They're both great, although I personally like the first better, one of my fav all time animated movies. The third one was a bitter disappointment, lots of wasted potential.
They're both great, although I personally like the first better, one of my fav all time animated movies. The third one was a bitter disappointment, lots of wasted potential.
the perfect trilogy ruined by a subpar cashgrab of a 3rd movie with cheap jokes
I remember how i loved the 1st one
did not expect to like the 2nd one at all because.. Hollywood
then after liking it even more putting my humble faith in the 3rd installment
and they absolutely abolished it
Reminds me of how i thought Transformers 1 to be trash, and i loved it, and so i reconsidered my biases... and the 2nd one then being the worst movie ever made
i think the first movie is about fat acceptance and is israeli subversion disguised as chinese wisdom.
Fat shit degenerate beats trained aryan warrior because the fat shit "gets it"
Thats not how the world works you need both aspects the physical, mental/spiritual to succeed. This movie is literally Fedora Tipping athiest tier in terms of its message and the only thing good about it is the Villain.
I mean what did Tai Lung do wrong to be put in prison?
I mean think of what message this movie sends to children like say 3-8 year olds and they will be coming of age now.
I mean imagine the psychological difference of the young kids who watched stuff like Transformers and Spiderman and the kids who watch this garbage.
Kung-Fu panda is masterly crafted psychological warfare and programming telling kids its okay to be a mediocre lazy shit if your heart is in the right place and also you are special and can fast track your development past people who trained and studied for years.
Did you miss the whole training montage where he learns to use his hunger as a motivation, trains to harness his natural talent into real skill, and ends the sequence by saying "I'm not hungry."? He literally transcends his base urges and gluttony to achieve his dream of becoming a master of kung-fu. He visibly loses weight throughout this sequence, by the way, but never becomes thin or jacked because he's a panda, and pandas are supposed to be round. His natural body type becomes an advantage because he's immune to acupuncture based attacks, but his strength, agility and skill were all earned through training. This movie is the classic "work hard, get better, achieve greatness" plotline that make up so many movies and stories. The message of the movie is that it isn't enough to be "chosen", you also have to work hard. Watch the movie again.
I'm pretty sure Po is a once in a lifetime prodigy because he became a master extremely fast, all he had to do was believe in himself. Very heartwarming.
Yes but he still had to work, didn't he? Even the most genius of talents has to be forged into something great through effort; sitting around and waiting to become amazing or for your life to get better doesn't accomplish anything. You have to control your urges and take the steps to improve yourself. How is this a bad message?
It's ambiguous, it could be months before the Five encounter Tai Lung and months more before he reaches the valley. Or it could've been a week, it's a montage, they're weird like that. If you watch Empire, Luke could've been training with Yoda for anywhere from a day to 10 weeks, people are still debating it. Kung Fu Panda can't be condemned for the weakness of a cinema staple.
you're right with what you're saying, but it's also cope. the panda body-type copout is there for plausible deniability of subversion. it's there for the people who also say that weight classes in fighting sports are the only dominant factor. the average person won't care about the "hard work".
The first movie is about natural talent always outdoing hard work. I mean this geriatric fatass panda overcomes this so-called prodigy who spent his whole life training his hass off in a single training montage that lasted like what, a few days? If you weren't born with a gift, then don't even try.
This is the loser way of looking at it. He was a loser retail worker dreaming of better things until he was given the opportunity to try, and only by exerting real effort and improving himself was he able to accomplish anything. The message here is that anyone, even a fat, loser panda raised by a goose, can be incredible if they're given the chance and are willing to work for it. To look at this story of a clumsy outcast achieving his dreams through hard work and calling it a story about natural talent reveals a heart full of bitter cynicism.
Talent, fate, luck; all these things play a part in a person's life. But without the will to succeed and the effort to make your dreams a reality, you can just keep dreaming.
True, I mean Po literally got launched into it by accident and was scorned by his personal heroes for even trying to be like them. But he didn't give up, even after failing time and time again. He looked into the secret of the Dragon Scroll and what did he see? Himself. Because all along he was the only one that could have possibly made him what he had become, just as you are the only one who can create the version of yourself you want to be. It takes work, and dedication, and depriving yourself of the things you think you need, and people aren't going to like that you're even trying.
But it might happen if you try. It definitely won't if you don't.
The fearsome five had all been training at kung fu for nearly their entire lives, and Po surpasses all of them within a few weeks without even realizing he was training.
To say he didn't posses immense natural talent is just naive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
His talent give him the edge in winning his fight, but if Po had never trained at all and Tai Lung had randomly attacked the noodle shop, Po wouldn't been killed in seconds. His body might have blocked the acupuncture techniques, but he couldn't have stopped Tai Lung ripping his damn throat out seconds later. He trained to become a fighter worthy of his natural gifts.
I feel like you're disrespecting the significance of the training montage here. It's a few minutes of screen time at best, but it's an important symbolic stage of a hero's journey. You can't get what you want by wanting to be better, you have to actually try to be better. But no one wants to watch a 10 hour video of Po slowly mastering different kung fu techniques, just like no one wants to watch Luke run 5000 laps of a swamp with Yoda on his back, or the karate kid to the same goddamn moves 500 thousand times. Respect the montage, it means something even if it "seems" fast.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>wouldn't been killed
would've been killed*
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it "seems" fast.
It is objectively fast. Even if months of time pass over that montage Po still only trained a fraction of the time any of the Five trained for, and yet became stronger than all of them. The Five all worked harder than Po for several times longer and yet couldn't achieve the same results as him because they weren't born with Pos talent. That's not an edge, it's the deciding factor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The message is that maybe you, yes you reading this, have something inside of you or something about you that no one else has, something worthy of praise, something possibly life saving or world changing, but the world will never know about this thing or get to experience it unless you actually put the work in to bring it out, to make that impact on the world around you. Dreaming about being something isn't the same as trying to be that thing, and that's a great message.
Why are you relating to the people that are heroes to the world but aren't quite enough to beat this particular challenge? Or are you relating to the criminal murderer who has also worked their whole life to achieve great things, but for the wrong reasons? You're ignoring the hero's journey in favor of the side characters, and jesus it's not like they died or ended up utterly humiliated, they're still in the following movies and are important parts of Po's life. The message is that even if the world seems full of talented and amazing people, you, you personally, can still make a difference if you're just willing to try.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I could also win the lottery is I just started buying tickets every day.
Statistically speaking, there's a 99.99999999% chance I'll never win anything and all of my money will have been wasted but I guess I should try anyways for that 00.00000000001% chance I win the jackpot I guess.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The lottery doesn't require talent or effort, this is a terrible comparison.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Life is a genetic lottery.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Po is a fatass panda who can barely serve noodles without falling over his own fat ass. Tai Lung literally makes a fat joke at the start of their battle. And Po wins.
