early 2000s.
It'd also be ignorant to pretend that the 2000s wasn't apart of the peak with Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, My Life as a Teenage Robot, El Tigre, Danny Phantom, Jimmy Neutron, the early 2000s is also when SpongeBob got seasons 2 and 3 as well as the SpongeBob movie.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And all of those cartoons are represented, except for OddParents, which was by far the weakest show in that list.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, i thought we were talking about the Nicktoons in general outside of NASB.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The important toons from both decades are in. There's nothing being snubbed by Big 90's. Frickin' Doug is a piece of shit and it's rightfully not in. If they add Quailman or something, that's empty nostalgia pandering.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well those 2000s shows can get more characters, yet Hey Arnold has three for some reason.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Daniel Fantome has three for some reason.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well it is a bigger more popular show than Hey Arnold.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Two being the main character and his main villain. Sure, the third one is little WTF, but being a fighting game, it fits having an extra character from the action oriented show. Arnold meanwhile got the Co-Protagonis on Helga (fair enough)... and then his Sidekick and then his Grandma. There is a quite the difference of priorities between the DP picks and the HA picks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Arnold is arguably the best Nicktoon. It's the soul of the network. It can get 3 reps. It's unorthodox that none of them are the main character, but they're doing it for a reason. You don't have to agree with the reason, but it's there.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Agree to disagree. I liked Arnold as a kid, I really did, the fricking cliff hanger hunted my childhood for over years. But even in the 90s, I think I would still have Rugrats and Rocko's Modern Life as a bigger deal, and then Sponge Bob and FoP would eventually come around. But hey, my memory of the 90's is just as a kid, so no idea how things were actually looking like from a more media reaching approach back then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say the strongest competition it has for top spot is classic Spongebob and Avatar. My favorite is Zim, but I know it can't touch those. >FoP
The early episodes are not without their charms but to say it's anywhere near the others is absurd. Rugrats and Rocko are fair mentions.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mind you I was trying to keep it on what was perceived as the "bigger deals" back then. I have a love hat relation with FOP which is clearly divided between the first five seasons and the final three (Seasons Six and Seven, I could leave of take, they are a decline on quality either way, but what happen after eight is a crime). Avatar, Zim or even DP would also had been my favorites from the early 00s, and from the 90s I would need to mention Angry Beavers. But I again, I was trying to look at it as objective as my childhood memory would allow.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>they're doing it for a reason
The reason is that the devs are uncreative cowards and are more TMNT fans than Nickelodeon ones. Every other moveset consist of memes; Danny and Jenny lack memes so they have weaker movesets. Arnold has zero memes so instead of actually watch Hey Arnold! for some ideas of what his potential moveset could be, they chose to not bother and ignore him.
If they can squeeze out a move set for people like Nigel and Hugh of all character, Arnold should have been EASIER but at last, the mind is fickle.
Arnold being a pacifist has no bearing, Aang is a pacifist as well. Hell, they could have work his "pacifism" into his moveset if they were that worried about it, which they shouldn't; Arnold had ran into conflict before, has played various sports, has used (unconventional) tools before, and even knows some karate. Like SpongeBob, he knows karate but rarely uses it in his moveset; using things like bubbles and nets instead. He knows how to defend himself but violence isn't his first instinct, just like Arnold. I don't see how things like garbage lids, baseball bats, footballs, pigeons, karate moves, etc. wouldn't be out of place in a moveset when others are using things like pies and umbrellas and a dirty diaper.
9 months ago
Anonymous
holy cope. They're uncreative for not adding a character you care about. That's pathetic. Others just had more to offer, get over it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Arnold is arguably the best Nicktoon
Nah, SpongeBob alone blows Arnold out of the water, same with Avatar and Fairly OddParents.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Fop better than Arnold
You are a genetic dead end
9 months ago
Anonymous
>but they're doing it for a reason
The reason being that they want a diversity quota.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I love Hey Arnold! but I have to admit that while it has high highs it has some really mediocre lows.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>they're doing it for a reason
to add him in the 3rd one.
he's the only decently-popular main character left that they can use as a selling point for the inevitable NASB3.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I gotta be blunt with you. This way of thinking is blind optimism.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the only one left
Timmy Turner and Tommy Pickles (Tak too i guess, but he's not as well-known)
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Tak too i guess, but he's not as well-known
He still gets high in popularity polls and has been kind of a staple of Nickelodeon games since Attack of the Toy Bots.
And to add onto this list there's also Dudly, Kitty (For those who consider her a main character) Henry and June, Otto, Otis, Sanjay and Craig, Harvey Beaks, Miko, Five, And for those who consider spin offs, Sheen and Ronnie Anne.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the 3rd one
please no, just do a second year of NASB2 DLC in 2025
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not that Anon but lets be real here, if it doesn't sell enough to get a second season and/or if it drops like the first one they will just cut all future DLC plans and put them in a sequel a year later, just like what they're doing now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I duno. The "sell well enough" argument is legit harder to calculate, when whatever is well enough for Greenmile to green light a sequel, equals whatever the Karting games sell. So, considering this game is getting actual free marketing from people like us just speculating about it, I think it would "sell well enough" once again. Now then, the devs did rebuild the would thing from scratch, and are making a lot of changes from the original, so roster aside, it does looks like a proper sequel rather than just an update. Going from an actual "season pass" instead of just three random DLC from last time, also seems to indicate that, at least the devs, hope to be able to build from here, instead of just jumping to the next game on year. I don't think even Greenmile is used to have games with actual demand for more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's a few thing i wanna point out. >So, considering this game is getting actual free marketing from people like us just speculating about it,
Oh boy here we go...
Anon, through these entire threads people have been shitting on the game, more than usual, and those who kept the hype going in these threads aren't here anymore, no drawgays, no avatargays, nothing.
Most of the discussion seen in these threads are people complaining about the roster and people defending the roster.
You know what Smash discussion was like after Byleth got announced? It's like that but with the ire being directed towards more characters, there are less people defending them and all around there's just less people involved even compared to the first game.
And this is just on Cinemaphile, not even Twitter is as hyped as the day after the first dropped Multiversus started trending overshadowing it.
And even on YouTube the hype isn't as much as the first game. The first trailer for the first game got over a million views in just 24 hours. The first trailer for the second game hasn't gotten to 75% of that amount of views and it's been 10 days.
Even in the competitive scene big names such as Maximilian Dood were so burned by the first game that they aren't talking about the sequel. The only big name in the competitive community talking about it is HBox and he's not even well liked within the platform fighter community for starting the Smash killer meme.
You say it's free marketing but realistically how can it be considered marketing if the majority of the word of mouth is negative to none? >I think it would "sell well enough" once again.
Including everything i just said there's also the fact that the game is releasing in the same week as six other games that are bigger than NASB.
NASB1 only had to go up against one game, Metroid Dread, a Switch exclusive so NASB had more of a chance on other systems as well.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Now then, the devs did rebuild the would thing from scratch
This honestly might hurt the roster in terms of moveset leading to even more bad reputations.
This is because the devs could hardly handle making 22 characters at the same time during NASB1's development, to the point that two had to be cut at release.
Having to work on even more characters at the same time, well, i'm not sure if they can handle it.
Not to mention how they also have to work on all the single player content on top of that. >I don't think even Greenmile is used to have games with actual demand for more.
Like i said before, that demand is shrinking with the game not getting as much hype as the first. The novelty of a Nickelodeon fighting game has worn off and it doesn't have the benefit of being at the right place at the right time anymore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The novelty of a Nickelodeon fighting game has worn off and it doesn't have the benefit of being at the right place at the right time anymore.
