It's good as a Miles vehicle, it's good for Spot, it's good for visuals and even the music is solid if lesser than ITSV. It's such a fundamental misunderstanding of Peter's responsibility as well as a horrendous use of Ben Reilly as well as a bizarre use for Ben. It's very clearly the writers have favorite Spider characters. It's why Peter, Peni, Ham and Noir get sidelined and are reduced to a minor role and cameos respectively
>It's good as a Miles vehicle
It really isn't though. Not in the long run. It just makes him come across less appealing the more they have to bend everyone over backwards to validate him.
The first half genuinely nails a Spider-Man movies beats >Miles trying to balance his personal life and Spidey shit while fumbling it >Spot's an engaging villain >gets me involved with the character and wants me to see the little dude come out on top while he's struggling
The moment he enters the Spider Society tho it kinda collapses.
>The moment he enters the Spider Society tho it kinda collapses.
Honestly kind of agree. I've never heard any Miles critique from before he enters the spider society, only after he does.
The beggining of the movie honestly made me want a solo miles or gwen movie more than a spiderverse film.
>The moment he enters the Spider Society tho it kinda collapses.
Honestly kind of agree. I've never heard any Miles critique from before he enters the spider society, only after he does.
The beggining of the movie honestly made me want a solo miles or gwen movie more than a spiderverse film.
It kinda highlights that Spider-Man is, at its core, street-level. It feels at its best when the highest threat level is only city-wide. It's kinda the same feel I get with DC and Suicide Squad where it's best as a black ops type thing but keeps getting thrown into fighting cosmic shit.
Once a fictional character or characters become popular enough, they'll be in narratives where they are fighting or doing things well above their paygrade just because fans will eat it up regardless.
>The moment he enters the Spider Society tho it kinda collapses.
Honestly kind of agree. I've never heard any Miles critique from before he enters the spider society, only after he does.
The beggining of the movie honestly made me want a solo miles or gwen movie more than a spiderverse film.
It’s funny how despite being meant to be a multiverse series, spiderverse is literally at its best when it ignores the multiverse entirely. Hell, into the spiderverse could have completely ignored the multiverse as a concept and just had it be a story about an older, more cynical peter teaching miles how to be a proper spiderman since every other spidey in that film is completely unimportant. It’s almost like making spiderman an multiverse level hero is just making him into an avenger level hero and that some people will blatantly ignore a film’s flaws as long as the animation is good,
The funny thing is I actually think most spiderverse fans are the type to make fun of that sort of entertainment, seems like it only really takes an artstyle that you don’t see in every film to make them change their tune.
I wish the first movie was about teen Ultimate Peter getting tutored by older 616 Peter with no other multiverse bullshit thrown in. It would be a neat way to show how the Mainline and Ultimate universes mirror each other, while having a plot about a young Pete growing into his role as Spider-Man as the older Pete gets his groove back by seeing a younger version of himself, reminding him of what Spider-Man is all about and going back to the basics, to what matters.
>older jaded Peter who is worn down by the job >has to mentor a newer, fresher Spider-Man >initially tries to blackpill him about the toll it takes on him >gradually starts to remember the good times seeing Miles going through his first moments like swinging >Miles developing Venom makes him remember the times he had weird powers like multiple arms or organic webs
Sounds like it'd be a pretty fun movie. All the best ITSV scenes were with Peter B. and Miles anyway.
>Aha, yeah, I remember when I first started developing weird powers. >*cut to Peter in his room screaming as the extra arms start bursting out of his sides* >..you got off a little easier than I did though. >"What about the organic web-" >Ok, first rule of being Spider-Man, we never talk about organic webbing. Ever. >"I thought 'With great power comes great responsibility was the first rule?'" >They're both rule 1.
Oh please. These "racists" have been Mile's only defense since he was created.
>And there is truly no satisfying way to end off the plot across started.
Pretty much. With how this is going, it'll be either A. Everyone gets what they want at the end, spot is defeated, and canon events no longer exist (which is just lame), or B. Someone has to sacrifice something whether it be someone dying or Miles and Gwen not ending up together. If it's the latter, then there will be backlash without a doubt especially when it comes to shipping considering how many people push those two together.
Oh you know damn well Miles is just gonna rip off the ending of No way home.
>It's why Peter, Peni, Ham and Noir got sidelined and are reduced to a minor role and cameos respectively
They got sidelined so the writers could have more room to introduce new spider people without the cast feeling too bloated.