Did anyone think he was naturally talented? Did anyone look at him and say "There stands a natural gigachad athlete!"? No, quite the opposite, they all told him to frick off and take his clumsy fat ass home because he clearly isn't good enough to be here. But he kept trying, didn't he? So why have you given up?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And Po wins.
Yeah because he was gifted with an extraordinary potential for kung fu talent that allowed him to surpass people like Tai Lung and The Five after only training for a few months despite those other characters training for decades.
You're trying to pretend like people thinking Po doesn't look like he had immense natural talent as proof that he actually didn't have it, which is so wrong it's ridiculous you'd even put it forward as an argument.
Po didn't win because he looked like a kung fu master, he won because he was a kung fu master. And he became a kung fu master within just a few months because he was born with immense genetic talent for learning kung fu.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But the message of the movie, if you'll follow me here, is that anyone COULD have the potential within them to achieve greatness. Po didn't roll out of bed one morning as a kung fu master, he BECAME a kung fu master through effort. Yes, he had the natural talent to become one, but the point of the movie is that if a fat, loser panda can have that talent then SO CAN ANYONE. Po is not a natural born chad athlete kung fu master, he's a loser nerd. But he worked to bring out his natural talent, and BECAME a master throughout the course of the movie. Talent plays a role, but so does recognising that you might be capable of having that talent in the first place, and doing something about it.
You keep looking at the "talent" and ignoring the other half of the equation, the central point of this story and all stories like it. If Po got hit by lightning and suddenly got god like kung fu powers then yeah, I'd agree with you, weird message for a movie. But his talent was worth fricking nothing, absolute-dog-shit-worthless-can't-even-punch-a-training-dummy-without-falling-on-his-ass-NOTHING until he WORKED to sculpt that talent into skill. Some 95% of this movie is Po realizing that even though he's felt like a loser his whole life, he actually has something inside of him that can accomplish great things if he's only willing to work for it. You're watching the final scene of this movie and refusing to connect it to everything that proceeded it.
Yeah, you're not Po beating Tai Lung; maybe you're Po falling over his ass trying to serve noodles. But are you even willing to try and get to that last scene, or are you going to keep crying about not being born a kung fu master?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he BECAME a kung fu master through effort.
A bit of effort.
But mostly innate genetic talent.
Also you keep harping on and on about how hard Po worked and how he chose to try, but he didn't even do that. He was selected to be trained through an accident, he was ready to give up multiple times until Shifu discovered the proper way to train him, and Shifu also only wound up discovering that way via another accident.
So not only was Po born with rare genetics that gave him an immense advantage, his life was also full of lucky coincidences that unfolded perfectly to lay the groundwork of all his success for him.
You also keep trying to downplay just how special Pos genetic talent is. Talent comes in several different forms. In Pos case, his talent wasn't "immediate skill" but "incredibly fast progress". Just because he started out as an amateur doesn't mean he had no talent, but the fact that he went from having no talent to being stronger than Tail Lung after a few months of training even thought Tai Lung had been training for decades meant Po was born with special learning talent that Tai Lung wasn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're deliberately ignoring the main themes of the storyline. Fate, talent, effort; these are the three pillars of success according to this movie's message, it's a triangle. You're ignoring effort completely and whining about how Po had a natural advantage, even though Tai Lung was also a prodigy, as was Tigress.
It also never really states that Po is stronger than Tai Lung or Tigress; Tai Lung underestimated him and was thrown off when Po turned out to be uniquely immune to his special technique. If Tai Lung had been forewarned about this and knew that Po had mastered the finger hold, he might've still won. Po isn't an invincible god, he just had the upper hand in that particular battle. Tai Lung had a cheat skill that didn't work on one particular guy.
He's also never fought Tigress or any other members of the Five, and it's never confirmed that he'd beat them in a fight. He was just better suited to beat Tai Lung.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Fate, talent, effort; these are the three pillars of success according to this movie's message, it's a triangle. You're ignoring effort completely
Effort is largely meaninglessly without fate and talent too. Tai Lung, the Fearsome Five, even Shifu, all of them put in significantly more effort than Po but Po easily surpassed them all with way less effort because he had fate and talent on his side. All their effort ultimately meant nothing vs a guy who was just born to be better than them.
Fate and talent can also both just be collectively simplified to "luck" by the way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Po easily surpassed them all
Did he though? Again, he beat Tai Lung because he was immune to his best move, because he was fat, and learned a move that Shifu already knew. Really the irony here is that theoretically anyone could have beaten Tai Lung if they were chubby enough to resist his acupuncture moves. We never see him defeat Shifu or any of his allies in actual combat even if he fights on par with them. Even little moments like when Tigress is talking to him about being adopted reveal that he's weaker than them in some ways. He can't even spar against her hand because it's as hard as stone, his hands aren't so it hurts him. He isn't an unkillable super warrior, he's a talented kid being taught by some of the best in the game. But he still has to work for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. Some people are just naturally talented and better than me so I shouldn't even try.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's literally what Po thought until he was in a position where was allowed to try. You're Po in this movie, he's the protagonist, he's the audience insert, he's the guy you're supposed to relate to. We literally see his dreams, but he's so convinced that he can't be a kung fu master that he hasn't taken a single step towards achieving it. He can't even throw a punch. Because why try when the world is full of masters like the Furious Five? Except you might be capable of incredible, impossible things. Just like Po. But you'd have to try to find out, even in the face of everyone, including your teacher, your heroes, and your family telling you to just give up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the other whiner in this thread.
>To look at this story of a clumsy outcast achieving his dreams through hard work and calling it a story about natural talent reveals a heart full of bitter cynicism.
In reality, countless people work as hard as they possibly can yet never achieve their dreams. Hard work means nothing without luck. Luck is the most important thing in the universe, whether it involve being born talented, or randomly getting special opportunities that other people aren't. One way or another, it's random chance that decides who succeeds and who fails.
This is actually a key theme of the movie, and if you understand the role of "fate" (or chance, or luck) in Chinese culture it makes perfect sense. The sequence of events that get Po in front of Master Oogway's pointing finger is literally comedic, it makes no sense as a logical way of getting a seat at the table. But Oogway, far more than Shifu, understands the role of fate (chance, luck) in the way the universe functions. He intended to point at Tigress, but his intention didn't matter in that moment. He lived his whole life only to pass his legacy on to a person he'd never even met before this moment, but understood that the decision was not his to make. His actual goal was to point at the Dragon Warrior, which he did, even if his intention was something different. None of us are free from the whims of fate (chance, luck) but that doesn't undercut the movies message of willpower and effort. If Tai Lung had attacked the valley at the moment Po was shamefully cramming cookies into his mouth in that kitchen, Po would've been killed. Maybe his natural immunity to acupuncture based attacks would have given him some extra time, but he would've lost in the end.
