Ignore the 10 gazillion other threads about shizo politics and culture war shit and ocme and discuss Wes Andersons comfiest (and best) movie with me anons
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The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
Let me tell you about my boat
Rushmore
The Grand Budapest
The Royal Tenenbaums
Bottle Rocket
The Life Aquatic
Darjeeling Limited
Moonrise Kingdom
Fantastic Mr. Fox
Isle of Dogs
Haven’t seen The French Dispatch but can tell I’ll probably rank it low. I might be too harsh on the stop motion movies even though that’s a perfect medium for someone like Anderson.
maybe its just because the TLA was the first WA movie i ever watched back before i even knew who he was but i rank it so much higher than shit like the Royal Tenebaums.
Nowadays I mostly appreciate it for its good potrayal of a man imploding under his own ego and finding his way back to himself
It definitely factors in when you see the movies. Royal Tenenbaums was the first I ever saw and I felt like he had perfected his style at that point. Life Aquatic is hilarious but it feels clunky as hell at times. I can’t blame getting burned out on him as a director because I loved Grand Budapest
Clunky how?
storytelling. maybe it could have been fixed in editing but it sometimes felt like random scenes pushed together.
I know i'm in the minority but I also didn't feel anything for Bill Murray when he sees the shark at the end. Anderson feels like he always tries to tack on heartfelt moments at the end of his films and sometimes they fall flat.
when was the last time you watched it? i can't see how you've come to the first conclusion. fine if you didn't feel much at the ending but random scenes shoved together doesn't work at all in describing this film
a couple years ago. I think i'm coming off like I don't enjoy the movie, but it's in my top 5 from him. Maybe it'll change with a more recent rewatch, but it definitely has something to do with the editing of the movie. Something feels completely off
interdasting. i watched it for the first time when my family rented it on DVD from blockbuster when i was 12 or somethign and i didn't really enjoy it then but it always stuck with me for some reason. i rewatched it a couple of years ago and loved it. watched a few video essays explaining it in depth and now i enjoy it even more. for some reason i am drawn back to watch it over and over again but as i've said up thread i think i feel for steve a lot. i was once on top and imploded big time.
>comfiest (and best) movie
I don't know, anon. I'm a boatgay but I still didn't find it very comfy compared to The Darjeeling Limited or The Grand Budapest Hotel. It might be because I saw the movie memed and hyped up online for ages before I finally watched it, while I went into the other two blind.
>Haven’t seen The French Dispatch but can tell I’ll probably rank it low.
It becomes a whole other movie once you realise it's Wes honouring the billionaire that owns the production company that greenlights all his crazy movie ideas and lets him approach the stories any way he wants and to take his time, where the typical Hollywood production companies would have interfered and ruined things. Without that to encapsulate the whole thing it feels weird watching it.
Grand Budapest is great but i really really did not enjoy Darjeeling one bit. it just didn't resonate with me whatsoever
That’s how I feel about Moonrise Kingdom. I fricking loved Budapest but thought Moonrise was trash and I still can’t figure out why it rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I just need to see it again
Darjeeling definitely grew on me after seeing it again
Same, I really didn't like Moonrise Kingdom and I'm not sure why exactly either. It might've been the child actors.
It's the only Wes Anderson movie I dislike (I haven't seen Isle of Dogs or the French Dispatch)
I think that might be true. I don’t remember the kids being particularly bad acting wise but that can sometimes ruin it for me
Darjeeling is a poor man's Life Aquatic
Name your top 5 boat kinos
>hogging up all the grant money
Classic israelite
Fantastic Mr Fox is great, I'd put it above Darjeeling, Bottle Rocket and Moonrise Kingdom for sure
French Dispatch is the capeshit of Wes Anderson films.
Also, Fantastic Mr. Fox should be higher up that list
Yeah, I knew having Fantastic Mr Fox that low would piss people off. I loved the movie but it was honestly hard to decide where to put his stop motion shit. I guess I would put it above Moonrise and Darjeeling
>Fantastic Mr. Fox
a truly great film, should be higher on your list.
>The French Dispatch
the story about the painter in prison is the best sequence, followed by the one about the chef; the rest are garbage. the film is saved by having several instances of Léa Seydoux posing topless/nude
Yeah, I’d probably put it above Moonrise and Darjeeling but had trouble including the stop motion.