>have a cast of underdeveloped characters like Ham, Noir and Peni >decide to introduce even more characters without developing the original ones
I like Spider-Punk and Pavitr well enough but like the story feels ADHD >Uhhhhh Gwen plot >Miles and Spot Plot >Spider-Society Plot >Gwen plot
Like did the writers wanna write a miniseries instead of a movie?
>It's very clearly the writers have favorite Spider characters. It's why Peter, Peni, Ham and Noir get sidelined and are reduced to a minor role and cameos respectively
If the best characters aren't their favorites that's a troubling sign.
It's half a movie, I'm not gonna bother trying to think about it until they finish it.
Into the Spider-Verse was better, because it was a film with a clear theme, vision, and story, that honestly would've been best served by not having any sequels but that's not the world we live in.
Other spider-man’s distract him while Miles goes invisible then pulls out his electric sword to defeat him.
Peter B and/or Miguel die trying to save Miles from something (that Miles could’ve easily avoided anyway)
Since this seems to be the first sane ATSV thread on here I finally get to ask but did anyone else just feel a lot of the style of the first movie was just lacking in this one. Like the first one had this very urban pop art aesthetic to it but this one just tossed that style all out for flashy colors.
Yeah I'd agree with that. I think a lot of that is because the first movie was set entirely in Miles' home dimension so they got a chance to really establish the specific visual style of that, but in ATSV they were jumping between different dimensions so there was a lot of surface-level style changes which meant there was never any focus on any one style.
I also think they really missed the mark setting Spider-Society in Neuva York and then making it entirely divorced from the aesthetic of the original 2099 comics, big mistake.
1. Miguel had no reason to tell Miles his dad was going to die. The only reason why this happened was because the dumb writers needed to find some way to move the plot forward.
2. Miles’ moment when he refuses to adhere to the Spider Society’s mandate isn’t the big win that the writers want you to think. In fact, the whole scene falls apart because Miles’ decision is simply just a foregone conclusion he would have made anyways, instead of a stance that he needed to gradually accept in the face of scrutiny and peer pressure
I'm trying to keep an open mind to see how part 2 handles things but the canon events thing definitely falls apart under closer scrutiny. I got the impression that they had all these ideas for cool scenes and different spider-man styles but no clear idea of how to tie them all together. It was visually impressive I'll give them that. The multiverse meta stuff falls apart because then you end up wondering why all these heroes who struggle against impossible odds just resigned themselves to fate and didn't look for a way to get a happy ending for everyone. Big offender there was having Peter B. Parker just accept things for so long. I really expected him to point to his daughter as proof against accepting canon events since his interaction with Miles led to him patching up his life and her birth.
And then there's the behind the scenes issues like the hardcore crunch people had to go through because the head honcho producer/co-writer loved to make granular last minute changes but expected final render level quality due to his inability to visualize based on early stage drafts.
>the canon events thing definitely falls apart under closer scrutiny
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to. E.g. like you said, Peter B.'s patched up marriage and daughter only happened because of his experiences in other universes, which "shouldn't have" happened if Miguel's canon events theory is true. What if, "canonically," Peter B. was supposed to be a divorced, childless, middle aged, jaded sadsack? Why hasn't his universe fallen apart yet then?
>Miguel explains canon events >Miles assumes his uncle dying was his >Hobie tells him the truth >Miguel gets agitated and captures Miles >escape sequence
You don't even have to change that much to make it make sense.
>First movie tells a heartfelt story about a young kid realizing that anyone can where the mask.
>Second film, actually yeah so here's a random sub plot added in the last 5 minutes of an action sequence to show how Miles is valid as Spider-Man.
Why did they feel the need to do this. No one who likes these movies had a problem with Miles as Spider-Man. We like the little dude and even had gay video essayist making videos on how the first one fixed his character.
Bumpin this because it's rare for a thread in here to not give me a headache. I feel too the movie is going to not age well with time. I got a feeling that relying on Beyond the Spiderverse to wrap everything up might bite them in the ass in the future.
I legit think beyond will be the shrek 3 of the 2020s, just like shrek, spiderverse came out at a time where disney was doing pretty bad and was a trendsetter for later films and even culture to a degree, but after two well received films, the third film would end up ruining the franchise’s reputation as a whole, even with a fourth film that attempted to repair the brand and at least end the series pn a good note. While beyond won’t fail for the same reasons as shrek 3, it will most likely fail as their animation practices haven’t been the best, possibly only getting worse over tine, and there is truly no satisfying way to end off the plot across started. It’ll be funny to see if miles and gwen end up like meme characters the same way shrek did
>And there is truly no satisfying way to end off the plot across started.
