the only reason 'magneto was right' is because the x-men are published by a company that cannot change the status quo or bring a book to a definitive end. the second charles xavier is right is the second x-men books have to stop being published. its a cynical storyline produced by a cynical publisher.
the only logical reaction to an unending status quo of persecution is pessimism or outright nihilism.
It could work if the situation was that they were actually mostly powerless. I don’t mean they can’t have superpowers, just that compared to whatever defense system humans have, their power would be negligible by comparison. The status quo but isn’t the issue. The issue is that they’re stronger than people and as a result shouldn’t continuously be pushovers.
look amigo, I'm drunk as frick. I don't really visit Cinemaphile since moot left and you all drank the incel/alt right/drumpft/peg me moosk-kun coom, but I don't understand how you little shits keep confusing three principles
1. Marvel is a corporation, they don't ever want to let their main characters do something so irrevocably bad they cannot be redeemed, see "dark phoenix" (Jean is in Jamaica Bay/didn't kill a galaxy) onslaught (not really Dark Phoenix Xavier, it was...Magneto's dark desires penetrating charles without consent) and Xorn (no that isn't Magneto literally turning New York into Auschwitz..its Xorn!) they acknowledge their characters need to be milked for decades, they can't sacrifice it for narrative, so they back off at crucial moments of villainy.
2)Good hearted people can't stand bigotry, so when Magneto says "I'm going to avenge the minorities" people cheer. How is this so hard to understand? The alt right stood at full attention the second the drumpf sought to avenge their racial bigotry, why wouldn't the oppressed feel vindicated that the minority of Magneto usurps them with a massive "frick you"? It doens't matter that hes a "mutant superior" hypocrite at heart, its raw vindication. Every time a white supremacist gets a 3" rock hard erection over a LGBTQ/person of color getting fricked over, somebody who is a minority sees Magneto get a W cheers...What is difficult to comprehend? You don't care if Drumpf goes scorched earth, neither do the oppressed care when Magneto does the same.
3) Its fiction and if you read to hard into this you're moronic, it really doesn't fricking matter and context is everything, stop using 40 years of xmen history to judge trending social media reaction to a 1 minute clip of Xmen97, you stupid frick.
Cool Magneto image though.
>stop using 40 years of xmen history
the fact there's '40 years of X-Men history' is why these stories never finish and marvel comics are in a hole.
OP is correct and it extends to rightclops bullshit leading straight to krakoa bullshit
>they don't want their main characters to do things that are so irrevocably bad they cannot be redeemed
pic related. you aren't understanding that magneto gets a redemption arc and apocalypse gets a hero arc and sinister gets a "lovable goof" arc while trying to murder the council but a scapegoat that never should have been written to badly has to be cloned in the most hamfisted way imaginable
Deranged.
shut up moron
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Frick you
why? what part of said post offends you?
He's the most realistic take
Stick to your kind and protect them
and Sometimes we have to make that choice of genociding those who wants to genocide us and are intolerant of us
That's not true at all. You can easily have Magneto being wrong, but actively destabilizing human/mutant relations to cause and exacerbate tensions in order to remain relevant through radicalization. You see this in real life conflicts all the time where groups with inflexible and maximalist positions derail attempts to avoid or end violence because otherwise their support will erode.
Canonically he's right because the X-men human population has been brainwashed on the genetic level due to Sublime and they'll completely neglect that lore so a story can happen.
Its not that Magneto is right, its more like Xavier's plan doesn't work. It will never work. Otherwise places like China Town or Little Italy wouldn't exist. Ever been to Chicago? This neighborhood, everyone's white. Then when you get to a certain part, that neighborhood is where all the black folks live.
If Magneto's plan was to simply make a place for mutants to live as peaceful isolationists, like on an asteriod, then that's fine. It goes a little over board when his solution to protect mutants involves killing all humans or turning all humans into mutants. At least with Magneto, you kind of see that he does have a plan. Dunno if it'll work but at least he has a plan. Xavier's a liberal hippie. His plan is to make love, not war and eventually everyone lives in groovy harmony. That's not a plan. That's wishful thinking at best.
Both separation and supremacy don't work, because any human can give birth to a mutant and a human can give birth to a mutant indiscriminately What are you going to do, start abducting and throwing out babies and their mothers?
Xavier's plan of mutant/human integration and harmony makes sense in real world logic, it just doesn't really work in narrative logic because the x-men have been written with a singular problem.
This could be resolved if they were treated like superheroes instead of just a minority (similar to DC), but the writers will never go for that.
>human can give birth to a mutant and a human can give birth to a mutant
Redundancy is redundant.
>Both separation and supremacy don't work, because any human can give birth to a mutant
No they can't, X-Gene is inherited from the mother's X Chromosome and it's both somewhat recessive and not always passed on, as well as originating from homosexual Neanderthalensis. It's part of why the "homosexual Superior" homosexualry is bullshit, aside from not being a valid species to begin with, they had a however many years head start before homosexual Sapiens existed and they *still* fricking lost the evolutionary arms race.
So basically barring freak accidents and random chance, Native American, East/SE Asian, and African mutants without an immediate european ancestor should be borderline nonexistent...and they *are* in canon.
Similarly the Celestials have run this experiment before. We've seen multiple Eternal -strain dominated planets and multiple Deviant-strain dominated planets, we've never once seen a single fricking planet where the equivalent of the Mutants' ancestors were the winners of the whole race war experiment. Not a single fricking one.
They're a dead end, literally a genetic war trophy in the human genome from homosexual Sapiens blowing their ancestors the frick out and then taking their women to breed, an irrelevant fluke that just crops up from time to time.