He was chosen by fate (etc.) but his own decision to succeed and willpower to make it happen were what led to his victory.
>it's random chance that decides who succeeds and who fails.
You'll never, ever succeed at your goals if you spend all your time in your room wishing you had already achieved them. You might not achieve them if you try, but at least you'll have a better chance.
I did not know that.
Probably the one year where both studios were at the top of their game. Pixar started their decline after that but Dreamworks still had a few more good years.
Wall-E fricking sucks and I found it extremely boring as a kid. I think they genuinely jerked themselves off when they wrote the script on eco-friendly recycled paper.
i can probably accept you have a different opinion, as long as we both agree that Kung fu Panda 3 was really awful and retroactively ruined the message of the first one.
2 is already worse than 1 for having poop jokes (the dragon costume scene) 1 had no toilet humor, which was nice given that was a Dreamworks staple back then. Why take a step backwards? Po also mentions that he threw up after climbing Shen palace' stairs
Honestly he did win, but then he got immediately demoralized when he couldn't understand the Dragon Scroll's riddle and then his most powerful technique doesn't work. Gives Po an opening to get the upper hand.
Panda 2 might have the worst comedy and tone balance in a CG film trying to be serious or tackle heavy themes. The only one to give it a run for its money is the Astro Boy film
Shark Tale is great. One of the most important Dreamworks films ever. It was the first CG film by their Glendale facility, which only made 2D films beforehand
Ramses did nothing wrong, Moses is literally just bad at arguing. the whole "Moses's miracles are real but the Egyptian priests' were fake" is total israelitecope as well.
Shark Tale was a good film, whether you like it or not. Lenny is very sympathetic, Sykes is hilarious, Lino is noble and always keeps his dignity, Angie is a sweetheart, and Oscar's character arc is well written
>first madagascar lower than 2
I dont agree, but sure ill give you that but >first madagascar lower than DADADADADADA CIRCUS AFRO XD
Also >el dorado that low
Go frickyourself
I watched this pretty recently with my little brother and it has some pretty great action scenes that I was probably too dumb to appreciate when I was younger. >bridge fight >food fight >Shifu Tai Lung
and most importantly >prison escape
Prison escape is such an insanely fluid and rapid sequence while giving an anazing sense of scale of the place itself. The camera is pretty much always moving at rapid pace but never loses focus of Tai Lung. It's great.
They only one I find weak is the final fight because it's basically just the same fat joke repeated many times in a short time span that was already they only other joke before as well.
PDI made Antz and Shrek in Palo Alto, but then moved to Redwood City in 2002 (they needed a bigger building to make Shrek 2 and Madagascar simultaneously) They didn't leave Bay Area so whatever
>Oscar, Angie, Lenny, Don Lino, Sykes, Lola, Ernie, Bernie, Frankie, Luca, Katie Current, Don Feinberg, Crazy Joe, "The Shorties", Shrimp, Lucky Day, Worm, Pontrelli, Mrs. Sanchez, Guiseppe, Headphone Guy, Earl, Johnson, Clown Whale, Christina Aguilera jellyfish, Missy Elliott fish
i love the Shark Tale cast. It's quite rich in character personalities and species variety
I finally saw 3 recently and something just felt weirdly off about it. Everything about it felt bizarrely rushed, but by the end I also felt like nothing happened. I'm not sure how else to describe it.
Some movies are written because people want to tell a good story. Some are told because people want to make money putting out a movie. It's painfully easy to tell which is which.
Well 2 ended with the sequel bait that Po's dad was alive in the hidden panda village and they never made another movie after the story was wrapped up in 3. So I don't think it was all about the money with that one. Wasn't Shrek 3 or 4 tier where they didn't need to exist.
every single Dreamworks sequel is about the money, with no exception. Sometimes they announce sequels a week after the original film premieres to big numbers
>1998 : Antz >2001 : Shrek >2003 : Shrek 4-D >2004 : Shrek 2, Shark Tale >2005 : Madagascar >2006 : Over the Hedge, Flushed Away >2007 : Shrek the Third, Bee Movie, Shrek the Halls >2008 : Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar 2
every CG work distributed by Dreamworks up to that point
>what do you mean you don't understand? What's there to understand? We've been over this a thousand times. I don't want to have to say it again. You know, you're really giving me agita, you know that? I don't know how else to say this to you, Lenny. You see something, you kill it, you eat it. Period. That's what sharks do. That's a fine tradition. What's the matter with you? Your brother Frankie here, he's a killer. He's beautiful. He does what he's supposed to do. But you... I'm hearing things. You... you gotta understand when you look weak, it makes me look weak. I can't have that... Lenny, Lenny, look at me. Look at me. This handing over the business is for you. It's for both of yous. And you're acting like you don't even want it. I need to know that you can handle that... all right, all right. Right here, in front of me now, eat this >i'm not asking you anymore. I'm telling ya. Eat it >son, eat the shrimp! >no. No. We're gonna do this as a family. Frankie, i want you to take Lenny out and show him the ropes. Son, you're gonna learn how to be a shark, whether you like it or not
i like the dialogue in Shark Tale
You know I just realized something funny.
The conflict of Shark Tale is that a shark doesn't want to eat fish because they're sentient and he can be friends with them.
Then in Madagascar, the conflict is that a lion doesn't want to eat zebras and lemurs, and the resolution is to eat fish instead.
I hated that movie ever since I saw it because I laughed at the opening joke about the sushi restaurant being empty (Oh yeah, because that would be cannibalism haha) and then the whole plot revolves around sharks and sentient creatures eating other sentient creatures. I laughed at a joke that makes zero sense within the universes own logic, because pretty much all restaurants in this world would be sushi technically. Feels like they wrote that joke day 1 of the script and never bothered to take it out.