It never had that advantage before. The first game came out when the hype for Smash Ultimate's DLC was still hot (literally at Sora's reveal), and Multiversus was on the horyzon, for free and better productions values. If anything, even if Smash is eternal, the "hype cycle" around it is finally cold down, and Multiversus went back to the vault. It may not be much, but timewise, this a better opening window, in regards it's actual competence, than before.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, I don't see the other games coming at the same time as this as big deal for the sales, at all. Sure, they will sell far better that's not even a question, but Is not even the fact that they are different genres, or the fact that two are console exclusives. The REAL target audience of any Nickelodeon game, is parents looking for cheap games for their kids (even know, this is not a full price game, compared to Spiderman, Mario or Sonic). Like, the whole meme of "are they stupid for releasing the game on this date" amount to very little. Whatever sale goals Greenmile may have, unless the get way over their heads compared to previous license games of theirs, they will meet them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Would parents rather buy their kids a cash grab or the hot new Mario game?
Mario is bigger than NASB and the price means nothing when the kids beg their parents for the new Mario.
Parents are willing to spend more money on a game if it's what their kids want, and kids are more drawn to Mario games than any license game there is.
>The novelty of a Nickelodeon fighting game has worn off and it doesn't have the benefit of being at the right place at the right time anymore.
It never had that advantage before. The first game came out when the hype for Smash Ultimate's DLC was still hot (literally at Sora's reveal), and Multiversus was on the horyzon, for free and better productions values. If anything, even if Smash is eternal, the "hype cycle" around it is finally cold down, and Multiversus went back to the vault. It may not be much, but timewise, this a better opening window, in regards it's actual competence, than before.
Yeah, all that Smash hype is what i'm talking about. The game was riding the waves of the Smash hype. Without it it doesn't have the hype that it once had.
All I know is Arnold's grandma better get a boarding house rooftop stage with balloons and an instrumental of Don't Look Away, Look Up playing. Are they actually getting real music from the shows this time?
One day you'll be over 30 and have to watch everyone you've known since childhood become undeniably old and start dropping off one by one. All this world will do is start taking from you, taking more, and more still. You'll eventually lose everyone, then everything, and then it'll take you.
>Mistakes
Nah, he became a Pan Pizza wannabe where he shills everything and apologizes for everything bad he ever said so he doesn't get blacklisted or shat on, he went from shitting on Cars 2 and Turning Red to defending them and apologizing for saying they were bad, at least Nostalgia Critic has the balls to shit on cartoons and stand by that opinion regardless of what people tell him
Having 2003 and 2012 TMNT alongside the 80s wouldn't even be as out of place or weird as 80s fans try to make it out to be due to there being a whole turtles multiverse and the 80s have interacted with 2003 and 2012.
Ironically enough both of those crossovers go out of their way to show just how weak the 80s universe is compared to the 2003 and 2012 universes.
Having 2003 and 2012 TMNT alongside the 80s wouldn't even be as out of place or weird as 80s fans try to make it out to be due to there being a whole turtles multiverse and the 80s have interacted with 2003 and 2012.
Ironically enough both of those crossovers go out of their way to show just how weak the 80s universe is compared to the 2003 and 2012 universes.
Not that Anon but the 80s is overused at this point.
Like it or not the 80s TMNT are the most popular around the world (Japan is a great example of that) and their toys sell the best, that's why Nick keeps shitting out toys based on the 80s Turtles to this day, plus some countries only dubbed/aired this version of the show and the Koonami TMNT games got a re-release last year plus that recent beat em up based in the 80s cartoon
>Like it or not the 80s TMNT are the most popular around the world (Japan is a great example of that)
Japan likes TMNT in general, not just the 80s. Seriously, the amount of fanart the 2012 version gets from Japanese fans is the most out of any other version. >and their toys sell the best
By default due to those being the only TMNT toys being sold, along with Mutant Mayhem at the moment.
I know you'll say "But then why doesn't Nick sell 2003/2012 toys" and my response to that is the same response to this. >that's why Nick keeps shitting out toys based on the 80s Turtles to this day,
This is because every studio in Hollywood is nostalgia baiting hard, Nickelodeon and Paramount as a whole going in on the nostalgia pandering arguably the hardest.
2003, 2012 and Rise don't have the same nostalgia factor yet but give it some more years and we'll start to see nostalgia pandering for them as well. >plus some countries only dubbed/aired this version of the show
I'm going to need a source on that.
Also, assuming this is true, "some" means a minority so i wanna know just how much of a minority that is. >and the Koonami TMNT games got a re-release last year plus that recent beat em up based in the 80s cartoon
Shredder's Revenge was made to be a homage to the Konami games and the Konami games got rereleased to ride off the success of Shredder's Revenge.
Also Shredder's Revenge is getting content from 2003, 2012, etc.
Vendetta! Vendetta! Vendetta!
Give it up, autists
Look you posted Vendetta on Cinemaphile for over a year now, the devs already said they can't use characters unless their show aired worldwide and while even the more obscure picks like El Tigre and Teenage Robot aired overseas, Making Fiends only ever aired in Nicktoons (not even Nick) USA and nowhere else and even then it only aired for a month
Never.
>Spongebob comes up to Plankton's midsection
Is that how they handle giant characters?
Game looks a lot better than the first one. Cautiously optimistic here.
Seems to be a do over of the first one with stuff that should've been in that one. People who bought that one got ripped off like people that bought MvC3 on launch day.
I mean vanilla MvC3 was still pretty good. In fact I would go so far as to claim it was better than sex with two women at the same time.
Get off Cinemaphile Woolie
I disagree
I bought the first one because it looked fun (and certainly was for a few months) but also because I respected more players entering the platform fighting space.
The money I spent on the first one went on to enrich the genre and allowed this second, better game to get made.
Good investment if you ask me.
Kys shill. Imagine paying for licensed shovelware.
I had money
I paid money
I had some fun nights with my friends
Isn't that what it's all about?
>Anon spent some money, had a good time, and is happy his purchase helped fund an improved game
>"kys shill REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Most of the newcomers should have been in the first game as well.
I want my money back...
Wake me up when my girl gets confirmed
some said there will be not cut
we saw her in gameplay footage
where
She was in the first trailer but it was footage from the first game so who knows
Anyone has any idea when its going to be the next reveal?
They have to start pumping them and their showcases out asap since the game comes out in october.
>another rushed piece of shit
This is why Nintendo keeps winning
>Smash clone get's shat out with zero voice acting on launch
>People buy it and play it as a joke
>Sequel get's made
Is the power of contrarianism? Just autistically throw money into something because it's NOT popular thing?
You're forgetting that the bar is a lot lower for them. This isn't supposed to be the next Smash. As long as they turn a profit of 5 cents, it's a win for them.
You forgot that people dropped it a few weeks after release then jumped to another Smash clone.
I guess this confirms the leak.
Think the beavers will be like an Ice Climbers situation?
Easy skinswap a la Bowser Jr and the Koopalings.
I feel like they would play like catdog
Cinemaphile talks shit about us everytime they discuss Nick Brawl and calls us the worst board
there’s a reason why they’re called Cinemaphileirgins
They are right
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Bitch.
>zoomer copypasta
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correct. Cinemaphile's been boring since 2016. because most Cinemaphile-related media's been goddamn boring since 2016.
>2016
that's being generous
(that's also when the election-tourists flooded in everywhere)
I was gonna say /x/ is obviously worse, but even they have the UFO shit going on
no they don't, they don't even care about us at all.
you keep bringing up Cinemaphile like how Canadians and British people tend to talk about Americas all while American, meanwhile, only cares about stuff like football.
America is too concerned with which country they can - legally - invade and massacre. Right now they're pissed about being unable to go guns blazing into Ukraine to shoot their arch-nemesis.
I have a roommate who browses Cinemaphile and /vg/ while I browse Cinemaphile. He calls Cinemaphile a shithole all the time and keeps going back to it like some kind of addiction because he wants to talk about video games without actually joining a message board or subreddit or something like that. He hates that all the Cinemaphile threads are template threads or stealth porn threads.