Lea Seydoux is perfect in every way
Bottle Rocket isn't better than Moonrise
I disagree. Moonrise is one of his worst movies and feels empty
If it didn’t have Bruce Willis I would agree but he breathed life into that movie and I actually felt for him and hardly anyone else besides him and Sam. It’s a mid tier Anderson movie between accessible and meh.
darjeeling is underrated and moonrise isn't THAT bad, c'mon
What movies would you put above Moonrise? It's easily his worst for me
I thought about it more and would actually put Fantastic Mr Fox above both of those. Darjeeling grew on me with multiple watches. I hated Moonrise the first time I saw it in theaters but it just felt entirely flat to me
Swap Grand Budapest and Royal Tenenbaums and this is complete
this is my favorite Anderson too. Probably cause it was my first. The scene where they finally find the tiger shark will always resonate with me
I'll also post this. i know its long but they're very good in depth looks
>video essays
I find it hard to watch any of Bill Murray's old movies now that he's been exposed as acting like a chud on set.
what do you mean? Every actor in Hollywood is a giant chud. What exactly did Bill Murray do on sets? Was he raping people like Woody Allen and Harvey Weinstein?
I'll fight it. But i'll let it live
Yes!
What does the K stand for?
That moment in The Life Aquatic when they find the Tiger Shark.
That moment in Darjeeling Limited where they get off the bus to attend the funeral.
That moment in The Grand Budapest Hotel where the guy snaps and Zero tells him his history as a refugee.
All three of these and many other scenes in these movies made my soul cry butterfly tears.
Rushmore, Moonrise Kingdom and The Royal Tenenbaums lacked that spark that spoke to my inner being, but were good films and had cool moments.
Not only have I not seen Fantastic Mr. Fox or Isle of Dogs, but I feel like comparing stop motion animation films to live action is pointless.
I have yet to see Bottle Rocket or The French Dispatch.
There's a lot of scenes in Life Aqautic that bludgeon me with melancholy in a good way. Steve is a complete butthole sure but he's somehow tragic to me. I feel like i've been on top before and then gone into a decline like he has
I get that feel. Hes a washed up butthole with many regrets, that everyone has to pretend to respect (they once did respect him but he peaked and become a jaded misanthrope), he ends up sort of redeeming himself as a leader towards the end. Im not a big wes anderson fan as his movies can be sappy and low t but the settings and characters and music in life aquatic make it kino and memorable
That’s odd because I feel like Rushmore had the most heart out of any of his movies. You’d probably like Bottle Rocket but it’s definitely a stripped down version of what Anderson became
>not crying at this
soulless
finally watched the royal tenenbaums last month, that scene and NEEDLE IN THE HAAAAAAAY[spoiler] really got me.[/spoiler]
I cry when chaz sleeps on the floor of his kids room. I’m tearing up thinking about them losing their mom/wife and dad trying his best to make you feel better
This always got to me, too- then I actually had a son. Now just hearing the Lennon dong from that scene gets to me.
Stiller was miscast. Didn't seem to fit into the family. The one obvious israelite in a wasp household
I thought that was the point, everyone in the family feels so eccentric and different to each other
Oh frick I forgot about the entire "disturbed child" narrative, yeah this movie was pretty bad
good b8 but it's one of the better ones
i've found it's only anons who never dated when they were younger than don't understand it
It's always weird to see someone filtered by Moonrise Kingdom.
Not bait, I remember now the disturbed child shit was the worst part of the film.
You're right I never really dated when I was younger, but I don't think that was why I disliked the movie, all the stuff aside from the romance was pretty bad too.
>You're right I never really dated when I was younger
That explains it, I appreciate your honesty
It really can't be appreciated if the viewer never knew love
>It really can't be appreciated if the viewer never knew love
i always think that about Lost in Translation
Maybe, but I think it's more about whether you find the "moron outcast child" narrative endearing, which I don't think was done well.
It's true, I remember not liking the movie before the romance even really develops.
Hard to enjoy the story when you're meant to root for the main child actors running away but you don't like them.
I liked moonrise kingdom and I'm a kv
same
although I do find this shit
disturbing and gratuitous.
I watch those two comedians Joe & Raanan Talk About Movies and they basically said this same thing word for word. Stiller didn't bother me though
Frick me i balled my eyes out when i first saw this scene
>Moonrise Kingdom ... lacked that spark that spoke to my inner being, but were good films and had cool moments.
did you not know young love?
>I have yet to see Bottle Rocket
Dude
that scene at the end of moonrise kingdom
c'mon, it's beautiful. maybe not as blatantly sad, but when you know what happens to young love, I think it is. beautiful music fits perfectly.
I only like Rushmore. The rest were over written and over stylized.
What about Bottle Rocket then? If anything that is even less stylized than Rushmore
>over written
Actually the opposite in some important areas. After Fantastic Mr Box he stopped writing characters that are more than 2 dimensional, also some plot deficiencies.
for me, it's Bottle Rocket.
Based, I still listen to Over and Done With by the Proclaimers because of this movie
whatever is being said in this thread i'm just glad its a fricking oasis in the sea of pure shite that is Cinemaphile right now
absolutely
it's anderson's only work where his apparent style complements to the film and the world he built instead of feeling forced and "look it's all so meta"
>only work where his apparent style complements to the film
I'd say it complements The Grand Budapest Hotel because it's really not that far off from how "foreign" luxury hotels and its personnel used to look and act. The only time it starts to strain is with the prisoners.
