The most salt-generating cartoon in the Sonic community celebrates 30 years since its debut.
The most salt-generating cartoon in the Sonic community celebrates 30 years since its debut.
The most salt-generating cartoon in the Sonic community celebrates 30 years since its debut.
Last week I learned that Sally's dad is supposed to be a fox
Salt? Or porn?
They're squirrels, hence the name Acorn. Sally just lacks a tail for reasons I don't remember.
Her dad is a squirrel and her mother is a chipmonk. Typical of cartoon logic Sally looks like a clone of her mother and her brother looks like her dad minus the facial hair
>They're squirrels, hence the name Acorn.
I don't think they ever settled on whether she's a squirrel or a chipmunk.
Aw but remember that Sally's main love interests are a hedgehog and whatever Antoine is supposed to be in this show. The Acorns love their race mixing.
That just sounds like bullshit given the last name.
Only in the TV show, King Acorn was meant to be a fox and the Mother was likely a squirrel or a chipmunk. In the comic, they settled for Sally being a chipmunk, her father a squirrel and her mother a chipmunk.
Must have been a political marriage.
Don't forget how they all have human DNA spliced into them because of the Xorda gene bombs.
foul taste. thankfully noncanon
I doubt it but fox Elias would be even sexier
That don't make no sense.
Is Tails her brother?stn84n
Wearing my diaper to work as a display of remembrance
Early Archie far surpasses both
>A stiffly drawn Satam-inspired Robotnik doing his plots from what looks like the corner room of a big factory.
>vs anything about Milton Knight's Robotnik
No.
Why is this show so associated with diapers and autism and fetish shit? Why can't it just be a regular old cartoon?
>Why can't it just be a regular old cartoon?
All old cartoons are associated with weird fetishes.
I don't recall anything of SatAM where it literally show someone defecating literally. You're disingenuous and the only one who likely has a diaper fetish what with how much you love associating the cartoon with diapers.
>I don't recall anything of SatAM where it literally show someone defecating literally.
No, it's due to a particularly obnoxious fan who prominently put himself in view of everyone and tried several time to be the representative face of the fandom while he was repeatedly banned from different website and forum for refusing to shut up and calm down who also turned up to be a diaper fetishist.
More organically, SatAM has lead to many people developing furry and mind-control fetishists.
Grow a thick skin.
?
What does your reply has to do with the posts you are quoting?
I could ask the same to you, letting one bad apple literally show your entirety perception of a show.
>I could ask the same to you
Anon asked why some people associated the show with diaper fetish and he was given an answer.
>letting one bad apple literally show your entirety perception of a show.
Uh?
What do you mean?
>he was given an answer.
And said answer was dismissed for being petty and retarded.
Wut?
What are you talking about?
Which answer was dismissed, anon? You are not making sense.
>Anon: "Is the SatAM fandom full of freaks?"
>Other anons: "Yes."
>homosexual anon: "GROW THICKER SKIN! DISMISSED! DISMISSED!"
Autist got triggered by honest answers.
Literally not at all what happened.
>Anon: Why do you people literally associate it with retarded fetishes?
>homosexual anon: BECAUSE MUH RICHMUNK RICHMUNK RICHMUNK
>Anon: Grow up.
>homosexual anon: proceeds to screech up ever further.
No anon.
Someone specifically asked why there was diaper fetish linked to that show when there is no such material in it to begin with and a complete answer was provided, explaining the actual details, which was followed by a nonsensical answer of growing a thicker skin and when asked to clarify, said the anon who provided the answer dismissed the answer, which doesn't make sense.
Link that shit, sounds hilarious.
>and a complete answer was provided
The complete answer sums up to admitting to let some mentally ill retarded furfag live rent-free in your mind. Your answer just tell us you're completely insecure. It's no wonder why would one dismiss it.
>The complete answer sums up to admitting to let some mentally ill retarded furfag live rent-free in your mind.
>why is there snails here?
>someone brought snails here and released them despite many telling him not to.
>gee are you obsessed with the snail-bringer or what?
I am not the one who asked why it was associated with diaper fetish, anon. I simply answered a question and anon there
followed by a complete non-sense.
Autism.
Yeah, anon there
Probably has it. He is not making sense.
Autism.
Yeah, getting a clear answer and getting upset by it is a good sign of it.
Autism.
you have said it already.
Autism.
Yes anon, you can write this word, we know.
Now how about you learn to use it within context?
Autism.
More like responding restlessly to posts calling you out while lacking self-awareness whatsoever. You're the one being autistic, likely even samefagging it all and doing a puppet show for people to fall in your falseflagging shit.
Just report and hide. Don't give Archieschizo a slight ounce of attention to him.
Pretty sure archieschozo was
Now use that word appropriately.
>More like responding restlessly to posts calling you out while lacking self-awareness whatsoever.
What was called out exactly? All I am seeing is an anon badly reacting to an actual answer after having completely lost their shit there
SatAM haters are something else.
How are you getting any hate from any of those replies?
Read the room.
And? None of those post indicate hate for the show.
You're really naive.
?
From what I can see, the one who said "grow up" is the one who dismissed the answer.
>he was given an answer.
Literal trauma cranked up by random retards decades ago hardly constitutes an answer
There is no "trauma" pointing out a group of weirdos, snowflake.
>There is no "trauma"
Your entire response was a huge projection and bears absolutely no reality whatsoever
You're letting one random mentally ill retarded guy dictate your feelings
I'm not the anon with the longer comment.
>Your entire response was a huge projection
No, it was an explanation to the question asked there
>Why is this show so associated with diapers and autism and fetish shit?
And there
>I don't recall anything of SatAM where it literally show someone defecating literally.
Why are you so upset by getting an actual answer that address the point of how the show itself doesn't have focus on defecation?
Because SatAM's fandom is weirder than your average Sonic fan if that was even possible.
The biggest name associated with the show is an adult diaper fetishist.
Really?
The biggest name associated with Sonic as a whole is Chris-chan.
Which is funny because he’s way more into MLP than Sonic. He even went into a TF2 phase for a bit before getting arrested yet he’s only associated with Sonic for some reason.
