The original Dune is a flawed but majestic work of art. The new Dune films are boring as piss. Absolutely sterile.

The original Dune is a flawed but majestic work of art.
The new Dune films are boring as piss. Absolutely sterile. Mind-numbing in their mediocre conformity.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like to watch this scene on repeat because of the great Queen guitar riffs and the cool sandworm.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >queen
      It's toto and Brian eno.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Brian Eno's "Prophecy" theme is transcendent and shits all over Han Zimmer's nu-Dune slop/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Indeed. It pops into my head randomly to this day. The sound design in the movie is impeccable, the way Kyle enunciates is just so distinct.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Absolutely sterile.
          couldn't have put it better.
          Vastly empty, may be.

          very nice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >queen
        >It's toto and Brian eno.
        Now that you say it, I remember this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >queen
      >It's toto and Brian eno.
      Now that you say it, I remember this.

      Queen was Highlander and Flash Gordon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick me princes of the universe from that movie is such a good fricking song

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    shut the frick up homosexual

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >old good
    >new bad
    >let's all go back to living in cave
    >and watch fire

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What a moronic way to view things. The obverse must be true too then right? New good, old bad. You are parasite with no original thought in you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you don’t think all old things are good and all new things are bad!?
        >then you can only think all old things are bad and all new things are good!
        complete monkey brain moron, can literally only conceive diametric opposition

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >obverse
        Shut the frick up, barbarian

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes there are remakes that are better on paper, and an easier, breezier watch, but they have less personality.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's funny when people say that Arnold is a bad actor. He was a far better Conan than Jason Momoa, he was a better Douglas Quaid than Colin Farrell and he was a way more terrifying terminator than John Doggett.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The director of the Total Recall remake was caught up in muh source material thinking where he thought Arnold was s bad Quaid because he's too buff.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cause people make it binary, either you're good or bad. Arnold got successful enough to try to take roles suited to him. He is great in Total Recall. Would Arnold be any good in say, There Will be Blood or No Country For Old Men? Probably not, but he didn't go for those kinds of movies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the remake was far worse for deciding to remove Mars and have the idiotic idea of going through the center of the Earth instead

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This entire plot point existed so that they could have a weightless action setpiece.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >new good
      >old bad
      >we are better than he who dwelt in cave simply by measure of time
      >because we watch screen

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >zesty black boi posts a video of himself
        SO BRAVE

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>let's all go back to living in cave
      >>and watch fire
      a man can only dream

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sitting around the camp fire after a successful hunt listening to your tribe's elders tell stories would actually be cosy as frick

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        im saying this sincerely, but you dont or have never had any friends huh?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Engaging beautiful old fire
      >Literal shit raining down outside
      Thanks, I'll stick to looking at the fire

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've never been bored watching fire.
      Blockbuster slop wished it had that track record.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in biden's brown america, everything works backwards

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We are working on it...perhaps after Monday, perhaps in 2 weeks.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah okay boomer

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Flaws = soul.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >You are transparent. I see many things. I see plans within plans. I see two great houses, House Atreides, House Harkonnen feuding. I see you behind it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was shocked this scene wasn't even in the book. It's so good.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        visually it's cool but it does nothing but exposition dump which is completely lazy/shitty writing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fair, but the book is full of exposition dumps which aren't even cool or visually interesting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kino

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s memorable. It’s not woke shit. Take the Barren in the book and Lynch’s version he’s a degenerate, psycho, homosexual. New movie, fat guy in a oil bath

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One of the first "flawed masterpieces" to get sensitive fanbase AI-fixing treatment I think.
    Good proving ground to see if it can juggle such an unusual set of sensibilities without violating any of them.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The original Dune is a flawed
    This, didn't read the rest.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The book itself is very flawed, so I don't see the flaws in Lynch's version to be that big of a deal.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fine speech