Pretty much. With how this is going, it'll be either A. Everyone gets what they want at the end, spot is defeated, and canon events no longer exist (which is just lame), or B. Someone has to sacrifice something whether it be someone dying or Miles and Gwen not ending up together. If it's the latter, then there will be backlash without a doubt especially when it comes to shipping considering how many people push those two together.
>spends the whole movie having other people telling him who/what he should be or is supposed to be, completely deaf to his own dreams and desires, and is starting to crack under the pressure of everyone's sky-high expectations and trying to balance everything in one of the most turbulent times in a young person's life
It's a solid enough premise, but this whole "Miles must always be right" mandate Marvel seems to have absolutely kills it.
I mean usually this sort of writing and filmmaking would be mercilessly hammered by critics and audiences for being unfinished and obviously sequel-baity but Spider-Verse toes the diversity line and "owns" the Disneyslop so everyone gives it a pass. I genuinely can't think of the last time a movie just didn't have an ending to any of its setup.
I wish the first movie was about teen Ultimate Peter getting tutored by older 616 Peter with no other multiverse bullshit thrown in. It would be a neat way to show how the Mainline and Ultimate universes mirror each other, while having a plot about a young Pete growing into his role as Spider-Man as the older Pete gets his groove back by seeing a younger version of himself, reminding him of what Spider-Man is all about and going back to the basics, to what matters.
You made the mistake of assuming the movies are about Spider-Man rather than political racial agenda. They'd sooner get rid of Spider-Man than their race fetish.
miles is afro-latino not israeli, israel number supports are white boomers (like petey, a character created by israelites)
More Milesgay seething that his """character""" can only exist when lifted up by the entire 60 years of the IP's history sacrificed for his sake and the slave driven exploitation of 1000s of animators and artists, or else everyone starts noticing what a shit worthless character he is
omega cope, pete has like 2 minutes of screen time and the animation industry is inherently exploitative like the VFX artist that worked on the homecoming trilogy
>the animation industry is inherently exploitative like the VFX artist that worked on the homecoming trilogy
Yeah but Peter has been consistently successful for 60 years even in non-exploitative projects and mediums, meanwhile Miles *needs* the exploitation or everyone shits on him like in the second game. The second Spider-Verse trilogy is over everyone will turn on him.
>Peter's franchise hinged on marvel
Other way around lmao, they had to keep adding him to other shit to keep it afloat because he was so much more successful than everything else
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learn to read petertard
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the target audience are non-chuds, meaning they aren't racists like peterfanatics
>petertard >peterfanatics
Milesgay is getting desperate!
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you literally create entire threads to seethe about miles non-stop, your so desperate that you let miles live rent free in your head
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>when your head is zoned for section 8
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>twitter admitted Miles is only important to be black >Bendis admitted he made Miles only to be black >Spider-Verse creators admitted they only made the movies to legitimize Spider-Man but black >Milesgay still can't bring himself to admit he only likes Miles because he brings the black culture war to the Spider-Man IP
One day Milesgay, one day
More Milesgay seething that his """character""" can only exist when lifted up by the entire 60 years of the IP's history sacrificed for his sake and the slave driven exploitation of 1000s of animators and artists, or else everyone starts noticing what a shit worthless character he is
So, unpopular take. Miles himself isn't the problem
The problem is they're trying to force a "Spider-Men"/"Spider Family"/"Spider Verse" brand then retroactively figuring out what makes each reskin different.
The first Spiderverse actually lays a good foundation for Miles as being more cautious and analytical than Peter with powers complimenting that, struggling to take leaps of faith.
But the Spiders themselves just feel way more artificial than the Bat Family.
It's a visually impressive film but once that wears off it's not all that impressive. Anybody thinking this film is comparable to peak Pixar or peak Ghibli is on drugs.
It's good as a Miles vehicle, it's good for Spot, it's good for visuals and even the music is solid if lesser than ITSV. It's such a fundamental misunderstanding of Peter's responsibility as well as a horrendous use of Ben Reilly as well as a bizarre use for Ben. It's very clearly the writers have favorite Spider characters. It's why Peter, Peni, Ham and Noir get sidelined and are reduced to a minor role and cameos respectively
>It's good as a Miles vehicle
It really isn't though. Not in the long run. It just makes him come across less appealing the more they have to bend everyone over backwards to validate him.