One day, he leaned over my shoulder and saw me browsing a TMNT Mutant Mayhem thread here. People were talking in lengthy discussion about Nick's repeated failings with the franchise and how they keep rebooting it with the series exchanging multiple CEO hands. He went, "What the frick, this thread is legible. No wonder you don't hate Cinemaphile like I do".
We still have template, /misc/-bait, and cheesecake threads, but you're lying if you think this board is as unusable as Cinemaphile or even Cinemaphile. I can make a thread about Venture Brothers or the scrapped Sly Cooper movie and get actual responses. Not every Cinemaphile product gets that luxury (Steven Universe, The Owl House, etc), but I'd take 50% over 0%. I like anonymous posting, it's miles better than Reddit or Tumblr or Discord or whatever.
>He calls Cinemaphile a shithole all the time and keeps going back to it like some kind of addiction because he wants to talk about video games without actually joining a message board or subreddit or something like that.
Therein lies the rub. Even if you decide to bite the bullet and create an account on a place like that, discussion is so slow paced and involved so fewer people that it doesn't really feel like you're doing anything anymore. Cinemaphile is instant gratification and has no short supply of participants. We're spoiled. We've been spoiled for ages. We can't go back to the way things were, not unless every single one of us does, in order for forums to make a comeback and have sustainable populations. And even then, it'd still be too slow to be satisfying.
/co/'s problem is that comics and cartoons themselves have been mostly dogshit for over a decade. When the board was well regarded we talked about well-written cartoons like the DCAU, Gargoyles, Beast Wars, Reboot, The Spectacular Spider-Man, and Avatar, and Avatar, and Avatar, and Avatar some more. What is there to discuss now? What is there to get excited about? There's pretty much nothing, all the time, so all we get are live-action capeshit threads, outrage bait, Twitter screencaps for both, and cheesecake.
We haven't even pretended to talk about comics for years, but they've been flushed down so many drains they're in some kind of toilet for toilets now. The captchas killing storytimes didn't help that.
Do you want to keep whining or don't you have anything smart to say so you're bothering us here?
I don't care.
Cinemaphile is a shithole, its like trying to look for a reasonable conversation in a run down building occupie by insane hobos, people pretending to be insane hobos and morons screaming and pissing on you because they heard you can just come over and do that with no consequences.
I guess it makes sense that Plankton would need to be in a mecha to be playable given how being small is an inherent part of his character.
I hope that one of his voice lines is I WENT TO COLLEGE.
Plankton was playable in "Light, Camera, Pants" where he is also in a robot
Good, that means EL Tigre is in, I hope we get one of the show's villains as DLC
El Oso mogs every other villain in the show, he is the most recurring one showing up in 19 episodes while others like Black Cuervo only showed up in 9 episodes and even Sartana who is the main antagonist only showed up in 11 episodes, he also had the same voice as Bender from Futurama which is funny
I love all of the characters in El Tigre. If I had to guess which character they'd pick for DLC I'd go with Cuervo or Frida.
In the LatAm dub Cuervo had 3 different VAs but her main one (the one who voiced her in most episodes) was the same VA who voiced Hazuki in the LatAm Doremi dub, she even used the exact same voice and didn't even try to change it one bit and I found that funny, hearing this cute voice talking about stealing shit and getting "Vendetta" on others was fun, I can't help but picture Hazuki trying to act like a bad girl
>Ojamajo Doremi's English dub was supposed to be on Nickelodeon at first
>we would have Doremi had eligible for this game
ffs
>My boy's in
Aw yeah.
Frick, someone like Doremi could be a massive marketing boost for the game, a legit never-ever and unexpected guest even for a game like this.
The devs are probably lurking this site, make your voice heard.
They could use 31 Minutos characters, that show aired in Nick LatAm and is really popular amongst hispanics to this day
How hard would the legal negotiations be to get him in?
Not much, the 31 Minutos crew is very lax when it comes to copyright, they need money in fact since after the show was cancelled they do nothing but live shows because in the creators own words "The last season was so bad it killed the show permanently"
Someone needs to send the Ludosity team down there to get Juan
Bobby will save this game's Season Pass!
>blocks your path
DROP, b***h
No.
Lola is getting in. Deal with it.
Not on my watch
Lolafriend, please go back to /trash/ and I'm gonna explain. And then I'm gonna sleep.
She cute
Bird, go! (Lie)
Nice legs
I feel like the best course of action would be just El Tigre, White Pantera, and Puma Loco.
anyone other than sartana, and maybe el oso, is a questionable inclusion.
yes, even early 2000s baby's first goth crush
Black Cuervo was playable in that shitty PS2 El Tigre game
Nice
>Ember instead of Desiree
That sucks, I bet Desiree's massive cleavage scared them
She cute
im sure it was, and not enough 19 year old girls posted online saying they were their lesbian awakening to get included
I find it weird that they're going with classic TMNT for all the Turtles
There's 4 major TMNT incarnations so why not have one from each
I keep seeing this brought up in these threads and I don't like the idea. Maybe alts from different incarnations but having none of the base character models match wouldn't look good
But isn't a complaint people have with the turtles in the game is that they look too much alike?
Anon isn't questioning why there's four turtles, he questioning why all of them are 80s with no content from the other three shows.
Because the 80s ones are the most popular version.
No they're the ones with the most nostalgia.
There's a lot of TMNT fans who prefer the 2003 and 2012 versions more, especially with younger generations.
Don't use that excuse when every version is popular in it's own right. The only exception being Rise but even then it still as its dedicated fanbase.
Also using popularity to justify it is a false narrative due to the fact that that's not the reason why the 80s are used. The 80s are used because the devs are old and prefer their own childhood. That is the official reason given, not popularity. So stop using that as an excuse as if it's what the devs said. They didn't say that, your assumptions contradict official statements.
>2012 stopped getting merch in 2018
>2003 stopped getting merch years ago
>rise stopped getting merch in 2019
>only version to get merch consistently is the 80s turtles
>wHy Do ThEy UsE tHe 80s TuRtLeS?
Yes the devs have a bias, but the kart racer also switched to the 80s turtles when they had models already made for the 2012 turtles, nick mandate says no more 2012 only 80s and rise stop with this bullshit "oh the devs only care about the 80s turtles." Its 80s or nothing
The devs outright said that Nickelodeon wanted 2012 but the devs fought for 80s.
This "mandate" is a narrative you pulled right out of your ass.
There's also still TMNT toys being sold that aren't the 80s, such as this Mikey toy.
And the only two reasons why there's too much 80s is because everyone working in the entertainment industry are 80s kids and Nickelodeon, along with Hollywood as a whole, are resorting to nostalgia baiting, a strategy that's slowly but surly backfiring on them.
And if's really 80s or nothing then tell me why the recent movie isn't based on the 80s.
And if the 80s version really is so popular, then one 80s turtles should be enough.
What's the problem with having all four shows in the game?
Seriously, i'm not saying to replace the 80s, i'm saying that all four should be treated equally.
the problem is their is FIVE shows you fricking moron
80s
2003
2012
rise
and tales of the tmnt coming out next year
thats based off the toys made for the 80s show you mother fricking moron, notice how NOTHING latetly uses the 2012 series designs and moved back to the 80s design, don't be a fricking moron. Also NASB 1 was made around the same time as kart racer 1, and hmmm it seems that that game had the 2012 turtles, but then they switched to the 80s turtles by the time kart racer 3 came out for no reason whatsoever. If Nick is focusing on the new tmnt series and the 80s turtles which they are, they fazed out the 2012 series in all forms of merchandise and promotion.
>There's also still TMNT toys being sold that aren't the 80s, such as this Mikey toy.
That is literally an updated version of the 80s toy.
It's a different design that doesn't use the 80s to market it.
the sculpt is litterally what if the 80s toys had a budget and weren't just heman knock offs
Then why are their heads more like the comics and not the heads of the 80s cartoon?
Well dumbass we're clearly not talking about five shows since the fith has yet to come out.