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't this gimp see Night Country? AI writing is very obvious from how moronic it is when it comes to realism.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He (famed writer/director Paul Schrader) is not talking about writing per se. He's talking about the way Dune 2 is like a series of vapid AI-generated video clips.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe Dunc 2021 won the SFX oscar. Attack of the fricking clones mogs it in the cgi department.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That vision was the only half-assed cgi section in the film and it really stood out. The attack on Arrakis, sandcrawler, ornithopter shit however, all great

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >3 years after the DUNC premiere, and the only critique tha "contrarian as a personality" teenage c**ts on Cinemaphile can muster is dodgy CGI in one 30 seconds long fight sequence inde a characters vision, and in one shot of spice containers that appears on the screen for a total of 1 second
      Villeneuve is truly a master

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you. The cinematography is bland, the fricking cgi is atrocious, and its completely butchers the meaning of the book. It's the blandest most uninspired fricking shit ever made. Denis fricking Villeneuves obsession with empty modernist architecture ruins every one of his fricking films, they're so devoid of character and nature it's not even funny. That's without getting into the colour scheme which for Dunc is endless shades of BROWN. The desert is brown, the sky is light brown, the clothes are dark brown, the buildings are brown, the vehicles are covered in brown desert dust, and the fricking Fremen are BLACK. Arrakis is a brown wasteland and it's a fricking eyesore. Then we get to the cinematography which is the most uninspired shit since the local student film club made their pretentious tryhard nolan ripoff. Dune is fricking lawrence of arabia in space at least try to make it look the part. Fricking Star Wars does better desert scenes than Dunc. Then there's the music which is the typical zimmer VOOOOOOOOOOM droning he's been doing for the last fricking decade. Dune 1984 was flawed but at least it had Toto doing the score instead of the inceptions horns and some chorus screaming. And I haven't even gotten to how they've completely butchered the themes of the book in favour of some vague muh colonialism message instead of the extremely topical themes of ecology and commentary on the functioning of politics. Also Denis signature lack of subtlety when it comes to badguys who look EVIL and monologue EVILLY and are EVIL. MWAHAHA I'M PALE BALD EVIL MAN WHO DELIGHTS IN EVIL THINGS AREN'T I SO EVIL? Anyone who likes Dunc is a fricking moron and I want them to go sniff petrol so I don't have to hear their moronation anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >and its completely butchers the meaning of the book
          It's a whole Hell of a lot closer to the meaning of the book than any previous adaptation has been. The meaning of the book is the danger of heroes and religious leaders, but the Lynch film and the Sci-Fi miniseries play up Paul as more or less a typical action hero, if a somewhat more introspective one than most. He's still portrayed as the Good Guy Protagonist we should be rooting for, whereas in the book Paul is a very flawed person who absolutely should not be given the power that people willingly hand over to him, because no matter his intentions, the myth he has created around himself has grown beyond his control.

          DUNC gets that. Part Two's ending, the start of the Jihad, is portrayed as the Bad Thing that it's supposed to be.

          >Also Denis signature lack of subtlety when it comes to badguys
          ...as opposed to Baron Jabba Harkonnen, you mean?

          Though I will grant you that Ian McNeice remains my favorite portrayal of the Baron, even if it's arguably the least book-accurate since the Baron in the book is nowhere near the brilliant schemer that McNeice portrayed him as, instead relying heavily on first Pieter and later Hawat to actually accomplish anything. There's a scene in the book where Rabban and the Baron are having a conversation, and RABBAN comes acrossas the most intelligent, or at least more insightful, of the two.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The meaning of the book is the danger of heroes and religious leaders
            No it isn't. The meaning of the book is that humans need to be allowed to organically progress and evolve through trial and error or they will go extinct through dependency on external, transient conveniences.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              A book with more than one theme? No fricking way.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I’d say that’s later books. I’m talking purely about Dune. No colons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re listening to what the author said about the book instead of actually reading the book. He unironically went crazy after the first Dune book and didn’t know wtf he was talking about

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why did you take his bait

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >why would you talk about tv of a tv board

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Dune is fricking lawrence of arabia in space at least try to make it look the part. Fricking Star Wars does better desert scenes than Dunc.
          The bar is so low that the Dune-inspired Monster Hunter film that is either the worst or second worst movie of Paul W.S. Anderson's career does deserts better.

