>the new generation is incapable of watching anything without being told what they’re saying
Zooners are hopeless.
>the new generation is incapable of watching anything without being told what theyre saying
>the new generation is incapable of watching anything without being told what they’re saying
Zooners are hopeless.
Sound mixing is horrible now. Zoomers are actually right about this.
do they seem intelligent and articulate to you?
Majority no, but that is also the case with millenials, generation X, boomers etc.
No, there's a clear line. Us millennials were a gay generation but zoomer level of moronation are unprecedented
>zoomers
>being right about anything
Do you believe trannies are real women too?
Of course they are. If you believe you're a woman then you're a woman.
>defending modern Hollywood practices but accusing others of being trannies
Dilate and kys
its also because we're all poor and live in apartments. plus during the summer the AC can over power it. I do think the mixing is just shit now in most streaming slop too thoustever
I’m a millennial and started using subtitles on everything about 7 years an ago because if the AC in my old apartment. But I got a house a couple years ago and still use subtitles. I think the sound mixing is legitimately bad now days.
>can't tell time on a clock with hands
>can't read cursive
>can't follow a movie without subs
>can't do math worth a shit
Import the third world, and become the third world.
>LOUD BOOMING ACTION
>voice-speaking volume at 1/5 the action volume
it's so tiring.
I reckon third worlders are better at these things, it's the widespread access to technology on every level that makes zoomers stupid
>classrooms are becoming less white
>classroom test scores falling
Coincidence?
yes we see you goyim you can stop flailing now
<KEY> af toggle lavfi=[loudnorm]
I think it has more to do with audio mixing being terrible
you will never be a woman, zoom zoom
spare the homosexual brackets reddit Black person
I think acting has more of the blame, actors shouldn't mumble their lines in the name of "naturality"
it's not their decision, and it's common for the on-set dialogue to be replaced anyway. mumbles are hard for mics to pic up in the first place so a lot of it is ADR, which the mixers push down even lower
>zoomers are... READING DIALOGUE?! they're hopeless
I've always used subtitles and I just turned 30.
This article has to be at least a decade old. Zoomers don't watch TV.
Most people use TV to also mean streaming, only autists are that literal
>dude it's the sound mixing
no it's not. you just can't pay attention enough. subtitles ruin the pacing and should be a last resort. I have dated zoomer women and it fricking drives me insane they all must have them on b***h YOU SPEAK ENGLISH SHUT UP AND LISTEN
Subtitles means they are actually paying attention to the screen, so I'm calling bs here.
>subtitles ruin the pacing and should be a last resort.
Were you one of the those brainlets who cant watch foreign movies because you can't read quick enough?
disingenuous low IQ post
I used to only watch with subtitles for years and one day I decided to try watching something without them and you accurately described my experience using them for a decade and then turning them off.
I've always used subtitles because I'm ESL and sometimes the sounds mush together in a way that takes a bit of extra help to parse
English subtitles are often abbreviated versions of what is actually being said by the characters. Usually this means conjucting words in a sentence to have them appear together on screen at the same time. This alone can change the emphasis implied by the character, but way too often, the subtitles will just be flat out incorrect or infer the opposite of what a character is saying.
It's not just a problem with unofficial subtitles in obscure languages. Watching ESL reactors react to media in english can be frustrating as you see them miss important plot points because of confusing/incorrect subtitles in the official translations.
i hate this and why i can't enjoy foreign stuff anymore.. just keep fixating on what i probably missed out on
i want the autist subtitles that includes sentences on top of the screen too to explain cultural references
If you don't understand the cultural references a small line of text won't help you understand it either.
watching movies at home on shit tvs in shit apartments with paper thin walls because real e$tate the$e days
I think it starts because everyone just watches their own media alone in their rooms instead of communally in the living room with everyone like we used to do. That makes zoomers used to having to watch media like they are anne frank with the volume low with subtitles and then they prefer it.
>what are headphones
zoomers keep losing their airpods
not good/sociable to have your ears obstructed like that..
Share the article? Maybe it's about people who watch foreign content.
Other than that, it's really harder to understand English in the movies compered to real life. I'm not a native English speaker but i can always understand regular videos in the internet. but when it's comes to movies, i miss like %30 of dialogs without subtitles. Maybe because sentences are more eccentric in movies, idk.
I think the sound mixing explanation is probably right. the competency crisis is here and the mouthbreathers who make movies are definitely not excluded.
>dialogue
>struggle to hear
>have to turn the volume up to fricking 50 on my TV
>sound effects start and nearly blow out my eardrums
>have to lower the volume back to 15
the dialogue is much quieter than the rest of the movie. the people who do it are morons. zoomers are also of course moronic so the issue will only become worse
All of the data and statistics for generation demographics are completely fricked now because of immigration. For all we know they're probably surveyed 10,000,000 ESL "zoomer" "americans" whose parents can't even speak english.