Not only that but what you said raises the question of, why not use content from all five versions? Especially the hot new latest version.
Also you're ignoring the fact that Nick wanted 2012 turtles to fit your narrative, as if Nick wanted the 80s TMNT.
It's not Nick's choice, blame Ludosity for being biased towards their own childhoods and GameMill for being lazy enough to reuse models they were already working with at the same time as Nick Kart 3's development instead of updating Nick Kart 2 models.
I should also add that the 80s TMNT are the least popular characters in the game.
Go look at the character spotlights on GameMill's YouTube channels and see how low the views are on Leo and Mikey's spotlights, especially compared to the spotlights of the 2000s characters such as Danny and Aang.
The only exceptions to this are the characters whos spotlights were first shown on other channels such as IGN as exclusive video deals.
Oh and don't try to refute this with any of that competitive tournament stuff because as we all should know by now the competitive players are the minority.
>Then why are their heads more like the comics and not the heads of the 80s cartoon?
Because the toys were made for the 87 cartoon.
https://www.tmnttoys.com/88figures/series1.html
They had Bebop and Rocksteady in the first wave.
Ya know, the characters made for the cartoon.
They even made cartoon-accurate turtles for a wave.
OK, i will admit that you're right on this one.
But now i must put blame on Nick for not seeing the merchandising potential of 2003 and 2012 characters for example.
"But the 80s sell more". Well then maybe Nick should start propping up the TMNT franchise as a whole instead of just the 80s. Like i said it has potential, 2003 and 2012 characters like Karai and Tigre Claw would certainly sell toys, Nick just needs to market their stuff instead of relying on nostalgia all the time.
But who am i kidding, Nick has been relying on nostalgia for years now and they have gone to the point where it's devaluing their IPs ever since the SpongeBob spin offs.
Is it fair to blame Nickelodeon for crappy marketing and failing to profit off of their own creations?
It is literally the same look with more joints.
I own the 80s toy.
I own this one.
They use the TMNT 87 logo and use the 80s toy bios in the back. It's designed to be the 80s toy with articulation. It's the 80s.
That's the Mirage comic, even the 80's kids don't care about the comics, it's cowabunga or bust.
Funny how 80s kids hate on 2003, 2012 and Rise fans for disrespecting the "original" yet it's the 80s fans who disrespect the true original comics the most.
>what are Things That Nobody Actually Believes?
They did Leo and Mikey in the first game, but declined to bring in Donnie and Raph. This one is just well-deserved closure.
Because Nickelodeon themselves didn't want that shit and they'd look terrible from how hard their designs clash. Not only that, TMNT isn't a knockoff Zelda so it shouldn't be treated like it.
Not that Anon but.
>Because Nickelodeon themselves didn't want that shit
They wanted 2012 so why not meet in the middle and have multiple versions.
>and they'd look terrible from how hard their designs clash.
Now this is just the most subjective thing you can bring up in this situation.
We had both 2003 and 2012 crossover with 80s and they looked fine together.
>Not only that, TMNT isn't a knockoff Zelda so it shouldn't be treated like it.
Nobody said it is. It'd just be great for the franchise as a whole to get acknowledgement in the game instead of just one series.
In fact since you brought it up, this also goes to show how bad at portraying franchises the devs are compared to the Smash devs.
Smash actually cares about franchises as a whole and brings in content from multiple versions of a franchise.
NASB on the other hand lets their own personal biases get in the way of doing justice to a franchise as a whole.
How can you expect the NASB devs to be as respected as Smash devs if they go out of their way snub fans of other series in the franchise?
>Meet in the middle
Nickelodeon doesn't want the Zelda approach.
>They looked fine together
Not really. And they only looked fine because all four turtles were brought in from each serious. Not just one Turtle from each era.
>It'd just be great for the franchise as a whole
Then make alts. That's the best and easier solution than shoehorning 4 different models and movesets.
>How can you expect the NASB devs to be as respected
That's your first problem. Expecting a bunch of indie devs to be as worshipped as Sakurai is fricking delusional. And Smash "actually caring" is debunked by the numerous half assed implementations and Smash does not represent everything either.
>Nickelodeon doesn't want the Zelda approach.
You're pulling this out of your ass. There's no proof of this.
>Not really. And they only looked fine because all four turtles were brought in from each serious. Not just one Turtle from each era.
Like i said this is very subjective.
>Then make alts. That's the best and easier solution than shoehorning 4 different models
What are you talking about? Making them costumes would just mean they'd have to make four different models for each turtle, twelve different models if they make costumes based on all three of the other versions.
>and movesets.
Now this doesn't make any sense. All four turtles have different movesets despite all being 80s. What do could you possibly mean by this? Are you implying that somehow all the turtles are clones of each other?
>That's your first problem. Expecting a bunch of indie devs to be as worshipped as Sakurai is fricking delusional.
Hold on here, i didn't say worshipped, i said respected. And i didn't even said that that's what i expected, i said it in that way because i assumed that's what you want for them. Apologies for being wrong on that.
>And Smash "actually caring" is debunked by the numerous half assed implementations and Smash does not represent everything either.
You do know that this goes double for NASB, right?
That confirmation has been around a lot, moron. Nickelodeon forces mandates and specific approaches and it's been said before that Nick doesn't want a half measured Zelda approach.
>This is very subjective
Worthless point since your entire point and preference is just as subjective.
>Making them costumes would mean they'd have to make four different models
No they don't. Just change the colors and add a few small details to acknowledge them.
>All four turtles have different movesets despite being 80s
Their movesets are more mundane and simple than Rise and 2012's crazy shit. Taking from Rise and 2012 requires a significant amount of animation and ideas that aren't feasible. While Leonardo, Mikey, and now Raph are getting basic kicks and shell attacks.
>You do know that this goes double for NASB, right?
This is very subjective. Irrelevant point.
>That confirmation has been around a lot, moron. Nickelodeon forces mandates and specific approaches and it's been said before that Nick doesn't want a half measured Zelda approach.
If this is true then prove it. Give a source where this is stated.
>Worthless point since your entire point and preference is just as subjective.
Even in these threads there has been more people wanting content from more than just the 80s series than there has been people gate keeping everything that's not the 80s.
>No they don't. Just change the colors and add a few small details to acknowledge them.
You do know that this would be half assing it right? You pointing out how half assed Smash can be as a point against it yet you want NASB to be half assed?
>Their movesets are more mundane and simple than Rise and 2012's crazy shit. Taking from Rise and 2012 requires a significant amount of animation and ideas that aren't feasible. While Leonardo, Mikey, and now Raph are getting basic kicks and shell attacks.
When it comes to Rise, yeah it's some crazy shit but for the most part it's mostly just gimmicks added onto what other versions can do.
As for 2012, they aren't as crazy as you're making them out to be. They're pretty much on the same level as 2003.
>This is very subjective. Irrelevant point.
Then why did you bring that up as a point against Smash?
Why is it that it's relevant when you use such a point against Smash yet you deem it as "very subjective" when i use the exact same point against NASB?
Ok! Nickelodeon LITERALLY required series to be uniformed. They don't like forced half measures. Here's the screenshot.
>Even in these threads there has been more people wanting content from more than just the 80s series than there has been people gate keeping everything that's not the 80s.
There's a difference between gatekeeping and focusing on the more popular shit. The majority don't mind the 80s characters and depictions.
>You do know that this would be half assing it
Rise doesn't fit the 80s model and skeleton. And having the 80s turtles dress up and resemble other versions would be neat. Not even Smash did that with Link or Zelda.
>When it comes to Rise, yeah it's some crazy shit but for the most part it's mostly just gimmicks added onto what other versions can do.