Not a peep about him being a Pokemon fan either, it's always Sonic despite the eponymous Sonichu.
are you retarded, or are just that stupid?
Relax tardo, from what I've seen people tend to push him as being a Sonic autist more than an Pokemon autist despite the obvious point.
Ken Penders?
Who?
Pamperchu? I thought he was seen as a pillar of the mechanical keyboard community.
Richard Kuta, he tried to make a bootleg SatAm fan film and got shot down by cease and desists. As for the diaper stuff he had a Youtube channel years back dedicated to it where he had multiple videos filming himself in diapers playing in public, that eventually got him evicted from his apartment. But if you want a kick, here's the time he bullshitted his way onto the RebelTaxi podcast
?si=bElfnG7IdT-9gRhN
Ben Hurst is a diaper fetishist?
AoStH had an age regression episode with some very graphic and cringey diaper scenes is why.
everyone forgets that AoStH Sonic also actually battled robotnik for the Chaos Emeralds and collected them all in the end
>the anime
But it's not japanese?
Happy 30th to one of my favourite Sonic characters, Antoine!
Here's to hoping this is as nice as a thread as the aosth anniversary one.
Nice art, anon.
>Here's to hoping this is as nice as a thread as the aosth anniversary one.
It won't be.
Sorry but I did not draw that
My mistake. Still, the art is nice.
How do you guys feel about their modernized designs to fit in with the mainstream Sonic style?
I told you so:
I like your style, Anon
>Doesn't wear clothes
>No one bats an eye
HOW
She's wearing a vest...
And Sonic a backpack.
>doesn't even wear shoes or gloves
KNEEL
>>No one bats an eye
There has been actually a lot of people in the fandom complaining about that.
pussies : out
Humans only wear clothing from lack of fur.
Half of Sonics characters only wear shoes and gloves
They're all male.
Dodonpa, though.
I just think Bunnie and Lupe are hotter.
She's wearing boots and a vest you dummy.
Different time
>>No one bats an eye
Why would they? That's the only reason people care about the show.
I can understand some people being bothered by Archie Sally depending on the artist but I honestly can't see anything wrong there.
Because no one back then was a coomer like you
Yeah anon I'm sure the guy that made
did it for totally innocent reasons.
Yeah I scrolled a bit more and anon later said that he didn’t make it so oh well, it’s still nice art form whoever made it.
she is literally wearing a vest and boots
if you got boners just seeing her on screen you might be a perma virgin
So how exactly did this and AoSTH wind up in production at the same time? Apparently the animators of each show didn’t know about the other? But that can’t possibly be the case.
Well, the good news is, you'll get a complete answer today as this guy
https://twitter.com/SatamHistorian/with_replies
Is releasing a documentary about the work of Ben Hurst on this show.
But the short answer is, it was supposed to be one show more in line with what the Archie Sonic comic was at the time as you can see in the pilot, there:
Bu then it was announced they would make a second show at the same time, so they took the plot of the pilot and gave it a more serious tone, while also starting to make AoStH, with a more silly approach.
Did you know you can legally watch the whole series online on the the official wildbrain channel?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVLLjN9wKHROAG1F4wnFFqp-cie7Wa-S0
This is the show in its original 480p resolution, though you can find upscaled version to 1080p on this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@SonicTheHedgehogWildBrain/
Mondo cool show, one of its reasons being for spawning the most underrated, cutest qt to ever come.
I can do you better. Have a MEGA of about all of the show + extras, in highest quality to ever grace:
aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci9peFltU1l4RCNqcDQ2eTFyYnBmcDJWdG5WTDRjZ3NB
Base64 encoded, obviously.
Care to explain deeper on why you like it so much?
Also thanks for the link
Not the anon, but for me, the concept of Roboticization was fascinating.
It was a carton show with high stakes. A bunch of rag-team uniting to defeat the power that be was also an instant hook.
And I loved the banters between Sonic and sally. Also, the half-roboticized design of Bunnie had instantly hooked me. as aten+ something boy, I'll admit the character design of the female characters did something to me.
Less legal, but much better. Thanks.
>/sthg/
>sonic community
Delusional
>/sthg/
Surely you haven't seen how people on this board react to it.
Plus at large it does seem to drum up some ire.
I won't deny there are actual issues with it but are they enough to overshadow everything this show does correctly? I'd argue no.
They are crossposters, retard
Satam was in general, a mid cartoon.
That's all it needed to be at the time. Just something for the kiddies to pour out more shekels
>this show that actually had lore and serious plotlines got kids to buy more sonic video games
you're right. adventures is zany shlock that didn't put forth what the video game story was about, which was freedom from tyranny, animal rights and respecting the environment. i agree that adventures did nothing for the franchise since the archie comic didn't remain slapstick and nothing about the franchise became slapstick
ASotH did more for this franchise then Satam ever did.
Both are literal diaper shit fanfiction that never mattered.
SATAM is the Sonic version of pic related.
With every passing year I appreciate Bunnie more and more.
Instead of Sally, what if Bunnie was Sonic's love interest? What would that look like?
It would for a better battle couple at least. Hell, her being a cyborg would make the nature vs machine theme more interesting.
And we're still dealing with the aftereffects.
Good riddance.
to be fair Bo, Sonic only had a handful of games at the time and the Japanese canon wouldn't be available for several years so DiC and Archie had to make up crap on the fly.
That's still no excuse for green wizard robotnic.
Like seriously where did that even come from and if they were ever willing to entertain that shit why trust anything else they do?
Reminder that Sally is the only girl Sonic has ever impregnated. This facts causes all other shippers to seethe.
>Laughs in Bardonic
You think that even matters to men of true culture?
Brown Tails looks ugly.
Why is Sonic always called the leader of the Freedom Fighters when he never demonstrates any real leadership skills? As an adult watching the show I would never call Sonic the leader, he's just their greatest asset.
To satisfy his ego
>Why is Sonic always called the leader of the Freedom Fighters
He was? I don't recall. I could have sworn Sally was referred to as the leader, but that could be me remembering the comics over the cartoon. But even in the cartoon I remember everyone taking orders from Sally so it's weird they would call Sonic the leader.