I didn't say it would work. I said at Xavier's vision was shit. It doesn't work in real life. Let's see how harmonious the US is with all those illegal aliens integrating into society a few years down the line.
Besides, even if Magneto destroys all humans and only mutants are left, those mutants will not be harmonious either. Watch as the teleporters start discriminating the flyers. Or the super strengths start discriminating the telekinetics and so on. It never works.
>magneto was right
About fricking what? If anything, it's the anti-mutant characters who are always right.
>the second charles xavier is right is the second x-men books have to stop being published.
you sound upset
>you sound upset
you're bad at inferring tone
ok dude I hope you feel better soon
Such is the nature of comics. If the conflict stops, the story ends. It's why in DC'sBatman, Bruce is always going to be miserable, Gotham will always be a hell hole, and Joker will get away with everything.
"People don't like mutants" is part of the setting. It's not a narrative where you're building towards an ending where prejudice and fear are solved and everything is OK. The narrative is about the lives of the characters, their battles with villains and the soap opera of their lives. Somewhere along the way both the writers and the fandom forgot X-Men is a superhero comic, and tried to turn it into "the saga of the struggle of the mutant race", and pretend like they were back in the civil rights movement or something, but the X-Men being part of the larger Marvel Universe means they can't change the wider universe too much without treading on the toes of the other writers and editors for other books, and cape comics run on constant events and constant threat escalation, which slides in the direction of everything keeps getting worse and everything is an existential threat all the time.
It's years too late to say it by now, the fandom is what it is, but it's basically "THIS IS AWFUL. STOP WANTING THIS." but they actually think this literal garbage makes what they're reading more intelligent and meaningful than reading Batman or Hulk or Dog Man.
With Magneto in particular Marvel keep it hard canon that UXM #1 is where the world learns mutants exist when Magneto attacks for the first time, but they go out of their way to ignore how he's 100% of the reason mutants are hated and feared in the first place, and how he wasn't fighting to protect his people, he just wanted to rule the world. Portraying this guy of all people as a hero is insane, but nobody wants to look past "he was in the Holocaust, and the people he fights now are NAZIS and BIGOTS so he's the good guy" and people who think they're oppressed cheer him on even though he's probably killed more people than the Nazis did.
The other major thing is that a lot of readers have a fundamental misunderstanding about Magneto's position in regards to his fight to protect mutants from humans. They mistake it for something akin to what the X-men want, modern society where mutants are recognized as their own minority, albeit without getting their shit kicked in by giant robots, but otherwise left to their own devices. When truth of the matter is, dude's end goal was always to put mutants in charge, and then put HIMSELF in charge of those mutants, and all the rest can get fricked. And it's incredible that people forget this because it's not some kind of secret retcon. Dude fricking said it in as bold letters as possible in his first appearance.
>"The human race no longer deserves dominion over the Earth! The day of the Mutants is upon us!"
Like, hell, even if Magneto were on the level in that he just wanted everyone to leave the mutants alone, he still would never be happy and still be a controlling monster. There was an entire What IF? on if the X-men had taken up Magneto's offer in Fatal Attractions and joined him and Acolytes in fricking off to space in their own utopia. What happened? Entire place descended into a bad enough civil war that Magneto plotted to have a baby (a normal kid he claimed was actually the natural-borne successor and killer to mutants, aka homosexual Ultima) killed to get them to unite under the fear of producing the next generation that would naturally dominate and kill them all.
That's the kind of shit that happens if you believe "Magneto Was Right". The sheer number of banana republics and dictatorships he creates right after he "protects mutants from the evil mankind" should have pinged people to the fact the dude's never been solely about being a guardian, dude always fancied himself a king for decades, and even in the modern day the butthole gets himself appointed to the Krakoan oligarchy. But somehow, it goes right over people's heads every single time.
The civil war in that What If? story was literally over whether they should remain in isolation in space, or go back to Earth, kill the humans and take the world for themselves.
House of M may be a terrible story, terribly written, but one thing it gets right is that the fulfillment of Magneto's dream isn't just mutants living free from hate and persecution, it's mutants ruling the world, with humans as an oppressed minority, and himself as king of the world and larping as royalty.
Exactly. The fricker has always fancied himself a king of mutantkind, even subconciously, and the fact people mistake him for a freedom fighter just shocks me to no end for the fact it's a character trait you can see even in the present in that he's ALWAYS in some kind of self-appointed or elected leader position despite his humble-brags about being just a guardian-shepherd of mutants. Even besides him trying to lead the X-men and the mansion as penance for killing Xavier, he was always whispering in Cyclops's ear like Wormtongue advising him on the "right" and wrong of being a leader. Dude self-appointed himself as part of the Quiet Council Oligarchy on Krakoa. Hell, his goddamn retirement to Arakko lead him to not only forming another Brotherhood but to take over one of the ruling council's seats.
Magneto's always been a power-hungry dick who thinks he should be ruler of the most powerful species the mutants, and even in a total paradise without the strife or war he claims to fear the geriatric fricker can't help but meddle and connive his way into power instead of just letting well enough alone. And the fact there are still readers that somehow don't realize that or are willing to completely ignore it is just...beyond confusing to me.
This. Magneto oozes arrogance and is proof that surviving tragedy does not mean you will be a good person
The sad thing about all this is Magneto is a great villain, whether it's 1960s to 1970s Magneto who just wants to be king of the world, or 1990s Magneto who's fighting for Muh People but is a turbo terrorist worse than the humans he opposes, but we're stuck with antihero Magneto, the X-Men's edgy friend who did nothing wrong, and that character is boring, awful and sanctimonious.
Red Skull called Magneto out so hard that all he could do in response was to imprison him in a bunker without food for a month.