          Soldier is a better, more interesting Blade Runner sequel than Blade Runner 2049.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Soul vs generic brutalist slop.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't see the problem

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The worst part is it's all monochrome. Denis cannot into different colours in the same scene, only shades of one.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              2049 is so sovl.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your mother should have swallowed you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >3 years after the DUNC premiere, and the only critique tha "contrarian as a personality" teenage c**ts on Cinemaphile can muster is dodgy CGI in one 30 seconds long fight sequence inde a characters vision, and in one shot of spice containers that appears on the screen for a total of 1 second

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb shit aside, Chani in nu-Dune is such a weird character compared to the book version and the multiple film versions before her.

          She basically exists to beat the audience over the head with Paul bad because Denis can't into subtlety.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >She basically exists to beat the audience over the head with Paul bad because Denis can't into subtlety.
            Still misses the mark and everyone loves the jihad. Libtards are truly doomed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Movie's as desiccated as Ben Shapiro's wife.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the issue with this scene is less cgi and more the fact that a crowd of people charging each other to have a knife fight in a featureless desert is a very dumb looking image

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Now that's a gem.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >don't bathe
          >...ever
          Truly, imagine the smell.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you open the helmet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it's AKTIN TIME!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >opens helmet
        >i am LE SAD

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This scene baffles me, it's the only bad looking scene in both movies and I don't know how Denis was okay with it. It's not very noticeable when watching because it's 10 seconds long during one of Paul's spice visions but still

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They should have had his helmet broken open and then as he turns his head to shield his face we see the reveal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        old: real sand, real people real desert
        new:

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They shot DUNC with real sand with real people in a real desert also, you know that right?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Old Dune condenses Dune into a two-hour movie. it's Charm and kyle McLachlan doesn't change it's terrible pacing. it is painful to watch at points

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They should have done that NeverEnding Story did and just thrown out the entire second half of the book.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that's the point if lynch had even 3 hours not to mention 6, denis would kill himself in shame

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The TV cut is about 3 hours and clarifies a lot of stuff.

        I think the Space Diver edit is decent, but I disagree completely with him removing a substantial amount of the internal monologues. I think the modern aversion to narration in films is moronic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed, especially since half the book is inner monologues.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The TV cut is about 3 hours and clarifies a lot of stuff.

        I think the Space Diver edit is decent, but I disagree completely with him removing a substantial amount of the internal monologues. I think the modern aversion to narration in films is moronic.

        As an example, the Water of Life scene in the Spice Diver cut seems to be missing a few lines that really sold the mystical power of the sequence.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its unfortunate this film got shit on because it really is better in some ways than nu-Dunc. It deserves to be a cult film at least.
    However I think it was a better idea to split the first book into two parts on Danny Villanova's part. It lets the narrative breathe.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      New Dune is a better film overall, but it just... loses so much of the power and grace and emotional reaonance of the old one.

      In terms of overall storytelling, the 2000 TV version is probably best.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    New Dunc is like space cucks the movie

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >original

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    accurate

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mediocre conformity
    What did OP mean by this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To use an example, the new Planet of the Apes films take everything special about the original 5 films from their Black Power imagery to their psychic mutant cults and discard it conform to conventional notions of grounded and realistic storytelling. A lot of modern reboots are competent but mediocre, assuming the shape the audience expects instead of challenging their horizons.

      One of the manifestations of this is the fixation on wanting adaptations to be faithful to source material instead of dreaming outside its boundaries.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >conventional notions of grounded and realistic storytelling
        So this is about storytelling? Not directing or cinematography or aesthetics?
        People hated The Last Jedi for "subverting expectations", where did it go wrong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It also includes omitting visually creative designs, creative music choices, etc. In favor of something very bland and cookie cutter.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >People hated The Last Jedi for "subverting expectations"
          yeah, expecting a competent film was too much

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'd like to see your opinion on the remake of Dawn of the Dead.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The old one is too campy for my liking also the Hans Zimmer soundtrack is 10x better than whatever boomer band shit was in 1984

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like someone farting in a tuba, sorry zoomer

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just rewatched it. It has its moments, but its goofy as frick and fremen arc is ungodly rushed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It has its issues but the Spice Diver Cut is well worth watching if you wanted a more fleshed out film. If you watched the theatrical cut, you watched a truncated film.