In one episode (the debut of Ixis Naugus in fact), Naugus used magic to hyptnotize Bunnie & Sally to reveal who Sonic is, Sally identified him as "their leader".
Though I really wouldn't read too much into it: It was probably an executive decision to change the script to make it claim Sonic was the leader, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.
They probably thought boys wouldn't watch a show where the girl was the boss and not Sonic.
Because the fastest thing alive TAKES THE LEAD.
For those interested, a re-animated project for one of the episode just got out:
Why make another thread, just keep it here.
Thread here is about the 30th anniversary, didn't feel like it was the main subject.
It's not like it was the first episode that aired either.
Thread died with not much replies, you might have been right. Here is the video, for anyone interested.
And if you just care about seeing the best bite, it's probably this.
>> yfw 30 years ago you'd expected Sally to be in Sonic CD only to see some pink hedgehog instead.
That Sovereign gif is apropos. Imagine the Dead Sea young SatAm fans pissed out while SoJ silently ROFL'd
Surprised they never made a special to promote CD given how a lot of its ideas would fit right in with SaTAM
Yeah I was also disappointed that neither SatAm nor AoSTH would have a storyline adaptation of 3.
Then again who would even voiced Knuckles?
Don’t worry we got underground for that
>Sonic Prime is the first DiC Sonic cartoon to have Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles
It took them almost 30 years, but we got it.
Sonic Prime is from DIC?
DIC is dead, Anon.
So's SatAM and yet here we are thanks to a bizarre mix of autism, furry fetishism, and jingoistic racism.
...Racism?
You haven't noticed the seething hatred for anything coming out of Sega of Japan?
Oh, that. Well, they have it coming.
To be fair, considering how they've been handling their franchises, you'd be pissed at them too.
The Sega franchises I consume are Sonic, Yakuza, and Persona, so I've never understood why they get the level of hate they do.
Even the worst sonic games still have good music and IMO the franchise is on an upswing and has been since Colors.
>criticizing about games being bad or shovelware = jingoistic racism
You're just as bad.
Except not all the games are bad or shovelware, being produced in America isn't a guaranteed mark of quality, and Sonic X isn't a game at all yet triggers fags here relentlessly.
>Except not all the games are bad or shovelware
The ones after 2000s except Mania is.
>being produced in America isn't a guaranteed mark of quality
No one here but you ever said that.
>and Sonic X isn't a game at all yet triggers fags here relentlessly.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Sonic Prime is produce by Wildbrain, who owns DHX, who owns Cookie Jar Group, who merged with DiC Entertainment.
I was gonna correct you until I saw DiC. I had no idea WildBrain was behind Prime. Those guys really have a monopoly on Sonic cartoons, huh?
>who would even voice knuckles?
Reginald Veljohnson just for family matters references.
Ian James Corlett probably. Would be a good fit for AoSTH
>Then again who would even voiced Knuckles?
I dunno, maybe some kind of voice actor? You fucking dipshit.
They used to show Sonic Underground on TV when I was a kid. Wish I got the superior version
The show is fine but it's funny people think it's this super serious dark cartoon and it's not, it's just typical kids adventure cartoon of the era full of goofy stuff.
"Evil has conquered the planet/galaxy and the good guys are a band of rebels holed up in the woods" feels like a darker premise for cartoons than "a bunch of bad guys with no political power threaten us."
Ehh it's no darker than anything else.
>The show is fine but it's funny people think it's this super serious dark cartoon and it's not, it's just typical kids adventure cartoon of the era full of goofy stuff.
I think it speaks volumes of this fandom when you can call the show where Robotnik was an evil overlord that conquered the planet and Sonic & friends are forced to fight for survival as "goofy"
But the minute you don't revere the color saturated, overly-dramatic, anime inspired 3D games with the super forms & the edgy monsters as "Serious" , you get crucified.
Fucking double standards, I tell you
>But the minute you don't revere the color saturated, overly-dramatic, anime inspired 3D games with the super forms & the edgy monsters as "Serious" , you get crucified.
I think almost everyone in the fandom make fun of the Shadow the Hedgehog game as well as 06.
Dude, then you haven't met Adventurefags.
Some of them legit think 06's plot is good (or at least the Shadow and Silver stories are).
I don't see people defend the plot of Shadow, but that's probably because Shadow's plot is so broken by the CYOA gameplay.
>Dude, then you haven't met Adventurefags.
well, almost all Sonic fans liked the Adventure Games, so...
Also, it's kinda funny, when you think about it. Fans thought that Sonic was the greatest thing ever by Adventure 2 and many loved the Advenutre game. There was still enjoyment for Battle and Heroes, but when the Shadow game came, it's not just that fans considered bad or that they even predicted it would be bad when it was announced, it's that it was actually expected that the Sonic Franchise was dying and that it was expected the next game would be shit.
Like somehow, at some point, right after Heroes, the mindset was that Sonic was now a bad franchise. At least that's how I remember it back then, when I wasn't really a sonic of Sega fan, but was seeing it as a Nintendo fan.
Thinking back about it now, it's incredible how fast the fandom turned sour after the death of the Dreamcast.
>well, almost all Sonic fans liked the Adventure Games, so...
Not at all.
And Heroes was also divisive.
>At least that's how I remember it back then, when I wasn't really a sonic of Sega fan, but was seeing it as a Nintendo fan.
That explains everything,
>well, almost all Sonic fans liked the Adventure Games,
This wasn't true in my experience. Especially with the second one. Me and my friend were big fans of Sonic crap growing up but neither of us even bothered finishing that game.
I believe the schism happened during the Saturn Era
I wouldn't say "schism" is the right word for that.
That would imply that there was division among the fanbase.
3D Blast just disappointing and was treated as filler & as much as I love Sonic R, it just confused people looking for the first 3D Sonic. (That would be Fighters FYI)
SA1 was the game I felt heralded divide in the gaming community between those who felt off about Modern Sonic and those who embraced him. SA2 solidified that divide and the rest of the games just kept alienating regular games from Sonic until 06 was the final nail on that coffin.
Saturn was such a nothing era that there couldn't be any schism (unless you're talking about Sega's Eastern and Western halves hating each other).