The first half genuinely nails a Spider-Man movies beats
>Miles trying to balance his personal life and Spidey shit while fumbling it
>Spot's an engaging villain
>gets me involved with the character and wants me to see the little dude come out on top while he's struggling
The moment he enters the Spider Society tho it kinda collapses.
>The moment he enters the Spider Society tho it kinda collapses.
Honestly kind of agree. I've never heard any Miles critique from before he enters the spider society, only after he does.
The beggining of the movie honestly made me want a solo miles or gwen movie more than a spiderverse film.
It kinda highlights that Spider-Man is, at its core, street-level. It feels at its best when the highest threat level is only city-wide. It's kinda the same feel I get with DC and Suicide Squad where it's best as a black ops type thing but keeps getting thrown into fighting cosmic shit.
That just a symptom of popularity.
Once a fictional character or characters become popular enough, they'll be in narratives where they are fighting or doing things well above their paygrade just because fans will eat it up regardless.
This is exactly why Batman is so wanked.
I agree with this. It feels like the action set-piece was written first and they had to work into justifying it second.
Beats that could've been given to the actual Spider-Man
It’s funny how despite being meant to be a multiverse series, spiderverse is literally at its best when it ignores the multiverse entirely. Hell, into the spiderverse could have completely ignored the multiverse as a concept and just had it be a story about an older, more cynical peter teaching miles how to be a proper spiderman since every other spidey in that film is completely unimportant. It’s almost like making spiderman an multiverse level hero is just making him into an avenger level hero and that some people will blatantly ignore a film’s flaws as long as the animation is good,
People love the "I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW THE THING I RECOGNIZE" shit, it's no better than Mario in that regard
I KNOW WHAT THAT ISS
The funny thing is I actually think most spiderverse fans are the type to make fun of that sort of entertainment, seems like it only really takes an artstyle that you don’t see in every film to make them change their tune.
>older jaded Peter who is worn down by the job
>has to mentor a newer, fresher Spider-Man
>initially tries to blackpill him about the toll it takes on him
>gradually starts to remember the good times seeing Miles going through his first moments like swinging
>Miles developing Venom makes him remember the times he had weird powers like multiple arms or organic webs
Sounds like it'd be a pretty fun movie. All the best ITSV scenes were with Peter B. and Miles anyway.
>Aha, yeah, I remember when I first started developing weird powers.
>*cut to Peter in his room screaming as the extra arms start bursting out of his sides*
>..you got off a little easier than I did though.
>"What about the organic web-"
>Ok, first rule of being Spider-Man, we never talk about organic webbing. Ever.
>"I thought 'With great power comes great responsibility was the first rule?'"
>They're both rule 1.
Man, I want it.
He's already been validated by racists seething hatred. They won't stfu about him
Oh please. These "racists" have been Mile's only defense since he was created.
Oh you know damn well Miles is just gonna rip off the ending of No way home.
>It's why Peter, Peni, Ham and Noir got sidelined and are reduced to a minor role and cameos respectively
They got sidelined so the writers could have more room to introduce new spider people without the cast feeling too bloated.
>have a cast of underdeveloped characters like Ham, Noir and Peni
>decide to introduce even more characters without developing the original ones
I like Spider-Punk and Pavitr well enough but like the story feels ADHD
>Uhhhhh Gwen plot
>Miles and Spot Plot
>Spider-Society Plot
>Gwen plot
Like did the writers wanna write a miniseries instead of a movie?
>it's good for Spot
Why would you lie like that?
Spot was the highlight and they should have never removed the Bar With No Name scene that would have shown more parallels between him and Miles.
Ah, misunderstood as "good for the character of Spot", not "good for having included Spot"
>It's very clearly the writers have favorite Spider characters. It's why Peter, Peni, Ham and Noir get sidelined and are reduced to a minor role and cameos respectively
If the best characters aren't their favorites that's a troubling sign.
>The more you think about it
>The more it falls apart
First time interacting with pop culture?
It's half a movie, I'm not gonna bother trying to think about it until they finish it.
Into the Spider-Verse was better, because it was a film with a clear theme, vision, and story, that honestly would've been best served by not having any sequels but that's not the world we live in.
Why I need to think when I see The Spot has won in this movie
How is Miles supposed to win now? He's a Kaiju sized reality warper, Spiderman is street level, how the frick does he realistically win
Venom blast
Same way he wins every fight he shouldn't: Venom Blast doing whatever the frick the writer wants.
He makes his own watch.
Other spider-man’s distract him while Miles goes invisible then pulls out his electric sword to defeat him.
