a tv series marketed to menopausal women. it was a decent enough story, but why would kids ever be interested? at least with Home on the Range the most likely answer is "no one thought they would; the executives were sabotaging the traditional animation department to try and get buy-in for more 3D investments." with recent Disney it feels like delusion
"farm" is the setting, but the story is about a brash older woman interrupting the social harmony of two elderly women and they have to learn to get along because they were all dumped in the same nursing home
Nah there needs to be more bad movies in a row for it to count as a dork/dark age.
Like the last dark age we had, in a row: >Brother Bear >Chicken Little >Home on the Range >Meet the Robinsons
Before the climb out with Bolt, Princess and the Frog, and Tangled
Believe it or not, Raya actually reviewed better than The Princess and the Frog.
No one went to see it and it got fricked by COVID. It's not an A+ effort but it's not Strange World tier even.
Not him but it's a shitty movie with a shitty message about how "You normal/disabled kids are totally special and worthwhile!...So long as you go to insane lengths to prove your value as a human being or do something completely niche and contrived once to help your betters, anyway, if you try hard enough your family will love you so much kids!" that has the most mexican version of Columbia to ever exist. It's fricking trash.
I've not seen Wish yet but Chicken Little and HOtR are both orders of magnitude worse than either Raya or Strange World. A second total critical bomb like Wish is looking to be would convince me it's a new dark age though.
Chicken Little and HoTR were at least interesting and somewhat unique, even if the execution was horrible. For better or for worse, you'll never see other films like like them. Raya and Strange World are the exact opposite, they're the poster children of generic slop.
I mean, Encanto is the only thing saving them from a large string of bad films. >Ralph Breaks the Internet >Raya >Encanto >Strange World
And now Wish.
Is one decent movie really enough to stop it from being a dark age? A score of 1/5? A 20% success rate?
The amount of effort Disney put into this one being the magic anneversery special makes it sting more.
>Trusting the opinions of critics.
Definitely not to be trusted, but I typically like disney shit less than they do. I can't remember the last disney thing that I rated higher than them.
I mean, Encanto is the only thing saving them from a large string of bad films. >Ralph Breaks the Internet >Raya >Encanto >Strange World
And now Wish.
Is one decent movie really enough to stop it from being a dark age? A score of 1/5? A 20% success rate?
To me were at 1/6 good movies. But critically, they're still doing better than previous "dark ages". 3/6 of the movies are getting about the same reviews they have been getting since 2010. But Critics have lost so much bite when it comes to Disney, that Wish dropping this low is probably devastating for Disney internally. Especially when theaters are in such a weak state.
Outside of Star, the movie is also so unmarketable compared to previous Disney films. The plot isn't interesting. There's no really big pretty animation moments to showcase. Asha's and her friends outfits are so dull. I have no idea how they expect any kids to want toys of her. I expect them to try for a few months, then drop the main characters and triple down on merch for Star. Targeting plush-loving millennial women.
No one likes Chicken Little except zoomers who are nostalgic for it. Brother Bear and Meet the Robinsons have plenty of defenders but I've never seen anyone come to bat for Chicken Little
Don't let the vocal minorities for crap like Atalantis fool you. Everything after Hercules and before Princess and the Frog is absolute dogshit and everybody knew it. All I can say for Tarzan and Brother Bear is I like the OST, especially the latter.
Also that was the second dark age, technically the third. We're in the fourth now.
Where have you been the new Dark Age started back when Disney shit out the Last Jedi.
But we just reached the crescendo this year.
Disney literally has top 3 of the worst box office bombs of all time all in one year.
That what happens when you have terrible writers staff and over worked CGI staff now looking to Unionize. Not to mention the changing social landscape and Disney’s inability to actually see that coming.
You mix that up and Bomb you get a massive multi billion dollar company staggering under its own weight.
They have to change the entire leadership on top or else the company is gonna lose way more then just a stupid hotel and a couple IP relevancy.
Shit starts from the top and eventually filters down my guy, it always does. It was only a matter of time before the poison infested Disney as a Whole.