Americans have always been low IQ, so I imagine their zoomers are even worse
I use them because i spend so much time reading and so little time interacting with other people that its difficult to process audible speech fast enough vs just reading it
there it is
or it's more likely old people dont listen or care about the dialogue and just consoom slop like a sponge
As an ESL how the frick am I supposed to discern what Rust mumbles under his breath for example, without turning subtitles on?
I don’t like subtitles because they show the dialogue before they actor actually starts talking. If I were to watch a foreign kino, that’s the only time I’d use subtitles
Are there any ai tvs yet that extract the dialogue in real time and boost it if it's inaudible. Where the frick is the feature at on the Nvidia shield
i'm not native english speaker, also have bad hearing so i use english subtitles
you don't need "ai tvs", use 2.0 channel track if you don't have surround audio setup. if you use 5.1 track, dialogue is usually middle speaker which you don't have in normal stereo setup.
if that does not help. there's usually setting like "normalize" and/or "regain volume" might be with different names depending on device/player you use. it basically makes low noises louder and very loud noises lower or something along those lines.
there's also ways to downmix from 5.1 to 2.0. but it all just depends what you're using. mess with tv settings/pc settings/amp settings/bluray player settings. whatever you have.
that shit doesn't work, it's still ass
see if you can stomach this homosexual vox video that explains why
>even linking that soi boy shit
have a nice day
>you can't just make dialogue louder because WE NEED to hav big boom! sounds
Ever seen a pair of speakers that's as thin as a television set?
Even a Bluetooth speaker?
It's not the mixing that's at fault, it's the delivery system. Although, it's also possible that people aren't watching stuff with a dedicated stereo signal these days and relying on cheap electronics to downmix it.
I have a 5.1 system and everything sounds great, even stuff like tenet.
>inb4 homosexuals with a atmosTM certified sound bar (lol) call me a poorgay
I am a poorgay tho, my TV is small and more than 10 years old, I just spent the cost of a new TV on second hand audio stuff.
You don't need AI for that, dialogue usually has it's own dedicated track.
Maybe they should start audio mixing for the TVs people have? Most people are poorgays living in urban housing blocks.
They should, I agree.
If I was a hollywood bigshot I would do that and have a big press tour about it to get people to like me.
They should also stop charging people $100s and $100s for television sets that require people to buy a soundbar just to meet minimum sound quality.
Another thing you can do if you can't afford decent sound stuff is just spend $50 on a decent set of headphones and just use those if, god forbid, you're watching a movie on your own. Won't be as good as surround sound, but you won't miss dialogue or anything. I was doing that for years and never had an issue with sound quality or legibility.
the people making shows are increasingly out of touch with what the audiences want
Thats why theres blacks in some media
I'm not a zoomer and I increasingly use subtitles
Audio mixing nowadays is messed up. And everyone is mumbling. Also it lets me watch even though I'm doing something else that requires silence or listening
Subs are convenient tbh
Part of this is because a lot of people are watching media on their smartphones. Modern TVs also have bad audio systems. The speakers are on the back, so all sounds would basically be muffled if the TV is against a wall.
Listening requires more focus than reading, and it's hard for people to focus after their brains are turned ADHD-addled mush from years of internet use.
>Driving with GPS
>Video games with mini-maps
>Tests with open-book
>reaction videos with some dumbass pointing up at the video
the kids have a game going on one device while they're banting with other players, scrolling tiktok on another device, and the movie is just atmosphere, so they just glance over and read the subs when something actually happens in the movie, you fricking boomers
Mass zoomer death
this is fine but then they act like it's not the case and it actually the movies fault. just admit this is how you watch movies and let me enjoy a subtitle free movie with good dynamic range.
I feel bad for the normal kids with normal parents who are surrounded by all this fricking zoomerism. They're the outcast nerds of this generation.
>pitying normies
frick off. they're living it up no matter how much they pretend to suffer
Normies are abnormal, there's just way more of them. When I say "normal", I mean people like me. Everyone else is a fricking freak.