Peter B and/or Miguel die trying to save Miles from something (that Miles could’ve easily avoided anyway)
this movie was shit compared to the first one, why does everyone love it so much? Is it the references? Miguel? The Spot?
Recency bias, the first is just a superior film in every single respect, right down to the soundtrack.
Movie gays love whatever is current and new. One moment they're all about the MCU then it's Puss in boots then it's Spiderverse
Since this seems to be the first sane ATSV thread on here I finally get to ask but did anyone else just feel a lot of the style of the first movie was just lacking in this one. Like the first one had this very urban pop art aesthetic to it but this one just tossed that style all out for flashy colors.
Yeah I'd agree with that. I think a lot of that is because the first movie was set entirely in Miles' home dimension so they got a chance to really establish the specific visual style of that, but in ATSV they were jumping between different dimensions so there was a lot of surface-level style changes which meant there was never any focus on any one style.
I also think they really missed the mark setting Spider-Society in Neuva York and then making it entirely divorced from the aesthetic of the original 2099 comics, big mistake.
1. Miguel had no reason to tell Miles his dad was going to die. The only reason why this happened was because the dumb writers needed to find some way to move the plot forward.
2. Miles’ moment when he refuses to adhere to the Spider Society’s mandate isn’t the big win that the writers want you to think. In fact, the whole scene falls apart because Miles’ decision is simply just a foregone conclusion he would have made anyways, instead of a stance that he needed to gradually accept in the face of scrutiny and peer pressure
yeah
The very idea of a spider society and CANON EVENTS is just beyond moronic to a point where I think I want to burst a blood vessel
I'm trying to keep an open mind to see how part 2 handles things but the canon events thing definitely falls apart under closer scrutiny. I got the impression that they had all these ideas for cool scenes and different spider-man styles but no clear idea of how to tie them all together. It was visually impressive I'll give them that. The multiverse meta stuff falls apart because then you end up wondering why all these heroes who struggle against impossible odds just resigned themselves to fate and didn't look for a way to get a happy ending for everyone. Big offender there was having Peter B. Parker just accept things for so long. I really expected him to point to his daughter as proof against accepting canon events since his interaction with Miles led to him patching up his life and her birth.
And then there's the behind the scenes issues like the hardcore crunch people had to go through because the head honcho producer/co-writer loved to make granular last minute changes but expected final render level quality due to his inability to visualize based on early stage drafts.
>the canon events thing definitely falls apart under closer scrutiny
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to. E.g. like you said, Peter B.'s patched up marriage and daughter only happened because of his experiences in other universes, which "shouldn't have" happened if Miguel's canon events theory is true. What if, "canonically," Peter B. was supposed to be a divorced, childless, middle aged, jaded sadsack? Why hasn't his universe fallen apart yet then?
>Miguel explains canon events
>Miles assumes his uncle dying was his
>Hobie tells him the truth
>Miguel gets agitated and captures Miles
>escape sequence
You don't even have to change that much to make it make sense.
that also happens with batman: the dark knight rises
The trick is not to think about it, or any media you like, too critically.
>First movie tells a heartfelt story about a young kid realizing that anyone can where the mask.
>Second film, actually yeah so here's a random sub plot added in the last 5 minutes of an action sequence to show how Miles is valid as Spider-Man.
Why did they feel the need to do this. No one who likes these movies had a problem with Miles as Spider-Man. We like the little dude and even had gay video essayist making videos on how the first one fixed his character.
Bumpin this because it's rare for a thread in here to not give me a headache. I feel too the movie is going to not age well with time. I got a feeling that relying on Beyond the Spiderverse to wrap everything up might bite them in the ass in the future.
I legit think beyond will be the shrek 3 of the 2020s, just like shrek, spiderverse came out at a time where disney was doing pretty bad and was a trendsetter for later films and even culture to a degree, but after two well received films, the third film would end up ruining the franchise’s reputation as a whole, even with a fourth film that attempted to repair the brand and at least end the series pn a good note. While beyond won’t fail for the same reasons as shrek 3, it will most likely fail as their animation practices haven’t been the best, possibly only getting worse over tine, and there is truly no satisfying way to end off the plot across started. It’ll be funny to see if miles and gwen end up like meme characters the same way shrek did
>And there is truly no satisfying way to end off the plot across started.
Pretty much. With how this is going, it'll be either A. Everyone gets what they want at the end, spot is defeated, and canon events no longer exist (which is just lame), or B. Someone has to sacrifice something whether it be someone dying or Miles and Gwen not ending up together. If it's the latter, then there will be backlash without a doubt especially when it comes to shipping considering how many people push those two together.