SA1 was definately the dividing point, through there's a point to be made about it actually being SA2B on the Gamecube.
Sonic had no real games to help ease the transition from 2D to 3D. He was more loose and finicky than the Greased Up Deaf Guy in Flickies Island, Sonic World in Jam was a tech demo, and R was just R. Xtreme was stillborn due SoA and SoJ's internal rivalry
yep. and that was the factor
>I think almost everyone in the fandom make fun of the Shadow the Hedgehog game as well as 06.
Only the ones with any common sense (which is few in number unfortunately)
Every other Sonicfag has deluded themselves into thinking ShtH and 06 are flawed masterpieces that wasn't appreciated in their time & "dared to be more" or some weird cope like that.
But I'm saying it goes further - like if you dodn't consider the Adventure games P E A K F I C T I O N or pray at the altar of Shiro Maekawa, you'll get fucking eaten.
Even Flynnfags have a hard time getting along with most Sonicfags.
>but what do Sonic fans hate about that one
>Took Izuka's claims of being "canon" to heart only to find out it's just another AU
>Sonic being an immature dummy to set up character development makes fags reeee
>Shadow jobbing
>lack of Blaze & Silver
>lack of Classic Sonic (YMMV on that one)
> Green Hill Zone
>Not an anime
The only reasonable complaints is that Amy has no personality outside her variants & the show should have just been a movie
>The only reasonable complaints is that Amy has no personality outside her variants
It's not a very fair complain when she has barely been in it.
Yeah, but in the brief flashbacks you get with the regular characters, you get a sense of what they're all about and they are more or less in line with their game counterparts.
And then there is Amy who is just
"I love nature. Nature is great. Don't you think Nature is great, Sonic?"
Because everyone involved is deathly afraid of making a girl who likes romance or femininity (which is weird because that is what Amy is known for)
>The only reasonable complaints is that Amy has no personality outside her variants & the show should have just been a movie
That's most of the main universe characters aside from Sonic and Shadow though.
I wish I kept the DVD set I had of this as a kid, cost so much now.
There’s going to be a new release of the DVD.
I hope so. I like the show but the cover art they chose for the DVD might be the ugliest DVD art ever made. I've seen dollar store PD Bugs Bunny VHS box art that looks better.
The new release is shit apparently. Compressed to hell to get each season to fit onto it's own disc.
The guy who bought it and gave his thoughts says it looks worse than the VHS releases
Can you post an actual screenshot at least? I highly doubt the DVD set will have the episodes at 1440p.
It was the only image I saw when I posted it. Here's an actual screencap by another dude
https://twitter.com/Soundout12/status/1704557893364986132
Damn it, I was really looking forward to getting it too.
There’s a new official dvd set out now.
Currently $15 on Amazon. Would post link but the site is not letting me
I simply cannot forgive SatAM for being ground zero for the first wave of Sonic weirdos
Imagine growing up with a character like Antoine rather than someone like Shadow. SAD.
Imagine growing up with Sonic rather than Mario.
I dunno. SatAM is the same huge departure from canon DiC cartoon as Super Mario Brothers Super Show, and up until like, a year or so ago, we all laughed because autists like Dobson were the only ones still attached to it in any meaningful way.
Then Illumination made the Brooklyn origin from that cartoon canon again and I don't know what to think. I can only hope SatAM fags don't ever get that same level of validation.
I can only hope you can one day learn to not seek validation ever because you sound like the most insecure fag ever. As if unironically thinking growing with Shadow is objectively better didn't show enough of your beta personality.
Shadow is an objectively better character than anyone on SatAM
Way to miss the point.
Dude, I was born in 85.
I grew up with AoStH.
>I grew up
I doubt that.
I grew up with both....
>I grew up with both....
Well la-dee-da Mr. Rich Boy with multiple consoles!
It's called buy things used.
>it's 2008
>you're on newgrounds watching Super Mario Bros bloopers
>you got your yoo-hoo, bag of chips, a nice cover to keep you warm
>a nice cool summer breeze fills the room, the sun is out and is just warm enough
Nothing can ever recapture that feeling. Nothing.
Pretty sure Ground zero for Sonic was the Sonic game itself.
imagine liking shadow, the "edgy sonic"
Antoine only deserves to be praised in the comics because the dude actually becomes an actual chad.
He is insufferable in SatAM and if could reach through the TV screen to strangle him I would.
Better than Sonic Prime
>Wtf why doesn't Tails do anything and why is Sonic hanging out with girls?
Six year old me watching this.
Turn off that trite and put on Sonic Underground before I get angry, bitch.
Based Tamers doesn’t hate SATAM, he appreciates that Sonic is still a fatass in it. Don’t lump it together with M*dern S*nic.
Why does Tails use his tails to fly in the pilot episode, yet he never uses them in the entirety of Season 1?
Anybody order the rerelease of the complete series? I was thinking about getting it because my copies of the original are all scratched up.
Autism.
>a male and a female kissing????
>AUTISM!!!
Don't deny it, you know it's true
Those times Sonic kissed Sally herself. Amy wishes she had that.
The apparent lips were always weird to me. Kinda put me off a little during the final.
you mean i watched a furry cartoon and all i got out of it was a desire for older women which led me to talking to older women and having sex with them?
wow this is awful. i'm devastated. how will i recover? maybe i should have watched adventures instead and stayed a virgin
Why was she such a whore?
Sonic the Hedgehog ReJuiced - Sonic Racer - SatAM Anniversary Reanimation Collab (4K)
well, Cinemaphile?
Ugly. All of it. Why do autists always feel the need to draw these cute little corporate mascot characters with super long legs and buff bodies? Like they're trying to be turned on by it or something.
All I care about is PINGAS
>The most salt-generating cartoon in the Sonic community
That's a nice way of saying "most autism-triggering cartoon in the Sonic community".
What’s the difference?
Normal people get salty. Sonic autists ree.
>assuming anyone on Cinemaphile is normal
Sonic autists are a special case. The average person gets upset when they overdraw their bank account or run over their foot with their car. Sonic autists get upset over...blue arms.