Here are the Disney, Pixar and Marvel releases since 2020:
>Wish >The Marvels >Haunted Mansion >Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny >Elemental >Little Mermaid (Live Action) >Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 >Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania >Strange World >Black Panther: Wakanda Forever >Thor: Love and Thunder >Lightyear >Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness >Encanto >Eternals >Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings >Jungle Cruise >Black Widow >Raya and the Last Dragon >Soul >Mulan >Artemis Fowl
There's a few solid movies in there but their batting average is horrible. Should call this period the garbage era.
How the fricking christ have they
A. Released that much shit in 3 years, counting onward that's 23 movies in 3 fricking years
and
B. Had it be almost entirely fricking garbage. Like there's seriously only like, three "okay" movies in that entire fricking shitpile.
>Released that much shit in 3 years, counting onward that's 23 movies in 3 fricking years
8 films a year is not a lot. Universal is putting out about 14 this year
The only movie of all of those that I haven't already seen that I feel like I should probably go watch is Elemental, since I've heard its a way better movie than is given credit.
The other ones that I liked on that list are Soul and GotG Vol 3. Both had real soul (heh) to them, even if they weren't perfect. The rest feel so cashgrabby and worthless.
Elemental is honestly good. Not spectacular, but I don't see why the critics rated it so harshly when objectively worse movies like WIR2 or Frozen1/2 were handled with kid gloves.
I count: >4 box office disappointments >13 outright bombs >3 Marvel sequels that made less than the previous franchise installment (Thor, BP, GotG)
Last three years have been utterly dismal for Disney. They cannot keep going on like this.
>Going to bomb >bomb >mega bomb >bomb due to super inflated budget >disappointment >disappointment >made less than GotG vol 2 >disappointment >mega bomb >disappointment, first BP made over a billion dollars >disappointment, made less than Ragnarok >mega bomb >riding the hype from Spider-Man NWH, but disappointment couldn't break the billion threshold >disappointment, but mega popular on streaming >disappointment, possible flop >disappointment, made less than Venom 2 >bomb >bomb >bomb >bomb >fricked by covid, D+ release (probably would have bombed) >lmao bombed
It.s already online. There's another thread with the whole movie explained.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wow they really are turning him into the mirror. lmao frick Disney.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wow they really are turning him into the mirror. lmao frick Disney.
Not only is it really hackneyed to explain the mirror's origin, but the mirror's power has no thematic link to Magnifico in anyway.
The mirror has nothing to do with wishes, and is more like a fortuneteller or seer.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Lol don’t think so hard about it just a kids movie who cares about his origin anyway
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Just ignore shitty story telling. It's for children anyway, and they shouldn't have nice things
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it’s online guyz, we’re gonna make it lose money
moron
>CGI movie that half asses style compared to Puss in Boots and Spiderverse with an incredibly meh looking plot >Sequel to a movie almost no one actually liked and was watched because it might have been important to a different movie >Legacy character teams up with new younger protege (who just so happens to share overt qualities with Lucasfilm boss Kathleen Kennedy for some reason) after multitudes of these have been made and sucked
I can see why these would bomb. Whether or not they're the biggest of all time, I don't know.
She's so fricking cute bros... I hate economically challenged urban youth like you wouldn't believe and the movie kinda looks like a PSX cutscene but I just find her so damn cute...
why do people hate Home in the range? it's one of my favorite movies >inb4 it was the last hand drawn movie before Disney went full CGI
it wasn't the movie's fault, Disney already was pushing and pushing CGI movies
>The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
It was okay. The funny tomato site has it on 90+ on each side unlike Wish which is already one rotten, if we look at sites with wmore integrity, IMDBs average is 7.3. Think the only people that actively hate this movie are png cartoon youtubers
This movie just has kind of a bizarre concept. Like, it’s hard to sell the general audience on a film about a fairly vague concept like “wishes”. Even seeing the trailer, all I got was “bad king dude only gives out some wishes, but good protagonist girl wants to give everyone wishes”. I don’t see that hooking the general audience.
that'd make more sense but the king is granting wishes that's good for everyone not just one guy. if one guy wished for a sandwich it wouldn't make sense to grant it, it's a waste of a wish so to benefit the whole kingdom he takes that guys wish and makes a sandwich for everyone. that guy gets his sandwich and so does everyone else.