>tfw missed out on seeing all of them at the cinema, except for The French Dispatch
I'm certain that being totally immersed made me enjoy it to a degree that I wouldn't have if I'd been watching it at home where my attention might waiver when it jumped to another story, but all that does is make me think of how much better all the rest would have been on the big screen with full immersion.
I’m bummed that I don’t even get excited when he announces a new movie anymore.
Idk why but I had no interest in watching Isle of Dogs and certainly not The French Dispatch. Even though his recentmost film before that, Grand Budapest, was great
I bet the next Wes Anderson will star the´usual suspects again + Lea Seydoux and Benicio del Toro. that's what annoys me the most, it's like with each new movie the only thing that matters to him is scene composition and to add new stars to his already huge ensemble cast.
Asteroid City:
Tilda Swinton
Adrien Brody
Tom Hanks
Margot Robbie
Rupert Friend
Jason Schwartzman
Scarlett Johansson
Bryan Cranston
Hope Davis
Jeff Goldblum
Jeffrey Wright
Liev Schreiber
Tony Revolori
Matt Dillon as Hank
Sophia Lillis
Steve Park
Maya Hawke
Fisher Stevens
Jake Ryan
Ethan Josh Lee
Edward Norton
Steve Carell
Hong Chau
Willem Dafoe
Grace Edwards
Aristou Meehan
Rita Wilson
>Asteroid City is an upcoming American romantic comedy-drama film written, directed, and produced by Wes Anderson. The cast has been described as being "larger than most other Anderson films that are ensemble in nature."
>In 1955, students and parents from across the country gather for scholarly competition, rest/recreation, comedy, drama, and romance at a Junior Stargazer convention held in a fictional American desert town.
wew, that sounds like a big undertaking. Doesn't seem like his kind of movie, usually he has a smaller cast of characters that he puts a lot of thought and development into, I can't feel with so many characters and with this setting they're all going to be walking exaggerated stereotypes (the overbearing parents pushing their childs' academic achievements, the academic child who secretly wants to be an actor instead, the loveless marriage where the man is secretly gay and meets a man, while the wife meets a strapping Italian man)
I hope he can pull it off and it doesn't end up looking like "Love Actually" meets "Best in Show"
I wonder if Lea Seydoux isn't in this because I got the vibe she wasn't happy with her part in The French Dispatch
When is she ever happy
>it's like with each new movie the only thing that matters to him is scene composition and to add new stars to his already huge ensemble cast
I actually like this about him though, it's what made Grand Budapest so great. Ralph Fiennes was great.
Anderson's strength is basically getting good performances out of actors and getting a good look and feel to his movies.
it frustrates me because he can do better, like genuinely funny movies, which he never tried again after Bottle Rocket. or heartwarming movies like Moonrise Kingdom, not just pretty movies for the sake of being pretty. I don't even mind that good actors want to work with him, just that it feels he has nothing else to give to cinema.
lol
I feel like Rushmore is just as much of a comedy as Bottle Rocket. I think most of his movies are hilarious though
Idk what you're talking about, his movies all have genuine moments of humour and heartwarming stuff. The stuff between Zero and his qtpi girlfriend in Grand Budapest is pretty heartwarming.
Idk what you see in Moonrise Kingdom that you don't see in the others, that's my least favourite movie of his.
MK is centered around juvenile love, an universal feeling. he can still produce heartwarming moments, but what do his recent movies really evoke?
The Grand Budapest Hotel, a love letter to luxury hotels with soul? fine, but most people haven't experienced that, it doesn't get any feelings from me.
The French Dispatch. A love letter to old style correspondence journalism. I thought that could work, because I've an interest on the subject. But it didn't, because the theme got diluted, he had to fit as many stars as he could, so he had to make up more stories and in the end I didn't even know what the movie was about anymore. it's ok that a lot of good actors want to work with him, but at some point, it stops being storytelling. maybe he should stop doing features and try shorts.
Grand Budapest and Royal Tenenbaums both have pretty heartfelt love stories in them
Haven't seen French Dispatch so I can't comment on it
Great movie. Great cast. Great soundtrack. Great effects. Great acting. Great story. Anderson has serious daddy issues and it’s great. Definitely top 3 of his movies, somewhere with Budapest and Moonrise
a wes anderson flick with sophia lillis in a big role would be peak kino; she is in this next one but with that huge all star cast I'm assuming it's a small role
It's a movie about a scholarly competition involving students so I'd assume she's going to be the main child character in it. Unless Wes Anderson still thinks he can "here's the kid I was telling you about" with Jason Schwartzman
I may rate Rushmore and Grand Budapest Hotel higher (Rushmore because Max is literally me when I was in high school, GBH because of the beautiful, sad way it depicts how much Europe changed within the lifetime of a single generation) but as far as pure comfy goes you can't beat The Life Aquatic. I think it's the Costeau doc meets 60s pulp aesthetic that does it for me- I could easily see Steve Zissou bumping into the Venture family or the mercs from TF2.