>shark doesn't want to eat fish because they're sentient
he was a vegetarian. He couldn't bring himself to eat a shrimp. Also, both times he has a fish in his mouth (Oscar and Angie) he only lasts a few moments before wanting to puke
>what do you mean you don't understand? What's there to understand? We've been over this a thousand times. I don't want to have to say it again. You know, you're really giving me agita, you know that? I don't know how else to say this to you, Lenny. You see something, you kill it, you eat it. Period. That's what sharks do. That's a fine tradition. What's the matter with you? Your brother Frankie here, he's a killer. He's beautiful. He does what he's supposed to do. But you... I'm hearing things. You... you gotta understand when you look weak, it makes me look weak. I can't have that... Lenny, Lenny, look at me. Look at me. This handing over the business is for you. It's for both of yous. And you're acting like you don't even want it. I need to know that you can handle that... all right, all right. Right here, in front of me now, eat this >i'm not asking you anymore. I'm telling ya. Eat it >son, eat the shrimp! >no. No. We're gonna do this as a family. Frankie, i want you to take Lenny out and show him the ropes. Son, you're gonna learn how to be a shark, whether you like it or not
i like the dialogue in Shark Tale
Will Smith fish from Shark Tale was sympathetic to an extent. He was a bachelor and an orphan (his dad is dead and his mom never appears) stuck on a deadend job scrubbing whales' tongues at a Whale Wash, thus following his late dad's footsteps (who worked there for 25 years) and lived in a rented apartment (as shown in the videogame). He was mocked as a kid in a show and tell presentation for admiring his dad's job (he brought to school his gear and employee of the month picture), didn't get much respect from his coworkers or boss, and was at the lower point of the food chain. You can't blame him for wanting to make it big somehow
Woody Allen ant from Antz was sympathetic too. He was an individualist stuck in a collectivist colony with a hive mentality. Like all the other workers, he was forced to become one at birth without any choice. He feels like a cog in a machine, not helped by his therapist telling him that he's insignificant. His dad also flew away when he was a larva and his mom didn't give him any attention (he was the middle child in a family of millions) You can't blame him for being dry and pesimmistic
>The Prince of Egypt >The Road to El Dorado >Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron
i blame these dull films for audiences losing interest in 2D. Neither of them told a well constructed story with tight pacing or sympathetic characters. Katzenberg murdered 2D
i say Katzenberg because he micromanaged those films. He practically lived in the facility where they were made and was fully involved in the creative process (to the animators' frustration). I hold him 100% responsible for how boring they turned out
No they hold up compared to other 2D movies. I'm not religious any more but the Prince of Egypt is kino, beautiful animation, interesting story and great songs.
El Dorado just has decent animation but it's a great character comedy and again, some great songs.
Both good movies in my book, 2D or no.
>the ending is totally predictable
The Titanic is one of the highest grossing movies of all time. Do you think many folks were shocked on their first watch? Think the ship going down was a big surprise to a lot of viewers?
Stories don't need to be unpredictable to be engaging and worth watching. Also hard as it may be to believe, not everyone is a Christian, tons of people don't know the story of Moses.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i didn't like Prince of Egypt, and neither did some people back then
https://www.salon.com/1998/12/18/reviewc_5/
>Antz, Prince of Egypt, El Dorado, Shrek, Spirit, Sinbad
Antz and Shrek are the only great films of this bunch imo, and that's because they were made by a different studio than the others. Said studio actually cared about good writing
Kung Fu Panda is my GOAT Dreamworks film. One of my favorite original scores too. Zimmer and Powell kill it. Mostly Powell probably. He had more influence over the second film and it sounded even better.
>Antz : Eric Darnell, Tim Johnson >Shrek : Andrew Adamson, Vicky Jenson >Shark Tale : Bibo Bergeron, Vicky Jenson, Rob Letterman >Madagascar : Eric Darnell, Tom McGrath >Over the Hedge : Karey Kirkpatrick, Tim Johnson >Bee Movie : Steve Hickner, Simon J. Smith >Kung Fu Panda : Mark Orborne, John Stevenson >Monsters vs Aliens : Conrad Vernon, Rob Letterman >HTTYD : Chris Sanders, Dean DeBlois >Megamind : Tom McGrath
every director of these 1998-2010 original CG films. Notice that Shark Tale was the only one to have 3 directors
The 2nd one is better and the highest grossing film ever directed by a woman until Wonder Woman came out.
They're both great, although I personally like the first better, one of my fav all time animated movies. The third one was a bitter disappointment, lots of wasted potential.
the 2nd one was an unfunny and edgy cringefest
That was 3
i remember almost every joke in 2 (it isn't a long film) and they are not funny. Not even amusing
>edgy
read books
that peawiener was not sympathetic at all
good.
Why does he need to be sympathetic?
Doesn't change the fact I still want to pound his tight bird bussy
He was hot tho
the perfect trilogy ruined by a subpar cashgrab of a 3rd movie with cheap jokes
I remember how i loved the 1st one
did not expect to like the 2nd one at all because.. Hollywood
then after liking it even more putting my humble faith in the 3rd installment
and they absolutely abolished it
Reminds me of how i thought Transformers 1 to be trash, and i loved it, and so i reconsidered my biases... and the 2nd one then being the worst movie ever made
2nd one is trash.
When I watched the 3rd one I thought I'd made some terrible mistake somehow. Hollywood truly can't make a good thing work 3 times.
i think the first movie is about fat acceptance and is israeli subversion disguised as chinese wisdom.
Fat shit degenerate beats trained aryan warrior because the fat shit "gets it"
Thats not how the world works you need both aspects the physical, mental/spiritual to succeed. This movie is literally Fedora Tipping athiest tier in terms of its message and the only thing good about it is the Villain.
I mean what did Tai Lung do wrong to be put in prison?
I mean think of what message this movie sends to children like say 3-8 year olds and they will be coming of age now.
I mean imagine the psychological difference of the young kids who watched stuff like Transformers and Spiderman and the kids who watch this garbage.
Kung-Fu panda is masterly crafted psychological warfare and programming telling kids its okay to be a mediocre lazy shit if your heart is in the right place and also you are special and can fast track your development past people who trained and studied for years.
>I mean what did Tai Lung do wrong to be put in prison?
killed innocents in his thirst power?
>I mean what did Tai Lung do wrong to be put in prison?
Did you miss the part where he killed innocent people?
I, too, like to talk about movies I've never seen
> Fat shit degenerate beats trained aryan warrior
>trained aryan warrior
>grey anthropomorphic leopard with Chinese name is aryan now
Nazi furries were a mistake
>he's never taken the blue eyed blonde haired qin pill
You're missing out my friend its wewuzkino of the highest calibur
Tai Lung is the prettiest aryan name I've heard
china is aryan europe is Black personized
Its also incredibly israeli, Dustin Hoffman, David Cross, Seth Rogan, Jack Black all israelites.
if you don't see the inherent subversion and ugliness of a buff sports woman then you shouldn't talk about subversion at all
based observation, a bit schizo, but based and makes sense
This feels like a pasta for another movie, and you swapped the names.
Did you miss the whole training montage where he learns to use his hunger as a motivation, trains to harness his natural talent into real skill, and ends the sequence by saying "I'm not hungry."? He literally transcends his base urges and gluttony to achieve his dream of becoming a master of kung-fu. He visibly loses weight throughout this sequence, by the way, but never becomes thin or jacked because he's a panda, and pandas are supposed to be round. His natural body type becomes an advantage because he's immune to acupuncture based attacks, but his strength, agility and skill were all earned through training. This movie is the classic "work hard, get better, achieve greatness" plotline that make up so many movies and stories. The message of the movie is that it isn't enough to be "chosen", you also have to work hard. Watch the movie again.