The problem is that it goes against the principal logic of a story involving magical wishes (that they should be used sparingly, can be dangerous, and often go wrong, ie be careful what you wish for) The plot basically has to do gymnastics to try and make it work.
One of the very first pieces of promo said the film would be about the origins of the wishing star in more famous films like Pinnochio, which was interesting IMO. Didn't expect to get something so generic for such a lofty concept, I thought the b***h was going to die and become the star or something
>the origins of the wishing star in more famous films like Pinnochio
I'm pretty sure Collody is not just rolling inside his grave, but is ready to resurrect himself into a zombie and start the first undead shooting ever existed.
It doesn't help that the moral just feels off.
Like the whole thing with the movie is that the bad guy thinks "Wishes should be limited but not all wishes can come true" and the good guy argues "No, all wishes should be true and everyoner should get everything they wanted".
Like that's just a fundamentally weird thing right? Like usually the bad guy is the one that wants immidiate self pleasures and the good guys learn "you can't always get what you want but sometimes you get what you need".
This is what happens when you replace good writers who want to tell incredible, heartfelt stories with a bunch of College woketards who are hyperfocused on representation and think the color of the character's skin is more important than their story.
You fricked up, Disney. You bought the bridge and you fricked all the way up.
I mean for being such an awful concept and obviously the result of blatant corporate sabotage, Home on the Range made the most of it.
>I mean for being such an awful concept
It is more of a tv series than movie
a tv series marketed to menopausal women. it was a decent enough story, but why would kids ever be interested? at least with Home on the Range the most likely answer is "no one thought they would; the executives were sabotaging the traditional animation department to try and get buy-in for more 3D investments." with recent Disney it feels like delusion
Farms are common setting for animated series, even 101 Dalmatians got one
"farm" is the setting, but the story is about a brash older woman interrupting the social harmony of two elderly women and they have to learn to get along because they were all dumped in the same nursing home
Home on the Range and Jungle Book gave me a hypnosis fetish
>29% audience score
There’s no way THAT many people hated Home on the Range this much.
probably votes based on reputation alone
No, it was universally hated.
It was really bad, especially for a Disney film
Alameda Slim was the only good part of the movie
Nah there needs to be more bad movies in a row for it to count as a dork/dark age.
Like the last dark age we had, in a row:
>Brother Bear
>Chicken Little
>Home on the Range
>Meet the Robinsons
Before the climb out with Bolt, Princess and the Frog, and Tangled
>implying Meet the Robinsons is bad
it's mediocre
We got Raya
Believe it or not, Raya actually reviewed better than The Princess and the Frog.
No one went to see it and it got fricked by COVID. It's not an A+ effort but it's not Strange World tier even.
They were all scared to negatively review it after what happened to Lindsey Ellis
>Raya
>Strange World
>Wish
How many more do you need in a row?
>ignoring Encanto
frick off
I forget that’s a thing
you're a moronic homosexual than
Not him but it's a shitty movie with a shitty message about how "You normal/disabled kids are totally special and worthwhile!...So long as you go to insane lengths to prove your value as a human being or do something completely niche and contrived once to help your betters, anyway, if you try hard enough your family will love you so much kids!" that has the most mexican version of Columbia to ever exist. It's fricking trash.
>than
You have no right to call others moronic
it was so forgettable, i don't even remember the main plot
You should rewatch it. It was designed to be watched multiple times.
Inter-generational trauma again.