BLARMS! And green eyes
That's not underground.
No one defends that.
...
Well I have seen people do it but I recoil in disgust before trying to process what they said.
>"most autism-triggering cartoon in the Sonic community".
That is neither Boom nor Prime.
Nobody cares enough about Prime to have a meltdown over it.
I've never seen Prime nor do I have interest in ever doing so, but what do Sonic fans hate about that one? From the few snippets I saw it looked like cutscenes from the modern games.
>but what do Sonic fans hate about that one?
Mostly wasted potential.
But I think most fans like a few of the AU characters introduced like None, Dread and Rusty Rose.
>None
*Nine
I can understand why. It's the source of a lot of OC craziness in the franchise and the least game-accurate Sonic show to date.
Maybe it is but that distinction also allows it to stand out and gives it a better identity. It does something different than the rest of the franchise.
>It's the source of a lot of OC craziness in the franchis
That's Adventure 2.
>the least game-accurate Sonic show to date.
how's that even a problem when the games don't fucking know what to do with sonic for over a decade
Most of the OCs are made by kids who have never even heard of the show before.
>The most salt-generating cartoon in the Sonic community
Is it? But it's the only halfway good Sonic cartoon.
The Acorns are nice
It's an interesting relic of the time, back when the IP wasn't as defined so you could make either a Looney Tunes ripoff or a dystopian adventure story and still have both of them work. As a kid I was kind of confused by it because none of the freedom fighters showed up in the games.
I prefer Adventures Robotnik overall though.
called it lol
Kill yourself.
I don't think anyone here has a diaper fetish. But someone got upset to be explained why the diaper fetish is almost just one guy and isn't an actual trend in the fandom.
I assume all Sonicfags wear diapers and eat scat.
luv satam
hate some of its fans
simple as
I love it too but I hate pretty much all of its fans, because almost every single one I ever met thinks of the show as this super-serious depressing drama and not the ultra-cheesy, fun, 90s-tastic cartoon that it was. There used to be a SatAM fansite and every user in the forums had goth avatars or sigs with fan art of the characters drenched in blood or some such shit.
Yeah, the show is not that dark and i dont get why its always seen as that even by people. Still, there are good people who do nice things even with the vocal minority
DiC exaggerated the idea of a goofy cartoon scientist trapping little animals in hamster-wheel robots into a dictator seeking total organic genocide, and the fans exaggerated it even further.
Can't be worse than /sthg/fags or twitter fags
Probably not. I don't dabble in Sonic communities as I'm not into Sonic outside of the few things relating to it from my childhood.
Not to sound rude but I don't give a flying fuck about that general
>There used to be a SatAM fansite and every user in the forums had goth avatars or sigs with fan art of the characters drenched in blood
Soul
Sounds silly to hate literally everyone who ever like SatAM just because they like to imagine a ideal version of their favorite show.
Where did I say I hate everyone who likes SatAM?
>I hate pretty much all of its fans
??????
I'm the second person you replied to you. My bad.
Ah, okay.
That was my comment. Maybe hate is too strong a word but I generally don't engage people if I know they're fans of the show outside of the people I know in real life, who don't qualify as fans anymore anyway since they're all grown up and have kids now. I used to when I had a deviant art page in the 00s, but looking back they were all really sad, depressed people. The type of people who would text you regularly telling you how they want to kill themselves.
To me it just sounds like they don't actually like the show at all but rather their own weird, warped interpretation of it.
>To me it just sounds like they don't actually like the show at all but rather their own weird, warped interpretation of it.
Unless they're some weird ass purist, you can say that about any Sonic fan really.
yes
Unfortunately this is far too common. It happens with anything Sonic of course but it's bled into all popular fiction. Anything with mild peril is now 'dark.'
Best episode?
Best track?
Best character?
Season 1 or 2?
Any with chuck since I like him
The theme song
Snively
1
>Best episode?
Sonic Conversion
>Best track?
Back to the Future
>Best character?
Bunnie Rabbot
>Season 1 or 2?
Season 2.
Stop trying to seduce me Bunnie...
>Best episode?
Sonic and the Secret Rings or Sonic and Sally
>best track?
haven't seen the show in a while so don't recall
Any of 'em
>Best character?
I like them all, at least from the first season. As a kid I guess Sonic himself, but as an adult I lean towards the others a bit. I like the color pallet of this show, it's very muted and natural than the usual Sonic stuff that looks like somebody spilled a bag of skittles.
>Season 1 or 2?
Season 1 by far.
>deleted
They really can't help themselves
Was it the comic, or the show that came first? I forgot.
The Comic mini series came before the show, but it was based on the early bible of the show an its pilot. So the show started production before the comic and the comic exists because of the show but the comic came out before the first episode of the show aired.
Show first.
What I'm curious about is this book. This book uses the same premise as the mini-series comic that gives Sonic, Chuck, and Robotnik an "origin".
Didn't the comic restate that origin as just a weird imaginary story Sonic thought up when a letter asked about the topic?
I haven't read it in ages so I can't recall.
The book reuses that origin with no irony, though, I can tell you that much.
Okay, yes, it's a "what if".
I wasn't aware of that until now.
Purple suits rotor so much better its not even funny
Kinda off topic, but I really don't get why the writers think making them cry all the time is good.
>I really don't get why the writers think making them cry all the time is good.
The idea of moderation is a foreign idea to modern writers. Crying occasionally when under intense sadness is normal, doing it all the damn time makes you look like a baby.
Personally I blame My Hero Academia and Steven Universe for making them think crying all the damn time is acceptable.
Part of the reason I love the FF is these guys aren't colorful, super powered critters fighting giant robots & cosmic monsters. They are normal furry people against insurmountable odds, carrying the torch of hope by building up tiny victories with teamwork & guile. All of them couldn't take on an Eggman boss fight, but together, they had a chance.
Even the cyborg bunny had to wait until the comic got cooler to get upgrades enough to qualify as a "valid Sonic character". Until then, she was just a bunny with robot strength.
The FF, The Chaotix & The Hooligans are my favorite groups because they are the closest thing to "ground-level" story telling that Sonic will ever be capable of. I'd have hoped that one day, SEGA could just import them into the games and just made them a rag tag group of normies inspired by Sonic who you can tack some side missions to.