And those gimmicks have to be apart of the moveset along with a noticeably different fighting style. Also, not
>Then why you bring that up as a point against Smash
You're the one that brought up Smash. Your idea of half assing and it "going double" is subjective and outright false when comparing fan reception. Nickelodeon fans are more content with the movesets and rep than Smash fans are with their rep. At least NASB gives an honest shake at repping the character's core abilities and more + franchise stuff. Sonic's moveset and representation is a fricking travesty and less said about Ganondorf the better. Wario is reduced to a gross fart machine than a bulky powerhouse. Wario fans have constantly complained about the lack of genuine Warioland rep. The OG reps from 64 barely delve into their modern games and abilities. There's a lot more you can nitpick.
Why not just have all the different eras be the different alts/skins
am I delusional for wating more of a Nickelodeon history celebration rather than memes?
Yes, because some of those are random Canadian shows that Nick happened to air.
which ones?
I know Wayside is Canadian.
Just wanted to point out that You Can't Do That On TV, the show that created Nickelodeon's iconic green slime, is also a Canadian show Nick decided to air.
Just wanted to share this fun fact.
Wayside, Are You Afraid of the Dark, and Mr Meaty. Although the Are You Afraid of the Dark revival was made by Paramount for Nick.
Aside from the fact that Live-action characters are off the table, how would Amanda have any connections to Pinwheel as her home stage?
Penelope is looking for Amanda and gets lost in the 70's Pinwheel set.
man i WISH wayne got any recognition from nick
I just want Inspector Gadget and David the Gnome.
You're not wrong.
The roster if very focused on memes and the 90s.
Seriously, 2 Hey Arnold newcomers while Avatar only gets 1? And it's not even the most popular Avatar character.
Hey Arnold had only one character in the original game, assuming that all characters are returning.
That doesn't justify it getting two newcomers, especially when other shows such as Invader Zim and MLAATR still only have one character.
One character yet.
And what will you say in the likely scenario that they don't even get a second character as DLC?
I doubt that I will remember this series of messages that far in the future. Maybe I'll apologize now for the devs not adding Vexus or Skoodge.
And if i'm wrong then i also apologies.
No joke, a Wayside stage would be pretty sick.
if they could somehow manage to make it a long vertical scrolling stage that would be sick, you'd have to keep climbing up and avoid getting caught at the bottom of the screen, something like vertical space madness/traffic jam
Good Burger stage would be kino
no live action characters please
>arnold's grandmother instead of arnold
what the frick are they thinking?
they're thinking "let's piss people off and save Arnold for the third one"
They did the right choice
Gerald is the truly questionable pick. Anyone who actually watched the shows knows Gertie is the only character that makes full sense on a fighting game. But having her, Helga and Gerald all over Arnold, is pushing the limit. Helga, is not even an argument that is as much of a protagonist as Arnild is. But Gerald has no business replacing Arnild either a main character nor joke character, so he is spoiling the impact that Gertie would had on her own, by just making the lack of Arbold more jarring.
The problem with Arnold's grandma isn't that she doesn't fit as a fighter, it's that she doesn't fit in a roster filled with the Nickelodeon greats.
Who looks at Nickelodeon and thinks "That grandma from Hey Arnold is one of the best characters they have every made"?
Thing is, if she was with Arnold or even just Helga, it wouldnt be so bad. Like, we got the "main rep + a conplement that makes sense", I fully stand by that, she may not have the meme power of Hugh or Nigel, but as a second rep, she could get a pass. But then we got Gerald replacing Arnold, and now she only feels like they are pushing it. Like, for real having just Helga and Gerald, would be controversial on its own, Gerald is just not a good replacement, as he could had been a second skin in all honestly. But Gerald + Gertie just bring all the wrong attention, as two characters replacing Arnold and failing at that. I could buy the excuse of Arnold being a pacifist and all that. But giving his show three reps, when most only get one, isnt making up for that, it just makes is absence more obvious.
I think Gertie is the "WTF pick" but really, if the developers really a "WTF" pick, it should have been from a series that has not be represented yet or "something else entirely"
MY truly WTF pick would have been a Nick Jr. rep; either Dora, Blue.
or for extra "WTF" points, this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NpNOan9mvI
or any character from a ancient but iconic bumper.
That won't happen since the roster was already leaked and I'm sure the DLCs (if there's any) would be more characters from the shows that already got in, but if You want a really obscure pick they can use the monsters from the lost 1989 Nick cartoon pilot "Big Beast Quintet"
>and I'm sure the DLCs (if there's any)
A season pass has been advertised as soon as the game was announced.
>if the developers really a "WTF" pick, it should have been from a series that has not be represented yet or "something else entirely"
This, especially when it comes to the late 2000s and 2010 Nicktoons.
The main characters for the 2010 Nicktoons aren't well liked but the side characters have more fans.
They used side characters for Wild Thornberrys, Real Monsters and Hey Arnold so why not do the same with Nick shows with more liked side characters such as Sanjay & Craig, Breadwinners and Fanboy and ChumChum.
Those shows fricking suck, that's why and are way less successful. Imagine getting pissed that they prioritized the more successful Hey Arnold over Breadwinners lmao. Cope harder.
No frick that, you have it completely backwards. Gerald is perfectly fine as a pick, he's Arnold's right hand man ffs. Meanwhile Gertie's just the meme pick chosen for shock value rather than anything she can actually bring to the table, and in a game that also has shit like Nigel and Hugh, she's more irritating than novel.
Gerald wouldnt had made for a good rep on his own. It would be like having Heffer but not Rocko. Helga, once again, would work and did just that. But Helga and Gerald together just make the lack of Arnold more obvious. Is not "so random it works", its just weird. Gerald feels and looks exactly what he is, a replacement. And he will feel as such even without Gertie, and be a lot worse without Helga.
What part of Arnold is a pacifist do you people not understand? The fricking first episode is about him avoiding fighting by pretending to be crazy. There's an episode where he takes up karate and becomes impulsive, inconsiderate, and the opposite of his usual self before coming to his senses and swearing off of it. Do you want Bus Stop Violence Karate Arnold as a fighter at the expense of anything else to do with the series?
Anyone with fricking taste does. Arnold's grandparents were one of the highlights of the series.
The "Arnold is a pacifist" logic is fricking moronic because hardly anyone in this game is even fighting to begin with. The characters are just throwing out references that just so happens to do damage, to even call that violence is laughable.
Also Spongebob, Lincoln, and Rocko are just as unwilling to fight in the majority of situations they're in, but that doesn't stop any of them being included. It's moronic logic for a game littered with moronic decisions.
The other characters are from zany slapstick cartoons where the protagonists not being aggressive or combative people doesn't preclude them from finding themselves in physically comedic situations that easily translate to goofy cartoon movesets. Hey Arnold is more down to earth and his particularly highlighted nature would make him throwing Abner at people or wedging the corners of his head into someone's butthole feel off.
I mean, the elephant in the room is they added Gerald because there aren't a lot of outwardly black characters they could throw in for diversity's sake. They didn't add Ember because of her mass shooting association, they wanted another girl.
>The other characters are from zany slapstick cartoons where the protagonists not being aggressive or combative people doesn't preclude them from finding themselves in physically comedic situations that easily translate to goofy cartoon movesets.
Nigel isn't either, yet they still managed to pull a moveset out of their ass for him. It's just weak logic no matter how you try and spin it.
Nigel is a gigantic meme who is only on the roster because of the precipitating consequences of someone here having a nightmare about his nipples once and posting about it. Arnold isn't joke character material, there's no context for him suddenly doing wacky shit for the sake of it.
But therin lies the rub, this game only cares about being """accurate""" to the source material when it's convenient. If there was a meme around Arnold then you'd bet your ass they'd plaster him into the game as well, because cynically cashing in on internet trends is the primary purpose of this game's existence, not actually being a celebration of Nick's history.
You're not wrong, I just understand excluding Arnold, it's the faithful thing to do. If he had a meme and they threw him in to reference it, I'd be posting about how he has no business being a fighter.
I'm not against not having Arnold but who says he has to do wacky shit to fight?
