Her story was probably the most disappointing. It was obviously real, there was a purpose, she could make real magic and things happen, then all of a sudden it just doesn't work any more cause D&D are bored with Stannis. And there was no point to any of it.
No it works well. It was meant to definitively expose that there is no Lord of Light and simultaneously to give a religious zealot burning his daughter at the stake his comeuppance. Also true to Martin's sense of the tragic. If sacrificing his daughter actually worked it would justify Stannis, but making it all for nothing is more Martin.
D&D always hated Stannis and never gave a shit about adapting him properly
>Honest man that upholds the rules, calls things as they are and allows for no weasling out of things.
There's no way clown world could let someone like that get popular.
>magic, not gods, are real
the ones that are doing magic only pray to one god
this is like saying theres no connection to muslims shouting the same phrase before suiciding bombing people
They weren't just "putting on costumes", they were all-out shapeshifting and were able to do it in a split second. It was magic.
There was also the sorcerers that captured Daenerys's dragons, Bran and warging in general. Magic definitely exists independent of the Lord of Light.
all the dothraki fricking died at winterfell though.
whatever
>Teleporting, re-spawning armies, ignoring logistic
Peak hack writing. Special shout out to Arya for somehow not being affected by the killing cold of the Others. You know, the one that breaks steel? Yeah...
What pissed me off the most was Varys sorcerer. You literally get the guy in a fricking box
and don't even see him ask what it was about
what he was doing
what the voice was
In a way, there's no good way to answer this. Like if you put in gods it just becomes generic gods versus gods fantasy. So I get keeping it "realistic" or "ambiguous" or however you want to phrase it
but at the same time the show leans into these elements enough that it was really unsatisfying to not get at least some answers
Yep, it went from having interesting mysteries with satisfying answers in the first seasons to JJ abrams type mystery boxes with no answers or just stupid ones. I think Varys' actor was pretty upset with no shitty his character's story turned out too
I wonder how it feels for all the cast and crew who were in the show all the way from beginning to end all feel about how the show is viewed now.
It went from being praised as the greatest thing on TV to being ridiculed and criticized the longer it went on. There is a palpable hatred for the series final season and how shit it is.
>to being ridiculed and criticized the longer it went on
This is a common misconception. It was actually highly acclaimed for every season but the last, when it suddenly dropped off a cliff. It's one of the reasons it was so poorly received, because it was so highly anticipated and then was as lame as it was.
They've all been pretty open about they feel about it. Most of them don't like it. Basically only Kit Harington thinks it's great and even criticized the criticism.
Personally I think it had the right ideas but to randomly scrunch the last season, of all the seasons, down to 6 (?!) seasons was never going to work. There was way too much to cover, and it simply tried to do it all too fast. The story ideas themselves were fine though.
Plenty of people saw the writing on the wall during seasons 6 and 7. There was plenty of criticism. Just feels like they were all purposefully drowned out and labeled naysayers. And Kit had negative things to say about the ending as well.
There may have been contrarians on Cinemaphile which would come as a huge shock but everywhere else every other season was highly acclaimed. The RT scores for each season are:
1: 90%
2: 96%
3: 96%
4: 97%
5: 93%
6: 94%
7: 94%
8: 55%
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People were slow on the uptake because, for instance, every Dorne scene was fricking terrible and absolute nonsense (we will avenge Oberyn by killing everyone Oberyn cares about)
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I was in 7
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didn't ask.
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7 and 8 are cut from pretty much the exact same cloth imo. 6 isn't great either of course, like there was writing on the wall, but 7 & 8 could pass as one season with how similar their shittiness is. I hated it but I was coping that it was shit and rushed to move them along for a kino final season. Read the leaks and...
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Like I said above, the storylines of 8 in and of themselves aren't shit, it's the fact that they were rushed. For instance the highly criticized Daenerys heelturn is literally foreshadowed the entire series. The issue is that they didn't give it room to come to a climax. And that was the same issue with all of season 8. Too much too soon.
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I had no problem about her heel turn and agree about the foreshadowing. There are still many other storyline problems beyond being just rushed. The entire showdown with the Night King wasn't just rushed but patently moronic. Arya killing him was nonsense. As was Jaime returning to Cersei. Bran becoming king had no foreshadowing whatsoever either, if anything it had the opposite.
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I thought it was shit by the end of season 2
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Took a hard turn after 4 from me, but 7 & 8 both are uniquely awful imo.
Arya is a hardened assassin so that made sense to me, the real problem is that she was miscast so seeing potato-faced Maisie Williams acting like a super acrobatic killer was always goofy. If she was better cast it would have landed better. I agree that Bran and the whole election segment was moronic. It seemed like it just totally unraveled at the end. Even the fact that Greyworm didn't execute Jon as soon as he learned Jon killed Daenerys is a joke.