And this why I hate Forces so much - not only it failed to do what SatAM/Archie did 30 years ago, but it essentially destroys the need for a Freedom Fighters when any random fucker can pick up a Wispeon and be a Sonic level hero.
And IDW just re-made the Freedom Fighters but made them worse by filling them with crying lesbians.
Sadly their non-Sonic designs (and even their reboot designs) damn them to never be in an official game.
I don’t see why people say this. Sonic has a pretty diverse world. Most characters from other media could fit in.
I don't understand why design is such an important feature to validate a Sonic character.
I mean I know, autisim about character design is how Sonic got famous in the first place, but you think something more important would be the qualifier...
like gameplay mechanics or overall function?
That's a big cope, due to the more brutal truth being Sally without the crew is kinda worthless
Comic characters can't really provide gameplay, considering comics don't have gameplay.
And then there's the whole talk of how much other characters should diviate from Sonic's gameplay.
As for overall function, at this point the game cast already fulfils most functions.
Karin Kanzuki would beg to differ
Karin only worked because she's from a manga and a good chunk of SF characters are based on manga characters. The Freedom Fighters on the other hand are square pegs trying to fit into a Sonic-shaped hole.
>The Freedom Fighters on the other hand are square pegs trying to fit into a Sonic-shaped hole.
In world where everyone from a fox to a crocodile to an 1 ton robot can have run, jump and roll like a super fast hedgehog, these particular set of characters are "square pegs"?
>If you need a character to have a pronounced big flaring "HERE IS THE THING THAT AFFECTS GAMEPLAY" then I sure hope you never ever ingress into game development,
As much as a I agree with you, 2 of the FF (Bunnie and Antoine) has blatant clues to their mechanics (prosthetics and sword).
If one was clever, you can say the same of Sally and Nicole
I dunno. I think comic characters can have an obvious gameplay gimmick, it's just that the freedom fighters suck.
Like, I know this is going to be a point of contention but it's really obvious Tangle was designed to be kind of like a Ristar type character with her tail being a gameplay gimmick.
Tangle and Whisper just honestly kinda feel like an attempt at spliting the avatar abilities across two characters.
Tangle has the grappling hook esque tail while Whisper gets the Wisp based weapons.
I don't read a lot of IDW but the pages I've seen posted here seemed to make the tail magically longer and more versatile than a grappling hook
I mean, the grapling hook also feels like it's as long as the cutscenes want it to be.
Like yeah, it's more expanded, but considering she debuted in the same arc as whisper.
>it's just that the freedom fighters suck.
If you need a character to have a pronounced big flaring "HERE IS THE THING THAT AFFECTS GAMEPLAY" then I sure hope you never ever ingress into game development, because that's one way to out yourself as unimaginative soulless hack who takes everything at face value.
Hey in my defense I think the Freedom Fighters suck for reasons beyond that.
>it's just that the freedom fighters suck.
Pretty much. The only one that can reasonably work is Bunnie, and that's only because of her cybernetics.
>The only one that can reasonably work is Bunnie
We already have two bunny characters.
>and that's only because of her cybernetics.
Tails can literally just infuse himself with cybernetics or some shit. Fuck off coomer.
Calm down fag. I don't care whether or not the FFs come back. I'm just saying that only 1 of them can feasibly be included in the games.
>I don't care whether or not the FFs come back.
And yet you're advocating for one of the literal Disney bootlegs.
hi sqrlyjack
Fuck that nagger and his shitty art and humor.
I find it funny just how every Bunniefag is just like that mentally ill Sqrlyjack fag.
>Pretty much. The only one that can reasonably work is Bunnie, and that's only because of her cybernetics.
Since nobody has the imagination to come up with decent movesets for these characters...
>Bunnie
has access to boost flight, a rocket punch and a shield but they all cost a lot of rings to use. Can swing from things, Bionic Commando style.
>Antoine
Basically Black Knight moveset but with a twist: Antoine can have a "confidence" meter that build up with every successful attack, making Ant move faster, jump higher and have more ways to attack. But you get hit once, and Antoine is back to a coward and he moves slow and has weak options until he fills the meter again.
>Sally
I thought long and hard about this one, and came up with this conclusion - Sally could use Nicole to "hack" into badniks to create support drones or riding vehicles.
See that Motobug? You can ride that Motobug. But they only last one hit & don't last long, plus the hack is very short ranged. By herself, she's Amy w/o the hammer.
>Rotor
I dunno. Something to do with snow and ice. Maybe he makes tools & weapons outta ice. Rotor is so weird and situational, he should just be NPC.
Sally using Nicole as part of her moveset is such a fun idea.
There's one SatAM fangame where she uses Nicole as an energy gun that also allows for double jumps.
As for Rotor, walruses are interesting animals, maybe giving him some advantages related to water could work.
>at this point the game cast already fulfils most functions.
The game cast itself is already superfluous. Why do we need Big when Bark is there? Why Rouge, when Fang exists? Why Shadow when Metal Sonic is there?
Bark doesn't provide fishing gameplay. He might've also not been made by the main Sonic Team, so he gets the Waluigi tax.
Rouge is a secret govement agent who also sometimes steals israeliteels, Fang is just a thief/bounty hunter. Also, bat tats.
Shadow was meant to be in one specific story, but afterwards he was a more hero affiliated rival/resident anti-hero vs Metal Sonic just being a minion for Eggman.
>Bark doesn't provide fishing gameplay.
Polar bears go fishing too, retardo.
>Rouge is a secret govement agent who also sometimes steals israeliteels, Fang is just a thief/bounty hunter. Also, bat tats.
That's a lot of grasping the straws semantics when both can be easily reduced to thieves. I like how you're letting your dick dictate your retarded zoomer mind.
>Shadow was meant to be in one specific story
Exactly, yet they kept him around. It's almost as if they absolutely don't give a shit about the cast beyond Sonic, Eggman and maybe Tails.
>I like how you're letting your dick dictate your retarded zoomer mind.