>I mean, the elephant in the room is they added Gerald because there aren't a lot of outwardly black characters they could throw in for diversity's sake. They didn't add Ember because of her mass shooting association, they wanted another girl.
Ignoring the fact that adding characters only based on a diversity quota is stupid.
They could add Valerie as a WTF black female character and also Vexus for another female villain.
Honestly at this point i'm convinced that the devs never watched MLaaTR or Danny Phantom.
Not that Anon but SpongeBob is a karate master in his own right and isn't afraid to go up against anyone who's doing any evil around him such as Plankton and even Manray.
And Lincoln is a kid of action and high energy always getting up to shenanigans.
I get why Arnold is not in. I mau not care for the explanation, but I could respect it. But the devs are overcompensating for it. Helga on her own was just fine as a rep. Now, we have three reps over the name sake of the show and whatever logic there may be, it just feels wrong, when we could had reps fron other shows instead. Like, Gerald will just be "totally not arnold" while we could have had Heffer, Ickis, Vexus, Robosnail, any Tigre Hero, Villain or even Frida for a "nornal child rep". Hell, even Clyde from Loud House, may had some complains, and be just as boring, but wouldnt feel so jarring.
I'd switch out Gerald with Zuko.
How is it that Hey Arnold gets two newcomers but not Avatar?
But Arnold's grandparents are far from the first characters to come to mind when thinking about the Nicktoons.
Souless
>ember is basically confirmed
>azula being confirmed pretty much means zuko is most likely deconfirmed
Props to the dev team for making Zim look good in 3D.
the power of soul is at hand, zimbros
This is probably the best he's ever looked in 3D. I'm pretty harsh on people who take this art style out of its intended context, but this ain't half bad.
I kind of wish Zim was more technology-oriented than he is. He's never once used a raygun in the series. He only used giant robots twice, once in a flashback. He never tried to build a robot army, and when he finally got one in Florpus, they were hijacked Membrane robots. I guess this would all make him seem too serious in his mission.
Actually people have noticed that Zim's laser attack comes from the DS game Nicktoons Globs of Doom.
He also uses lasers in a flashback in the Tak episode.
Although other than that, yeah, i agree. Most of the 2000s characters feel off. They don't feel like they're the characters we know and love and the devs just do the bare minimum of research for them like with Danny and Jenny.
Zim has used lasers, just not laser guns. They tend to come out of his spider legs.
I guess i forgot that part of his moveset.
I guess it's because the devs gave him Irken weapons that Irken soldiers use such as the spear... but those are weapons Zim himself never used. The Tallest gave him shitty equipment to not only mess with him but also increase the chances of his death.
I'm honestly just glad Zim mostly escaped from the "random thing that happened in the show once" moves. I get it for characters like Lincoln who don't fight, but it's annoying when characters like Toph, who have an actual combat-oriented fighting style, hold up the champion belt over and over as an attack.
The zap stick irks me. It's a stupid nitpick to have, but that tool very much isn't "standard Invader issue." It's specifically used by the bulky Irken slave driver caste to quell uprisings. That was the one inappropriate and random pull for Zim.
I also have issues with Mini Moose.
Not that Zim uses him, but how he's utilized.
I'm sure they could have done more with Mini Moose than just have Zim use him as a weapon.
Yeah, probably. You have to remember he doesn't really do anything in the one finished episode he was in, though. Still kind of lazy.
I'm not sure if this was from an interview or a rumor but I heard they changed Mini Moose to be Zim's super instead of just a strong aerial
Same goes for Jenny. All of her moves only come from her very first episode. They didn't even bother to watch more then the first episode.
Because of Jenny's do anything robot nature, it seems you could easily go insane with her, so sticking to just the first episode is okay instead of having her turn into a bulldozer, giant electric thing that goes zap, or hook up to a water hydrant and let loose a torrent of water. Copying the emotional state she was in as well makes her feel like she's mood swinging though.
Only going with the first episode is just lazy and proves just how little care and passion went into the character.
>Copying the emotional state she was in as well makes her feel like she's mood swinging though.
Finally someone understands.
I brought this up on Cinemaphile but the same guy just always starts throwing a fit and damage controlling any slightly negative thing said about how the devs handled the characters.
You call any sort of disagreement "damage controlling". You're the moron blowing shit out of proportion to push a narrative.
Mother fricker you do not know the amount of overly sensitive shill posting the guy in question gets up to whenever he disagrees with someone.
I want Rudy and Snap. I imagine they would play like Pokemon Trainer mixed with Ice Climbers.
Possible 3rd party inclusions
>Doug
>Skipper
>Po
>Rabbids
>Juan
>Tintin
>Rabbids
Why stop at only Rabbids when Rayman's in the next M+R dlc?
I know people want DW characters and Power Rangers, but no way in hell that's fricking happening
and thank god.
>Doug
Nick still owns their seasons of Doug. They just couldn't use anything from the Disney seasons.
How fast will people drop the game this time fellas? One week? Two?
This doesn't feel like a game for Nick fans.
Feels like the game was made by Meleegays for themselves.
They know their audience. Trying to cater to people who may or may not play videogames is why Multiverses failed.
Even if the fanservice is minimal, if the gameplay is good lmao then I'd have no issue.
It's a Nickelodeon crossover game. The audience is Nick fans. Valuing the competitive community over the Nick community is a big reason why the last game dropped so hard.
A lot of Nick fans won't stay if the game caters to competitive players and a lot of competitive players won't stick around for the characters because they aren't Nick fans.
The overlap between the two is very small.
Also Multiversus got over 30 million players and is coming back next year. If Multiversus failed then that goes double for NASB.
Not to mention how Multiversus also tried to appeal to the competitive players as well.
Multiversus was also free.
Still wasn't a failure.
Oh please. The diehard competitive community is what gave NASB a boost in relevancy and potential it would've never had otherwise. It brought all sorts of sales and hype because the gameplay looked so good. The pandering did something right.
And they ended up dropping the game with no signs of coming back with only few exceptions.
Seriously, the game burned them so hard the only big name competitive player still invested in it is the same guy who started the Smash killer meme.
And the "diehard Nick fans" did the exact same thing. Because it doesn't matter what they could've done. The cheaper look and general nature of casual players means they would be turned away. There were more people from the competitive side of things that stuck with the game, an entire Grinders server and constant tourneys shows this (Frycook Fridays and NASB Jr Bracket).
Yeah because the game valued the competitive player over the Nick fans.
You do know that people can still be a die hard fan while still having standards, right?
You're fricking delusional if you believe that. Games that also pandered to Nick fans sold terribly or got ditched the exact same way. But keep lying to yourself and pretend that your preferences and opinion holds more value than others.
>While having standards, right?
So NASB by default wasn't going to appeal to those supposed diehards due to its lower budget. The animations and graphics were always going to be cheap. The gameplay is what allowed it a chance and the competitive diehards are what gave the game a second wind.
Oh, it's you again. Thought you finally gave up after the hype died but at least you stick to you guns no matter how shitty they are.
All of those old Nick games you brought up leaned more into single player experiences that can be played with friends locally that hardly got any marketing and weren't released world wide.
NASB leaned more into a more multiplayer approach with online and much more hype and marketing surrounding it compared to what all the older crossover games got.
Also "Second wind"? the game didn't get any "second wind" the competitive players dropped it harder because most of them aren't Nick fans.
The quality of a show shouldn't determine on if it should get a character or not, and i'm not pissed about that, i'm just rightfully pointing out the favoritism the devs have for the 90s.
I just brought that up as a simple ironic fact. You're the one taking that fact so seriously and being defensive about it.
>At least you stick to you guns no matter how shitty they are.
Pot kettle black. Your points are the most nitpicky rubbish ever. You're delusional and projecting your personal opinions over the facts.