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  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its the 7th time to day you posted the contrarian thread, give it a rest

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For all the flaws in the film in relate to the book, lych made the film world as his own with the visual and atmosphere

    Where as the Dunc felt like a adoption for the sake of adaptation.

    Lych's is so imaginative that people able to keep inline with his style and made 3 successful games to it and literally creating new lore- non cannon as they might be

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wow very bold take
    really separated yourself form the normies there

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like both new and old Dune because I'm not a moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like both versions, but you can't deny Denis's movies have no soul. Even the guy who played Roy Batty in Blade Runner commented on how soulless his work is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but you can't deny Denis's movies have no soul
        sorry, didn't get that when I watched them

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You will grow out of being contrarian one day

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, saying that remake are better made but soulless will never get old. We're gonna go through this song and dance with the upcoming Night of the Hunter remake.

      Amusingly, Dune 1984 is inspired by Nighr of the Hunter. That's where the opening monologue style comes from. More things change, the more they stay the same.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lynch Dune good
    dunc bad
    simple as

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    DUDE LE SOVL xDDD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > ornithopter
      > flies like a bug instead of a bird
      neither film gets it right but 84 has the sfx limitations of the time in its defense

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >84 has the sfx limitations of the time in its defense
        there's no defense for this garbage low effort tin can non design. it's absolute dogshit no matter how you look at it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Flappy ass thopters make no sense in a universe where even fricking lightbulbs float around with antigravity, Lynch was correcting Herbert's oversight

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you're so deep in moronic mental gymnastics that even if Lynch portrayed ornithopters as a literal flying tin cans you'd still defend it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1984 is kino and drives through the magical aspect of high tech
      le big dragonfly is just gay shit and extra moronic since they have levitation tech both personal and for giant fricking spaceships

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Let's be honest here, if DUNC had this

        >84 has the sfx limitations of the time in its defense
        there's no defense for this garbage low effort tin can non design. it's absolute dogshit no matter how you look at it

        laughable tin can design you'd make fun of it 24/7 and if 1984 version had pic related as its thopter design you'd be creaming how le kino sovl it is non stop

        Extreme mental gymnastics at display ITT

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it would be a decent design in a good movie
          I also think the 1984 shields look awesome and the villashit are trash

          old: real sand, real people real desert
          new:

          real human bean director vs a homunculus

          what's up with this homies eyes? seriously

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shut your gay ass up Dune 2 is good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A film can be good, but utterly lacking a soul. Case in point, Ender's Game. It looks good, it sounds good, but it has absolutely no emotional core. It's dead inside.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >*WAAAAA WAA WAA WAAAAA*
        Giant fricking baby

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "VVGGGHHHH IT LACKS SOOOVVVVLLLLLL"
          This is just "Its bad because I said so okay?!?!?!"

          >"There's no humour, there's no love, there's no soul."
          >Rutger Hauer, describing Blade Runner 2049.
          The same criticism can be applied verbatim to Dune 1/2 because Denis Villeneuve is a one trick brutalist pony.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "VVGGGHHHH IT LACKS SOOOVVVVLLLLLL"
          This is just "Its bad because I said so okay?!?!?!"

          Anon, when people talk about soul, they're really talking about emotional engagement. Did the film make you cry? Did it make you laugh? Did it make you dream? Did it make you feel SOMETHING? That's why people love a film like Braveheart. They feel something. Their spirit is stirred. They can believe again.