FFfags don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to this argument. The waifus are the only reason anyone remembers that group as a whole.
>whataboutism
Okay.
It's not whataboutism when *you* introduced the idea that it's only coomers that like Rouge.
>FFfags
*IDWtrannies
>if a character is a good guy or a bad guy is semantics
Please read better next time.
>He might've also not been made by the main Sonic Team
Neither were Amy and Charmy, since they come literally from a manga
Ackchyually, Sega of Japan was involved with the manga. Ohshima said Amy was always intended for the games (they said she carries on Madonna's traits and also likely influenced her modern design but I digress), Charmy on the other hand is the manga immigrant who's a lot different.
Honestly, people are already upset over their favorite characters being benched/not characterized favorably so I'm not surprised about the opposition to bring in more characters that traditionally shared the main character spot to the fight for the current dim lit spotlight.
>Sega of Japan was involved with the manga.
Then where's Cosmo in the games? Chris? Bocoe and Decoe? Tangle? Whisper?
Firstly, I was correcting him anon. But yes, X characters are in the same boat as the others, closed off indefinitely. The most we've ever got from X are references like Vector's crush on Vanilla and Cosmo the potted plant in that official art that can easily be written off as a normal plant. I don't know about Tangle and Whisper, kinda doubt they'll go beyond name drops honestly, but I won't be surprised if they're used for some kind of party game spin off or whatever. They can't even use the ghost trio from the Unleashed short without permission from Marza, they got a small cameo recently in IDW but that was it.
>Bocoe and Decoe?
I mean, Orbot and Cubot fulfill their roles even if I like them better.
>Sally without the crew is kinda worthless
Try telling that to the Sally fags. But frankly, the other FFs don't have much to offer either.
>Sally without the crew is kinda worthless
Only when you refuse to entertain the idea that people are just simping for her.
>Those walls and bed sheets
For a second I thought it was a picture of that thing on my bed
The brutal truth is people only really miss Sally.
I think that Sally is probably the favorite Freedom Fighter, but the Freedom Fighters in general still get a lot of love. Mostly due to the comics anyway.
Which makes it extra weird since Sally is kind of obsolete without the rest of the fighters. Sally without the fighters is always going to be a completely different character; the reboot versions were practically skinwalkers which didn't sit right with a lot.
It's more like they'd be redesigned no matter what and there were a lot of people who hated the reboot designs (at least back then) and prefer the original. Those same people also think their designs could fit and I agree to an extent but let's not pretend Sally wouldn't be changed. That and how Sally and Bunnie's tuffs are mustaches in game so they'd probably get rid of them or at least not make it a part of their muzzles similar to Tangle's.
I'm certain they meant Bark's character, he's the muscle who's a neutral character that likes to fight strong opponents and to go snowboarding as a hobby, the only way his and Big's traits are aligned is when you strip them to being the muscle but a lot of other characters share that trait.
Sega of Japan:
>Let’s make our own version of SatAM (Forces)
*Everyone hates because of shit writing from those two Happy Tree Friends writers*
Sega:
>Well then, everyone must hate SatAM shit nowadays!
But with that aside, good points.
They didn't write Forces through.
>written by Eitaro Toyoda & Makoto Goya
>adapted by Pontac & Graff
Nah. Story has SEGA's dirty finger prints.
So, who is the real villain?
Toyoda and Goya, or Pontac and Graff?
Both, plus Ian.
Is he just playing pretend? He was never old enough to serve as a guard to the King prior to the insurrection.
It might have been just pageantry. He seem like he comes from some youth army school or something.
Not sure if they explained it in the show, but in the comics they say it's his father's jacket
Who can hate this show when it gave us this.
Because it didn't. You're thinking of the other show.
Well, AoStH stem from the SatAM show so it kinda indirectly did.
Eh. All blue hedgehog properties are pretty much the same. Get ring, Go fast, Eat ass, watch the fandom implode because their nostalgia doesn't line up with yours.
Maybe SatAM would gain the validation its fans are so desperate for if they didn't spend most of their time sperging out about the other 31 years of the franchise history.
How are they any different from Genwunners?
They really don't, though.
>its fans
At this point, the majority of them gotta be 40, right? If they even still partake in "fandom" of any kind.
That sounds a lot like your projection, even more when we're literally posting in Cinemaphile, a place with the most amount of 30s and 40s too.
>your projection
As somebody who has been around Sonic fandom since the 90s, I rarely see anybody talk about SatAm anymore. And the individuals who I'm familiar with who were fans of it have almost all disappeared. People eventually do grow up, even autistic people.
Your anecdotal experience is not representative of reality. People do row up, but other new people come in their place more or less.
yeah but that's not my point, I'm talking about SatAM fans in particular. New Sonic fans aren't getting into a 30-year old cartoon, they're watching Sonic Boom or whatever the hell the newest shit is.
Of course the average middling Sonic fan would gobble up new shit no matter what, but that doesn't mean no one ever is bothering with any old shit. There's still ton of artists on Twitter making things for SatAM and Archie and other, especially because of SatAM being easily available to watch.
Unironically even, the new Sonic shit makes them turn back to old shit to revisit.
doubt
Cinemaphile is neither representative of internet.
OK bro, I'm sure you believe there's tons of young SatAM fans out there.Whatever helps you cope.
The only one here who needs to cope is you and your weird grievance over a bunch of people who just like something you don't. Move on.
I've never seen new fans say anything nice about SatAM itself. Just Archie.
I thought OP was exaggerating a bit but he's actually right.
The amount of butthurt this cartoon causes is unreal.
The fact that it's just a harmless action show with a slightly bleak setting makes that even funnier.
BLUE STREAK
I think it's kinda sad people have these fights over characters because of the franchise wide problem of characters just not being used well. It's a real shame this isn't a better series.
Feels weird to be accused of being a boomer by default if I say I like satam to others when I’m a 20 something person.
I mean it's that or you have awful taste. Pick your poison, man.
>or you have awful taste.
You're preconditioned to awful taste for liking anything Sonic after the genesis trilogy. Don't fool yourself
I don't like much of it. There's good bits here and there but a lot is on about the same level as SatAM. Some of it's worse, some of its better. Few bits are genuinely great, like some of the shorts and a handful of games.