>The competitive players dropped it harder
Objectively wrong. There's been a consistently active server with 1,000 people in it that praised and enjoyed NASB. Most casual players immediately disliked NASB from its mediocre presentation. By your logic, more hype should bring it more attention by the casual audience, which is what happened. But the competitive players gave the game more thought than the supposed diehards. The diehards don't stick with games, they play it once now and again then move on. Their playthroughs amount to visits and reminiscing. Pandering to your preferences wouldn't have magically given it an active playerbase, moron. They would one and done it the exact same way because there's other shit to play too.
>The quality of the show shouldn't determine
Except the quality shows are more popular and have more requested characters than the hated slop that you suggested.
>As a simple ironic fact.
There's nothing ironic or worthwhile about it. You just have a petty vendetta against the 80s series that you'll resort to the most random bullshit imaginable just to slander it. It's pathetic, no matter how hard you cope about it.
Multiversus died because they stopped updating the game for a month after it had just been released. Not only that, the game lacked content to keep people interested in it (Game still made bank in profits tho).
NASB 1 Failed because it looked worse than a launch title GameCube game. Not to mention the lack of voice acting, lack of single-player, and infinities (Mikey was practically unbeatable for the first two weeks).
NASB 2 seems to fix most of these issues. Also, of course, they are going to try to cater to competitive players. Platform fighter players are desperate for a good competitive alternative to Smash. It's just that every single attempt so far has kinda been either shit gameplay or ugly to look at (MVS was probably the closest tho).
The competitive scene is killing fighting games and is the reason why the platform fighting genre can never reach its full potential.
>They got the guy who started the "Smash killer" bullshit to present the gameplay
>no live action
ridiculous, they're going to be cartoon characters in the game anyway.
I wonder what each character's new special move will be
I don't care what any of you homosexuals say, Arnold's Grandma is the most based pick they could have gone for. Now if only we could get drake and josh.
The devs said they can't use live action characters
hence the 'if only'
Even if the devs were allowed to use live action characters, considering Drake now...yeah. That's not happening. Unfortunately. Damn it, Drake, you just had to touch a kid.
They'd just waste their live action character budget on dumb shit like Alex Mack.
Alex Mack and Shelby Woo > Drake and Josh
Alex Mack would just be another wacky 90s inclusion just so the devs can pander to their own bias and nostalgia.
I don't want any live action character, but don't act like Alex Mack would be any better.
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You'd have to be willfully ignorant to pretend 90's Nick wasn't where the network peaked. Nicktoons are from the 90's as a concept. Their biggest IP premiered in 1999. The highest quality cartoons from the 2000's are all already represented in the roster. Everything else is a steep, steep decline into low-effort live-action swill and cartoons the executives greenlit as a joke before consigning to their garbage dump sister channel to make sure nobody actually sees them. There's a bias for 90's Nick for a reason. If you want baseless nostalgia, there's shit they could grab from 80's Nick, but I don't think there's anything from back then they have the rights to anymore.
Actually it peaked in the late 90s to early 2000s.
It'd also be ignorant to pretend that the 2000s wasn't apart of the peak with Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, My Life as a Teenage Robot, El Tigre, Danny Phantom, Jimmy Neutron, the early 2000s is also when SpongeBob got seasons 2 and 3 as well as the SpongeBob movie.
And all of those cartoons are represented, except for OddParents, which was by far the weakest show in that list.
Oh, i thought we were talking about the Nicktoons in general outside of NASB.
The important toons from both decades are in. There's nothing being snubbed by Big 90's. Frickin' Doug is a piece of shit and it's rightfully not in. If they add Quailman or something, that's empty nostalgia pandering.
Well those 2000s shows can get more characters, yet Hey Arnold has three for some reason.
Daniel Fantome has three for some reason.
Well it is a bigger more popular show than Hey Arnold.
Two being the main character and his main villain. Sure, the third one is little WTF, but being a fighting game, it fits having an extra character from the action oriented show. Arnold meanwhile got the Co-Protagonis on Helga (fair enough)... and then his Sidekick and then his Grandma. There is a quite the difference of priorities between the DP picks and the HA picks.
Arnold is arguably the best Nicktoon. It's the soul of the network. It can get 3 reps. It's unorthodox that none of them are the main character, but they're doing it for a reason. You don't have to agree with the reason, but it's there.
Agree to disagree. I liked Arnold as a kid, I really did, the fricking cliff hanger hunted my childhood for over years. But even in the 90s, I think I would still have Rugrats and Rocko's Modern Life as a bigger deal, and then Sponge Bob and FoP would eventually come around. But hey, my memory of the 90's is just as a kid, so no idea how things were actually looking like from a more media reaching approach back then.
I'd say the strongest competition it has for top spot is classic Spongebob and Avatar. My favorite is Zim, but I know it can't touch those.
>FoP
The early episodes are not without their charms but to say it's anywhere near the others is absurd. Rugrats and Rocko are fair mentions.
Mind you I was trying to keep it on what was perceived as the "bigger deals" back then. I have a love hat relation with FOP which is clearly divided between the first five seasons and the final three (Seasons Six and Seven, I could leave of take, they are a decline on quality either way, but what happen after eight is a crime). Avatar, Zim or even DP would also had been my favorites from the early 00s, and from the 90s I would need to mention Angry Beavers. But I again, I was trying to look at it as objective as my childhood memory would allow.
>they're doing it for a reason
The reason is that the devs are uncreative cowards and are more TMNT fans than Nickelodeon ones. Every other moveset consist of memes; Danny and Jenny lack memes so they have weaker movesets. Arnold has zero memes so instead of actually watch Hey Arnold! for some ideas of what his potential moveset could be, they chose to not bother and ignore him.
If they can squeeze out a move set for people like Nigel and Hugh of all character, Arnold should have been EASIER but at last, the mind is fickle.
Arnold being a pacifist has no bearing, Aang is a pacifist as well. Hell, they could have work his "pacifism" into his moveset if they were that worried about it, which they shouldn't; Arnold had ran into conflict before, has played various sports, has used (unconventional) tools before, and even knows some karate. Like SpongeBob, he knows karate but rarely uses it in his moveset; using things like bubbles and nets instead. He knows how to defend himself but violence isn't his first instinct, just like Arnold. I don't see how things like garbage lids, baseball bats, footballs, pigeons, karate moves, etc. wouldn't be out of place in a moveset when others are using things like pies and umbrellas and a dirty diaper.
holy cope. They're uncreative for not adding a character you care about. That's pathetic. Others just had more to offer, get over it.
>Arnold is arguably the best Nicktoon
Nah, SpongeBob alone blows Arnold out of the water, same with Avatar and Fairly OddParents.
>Fop better than Arnold
You are a genetic dead end
>but they're doing it for a reason
The reason being that they want a diversity quota.
I love Hey Arnold! but I have to admit that while it has high highs it has some really mediocre lows.
>they're doing it for a reason
to add him in the 3rd one.
he's the only decently-popular main character left that they can use as a selling point for the inevitable NASB3.
I gotta be blunt with you. This way of thinking is blind optimism.
>the only one left
Timmy Turner and Tommy Pickles (Tak too i guess, but he's not as well-known)
>Tak too i guess, but he's not as well-known
He still gets high in popularity polls and has been kind of a staple of Nickelodeon games since Attack of the Toy Bots.
And to add onto this list there's also Dudly, Kitty (For those who consider her a main character) Henry and June, Otto, Otis, Sanjay and Craig, Harvey Beaks, Miko, Five, And for those who consider spin offs, Sheen and Ronnie Anne.
>the 3rd one
please no, just do a second year of NASB2 DLC in 2025
Not that Anon but lets be real here, if it doesn't sell enough to get a second season and/or if it drops like the first one they will just cut all future DLC plans and put them in a sequel a year later, just like what they're doing now.