Encanto actually did terribly in theaters it was only after it hit streaming did it get a bigger reception
I've not seen Wish yet but Chicken Little and HOtR are both orders of magnitude worse than either Raya or Strange World. A second total critical bomb like Wish is looking to be would convince me it's a new dark age though.
after watching them I can definitely say nah, Raya and Strange World are worse
Chicken little was too much of a DreamWorks rip-off, but it is disgusting to look at like Strange World
Chicken Little and HoTR were at least interesting and somewhat unique, even if the execution was horrible. For better or for worse, you'll never see other films like like them. Raya and Strange World are the exact opposite, they're the poster children of generic slop.
You forgot Frozen 2.
Okay so 1/6 good movies.
A pass rate of 17%.
We are officially at a dark age proven by math.
We've been getting bad movies since Ralph Breaks the Internet. Moana was the last good WDAS movie
The amount of effort Disney put into this one being the magic anneversery special makes it sting more.
Definitely not to be trusted, but I typically like disney shit less than they do. I can't remember the last disney thing that I rated higher than them.
I mean, Encanto is the only thing saving them from a large string of bad films.
>Ralph Breaks the Internet
>Raya
>Encanto
>Strange World
And now Wish.
Is one decent movie really enough to stop it from being a dark age? A score of 1/5? A 20% success rate?
To me were at 1/6 good movies. But critically, they're still doing better than previous "dark ages". 3/6 of the movies are getting about the same reviews they have been getting since 2010. But Critics have lost so much bite when it comes to Disney, that Wish dropping this low is probably devastating for Disney internally. Especially when theaters are in such a weak state.
Outside of Star, the movie is also so unmarketable compared to previous Disney films. The plot isn't interesting. There's no really big pretty animation moments to showcase. Asha's and her friends outfits are so dull. I have no idea how they expect any kids to want toys of her. I expect them to try for a few months, then drop the main characters and triple down on merch for Star. Targeting plush-loving millennial women.
no metacritic review of winnie the pooh?
>Bolt
>Not part of dark age
lole
>Princess and the Frog
>Not part of dark age
lol
You can't call it that anymore. It's the black age.
Actually it's Era of Color Age
Meet the Robinsons was flawed but had an incredible amount of heart. Bolt was awful.
Brother Bear was phenomenal, Chicken Little is a cult classic and Meet The Robinsons is clever. I didn't think people hated these films.
No one likes Chicken Little except zoomers who are nostalgic for it. Brother Bear and Meet the Robinsons have plenty of defenders but I've never seen anyone come to bat for Chicken Little
Don't let the vocal minorities for crap like Atalantis fool you. Everything after Hercules and before Princess and the Frog is absolute dogshit and everybody knew it. All I can say for Tarzan and Brother Bear is I like the OST, especially the latter.
Also that was the second dark age, technically the third. We're in the fourth now.
Package era wasn't that bad.
Home on the range had SOME good jokes at least.
Wish sounds like it's just a mess from start to finish.
>Trusting the opinions of critics.
Yeah. If this wasn't Disney it would be much lower. The dumb bimbo Grace Randolph gave it a pass because of "Disney magic"
Ah yes the same Grace who said Barbie was one of the greatest films ever made. Lmao of course she’s give Disney slop a pass
Wtf is Home on the Range?
From anyone who's seen wish, IS it worse than home on the range?
Where have you been the new Dark Age started back when Disney shit out the Last Jedi.
But we just reached the crescendo this year.
Disney literally has top 3 of the worst box office bombs of all time all in one year.
That what happens when you have terrible writers staff and over worked CGI staff now looking to Unionize. Not to mention the changing social landscape and Disney’s inability to actually see that coming.
You mix that up and Bomb you get a massive multi billion dollar company staggering under its own weight.
They have to change the entire leadership on top or else the company is gonna lose way more then just a stupid hotel and a couple IP relevancy.
>the new Dark Age started back when Disney shit out the Last Jedi.
Last I remembered that wasn’t a Disney animated film
Shit starts from the top and eventually filters down my guy, it always does. It was only a matter of time before the poison infested Disney as a Whole.