She had nothing to do with that plotline whatsoever. The whole "killing the Night King kills the rest" was pretty lame as well, but even still it was Jon's kill ideally and a few others would have served better than Arya if not him. It is pretty funny how fricking weird all the kids grew up to look (meaning Bran, Arya, Sansa). Sansa was hot for a couple seasons then hit the bongwall at lightspeed. Made no sense with Jon not getting killed I agree. I didn't want him to die but the way the set it up was extremely stupid
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Arya is a hardened assassin so that made sense to me, the real problem is that she was miscast so seeing potato-faced Maisie Williams acting like a super acrobatic killer was always goofy. If she was better cast it would have landed better. I agree that Bran and the whole election segment was moronic. It seemed like it just totally unraveled at the end. Even the fact that Greyworm didn't execute Jon as soon as he learned Jon killed Daenerys is a joke.
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And now people think season 5 onwards is shit. The same happens with every popular show. They are always extremely overrated when airing.
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The fact that 8 has a 55 should tell you how reliable RT is
just a reminder that sansa should have married me when she was 16 and things would have been fine.
would have suited her better than the spice manlet, apart from being penniless and having almost no prospects.
I'm looking to crowd fund a time travel project for this to be able to happen. send btc
The chosen one of the fire god gets killed by an ugly autist. The chosen of the death god kills ice satan. The Chosen of the Old gods has the crown in the end, just as planned and so on.
Of course they didnt do shit when everything was going to plan in their books. Its only the slaver gay gods from across the narrow sea that needed to waste their divinity to interfere in the matters of the white mans gods.
Her story was probably the most disappointing. It was obviously real, there was a purpose, she could make real magic and things happen, then all of a sudden it just doesn't work any more cause D&D are bored with Stannis. And there was no point to any of it.
The implication is that magic, not gods, are real. Which is why...
her powers stopped working. Because she was "losing faith" (in reality, losing self confidence).
that's something dumb D&D made up to justify killing off Stannis, and I don't like it.
No it works well. It was meant to definitively expose that there is no Lord of Light and simultaneously to give a religious zealot burning his daughter at the stake his comeuppance. Also true to Martin's sense of the tragic. If sacrificing his daughter actually worked it would justify Stannis, but making it all for nothing is more Martin.
>Honest man that upholds the rules, calls things as they are and allows for no weasling out of things.
There's no way clown world could let someone like that get popular.
>magic, not gods, are real
the ones that are doing magic only pray to one god
this is like saying theres no connection to muslims shouting the same phrase before suiciding bombing people
They're not the only ones doing magic. See Jaqen and the Many-Faced God.
that shit is just puttin on a costume homie i got a mask for halloween
you literally pray to this the red god and he might res your boy
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They weren't just "putting on costumes", they were all-out shapeshifting and were able to do it in a split second. It was magic.
There was also the sorcerers that captured Daenerys's dragons, Bran and warging in general. Magic definitely exists independent of the Lord of Light.
>you literally pray to this the red god and he might res your boy
No you perform the magic ritual and you get a wight reanimated by fire
>wight reanimated by fire
yea beric and jon snow were just mindless wights running around attacking everyone
Also the blue lips guy in that city that steals the dragons.
D&D always hated Stannis and never gave a shit about adapting him properly
She actually lit those Dothraki swords on fire which helped a lot
helped get those homies all killed lol
No at least half of them returned from the wight murderwave, that was the fire's doing clearly. How else would they have made it back?
and thats another thing. how the frick were there dothrakis to attack kings landing, they literally all died.. insufferable
She only brought a fraction of her forces north.
all the dothraki fricking died at winterfell though.
whatever
>Teleporting, re-spawning armies, ignoring logistic
Peak hack writing. Special shout out to Arya for somehow not being affected by the killing cold of the Others. You know, the one that breaks steel? Yeah...
>after turning 30
She was also the hottest GoT girl by a mile
Nobody tops Daenerys you heathen
for me it's either the short haired sand viper girl, or ramse boltons girl
best girl was a boy
no
>daenerys > missandei >>>>> WGAF
What pissed me off the most was Varys sorcerer. You literally get the guy in a fricking box
and don't even see him ask what it was about
what he was doing
what the voice was
In a way, there's no good way to answer this. Like if you put in gods it just becomes generic gods versus gods fantasy. So I get keeping it "realistic" or "ambiguous" or however you want to phrase it
but at the same time the show leans into these elements enough that it was really unsatisfying to not get at least some answers
Yep, it went from having interesting mysteries with satisfying answers in the first seasons to JJ abrams type mystery boxes with no answers or just stupid ones. I think Varys' actor was pretty upset with no shitty his character's story turned out too
I wonder how it feels for all the cast and crew who were in the show all the way from beginning to end all feel about how the show is viewed now.