Oh, and that music too. Pure comfy all around.
>shizo politics
What. What the frick is "shizo?"
a misspelling you turbo schizo
His best movie and my favorite. It’s too bad normies have no clue what you’re talking about when they ask your favorite movie and you say
>The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
Also
> I dunno Klaus was supposed to check that
CHECK THE SCANNING MONITOR
he's niche director who refuses to take risks, you have to be a child to still enjoy his movies
The Life Aquatic and Darjeeling Limited were both risky and a lot of critics didn't like them
take your schizo shit to another thread
Life Aquatic and Moonrise Kingdom are the best
so fricking Kino
moonrise kingdom made me uncomfortable
it's cute. and authentic.
Same got really weird vibes, wasnt that memorable either, just remember feeling uncomfortable witht he thought of why would an adult man want to make this movie. Edward Norton as a scoutmaster or whatever made my skin crawl.
Yeah I feel exactly the same, the pedoshit really put me off. It's funny because I'll watch anime with pedoshit in it and it doesn't really bother me, but with this movie it definitely felt weird. I guess because they used real child actors for it.
only one of his movies I haven't finished, shit is just not an enjoyable watch
Thanks for the inspiration dawg.
>moonrise kingdom made me uncomfortable
Why?
>that moment when all 3 start throwing rocks together at the train for kicking them off
i always thought Cinemaphile would be a Life Aqautic stronghold. it's got so much about it that appeals to the denizens of this place yet it seems they all swallowed the reviewers opinions whole
lolwut? This thread is full of nothing but praise for Life Aquatic
depends on when you post. you could make this same thread tomorrow and everyone would be shitting on Anderson and that movie
From what I've seen most people on this board seem to think it's great.
I think it's a commonly held opinion IRL as well, most people who know Wes Anderson's work seem to think it was great, and maybe even his best.
I don't understand why the critics didn't like it at the time, I think it was one of those things where they all piled onto it for no reason and started parroting the consensus opinion on it.
i seriously cannot understand why it got slated. did he piss someone off or something?
Darjeeling came out around the same time and was also panned despite being a solid movie.
Idk what it was, I think maybe because Wes Anderson went a bit off formula with it, and was held together by elements already seen in his previous films, so maybe they thought Anderson was a bit of a hack for that.
It annoys me because I think it made him go a lot safer with subsequent movies. Like Fantastic Mr Fox and Grand Budapest are great, but very conventional, safe movies, almost child-like while Life Aquatic was a lot darker and complex. I wish Anderson went full Lynch-mode and went darker and more complicated with each movie.
i mean placing it right at the top of wes andersons kinography not just enjoying it
I interpret this as a challenge to ruin The Life Aquatic by interpreting politics into it. Has anyone mentioned how Steve got cucked by a israelite?
That slick homosexual? it seems he cucked him first.
he does cuck steve by hogging up all the grant money though
How did Wes get away with this?
because it's cute and there's nothing wrong with it.
Funny how Life Aquatic was critically panned while most people think it's one of his best, if not the best, while Moonrise Kingdom was lauded even though most people agree it's one of his worst
Who are you quoting?
I was actually surprised by the amount of hate Moonrise Kingdom is getting in this. I've said that opinion before and people tore my ass apart. I think a lot of people consider it in the top 3
I think it's just one anon ITT. Moonrise is usually beloved on Cinemaphile judging from the archives.
>Moonrise is usually beloved on pedo/tv/
ftfy. Most of the time it's only brought up for the pedo stuff.
yeah it's a dedicated troll
it just depends on when you post. coincidentally there are like three anons posting now that don't like it
Maybe, but my experience irl is people don't really like this movie either. My whole family didn't enjoy it and I remember talking to a girl who loved Life Aquatic but hated Moonrise Kingdom.
Favorite musical moments:
>Bottle Rocket
Over and Done with
(this was difficult because Bottle Rocket has so many good ones)
>Rushmore
>The Life Aquatic
Klaus thanking Ned for putting him on the flag is one of my favorite Anderson moments
>The Royal Tenenbaums
obvious pick
It's got the best soundtrack of any of his films.
I fricking despise pretty much all of Anderson's filmography, yet Life Aquatic is one of my favorite films. I don't even know why. It has all of le quirky attributes of his type of schlock, yet it doesn't bother me.
Just this unbearably sentimental feel to it that is hard to describe, I cannot help but cry watching it (which I almost never do). Fricking bizarre phenomenon.
Why yes, mr.fox is my favorite movie
how did you know