          A film that has no soul doesn't provoke any kind of emotional reaction in the audience. A film can be super well made in most regards, but emotionally flat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Did it make you feel SOMETHING?
            Sure.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What did it make you feel?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wonder imagination Goosebumps whatever you want to call it. I was 100% engaged with everything I saw and heard in that entire sequence. It made me feel that a Warhammer 40K film is actually possible.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                BEEE BEEE BOOOP BEEEEEEEEEE HMMMMMMMM

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                With all due respect anon, it kinda sounds like you loved the scene because of factors outside the scene.

                Like how people lost their minds over Spider-Man No Way Home which is a dogshit movie because the nostalgia driven action figures stood in a line, and the movie literally has pauses when characters walk onscreen so the audience can stop clapping.

                I must reiterate. I don't think Dune 2021/Dune 2024 is bad on a technical level. But I think it lacks humanity, imagination, vibrancy, soul, life, whatever you wanna call it. It feels AI generated. It is a cold, lifeless thing. Paul Schrader knows a thing or two about filmmakign and he mocked Dune Part 2 saying that would we even know if Dune Part 3 was made by an AI? Because Part 2 is so devoid of human intellect and emotion. It's just a collection of scenes. An empty recital of the book stripped down so it can do its "visual storytelling".

                Do I like the movie? Sure. But it doesn't have any soul inside it. This isn't a new observation. People have pointed out that Denis's movies don't have a soul since Blade Runner 2049. I don't think he'll ever shake that criticism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you loved the scene because of factors outside the scene.
                What? I loved the scene exactly of what's portrayed in the very scene. The sounds and visuals and the narrative. Sold me the entire idea of Sardaukars in less than a minute, very effective storytelling. In fact it was so engaging that scene alone developed an entire fanbase, you have dozens of people on youtube learning how to throat sing just to be able to replicate what they heard/felt in that scene.
                Can't think of a more clear example of people being extremely engaged with a scene in any other recent film.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think we're talking about slightly different things. For example, Blade Runner 2049 has absolutely no soul. Nothing. As a movie it is completely devoid of human spirit. It is a perverse, inhuman imitation of the original Blade Runner. That doesn't stop people being obsessed with K or Joi or whatever.

                There is a lot of completely soulless art that has fanboys that imitate aspects of it. But it isn't the same thing as being genuinely moved by it. A truly moving scene can be shown to a random person out of context, and they'll feel something. But that said, who am I to tell you what you feel or don't feel? It is important to not be automatically dismissive of lived experience and all that.

                I'll also point out that a movie can be a bad movie, but it can have genuine soul. For example, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is terrible. But the clock tower scene is a genuinely moving piece of cinema.

                Pompeii is dogshit. But the ending is one of the greatest film endings ever shot. A truly moving tribute to the victims of the Pompeii disaster. A monument to the human spirit in the face of annihilation.

                Speaking from personal experience and from many people I've discussed this with, Dune and Blade Runner 2049 have a profound emptiness to them. They are intellectual but not human. They are pretty but not alive. The characters speak, but their dialogue has no power. It's just words.

                Like I say, some people might perceive this differently. And that's fair enough. But when people accuse these films of not having a soul, that's what they're talking about. This sense of nothingness. Of sterile emptiness.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Blade Runner 2049 has absolutely no soul. Nothing. As a movie it is completely devoid of human spirit
                I completely disagree. Literally the exact opposite, in fact the entire movie is about what it means to have a soul or not/what it means to be human or not.
                I will agree though that DUNC definitely is too "sterile" especially the first one, while in BR2049 it goes completely in-line with the narrative.