It went from being praised as the greatest thing on TV to being ridiculed and criticized the longer it went on. There is a palpable hatred for the series final season and how shit it is.
>to being ridiculed and criticized the longer it went on
This is a common misconception. It was actually highly acclaimed for every season but the last, when it suddenly dropped off a cliff. It's one of the reasons it was so poorly received, because it was so highly anticipated and then was as lame as it was.
They've all been pretty open about they feel about it. Most of them don't like it. Basically only Kit Harington thinks it's great and even criticized the criticism.
Personally I think it had the right ideas but to randomly scrunch the last season, of all the seasons, down to 6 (?!) seasons was never going to work. There was way too much to cover, and it simply tried to do it all too fast. The story ideas themselves were fine though.
Plenty of people saw the writing on the wall during seasons 6 and 7. There was plenty of criticism. Just feels like they were all purposefully drowned out and labeled naysayers. And Kit had negative things to say about the ending as well.
There may have been contrarians on Cinemaphile which would come as a huge shock but everywhere else every other season was highly acclaimed. The RT scores for each season are:
1: 90%
2: 96%
3: 96%
4: 97%
5: 93%
6: 94%
7: 94%
8: 55%
People were slow on the uptake because, for instance, every Dorne scene was fricking terrible and absolute nonsense (we will avenge Oberyn by killing everyone Oberyn cares about)
I was in 7
didn't ask.
7 and 8 are cut from pretty much the exact same cloth imo. 6 isn't great either of course, like there was writing on the wall, but 7 & 8 could pass as one season with how similar their shittiness is. I hated it but I was coping that it was shit and rushed to move them along for a kino final season. Read the leaks and...
Like I said above, the storylines of 8 in and of themselves aren't shit, it's the fact that they were rushed. For instance the highly criticized Daenerys heelturn is literally foreshadowed the entire series. The issue is that they didn't give it room to come to a climax. And that was the same issue with all of season 8. Too much too soon.
I had no problem about her heel turn and agree about the foreshadowing. There are still many other storyline problems beyond being just rushed. The entire showdown with the Night King wasn't just rushed but patently moronic. Arya killing him was nonsense. As was Jaime returning to Cersei. Bran becoming king had no foreshadowing whatsoever either, if anything it had the opposite.
I thought it was shit by the end of season 2
Took a hard turn after 4 from me, but 7 & 8 both are uniquely awful imo.
She had nothing to do with that plotline whatsoever. The whole "killing the Night King kills the rest" was pretty lame as well, but even still it was Jon's kill ideally and a few others would have served better than Arya if not him. It is pretty funny how fricking weird all the kids grew up to look (meaning Bran, Arya, Sansa). Sansa was hot for a couple seasons then hit the bongwall at lightspeed. Made no sense with Jon not getting killed I agree. I didn't want him to die but the way the set it up was extremely stupid
Arya is a hardened assassin so that made sense to me, the real problem is that she was miscast so seeing potato-faced Maisie Williams acting like a super acrobatic killer was always goofy. If she was better cast it would have landed better. I agree that Bran and the whole election segment was moronic. It seemed like it just totally unraveled at the end. Even the fact that Greyworm didn't execute Jon as soon as he learned Jon killed Daenerys is a joke.
And now people think season 5 onwards is shit. The same happens with every popular show. They are always extremely overrated when airing.
The fact that 8 has a 55 should tell you how reliable RT is
We'vld been saying it was going to shit for years before the public agreed with us, frick you
just a reminder that sansa should have married me when she was 16 and things would have been fine.
would have suited her better than the spice manlet, apart from being penniless and having almost no prospects.
I'm looking to crowd fund a time travel project for this to be able to happen. send btc
Revisionist history
That’s why GRRM is a hack writer.
The chosen one of the fire god gets killed by an ugly autist. The chosen of the death god kills ice satan. The Chosen of the Old gods has the crown in the end, just as planned and so on.
Then the Drowned God was just fake and never did anything?
Euron spends nearly all of his time living by the drowned god's commands and pulls off ludicrous win after ludicrous win.
In the books euron is a beast with actual goals
Drowned God gave Euron's fleet magic teleport powers
Of course they didnt do shit when everything was going to plan in their books. Its only the slaver gay gods from across the narrow sea that needed to waste their divinity to interfere in the matters of the white mans gods.
the whole open HBO shilling thing has been nothing but sad