Bros
>spends the whole movie having other people telling him who/what he should be or is supposed to be, completely deaf to his own dreams and desires, and is starting to crack under the pressure of everyone's sky-high expectations and trying to balance everything in one of the most turbulent times in a young person's life
It's a solid enough premise, but this whole "Miles must always be right" mandate Marvel seems to have absolutely kills it.
the pacing/structure is horrible, there's no third act. It's story is so incomplete that it's hard to judge it, since nothing is resolved by the end.
I mean usually this sort of writing and filmmaking would be mercilessly hammered by critics and audiences for being unfinished and obviously sequel-baity but Spider-Verse toes the diversity line and "owns" the Disneyslop so everyone gives it a pass. I genuinely can't think of the last time a movie just didn't have an ending to any of its setup.
I wish the first movie was about teen Ultimate Peter getting tutored by older 616 Peter with no other multiverse bullshit thrown in. It would be a neat way to show how the Mainline and Ultimate universes mirror each other, while having a plot about a young Pete growing into his role as Spider-Man as the older Pete gets his groove back by seeing a younger version of himself, reminding him of what Spider-Man is all about and going back to the basics, to what matters.
You made the mistake of assuming the movies are about Spider-Man rather than political racial agenda. They'd sooner get rid of Spider-Man than their race fetish.
Saying schizo homosexual shit like that doesn't help the situation either, moron
How is it schizo when the directors admitted it proudly?
Literally has no Act 3
No, the chase scene is not an act 3
Canon events are a fundamentally bad plot device and shouldn’t have been used as the central conflict of the film
ITT seething Pete cucks that Miles headline the best piece of spider-media this year
Shalom, rabbi.
miles is afro-latino not israeli, israel number supports are white boomers (like petey, a character created by israelites)
omega cope, pete has like 2 minutes of screen time and the animation industry is inherently exploitative like the VFX artist that worked on the homecoming trilogy
>the animation industry is inherently exploitative like the VFX artist that worked on the homecoming trilogy
Yeah but Peter has been consistently successful for 60 years even in non-exploitative projects and mediums, meanwhile Miles *needs* the exploitation or everyone shits on him like in the second game. The second Spider-Verse trilogy is over everyone will turn on him.
no he's not the Peter's franchise hinged on marvel and a israelite fricking over Ditko, keep coping homosexual
>Peter's franchise hinged on marvel
Other way around lmao, they had to keep adding him to other shit to keep it afloat because he was so much more successful than everything else
learn to read petertard
>petertard
>peterfanatics
Milesgay is getting desperate!
you literally create entire threads to seethe about miles non-stop, your so desperate that you let miles live rent free in your head
>when your head is zoned for section 8
>twitter admitted Miles is only important to be black
>Bendis admitted he made Miles only to be black
>Spider-Verse creators admitted they only made the movies to legitimize Spider-Man but black
>Milesgay still can't bring himself to admit he only likes Miles because he brings the black culture war to the Spider-Man IP
One day Milesgay, one day
More Milesgay seething that his """character""" can only exist when lifted up by the entire 60 years of the IP's history sacrificed for his sake and the slave driven exploitation of 1000s of animators and artists, or else everyone starts noticing what a shit worthless character he is
The target audience for this movie is black, this is a non-issue.
>The target audience for this movie is too small for it to turn a profit
> made 600,000
its made for non-chuds and a new generation of spider-fans beyond just petercucks, face it homie, you've been replaced!
its the first half of two different movies spliced together
the fact it made 600M is clear evidence that its audience was not just black people dipshit
the target audience are non-chuds, meaning they aren't racists like peterfanatics
>The target audience for this movie is black
So, unpopular take. Miles himself isn't the problem
The problem is they're trying to force a "Spider-Men"/"Spider Family"/"Spider Verse" brand then retroactively figuring out what makes each reskin different.
The first Spiderverse actually lays a good foundation for Miles as being more cautious and analytical than Peter with powers complimenting that, struggling to take leaps of faith.
But the Spiders themselves just feel way more artificial than the Bat Family.
They stretched out half a movie. The beginning is pretty boring as hell.
I think it's good, not as good as the first movie but for a part 1 of 2 I enjoyed it so far.
That was true for the first one as well, these movies are extremely style over substance.
It's a visually impressive film but once that wears off it's not all that impressive. Anybody thinking this film is comparable to peak Pixar or peak Ghibli is on drugs.
your right, its much better and not childish slop or pedo bait