                Also that Pompeii scene is extremely laughable, I don't think even you believe it's "one of the greatest film endings ever shot." You talk about how "A truly moving scene can be shown to a random person out of context,", go show that Pompeii scene to 10 random people and you'll get at least 8 mocking reactions.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I completely disagree.
                You can disagree, but Rutger Hauer says that the film isn't character driven, has no humour, and has no soul. He would know. His performance lies at the heart and soul of the original Blade Runner.
                >in fact the entire movie is about what it means to have a soul or not/what it means to be human or not.
                That has absolutely nothing to do with whether a film has a soul or not. It's like thinking that Ender's Game has a soul because it's a film about the emotional devastation of having your intellect used against you. Ender's Game is lifeless. It has no emotional/spiritual core. It is just empty imagery, empty dialogue, an empty film that goes through the motions but has no power.
                >go show that Pompeii scene to 10 random people and you'll get at least 8 mocking reactions.
                Explain the universally positive comments, then. Why do you think Star Wars Rogue One copied that ending? Why do you think "I won't leave you" gets used as temp music on films made after 2014? Because it's a magnificent piece of music, and a genuinely powerful ending that rips off Deep Impact, but does it in a really effective way.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Rutger Hauer says that the film isn't character driven
                This is just straight up moronic, even if you think BR2049 is the worst film ever made you have to agree that it's by definition a character driven movie. The entire damn movie is about K, from the first frame till the very last one. By very definition a character driven movie, even more so than the original Blade Runner.
                And also why should the opinion of an actor be some kind of objective Bible? Roy Batty is the "heart and soul" of the first BR, not Rutger Hauer. Franz Kafka hated his work and wanted it all to burn to be forgotten forever, that doesn't mean his work is actually bad.
                >Explain the universally positive comments, then
                Explain the universally positive comments on BR2049 scenes then? Hell even you admit that you can't take fans as arguments of anything.
                >Why do you think "I won't leave you" gets used as temp music on films made after 2014? Because it's a magnificent piece of music
                You can have great music pieces in "soulless" movies and scenes. Great example is 1917, Newman's score is absolutely phenomenal and extremely "human", that doesn't make the movie or the scene where it's used the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqo46lt-8Q4

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I completely disagree.
                You can disagree, but Rutger Hauer says that the film isn't character driven, has no humour, and has no soul. He would know. His performance lies at the heart and soul of the original Blade Runner.
                >in fact the entire movie is about what it means to have a soul or not/what it means to be human or not.
                That has absolutely nothing to do with whether a film has a soul or not. It's like thinking that Ender's Game has a soul because it's a film about the emotional devastation of having your intellect used against you. Ender's Game is lifeless. It has no emotional/spiritual core. It is just empty imagery, empty dialogue, an empty film that goes through the motions but has no power.
                >go show that Pompeii scene to 10 random people and you'll get at least 8 mocking reactions.
                Explain the universally positive comments, then. Why do you think Star Wars Rogue One copied that ending? Why do you think "I won't leave you" gets used as temp music on films made after 2014? Because it's a magnificent piece of music, and a genuinely powerful ending that rips off Deep Impact, but does it in a really effective way.

                This movie had the same director as Pompeii, although this didn't go completely off the rails like Pompeii, and this one scene has more soul than every scene in BR2049, Dune Part 1, and Dune Part 2 put together. (Also, it's an unlicensed Blade Runner sequel written by the same writer as Blade Runner.)

                >What's it like... being a soldier? You must feel something.
                >Fear.
                >Fear?
                >Fear and... discipline.
                >Right now?
                >...Always.
                That is soul. It's the combination of the way the scene is framed, the music, the clever editing choices to cut the overly verbose script down. But it's the understanding of the human spirit. The thing about Blade Runner 2049 is that it can't effectively explore these themes because it doesn't actually understand human emotions. The fact Dune Part 2 is so devoid of the spark of human spirit is because Denis Villeneuve as a filmmaker lacks that spark. He creates technically proficient, emotionally and spiritually empty films.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the entire movie is about what it means to have a soul or not/what it means to be human or not.
                Way to miss the point of the first movie.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What did it make you feel?

              Wonder imagination goosebumps whatever you want to call it. I was 100% engaged with everything I saw and heard in that entire sequence. It made me feel that a Warhammer 40K film is actually possible.

              I'm rewatching the scene right now, and it is the blandest, most lifeless shit ever.

              The scene has no life to it. It's the exact same emotionally dead brutalist nonsense that Denis dished up in Blade Runner 2049.