The amount of 30/40-something wasted-lifes on here attributing random shit to "zoomers" is getting tiring. Go have your midlife crisis somewhere else.
zoom zoom
If I ever see a punk ass zoomer doing this I will slap that ipad out of their estrogen riddled hands
bizarre thing to get pissed off about. get that checked out
understandable thing to get pissed about
>watching english TV show
>suddenly characters start speaking a different language for a full scene
>only way to know what is happening is to turn on subtitles
this happens a lot these days
>mfw all the smoothbrains in this thread don't realize that certain devices hooked up to a tv can automatically trigger the audio channel to switch to 5.1 to adjust for a surround sound system that may or may not be there
Also some TVs have it turned on out of the box and if you don't switch the setting back to the tv speakers than all your movies will sound like a Nolan joint. If this is happening to you there's a 90% likelihood that your audio setting is at the 5.1 setting
As someone who understands technology I have no fricking clue how the normies live with the abysmal UI/UX of modern hardware and software.
more americans are learning to read because they can't hear their movies.
And that's a good thing!
>be ESL
>watch movie like blade runner
>audio is loud as frick
>everyone just mumbles in a really low voice
>close to impossible to hear what they say
I don't understand how you can watch without subs, and I don't get the hate for subs. Do Americans really have a hard time reading?
>Zooners
The mutt sludge actors of now don't know how to speak properly
>mutt sludge
This sounds so much better than "goyslop this goyslop that" lol. Muttsludge.
well one is the product, other is the actors. but i agree it's nice to expand the vocabulary
I'm unironically confused at what you're mad at.
meh.. still better than the western viewers who'll tolerate shitty dubs so they don't need to read-watch foreign language stuff
>watching Nolan movies
You get what you deserve
The real headline is that modern audio mixing is so fricking awful that it can force brain-fried, ADHD, borderline illiterate zoomers to read.
i been doing this since 2000 or so DVD Players became a thing and had easy to use subtitles with every movie, usually made the movie easier to follow if it had a lot of complicated jargain or had too much shit going on and loud action or whatever where it was hard to make out what the character was saying. also especially good for british movies cuz they moron accents are hard to make out
>made the movie easier to follow if it had a lot of complicated jargain or had too much shit going on and loud action or whatever
you're not supposed to understand every word when that is happening. nolan is trying to get us to understand this. the dialog is NOT the most important element in the soundmix. sometimes it can take a backseat. it's autism that you need to understand every single word at all times.
If a word isn't important it shouldn't be in the movie at all.
it's an ensemble. it's like going to see an orchestra and needing to see the sheet music for the viola parts. it's all part of a greater whole. the focus on dialog being the most important thing to hear is very amatuer and basic. movies are an ensemble of audio and visual to tell a story, it's not a book being read to you.
In an orchestra great care is taken so that you can hear every instrument.
If you don't think a line of dialogue matters you should cut it out of your movie. Especially in Nolan's movies which are full of overlong terribly written dialogue.
>Especially in Nolan's movies which are full of overlong terribly written dialogue.
then what's your fricking problem with not being able to hear it perfectly? it's just some flavor for the scene. it's infuriating that you midwits cannot grasp this concept that nolan doesn't use dialog like a tv sitcom. it's more nuanced and subtle than that. he knows what he's doing and you're just too stupid to get it.
>mumbly inaudible terrible dialogue gives the scene so much flavour
wow what a high IQ cope, I bet you enjoy Rick & Morty
You're a massive massive massive homosexual.
Ironically some people do take music to concerts. Not entirely sure of the demographic cross-section - my gut feeling is that it's mostly over-compensating amateurs.
Not always true. Perhaps theoretically. There's a lot going on in an orchestral texture - ideally you'd rely on the composer writing the music in such a way that the "important" stuff is always audible, but sometimes it comes down to what the conductor thinks is more important.
Nolan probably gets final say on the mix in his films - unlikely to be a sound engineer going rogue.
>Nolan probably gets final say on the mix in his films - unlikely to be a sound engineer going rogue.
Nolan optimizes his mix for Dolby Atmos systems only.
Because Nolan doesn't make actual movies, he makes theme park rides that require fancy tech to enjoy.
boomer here, I've always watched tv with subtitles, back when teletext was a thing
I do not give a frick about zoomers. But this whole thing is a fricking correlation of people consuming much more non-english movies/series and using subtitles instead of dubbing not a causation of short attention span.
No more theater actors who know how to fricking speak properly. It's just "realistic" mumbles & dogshit audio
so we can listen to podcasts
I wonder why
Plus it's only really the brits who produce actors who cut their teeth on stage first. It should be obligatory for all actors so they learn not to mumble like morons and expect someone in mixing to fix it for them.
Of course, you don't want to act on film like you would act on stage. But it's easier to dial down something than dial it up.
i got used to subs as a kid from anime and have used them ever since. not a zoomer
English is not my first language. But still, in my language, I do not notice such a difference in pronunciation, which exists even in America alone.
Holy shit why does the topic of reading subtitles have to turn into some debate about bullshit? What the frick is wrong with everyone, why do we need to deconstruct every aspect of life? Disgusting.