I'm pretty sure Po is a once in a lifetime prodigy because he became a master extremely fast, all he had to do was believe in himself. Very heartwarming.
Yes but he still had to work, didn't he? Even the most genius of talents has to be forged into something great through effort; sitting around and waiting to become amazing or for your life to get better doesn't accomplish anything. You have to control your urges and take the steps to improve yourself. How is this a bad message?
That is true, but how long was he training for? Like a week at the most? I always thought that was funny.
It's ambiguous, it could be months before the Five encounter Tai Lung and months more before he reaches the valley. Or it could've been a week, it's a montage, they're weird like that. If you watch Empire, Luke could've been training with Yoda for anywhere from a day to 10 weeks, people are still debating it. Kung Fu Panda can't be condemned for the weakness of a cinema staple.
you're right with what you're saying, but it's also cope. the panda body-type copout is there for plausible deniability of subversion. it's there for the people who also say that weight classes in fighting sports are the only dominant factor. the average person won't care about the "hard work".
The first movie is about natural talent always outdoing hard work. I mean this geriatric fatass panda overcomes this so-called prodigy who spent his whole life training his hass off in a single training montage that lasted like what, a few days? If you weren't born with a gift, then don't even try.
This is the loser way of looking at it. He was a loser retail worker dreaming of better things until he was given the opportunity to try, and only by exerting real effort and improving himself was he able to accomplish anything. The message here is that anyone, even a fat, loser panda raised by a goose, can be incredible if they're given the chance and are willing to work for it. To look at this story of a clumsy outcast achieving his dreams through hard work and calling it a story about natural talent reveals a heart full of bitter cynicism.
Talent, fate, luck; all these things play a part in a person's life. But without the will to succeed and the effort to make your dreams a reality, you can just keep dreaming.
This is a great message, but damn it's scary to go out and do this...
True, I mean Po literally got launched into it by accident and was scorned by his personal heroes for even trying to be like them. But he didn't give up, even after failing time and time again. He looked into the secret of the Dragon Scroll and what did he see? Himself. Because all along he was the only one that could have possibly made him what he had become, just as you are the only one who can create the version of yourself you want to be. It takes work, and dedication, and depriving yourself of the things you think you need, and people aren't going to like that you're even trying.
But it might happen if you try. It definitely won't if you don't.
The fearsome five had all been training at kung fu for nearly their entire lives, and Po surpasses all of them within a few weeks without even realizing he was training.
To say he didn't posses immense natural talent is just naive.
His talent give him the edge in winning his fight, but if Po had never trained at all and Tai Lung had randomly attacked the noodle shop, Po wouldn't been killed in seconds. His body might have blocked the acupuncture techniques, but he couldn't have stopped Tai Lung ripping his damn throat out seconds later. He trained to become a fighter worthy of his natural gifts.
I feel like you're disrespecting the significance of the training montage here. It's a few minutes of screen time at best, but it's an important symbolic stage of a hero's journey. You can't get what you want by wanting to be better, you have to actually try to be better. But no one wants to watch a 10 hour video of Po slowly mastering different kung fu techniques, just like no one wants to watch Luke run 5000 laps of a swamp with Yoda on his back, or the karate kid to the same goddamn moves 500 thousand times. Respect the montage, it means something even if it "seems" fast.
>wouldn't been killed
would've been killed*
>it "seems" fast.
It is objectively fast. Even if months of time pass over that montage Po still only trained a fraction of the time any of the Five trained for, and yet became stronger than all of them. The Five all worked harder than Po for several times longer and yet couldn't achieve the same results as him because they weren't born with Pos talent. That's not an edge, it's the deciding factor.
The message is that maybe you, yes you reading this, have something inside of you or something about you that no one else has, something worthy of praise, something possibly life saving or world changing, but the world will never know about this thing or get to experience it unless you actually put the work in to bring it out, to make that impact on the world around you. Dreaming about being something isn't the same as trying to be that thing, and that's a great message.
Why are you relating to the people that are heroes to the world but aren't quite enough to beat this particular challenge? Or are you relating to the criminal murderer who has also worked their whole life to achieve great things, but for the wrong reasons? You're ignoring the hero's journey in favor of the side characters, and jesus it's not like they died or ended up utterly humiliated, they're still in the following movies and are important parts of Po's life. The message is that even if the world seems full of talented and amazing people, you, you personally, can still make a difference if you're just willing to try.
I could also win the lottery is I just started buying tickets every day.
Statistically speaking, there's a 99.99999999% chance I'll never win anything and all of my money will have been wasted but I guess I should try anyways for that 00.00000000001% chance I win the jackpot I guess.
The lottery doesn't require talent or effort, this is a terrible comparison.
Life is a genetic lottery.
Po is a fatass panda who can barely serve noodles without falling over his own fat ass. Tai Lung literally makes a fat joke at the start of their battle. And Po wins.
Did anyone think he was naturally talented? Did anyone look at him and say "There stands a natural gigachad athlete!"? No, quite the opposite, they all told him to frick off and take his clumsy fat ass home because he clearly isn't good enough to be here. But he kept trying, didn't he? So why have you given up?
>And Po wins.
Yeah because he was gifted with an extraordinary potential for kung fu talent that allowed him to surpass people like Tai Lung and The Five after only training for a few months despite those other characters training for decades.
You're trying to pretend like people thinking Po doesn't look like he had immense natural talent as proof that he actually didn't have it, which is so wrong it's ridiculous you'd even put it forward as an argument.
Po didn't win because he looked like a kung fu master, he won because he was a kung fu master. And he became a kung fu master within just a few months because he was born with immense genetic talent for learning kung fu.
But the message of the movie, if you'll follow me here, is that anyone COULD have the potential within them to achieve greatness. Po didn't roll out of bed one morning as a kung fu master, he BECAME a kung fu master through effort. Yes, he had the natural talent to become one, but the point of the movie is that if a fat, loser panda can have that talent then SO CAN ANYONE. Po is not a natural born chad athlete kung fu master, he's a loser nerd. But he worked to bring out his natural talent, and BECAME a master throughout the course of the movie. Talent plays a role, but so does recognising that you might be capable of having that talent in the first place, and doing something about it.
You keep looking at the "talent" and ignoring the other half of the equation, the central point of this story and all stories like it. If Po got hit by lightning and suddenly got god like kung fu powers then yeah, I'd agree with you, weird message for a movie. But his talent was worth fricking nothing, absolute-dog-shit-worthless-can't-even-punch-a-training-dummy-without-falling-on-his-ass-NOTHING until he WORKED to sculpt that talent into skill. Some 95% of this movie is Po realizing that even though he's felt like a loser his whole life, he actually has something inside of him that can accomplish great things if he's only willing to work for it. You're watching the final scene of this movie and refusing to connect it to everything that proceeded it.