              For all its many problems, the 1984 film has emotional resonance. It has passion. It has life. It isn't dull grey brutalist bullshit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lynch has a mystical mindset so he resonates with those themes in Dune. Villenullo is an npc and it shows in his work.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's absolutely part of it. Tapping into human spirituality is part of what people perceive as soul in films. This is actually the ace in Avatar's hole. All other things aside, the Avatar films speak to their audience on a spiritual level about themes of life and death, loss and sacrifice. I've noticed a strong correlation between people who hate Avatar 2 and people who are megafans of Dune 2.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I love both Avatar and DUNC, what now?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wtf is that true I loved a2 and felt cheated out of my money by dunc2

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                preach. dunc is all style absolutely no essence. and even in the style department it is beaten to a pulp by efforts 40 years old.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And lest we forget that Lynch with Brian Eno are the two major forces through which transcedental meditation broke to the masses and pop culture.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nah this is the only kino scene in either movie, also the seen with the harkonnen and their fricked up pet, all that shit was good, everything else was bad, youre the type of homosexual that thinks maori war dances are "based"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              oh yea the dumpster guy asking for some spare change that was a fantastic scene

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >HAMBURGER CHEESEBURGER BIG MAC WHOPPER

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "VVGGGHHHH IT LACKS SOOOVVVVLLLLLL"
        This is just "Its bad because I said so okay?!?!?!"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >cannot tell at a glance when something has soul and mistakes it for just some vague personal preference
          ngmi

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ender's game was pretty good all things considered
        dunc2 isn't
        granted it's not outright terrible but it has absolutely nothing going for it

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The new Dune movies are the very definition of dishonest filmmaking. In fact, I didn't understand it until I watched the movies

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I saw part 2 in the kino last night. There were a lot of things I thought were superb. My main gripe was casting, just like part 1. Zendaya was so fricking annoying as well. Brought the film down a notch just for her tantrums alone.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dunc 2 was KINO, back to your discord, troony.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder to all Lynch Dune lovers that A Masterpiece in Disarray by Max Evry is available for purchase or theft. Its very nifty.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what's up with this homies eyes? seriously

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1984 Stilgar was iconic

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I liked both both versions, both have strong and weak sides and I consider them as different takes on same story.
    btw zendaya is ugly

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    old and new are shit
    mini series are kino

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The original dune works better than melatonin

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    la cinématographie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      deserts are all dull brown chuddie!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm White, you mediocre midwit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's somewhere that is now a desert but has previously been ocean, plains etc.
        Arrakis has only been desert.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong, the sandworms and sandtrout are not native to the planet; it used to be a wet world. Read the books.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They are the only thing that IS native to Arrakis. Read the book!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >"The sandtrout ... was introduced here from some other place. This was a wet planet then. They proliferated beyond the capability of existing ecosystems to deal with them. Sandtrout encysted the available free water, made this a desert planet ... and they did it to survive. In a planet sufficiently dry, they could move to their sandworm phase"
              - Children of Dune

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wonder who moved them there and why? And where is that other planet since that could be another source of spice

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We never find out. Perhaps there was all kinds of AI guided genetic engineering before the Butlerian Jihad and these creatures came out of that

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >CRAIG CAMPOBASSO: David loved Bob’s Big Boy. He and Raffaella and I and some other girls from the office would go to Bob’s Big Boy every day, right? Almost every day. The guys in the art department made him a Bob’s Big Boy with a Dune suit on it. They made it out of plaster, and it had blue-within-blue eyes and the little nose thing. They signed it on the bottom.