I mean of course it's not entirely bad. It had good ideas and the character archetypes and designs are nice. The background paintings were usually great. It's mostly writing problems that stick it at "boring at best." If you're aware of other cartoons like it, there's not much there for you. Meanwhile its sister show was "pretty good" and still has some value even if you've watched the classics it riffs on.
It's not a trainwreck. It's just kinda bad.
I know it has flaws, and i've discussed them with other people before. And I have watched a good amount of the sister show but honestly just wasnt for me I but hold no ill will towards aosth fans. Personally It justs clicks with me more even with my misgivings towards it.
I guess, man. I'd just say watch more adventure cartoons. SatAM isn't a very good one. If you like it anyway, good on you I guess. It just doesn't have much going for it unless something in you just really digs the vibe.
Just, to be really clear, it's cool if you just like it in spite of itself. Everyone has stuff like that. People give SatAM fans shit because most of the ones online don't actually engage with discussion and try to pretend it's something it isn't. The hate is aimed at the "Wow, what an incredible show, THIS should be Sonic as a brand!" crowd, not the "Yeah, it has problems, I just like it" crowd.
I get it. It's just a shame there's just some frankly obnoxious and sometimes awful fans who are the loudest. But the good thing for me at least is there are some chill people too and cool stuff made like that reanimated thing that was posted.
I'm just glad there's enough Archie content that people who like what the show wanted to be got a few good stories out of it. I think the comics are mostly decent and occasionally good and I'd imagine people who vibe with the show got something out of it.
>The hate is aimed at the "Wow, what an incredible show, THIS should be Sonic as a brand!" crowd
That's literally a lot of Sonic fans on the internet, not just them. People like Lange, KKM and SNick_ST, Guywiththepie do this shit, yet you keep focusing only a small part of the entire tumor. You're being biased and disingenuous. Why the double standards?
You are visibly getting bothered by the thought of someone liking something you don't.
>You are visibly getting bothered by the thought of someone liking something you don't.
Weird how you ignored
I didn't. These posts you linked only raise the redflags of you. The wording alone is enough to make you seem like such an insufferable homosexual.
>oh i'm just glad these people got what they wanted from one thing they wished to see more from this other thing BUT FUCK THEM FUCK THEM
>Any difference of opinion means you hate someone.
>'I'm glad you got something else that people aren't as down on' = 'Fuck You.'
Jesus Christ. Take it down a notch.
People who hype up SatAM are like people who hype up Sonic 06 and get the same response online. At the same time, people who acknowledge they're kinda fucked but like them despite that are understandable. Everyone likes at least a couple "bad" things.
>are like people who hype up Sonic 06
Except '06 was actually good and people like you are what's wrong on this fandom.
Bootlicker
Kill yourself Retrotard.
90's Sonic was the peak, this is not debatable.
You need to let it go.
>you need to defend modernslop
Frontiers is actually good.
>It's been long enough that "game with broken collision, unfinished core gameplay, a bad story, terrible controls, and consists of 10% loading screens" is hailed a misunderstood classic.
Bait or retarded
>"Trying to say that a piece of media is good without a decent argument leads to ridicule, but there's nothing wrong with liking it even if you can't articulate why."
>"BAIT. OR DUMB."
Huh?
>people who hype up Sonic 06
Play P06
NTA but it's still mid as fuck.
Why are diaperhomosexuals like this?
Ban evading again homosexual?
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139498839/#139515968
Listen, I'm the kind of person who thinks fan fixes "count" as the original game.
P06 doesn't just just tweak; it outright replaces entire chunks of the game. And even then it's just okay.
I find it a bit funny too so its not entirely bad
It was ok
-and also the best incarnation of Sonic media to ever exist that isn't cringe.
Bless you, sire.
Why is this some fetish shit?
No one else cares about Sally
She's the only reason people still fight for the SatAM universe.
Why? She sucks.
Furry waifu. Of course, there are better, but people will defend their shit taste.
She was their first furry crush. Same reason why some guys simp for Mineva Mink or why Russia has that one Gadget cult.
Being voiced by Kath Soucie probably helped with that. Worked for Lola and Betty Quinlan anyway.
Not that anon, but her disposition is part of what makes her back and forth with Sonic interesting, at least personally. She's burdened by responsibility as a diplomat to be and diligently tries to make the most logical decisions. Compare that to Sonic being the living embodiment of improvisational finesse, and you can see them butting heads often; especially when both are big personalities. The spice is that she's a lot more like Sonic than she gives herself credit for, and admires him for being so free. At her worst it can make her look like a hypocritical killjoy (which rubs people the wrong way for a good reason), but most of the time she and Sonic have a mutual understanding of each other. Both in the show and the better written parts of Archie, the two are just as likely to have a genuine heart to heart as they are to snark at each other.
tl;dr Sally's the planner to Sonic's improviser but they both understand each other in spite of everything, and that's fun.
A Conversation with Ben Hurst, in case anyone hasn't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt5ERItK3CM
Archieschizo/IDW-kun should take his meds already.
Thank you for almost making me a furry and ruining my life.
Give up autist
Which one is the best?
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL91B17BE5E56E9AD6
Ian Flynn: *Takes the fattest, brownest, mushiest, softest, hardest, smelliest, filthiest, bloodiest, stickiest, slipperiest, most liquidy, most solid, heaviest, blackest, bloodiest, juiciest, most corn-ridden shit anyone has ever taken*
IDW-kun: "Ian, you didn't have to cook this gourmet meal just for me!"
/sthg/ tranny thread
If Satan says so
Why can't be modern sonic as soulful as this?
When does the universe ending Hyper Metal Sonic movie happen, 2026?
Unlike you twats I actually liked Sally's maturity.
Pick a less obvious euphemism next time.
SOME people can't understand that appeal can actually be born of respect.
I would not be object to sexo, though.
Post art
Was it kino?
the taint of SatAm....then again Sonic Team ain't perfect either after a diet of Evangelion, PSME, Gundam, and Mononoke Hime
don't forget those stupid, STUPID monkeys!!!
Bruh