Yeah, you're not Po beating Tai Lung; maybe you're Po falling over his ass trying to serve noodles. But are you even willing to try and get to that last scene, or are you going to keep crying about not being born a kung fu master?
>he BECAME a kung fu master through effort.
A bit of effort.
But mostly innate genetic talent.
Also you keep harping on and on about how hard Po worked and how he chose to try, but he didn't even do that. He was selected to be trained through an accident, he was ready to give up multiple times until Shifu discovered the proper way to train him, and Shifu also only wound up discovering that way via another accident.
So not only was Po born with rare genetics that gave him an immense advantage, his life was also full of lucky coincidences that unfolded perfectly to lay the groundwork of all his success for him.
You also keep trying to downplay just how special Pos genetic talent is. Talent comes in several different forms. In Pos case, his talent wasn't "immediate skill" but "incredibly fast progress". Just because he started out as an amateur doesn't mean he had no talent, but the fact that he went from having no talent to being stronger than Tail Lung after a few months of training even thought Tai Lung had been training for decades meant Po was born with special learning talent that Tai Lung wasn't.
You're deliberately ignoring the main themes of the storyline. Fate, talent, effort; these are the three pillars of success according to this movie's message, it's a triangle. You're ignoring effort completely and whining about how Po had a natural advantage, even though Tai Lung was also a prodigy, as was Tigress.
It also never really states that Po is stronger than Tai Lung or Tigress; Tai Lung underestimated him and was thrown off when Po turned out to be uniquely immune to his special technique. If Tai Lung had been forewarned about this and knew that Po had mastered the finger hold, he might've still won. Po isn't an invincible god, he just had the upper hand in that particular battle. Tai Lung had a cheat skill that didn't work on one particular guy.
He's also never fought Tigress or any other members of the Five, and it's never confirmed that he'd beat them in a fight. He was just better suited to beat Tai Lung.
>Fate, talent, effort; these are the three pillars of success according to this movie's message, it's a triangle. You're ignoring effort completely
Effort is largely meaninglessly without fate and talent too. Tai Lung, the Fearsome Five, even Shifu, all of them put in significantly more effort than Po but Po easily surpassed them all with way less effort because he had fate and talent on his side. All their effort ultimately meant nothing vs a guy who was just born to be better than them.
Fate and talent can also both just be collectively simplified to "luck" by the way.
>Po easily surpassed them all
Did he though? Again, he beat Tai Lung because he was immune to his best move, because he was fat, and learned a move that Shifu already knew. Really the irony here is that theoretically anyone could have beaten Tai Lung if they were chubby enough to resist his acupuncture moves. We never see him defeat Shifu or any of his allies in actual combat even if he fights on par with them. Even little moments like when Tigress is talking to him about being adopted reveal that he's weaker than them in some ways. He can't even spar against her hand because it's as hard as stone, his hands aren't so it hurts him. He isn't an unkillable super warrior, he's a talented kid being taught by some of the best in the game. But he still has to work for it.
This. Some people are just naturally talented and better than me so I shouldn't even try.
That's literally what Po thought until he was in a position where was allowed to try. You're Po in this movie, he's the protagonist, he's the audience insert, he's the guy you're supposed to relate to. We literally see his dreams, but he's so convinced that he can't be a kung fu master that he hasn't taken a single step towards achieving it. He can't even throw a punch. Because why try when the world is full of masters like the Furious Five? Except you might be capable of incredible, impossible things. Just like Po. But you'd have to try to find out, even in the face of everyone, including your teacher, your heroes, and your family telling you to just give up.
Oh. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the other whiner in this thread.
Fair enough, hard to tell sometimes lol
>To look at this story of a clumsy outcast achieving his dreams through hard work and calling it a story about natural talent reveals a heart full of bitter cynicism.
In reality, countless people work as hard as they possibly can yet never achieve their dreams. Hard work means nothing without luck. Luck is the most important thing in the universe, whether it involve being born talented, or randomly getting special opportunities that other people aren't. One way or another, it's random chance that decides who succeeds and who fails.
This is actually a key theme of the movie, and if you understand the role of "fate" (or chance, or luck) in Chinese culture it makes perfect sense. The sequence of events that get Po in front of Master Oogway's pointing finger is literally comedic, it makes no sense as a logical way of getting a seat at the table. But Oogway, far more than Shifu, understands the role of fate (chance, luck) in the way the universe functions. He intended to point at Tigress, but his intention didn't matter in that moment. He lived his whole life only to pass his legacy on to a person he'd never even met before this moment, but understood that the decision was not his to make. His actual goal was to point at the Dragon Warrior, which he did, even if his intention was something different. None of us are free from the whims of fate (chance, luck) but that doesn't undercut the movies message of willpower and effort. If Tai Lung had attacked the valley at the moment Po was shamefully cramming cookies into his mouth in that kitchen, Po would've been killed. Maybe his natural immunity to acupuncture based attacks would have given him some extra time, but he would've lost in the end.
He was chosen by fate (etc.) but his own decision to succeed and willpower to make it happen were what led to his victory.
>it's random chance that decides who succeeds and who fails.
You'll never, ever succeed at your goals if you spend all your time in your room wishing you had already achieved them. You might not achieve them if you try, but at least you'll have a better chance.
>The first movie is about natural talent always outdoing hard work
no thats the message of the third movie
The virgin
The chad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCD3hg6OEQw
>Kung-Fu panda is masterly crafted psychological warfare
fricking hell, America needs to bring back it's psychiatric clinics and lobotomy
Meds
zoomers do have some good movies when you think about it
and just like Shrek, Dreamworks couldn't leave a good thing alone and inmediately milked it dry
the only time an original Dreamworks film outgrossed a Pixar film in the same year. It did better than Wall-E
I did not know that.
Probably the one year where both studios were at the top of their game. Pixar started their decline after that but Dreamworks still had a few more good years.
Wall-E fricking sucks and I found it extremely boring as a kid. I think they genuinely jerked themselves off when they wrote the script on eco-friendly recycled paper.
homosexual.
Shut up loser.
>The movie has literally no flaws.
it has a huge flaw, Kung Fu Panda 3.
2 wasn't good. It felt very, very rushed in the writing department
Re-watch it. When I was young I didn't like it but now that I'm older, I appreciate it lots.