    SOVL

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Filtered

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Including snippets of whispered internal monologue for each character is inexcusably bad filmmaking.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dunc color grading is as bad as Quantum of Solace cutting. homie.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    Lynch’s Dune has more interesting scenes like picrel, even if it’s a hot mess there’s more imagination in it.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Villememe is low-T Nolan.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IT FRICKING FLOPPED OKAY IT FRICKING FLOPPED STOP POSTING THAT FAKE NEWS THEY ARE NOT MAKING MORE CUZ IT FRICKING FLOPPED CUZ IT DA WOKE GOYSLOP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP MODS BAN THESE LIARS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sneed.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cast Kyle in DUNC

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Emperor ofc, in Mr C. mode

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It really should have been him.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    jokes on you if you think that piss is boring.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > zoomies still seething that Cinemaphile likes Dune84 and the miniseries better than soulless Villeslop

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And the reason is that the masses will not be allowed in any way, shape or form to approach the dream of the prophecy.
    Make the dream dense, or dunc, and everybody will go home satisfied for consuming yet a new product that will keep them occupied for 2-3 more months, but also numb and dumb and as far away from the prophecy as possible with all tired DEI tropes and marxist wokism.
    The same principle has been followed with every product the current establishment has been churning out for the past 60 years, pretend the ingredients are wholesome and healthy and promising (a better tomorrow, tomorrow) but slyly infest them with all sorts of slow acting poisons that will rip any joy from partaking in them and render the receivers even more hollow than before.
    In 20 years from now dunc will be remembered for exactly what it is: the regime's last ditch effort to pollute the ocean of the collective psyche with their own propaganda, only to be disregarded and discarded as a very unfortunate period in history.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    84 didn't have bagpipes though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Image composition and costumes are sloppy.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hey if he can get to Emperor of Dune I'll be happy.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sci-Fi Channel's Frank Herbert's Dune miniseries >

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    DUNC is garbage CGI mess

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's a fricked up looking dick. It doesn't even have a head.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw I see a Vilenullo drone whine about le contrarianism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mfw you weigh 400lbs and last bathed in 2016

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it has some goofy elements, but I choose Dune 84 with all its flaws over DUNC. Not saying DUNC is bad made, but I don't feel the same depth.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Give it 20 years and you'll be praising Villanueve's Dune.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In 20 years we'll have AI kino Dune with all the gnarly weirdness fully present and Villanoob won't even be a footnote

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you homosexuals memed me into watching this and it was way worse than nu Dune. Some cool visuals and soundtracks but everything else was shit

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think you got filtered bro

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That is a soulless studio ripoff
    Jodorowsky's is original Dune

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      poop and rape bro

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Jodorowsky's would have been pretentious garbage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh troonyrowski
      Shut the frick up.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The original Dune is a flawed but majestic work of art.
    >The new Dune films are boring as piss. Absolutely sterile. Mind-numbing in their mediocre conformity.
    This guy gets it.
    Give me an abandoned brave mistake any day of the week.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ted was right, Butlerian Jihad now.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lynch's Dune is a goofy, shitty looking snoozefest with a great villain and a great score.
    Villenuggers is much better, but it isn't the greatest sci-fi movie ever made or a masterpiece. It's just a better adaptation.
    Bookgays go suck a dick, I'm sorry your Jihad spice Black person made funny jokes or some shit.
    TLDR: Lynchgays are coping about the new generation and Villenuggergays are refusing to admit anything old is good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Watch the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries from 2000.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The spice diver fan edit proves without doubt that Lynch's Dune could have been saved if he was given final cut.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you chose to love one and hate the other?
    Why are you narrowing your mind willingfully?
    I love both and enjoy both.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finally a sane comment i am the same i think it is cool to have different versions of the same source material. Maybe in the future we can get some cool animated stuff about Dune where they can go all crazy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know man, I kinda won't be able to swallow "my favorite Vader is the 6th".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finally a sane comment i am the same i think it is cool to have different versions of the same source material. Maybe in the future we can get some cool animated stuff about Dune where they can go all crazy.

      Because Internet discussion is nothing but a bunch of rageposts
      I wish there was a decent place but everywhere is just leftist cuckshit

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who performed your lobotomy?

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ive seen all of them and Dunc 2 was the most entertaining. Lynch Dune and Dunc 1 have the same amount of problems making them roughly equal and the miniseries was good but the budget kinda made it a bit too basic
    t.reader of the books

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