Here are the Disney, Pixar and Marvel releases since 2020:
>Wish
>The Marvels
>Haunted Mansion
>Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
>Elemental
>Little Mermaid (Live Action)
>Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3
>Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
>Strange World
>Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
>Thor: Love and Thunder
>Lightyear
>Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
>Encanto
>Eternals
>Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
>Jungle Cruise
>Black Widow
>Raya and the Last Dragon
>Soul
>Mulan
>Artemis Fowl
There's a few solid movies in there but their batting average is horrible. Should call this period the garbage era.
Forgot Onward
How the fricking christ have they
A. Released that much shit in 3 years, counting onward that's 23 movies in 3 fricking years
and
B. Had it be almost entirely fricking garbage. Like there's seriously only like, three "okay" movies in that entire fricking shitpile.
>Released that much shit in 3 years, counting onward that's 23 movies in 3 fricking years
8 films a year is not a lot. Universal is putting out about 14 this year
Wow look at all that POOP!
Out of 22 things, there's maybe 3 things that wasn't mid to shit.
The only movie of all of those that I haven't already seen that I feel like I should probably go watch is Elemental, since I've heard its a way better movie than is given credit.
The other ones that I liked on that list are Soul and GotG Vol 3. Both had real soul (heh) to them, even if they weren't perfect. The rest feel so cashgrabby and worthless.
Elemental is honestly good. Not spectacular, but I don't see why the critics rated it so harshly when objectively worse movies like WIR2 or Frozen1/2 were handled with kid gloves.
>current year
>still pretending Frozen 1 is bad
Frozen is mediocre, carried by one earworm of a song.
>still going with this
just admit it was good
Let it go.
I count:
>4 box office disappointments
>13 outright bombs
>3 Marvel sequels that made less than the previous franchise installment (Thor, BP, GotG)
Last three years have been utterly dismal for Disney. They cannot keep going on like this.
>Going to bomb
>bomb
>mega bomb
>bomb due to super inflated budget
>disappointment
>disappointment
>made less than GotG vol 2
>disappointment
>mega bomb
>disappointment, first BP made over a billion dollars
>disappointment, made less than Ragnarok
>mega bomb
>riding the hype from Spider-Man NWH, but disappointment couldn't break the billion threshold
>disappointment, but mega popular on streaming
>disappointment, possible flop
>disappointment, made less than Venom 2
>bomb
>bomb
>bomb
>bomb
>fricked by covid, D+ release (probably would have bombed)
>lmao bombed
we are in a shitty era since star wars 7
>top 3 worst box office bombs of all time in one year
? ? ?
>Wish
>The Marvels
>Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
How can you call Wish a bomb when it hasn't even been released yet?
Nobody will see this movie in the cinema, they are going to wait for it to come out online.
you’re a moron
You don't have an argument?
If you think it’ll be a massive bomb, you are a massive moron
That's not an argument, and I have no faith in the success of this movie.
It.s already online. There's another thread with the whole movie explained.
Wow they really are turning him into the mirror. lmao frick Disney.
Not only is it really hackneyed to explain the mirror's origin, but the mirror's power has no thematic link to Magnifico in anyway.
The mirror has nothing to do with wishes, and is more like a fortuneteller or seer.
Lol don’t think so hard about it just a kids movie who cares about his origin anyway
>Just ignore shitty story telling. It's for children anyway, and they shouldn't have nice things
>it’s online guyz, we’re gonna make it lose money
moron
No, you
>CGI movie that half asses style compared to Puss in Boots and Spiderverse with an incredibly meh looking plot
>Sequel to a movie almost no one actually liked and was watched because it might have been important to a different movie
>Legacy character teams up with new younger protege (who just so happens to share overt qualities with Lucasfilm boss Kathleen Kennedy for some reason) after multitudes of these have been made and sucked
I can see why these would bomb. Whether or not they're the biggest of all time, I don't know.
What a perfect way to celebrate 100 years
She's so fricking cute bros... I hate economically challenged urban youth like you wouldn't believe and the movie kinda looks like a PSX cutscene but I just find her so damn cute...