2 was better
it fricking wasn't. The jokes and one liners are awful. They ruin any attempts at seriousness or bravado
i can probably accept you have a different opinion, as long as we both agree that Kung fu Panda 3 was really awful and retroactively ruined the message of the first one.
yeah, only the first movie is good. It had different directors than the sequels
Like in the climactic battle where Po defeats Tai Lung by sitting on his face and then gunt-punting him
Tai Lung is so based
>Lord Shen, soothsayer, wolf boss, Croc, Ox, Rhyno
every new character in 2. What a lazy sequel
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do not post pictures of my wife without permission
Seth Rogen is in it
2 is already worse than 1 for having poop jokes (the dragon costume scene) 1 had no toilet humor, which was nice given that was a Dreamworks staple back then. Why take a step backwards? Po also mentions that he threw up after climbing Shen palace' stairs
bro Po literally crushes Tai Lung's face with his ass
>The movie has literally no flaws.
Tai Lung should have won
I wish he didn't die tbh
Honestly he did win, but then he got immediately demoralized when he couldn't understand the Dragon Scroll's riddle and then his most powerful technique doesn't work. Gives Po an opening to get the upper hand.
Panda 2 might have the worst comedy and tone balance in a CG film trying to be serious or tackle heavy themes. The only one to give it a run for its money is the Astro Boy film
All the non white kids loved this movie in my private school I thought it was gay
The sequel was better.
I'd rank Megamind one higher, otherwise this is fine.
>Shark Tale at D
>Panda 2 at S
frick you
>El Dorado
>Not S
Great songs, great jokes, and Chel. Based off of a classic too. SSS rank.
Shark Tale is great. One of the most important Dreamworks films ever. It was the first CG film by their Glendale facility, which only made 2D films beforehand
SharkTalegay, your autism never ceases to amaze me.
Antz should be A or S. It's a gem of a film
>dude israeli humor is so funny LMAO
Prince of Egypt is overrated. No amount of great animation can disguise a thin story
>dumb plotgay criticizing Biblical kino
DELIVER US
it peaks in the opening scene
i thought Prince of Egypt lacked a sympathetic cast. Moses, Rameses, Aaron, Tzipporah and the comedic priests weren't very likeable imo
doubling the workload of the slaves because Moses hurt his feelings was petty
Ramses did nothing wrong, Moses is literally just bad at arguing. the whole "Moses's miracles are real but the Egyptian priests' were fake" is total israelitecope as well.
Shark Tale was a good film, whether you like it or not. Lenny is very sympathetic, Sykes is hilarious, Lino is noble and always keeps his dignity, Angie is a sweetheart, and Oscar's character arc is well written
Haven't watched it since I was 6 tbqhwyf
rewatch it. Shark Tale is an experience. It's only 81 mins and a half long without credits anyway
based shark tale enthusiast
Shark Tale is a soulful combination of Finding Nemo, Osmosis Jones, Shrek and mob comedies
>ANTZ and Over The Hedge that low
awful list
look at that el dorado soi face
Ant Z that low? Are you high?
Antz is such a good film. Character models don't hold up, but the script, soundtrack, voice acting, themes and environments definitely do
>first madagascar lower than 2
I dont agree, but sure ill give you that but
>first madagascar lower than DADADADADADA CIRCUS AFRO XD
Also
>el dorado that low
Go frickyourself
Shit take tbh
I got my dick sucked for the entire duration of Monsters v. Aliens in high school. Good movie honestly.
>Shrek 2 above Antz, Madagascar and Megamind
shit taste
Antz in c tier moron
>Tai Lung appears in front of Shifu after a lightning strike
I heard that the director's commentary says he was just waiting for Sifu to blink to do that appearing act
I watched this pretty recently with my little brother and it has some pretty great action scenes that I was probably too dumb to appreciate when I was younger.
>bridge fight
>food fight
>Shifu Tai Lung
and most importantly
>prison escape
Prison escape is such an insanely fluid and rapid sequence while giving an anazing sense of scale of the place itself. The camera is pretty much always moving at rapid pace but never loses focus of Tai Lung. It's great.
They only one I find weak is the final fight because it's basically just the same fat joke repeated many times in a short time span that was already they only other joke before as well.
Yeah, the bridge fight and prison escape scene are proof why we need more 3D animated action films.
Kung Fu Panda or Balls of Fury?
Wasn't James Hong in both?
>all star cast for secondary characters with very little-to-nothing dialogues
it was definitely their best in-house CG film at the time. People forget than Antz and Shrek were made at Pacific Data Images
>Pacific Data Images : Antz, Shrek, Shrek 2, Madagascar, Shrek the Third, Madagascar 2, etc
>in-house : Shark Tale, Over the Hedge, Bee Movie, Kung Fu Panda, etc
there were two pipelines, one at Bay Area and the other at L.A
PDI made Antz and Shrek in Palo Alto, but then moved to Redwood City in 2002 (they needed a bigger building to make Shrek 2 and Madagascar simultaneously) They didn't leave Bay Area so whatever
ah yes, Cinemaphile - television & film, where adults argue over childrens animated movies.
Adults shouldn't be on this board at all so kind of a moot point.
this entire website is for 18 and older
>Oscar, Angie, Lenny, Don Lino, Sykes, Lola, Ernie, Bernie, Frankie, Luca, Katie Current, Don Feinberg, Crazy Joe, "The Shorties", Shrimp, Lucky Day, Worm, Pontrelli, Mrs. Sanchez, Guiseppe, Headphone Guy, Earl, Johnson, Clown Whale, Christina Aguilera jellyfish, Missy Elliott fish
i love the Shark Tale cast. It's quite rich in character personalities and species variety
snow leopards are based af
He gets strong in one montage? Kind of lame.
kung fu panda 3 was comfy i dont get the hate
it's the Return of the Jedi of the trilogy except that it only has its lows and none of the highs
no Tigress striptease
4U
Tai Lung did nothing wrong
should I watch this today? vote below
1 and 2 really are pretty great.
I finally saw 3 recently and something just felt weirdly off about it. Everything about it felt bizarrely rushed, but by the end I also felt like nothing happened. I'm not sure how else to describe it.
Some movies are written because people want to tell a good story. Some are told because people want to make money putting out a movie. It's painfully easy to tell which is which.
Well 2 ended with the sequel bait that Po's dad was alive in the hidden panda village and they never made another movie after the story was wrapped up in 3. So I don't think it was all about the money with that one. Wasn't Shrek 3 or 4 tier where they didn't need to exist.
every single Dreamworks sequel is about the money, with no exception. Sometimes they announce sequels a week after the original film premieres to big numbers
>1998 : Antz
>2001 : Shrek
>2003 : Shrek 4-D
>2004 : Shrek 2, Shark Tale
>2005 : Madagascar
>2006 : Over the Hedge, Flushed Away
>2007 : Shrek the Third, Bee Movie, Shrek the Halls
>2008 : Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar 2
every CG work distributed by Dreamworks up to that point
You know I just realized something funny.