I duno. The "sell well enough" argument is legit harder to calculate, when whatever is well enough for Greenmile to green light a sequel, equals whatever the Karting games sell. So, considering this game is getting actual free marketing from people like us just speculating about it, I think it would "sell well enough" once again. Now then, the devs did rebuild the would thing from scratch, and are making a lot of changes from the original, so roster aside, it does looks like a proper sequel rather than just an update. Going from an actual "season pass" instead of just three random DLC from last time, also seems to indicate that, at least the devs, hope to be able to build from here, instead of just jumping to the next game on year. I don't think even Greenmile is used to have games with actual demand for more.
There's a few thing i wanna point out.
>So, considering this game is getting actual free marketing from people like us just speculating about it,
Oh boy here we go...
Anon, through these entire threads people have been shitting on the game, more than usual, and those who kept the hype going in these threads aren't here anymore, no drawgays, no avatargays, nothing.
Most of the discussion seen in these threads are people complaining about the roster and people defending the roster.
You know what Smash discussion was like after Byleth got announced? It's like that but with the ire being directed towards more characters, there are less people defending them and all around there's just less people involved even compared to the first game.
And this is just on Cinemaphile, not even Twitter is as hyped as the day after the first dropped Multiversus started trending overshadowing it.
And even on YouTube the hype isn't as much as the first game. The first trailer for the first game got over a million views in just 24 hours. The first trailer for the second game hasn't gotten to 75% of that amount of views and it's been 10 days.
Even in the competitive scene big names such as Maximilian Dood were so burned by the first game that they aren't talking about the sequel. The only big name in the competitive community talking about it is HBox and he's not even well liked within the platform fighter community for starting the Smash killer meme.
You say it's free marketing but realistically how can it be considered marketing if the majority of the word of mouth is negative to none?
>I think it would "sell well enough" once again.
Including everything i just said there's also the fact that the game is releasing in the same week as six other games that are bigger than NASB.
NASB1 only had to go up against one game, Metroid Dread, a Switch exclusive so NASB had more of a chance on other systems as well.
>Now then, the devs did rebuild the would thing from scratch
This honestly might hurt the roster in terms of moveset leading to even more bad reputations.
This is because the devs could hardly handle making 22 characters at the same time during NASB1's development, to the point that two had to be cut at release.
Having to work on even more characters at the same time, well, i'm not sure if they can handle it.
Not to mention how they also have to work on all the single player content on top of that.
>I don't think even Greenmile is used to have games with actual demand for more.
Like i said before, that demand is shrinking with the game not getting as much hype as the first. The novelty of a Nickelodeon fighting game has worn off and it doesn't have the benefit of being at the right place at the right time anymore.
>The novelty of a Nickelodeon fighting game has worn off and it doesn't have the benefit of being at the right place at the right time anymore.
It never had that advantage before. The first game came out when the hype for Smash Ultimate's DLC was still hot (literally at Sora's reveal), and Multiversus was on the horyzon, for free and better productions values. If anything, even if Smash is eternal, the "hype cycle" around it is finally cold down, and Multiversus went back to the vault. It may not be much, but timewise, this a better opening window, in regards it's actual competence, than before.
Honestly, I don't see the other games coming at the same time as this as big deal for the sales, at all. Sure, they will sell far better that's not even a question, but Is not even the fact that they are different genres, or the fact that two are console exclusives. The REAL target audience of any Nickelodeon game, is parents looking for cheap games for their kids (even know, this is not a full price game, compared to Spiderman, Mario or Sonic). Like, the whole meme of "are they stupid for releasing the game on this date" amount to very little. Whatever sale goals Greenmile may have, unless the get way over their heads compared to previous license games of theirs, they will meet them.
Would parents rather buy their kids a cash grab or the hot new Mario game?
Mario is bigger than NASB and the price means nothing when the kids beg their parents for the new Mario.
Parents are willing to spend more money on a game if it's what their kids want, and kids are more drawn to Mario games than any license game there is.
Yeah, all that Smash hype is what i'm talking about. The game was riding the waves of the Smash hype. Without it it doesn't have the hype that it once had.
Lincoln's Super
What is even going on here
Rape
>nickTOONS brawl
>homies want live action characters
really makes me think
Actually it's Nickelodeon All Star Brawl but other than that i agree.
The only live action should be stages.
All I know is Arnold's grandma better get a boarding house rooftop stage with balloons and an instrumental of Don't Look Away, Look Up playing. Are they actually getting real music from the shows this time?
...how old are you people? Twelve? Thirteen?
No one younger than 30 even cares about characters like Hey Arnold, Beavers, or Ren and Stimpy.
One day you'll be over 30 and have to watch everyone you've known since childhood become undeniably old and start dropping off one by one. All this world will do is start taking from you, taking more, and more still. You'll eventually lose everyone, then everything, and then it'll take you.
24 here and i like all of those shows.
Whats the point? Larry with bucket would be been cool
Didn't he changed his opinion on the Rise of TMNT?
Not really, he said that the last season got better but the first half fo the show is so bad it ruined it as a whole
He didn't say that, in fact he's doing a new review of the show to fix his mistakes.
>Mistakes
Nah, he became a Pan Pizza wannabe where he shills everything and apologizes for everything bad he ever said so he doesn't get blacklisted or shat on, he went from shitting on Cars 2 and Turning Red to defending them and apologizing for saying they were bad, at least Nostalgia Critic has the balls to shit on cartoons and stand by that opinion regardless of what people tell him
Ginger & Loud House are too damn high, and Beavers, RotTMNT, and El Tigre are too low
I'm going to guess this is from 2016-2018
It's from 2020.
He started his Nick-O-Rama in 2019 and ended it on 2020.
What are his chances?
Does he count as a 3rd party rep?
I just wish they would have done 2003 turtles instead, and then did added Casey Jones instead of April
Having 2003 and 2012 TMNT alongside the 80s wouldn't even be as out of place or weird as 80s fans try to make it out to be due to there being a whole turtles multiverse and the 80s have interacted with 2003 and 2012.
Ironically enough both of those crossovers go out of their way to show just how weak the 80s universe is compared to the 2003 and 2012 universes.
No one cares how strong or weak the universes are. Bringing that up as some weird attempt to own the 80s turtles is pathetic.
If they were to add any Casey Jones it would have to be the 80s version
Not that Anon but the 80s is overused at this point.
Like it or not the 80s TMNT are the most popular around the world (Japan is a great example of that) and their toys sell the best, that's why Nick keeps shitting out toys based on the 80s Turtles to this day, plus some countries only dubbed/aired this version of the show and the Koonami TMNT games got a re-release last year plus that recent beat em up based in the 80s cartoon
Prepare for your response to get a lot of cope and "8-80s aren't more popular!!!1 It's just NOSTALGIA!!!!!111"
>Like it or not the 80s TMNT are the most popular around the world (Japan is a great example of that)
Japan likes TMNT in general, not just the 80s. Seriously, the amount of fanart the 2012 version gets from Japanese fans is the most out of any other version.
>and their toys sell the best
By default due to those being the only TMNT toys being sold, along with Mutant Mayhem at the moment.
I know you'll say "But then why doesn't Nick sell 2003/2012 toys" and my response to that is the same response to this.
>that's why Nick keeps shitting out toys based on the 80s Turtles to this day,
This is because every studio in Hollywood is nostalgia baiting hard, Nickelodeon and Paramount as a whole going in on the nostalgia pandering arguably the hardest.
2003, 2012 and Rise don't have the same nostalgia factor yet but give it some more years and we'll start to see nostalgia pandering for them as well.
>plus some countries only dubbed/aired this version of the show
I'm going to need a source on that.
Also, assuming this is true, "some" means a minority so i wanna know just how much of a minority that is.
>and the Koonami TMNT games got a re-release last year plus that recent beat em up based in the 80s cartoon
Shredder's Revenge was made to be a homage to the Konami games and the Konami games got rereleased to ride off the success of Shredder's Revenge.
Also Shredder's Revenge is getting content from 2003, 2012, etc.
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>autistically coloring in every county
What is this and how much time did you spend on it?
Sigma male choice
SNORE! Wake me up when Multiversus comes back
floaty microtransaction garbage.