There is no way in hell this movie is worse than Home on the Range.
why do people hate Home in the range? it's one of my favorite movies
>inb4 it was the last hand drawn movie before Disney went full CGI
it wasn't the movie's fault, Disney already was pushing and pushing CGI movies
>why do people hate Home in the range?
All the weird hypno fetish of Jungle Book without any sexy chocolate shota boy
Alameda Slim > any of the gay I was le sad villains
>mom can we have a dark age?
>The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
HPL would have enjoyed the recent Puss in Boots.
>Everyone pretending Raya is a widely hated film
I throught it was bad too but at least I dont gaslight myself
How would you describe reception? I know it was hated here, but we don't like SE asians here so it's not representative.
It was okay. The funny tomato site has it on 90+ on each side unlike Wish which is already one rotten, if we look at sites with wmore integrity, IMDBs average is 7.3. Think the only people that actively hate this movie are png cartoon youtubers
This movie just has kind of a bizarre concept. Like, it’s hard to sell the general audience on a film about a fairly vague concept like “wishes”. Even seeing the trailer, all I got was “bad king dude only gives out some wishes, but good protagonist girl wants to give everyone wishes”. I don’t see that hooking the general audience.
They should have made is that the king only grants wishes that also helps him instead.
that'd make more sense but the king is granting wishes that's good for everyone not just one guy. if one guy wished for a sandwich it wouldn't make sense to grant it, it's a waste of a wish so to benefit the whole kingdom he takes that guys wish and makes a sandwich for everyone. that guy gets his sandwich and so does everyone else.
The problem is that it goes against the principal logic of a story involving magical wishes (that they should be used sparingly, can be dangerous, and often go wrong, ie be careful what you wish for) The plot basically has to do gymnastics to try and make it work.
One of the very first pieces of promo said the film would be about the origins of the wishing star in more famous films like Pinnochio, which was interesting IMO. Didn't expect to get something so generic for such a lofty concept, I thought the b***h was going to die and become the star or something
>the origins of the wishing star in more famous films like Pinnochio
I'm pretty sure Collody is not just rolling inside his grave, but is ready to resurrect himself into a zombie and start the first undead shooting ever existed.
It doesn't help that the moral just feels off.
Like the whole thing with the movie is that the bad guy thinks "Wishes should be limited but not all wishes can come true" and the good guy argues "No, all wishes should be true and everyoner should get everything they wanted".
Like that's just a fundamentally weird thing right? Like usually the bad guy is the one that wants immidiate self pleasures and the good guys learn "you can't always get what you want but sometimes you get what you need".
It's usually the sort of thinking the good guy has initially before learning that's actually a terrible idea. Bruce Almighty is literally that.
Well you see the protagonist is a black woman so she can’t be wrong.
Good, it's awful.
Queen Amaya will die alone and unloved
Amerimutt companies seem to really love wasting money
That happens when you have practically infinite money.
I really think that they should have done a 2D traditional animated film with a GOOD plot and characters for the 100th anniversary.
Seriously why does it feel like they were fricking cheapskates with this movie? Encanto had way better music than this one...
Dark age started with Ralph Breaks the Internet, anon.
Really it started when Lasseter was fired and Lee was made CCO in his place.
Exactly!
I'm sure Laseseter had jackshit to do with WiR sequel.
>Lassetergay is still at it
คนไทยมาปิดตำนาน 100 ปี Disney ได้ฉิบหายแบบสะใจได้ดีจริง ๆ
Thai story director have only one target to destroy Disney and she did it so successfully than I thought.
Good job
This is what happens when you replace good writers who want to tell incredible, heartfelt stories with a bunch of College woketards who are hyperfocused on representation and think the color of the character's skin is more important than their story.
You fricked up, Disney. You bought the bridge and you fricked all the way up.
Home on the Range has the superior villains song so it gets the superior score.
Disney's death would be good for animation
>Take animation seriously
Then kill the beast that's ruining it in the first place