The conflict of Shark Tale is that a shark doesn't want to eat fish because they're sentient and he can be friends with them.
Then in Madagascar, the conflict is that a lion doesn't want to eat zebras and lemurs, and the resolution is to eat fish instead.
I hated that movie ever since I saw it because I laughed at the opening joke about the sushi restaurant being empty (Oh yeah, because that would be cannibalism haha) and then the whole plot revolves around sharks and sentient creatures eating other sentient creatures. I laughed at a joke that makes zero sense within the universes own logic, because pretty much all restaurants in this world would be sushi technically. Feels like they wrote that joke day 1 of the script and never bothered to take it out.
>shark doesn't want to eat fish because they're sentient
he was a vegetarian. He couldn't bring himself to eat a shrimp. Also, both times he has a fish in his mouth (Oscar and Angie) he only lasts a few moments before wanting to puke
congratulations on fundamentally misunderstanding films intended for children
I haven't seen shark tale in like 15 years.
>what do you mean you don't understand? What's there to understand? We've been over this a thousand times. I don't want to have to say it again. You know, you're really giving me agita, you know that? I don't know how else to say this to you, Lenny. You see something, you kill it, you eat it. Period. That's what sharks do. That's a fine tradition. What's the matter with you? Your brother Frankie here, he's a killer. He's beautiful. He does what he's supposed to do. But you... I'm hearing things. You... you gotta understand when you look weak, it makes me look weak. I can't have that... Lenny, Lenny, look at me. Look at me. This handing over the business is for you. It's for both of yous. And you're acting like you don't even want it. I need to know that you can handle that... all right, all right. Right here, in front of me now, eat this
>i'm not asking you anymore. I'm telling ya. Eat it
>son, eat the shrimp!
>no. No. We're gonna do this as a family. Frankie, i want you to take Lenny out and show him the ropes. Son, you're gonna learn how to be a shark, whether you like it or not
i like the dialogue in Shark Tale
the second Shrek film with the Fairy Godmother is one of the worst american films of the 2000s, but society will never acknowledge it
You just watch it for Tigress
This and how to train your dragon were just leagues above any other animated movie
Panda 2 felt incredibly rushed. Everything happens at a breakneck pace. I couldn't connect with it
I wish Shifu had a role in the movie
Tigress wasn’t naked though?
This thread has convinced me to watch every Dreamworks movie again
Skip kung fu panda 3 it sucks.
I remember enjoying it, not as good as the first 2 but enjoyable nonetheless.
stop talking about 2 like it's objectively good, because it isn't. I wouldn't blame anyone who claimed to not liking it
2 is better.
Will Smith fish from Shark Tale was sympathetic to an extent. He was a bachelor and an orphan (his dad is dead and his mom never appears) stuck on a deadend job scrubbing whales' tongues at a Whale Wash, thus following his late dad's footsteps (who worked there for 25 years) and lived in a rented apartment (as shown in the videogame). He was mocked as a kid in a show and tell presentation for admiring his dad's job (he brought to school his gear and employee of the month picture), didn't get much respect from his coworkers or boss, and was at the lower point of the food chain. You can't blame him for wanting to make it big somehow
Woody Allen ant from Antz was sympathetic too. He was an individualist stuck in a collectivist colony with a hive mentality. Like all the other workers, he was forced to become one at birth without any choice. He feels like a cog in a machine, not helped by his therapist telling him that he's insignificant. His dad also flew away when he was a larva and his mom didn't give him any attention (he was the middle child in a family of millions) You can't blame him for being dry and pesimmistic
>The Prince of Egypt
>The Road to El Dorado
>Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron
i blame these dull films for audiences losing interest in 2D. Neither of them told a well constructed story with tight pacing or sympathetic characters. Katzenberg murdered 2D
i say Katzenberg because he micromanaged those films. He practically lived in the facility where they were made and was fully involved in the creative process (to the animators' frustration). I hold him 100% responsible for how boring they turned out
Don't care too much about Spirit but the first two are kino. Good animation, good stories, good songs.
>the first two are kino
they aren't. You're just nostalgic for 2D
No they hold up compared to other 2D movies. I'm not religious any more but the Prince of Egypt is kino, beautiful animation, interesting story and great songs.
El Dorado just has decent animation but it's a great character comedy and again, some great songs.
Both good movies in my book, 2D or no.
>interesting story
we know the story already. The ending is totally predictable
>the ending is totally predictable
The Titanic is one of the highest grossing movies of all time. Do you think many folks were shocked on their first watch? Think the ship going down was a big surprise to a lot of viewers?
Stories don't need to be unpredictable to be engaging and worth watching. Also hard as it may be to believe, not everyone is a Christian, tons of people don't know the story of Moses.
i didn't like Prince of Egypt, and neither did some people back then
https://www.salon.com/1998/12/18/reviewc_5/
Ok? Still kino though
Shame cause they were so beautiful
El Dorado's animation is a 7/10 at best. It's a bit jerky. Also, some of the designs of Prince of Egypt look doofy
kys shark tale gay
it was better than what I expected it to be
For me, it's Atlantis: The Lost Empire
My Religious Studies teacher would put on Kung Fu Panda a lot to teach us about philosophy and stuff. Based.
>Antz, Prince of Egypt, El Dorado, Shrek, Spirit, Sinbad
Antz and Shrek are the only great films of this bunch imo, and that's because they were made by a different studio than the others. Said studio actually cared about good writing
Kung Fu Panda is my GOAT Dreamworks film. One of my favorite original scores too. Zimmer and Powell kill it. Mostly Powell probably. He had more influence over the second film and it sounded even better.
>Antz : Eric Darnell, Tim Johnson
>Shrek : Andrew Adamson, Vicky Jenson
>Shark Tale : Bibo Bergeron, Vicky Jenson, Rob Letterman
>Madagascar : Eric Darnell, Tom McGrath
>Over the Hedge : Karey Kirkpatrick, Tim Johnson
>Bee Movie : Steve Hickner, Simon J. Smith
>Kung Fu Panda : Mark Orborne, John Stevenson
>Monsters vs Aliens : Conrad Vernon, Rob Letterman
>HTTYD : Chris Sanders, Dean DeBlois
>Megamind : Tom McGrath
every director of these 1998-2010 original CG films. Notice that Shark Tale was the only one to have 3 directors
Too many chefs spoil the broth I suppose. Though Shark Tale is at least better than Monsters vs. Aliens.
definitely. Monsters vs Aliens had the Sausage Party director (Conrad Vernon)
Shark Tale is also the only one to have a french director. Bergeron is french. He studied at Gobelins