the people in charge of the animation industry, everybody
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Better them than morons on Cinemaphile
Go find somewhere else to infest then.
Please honestly have a nice day.
average Cinemaphile person is better than the industry which is filled with race-obsessed milquetoast brown nosers who wouldn't know a good joke if it kicked them in the ass. people here actually know what it takes to get people to laugh.
So Cinemaphile isn't race obsessed?
I haven't been here in a few months, but last I as here, I became convinced everyone on Cinemaphile has some kind of race fetish. Even the people who claim to be against it seemed to be projecting to me.
Because of the strong /misc/ undercurrent, it is but in the opposite direction.
>morons on Cinemaphile
That includes meatcanyon and Zach hadel btw
this is ironically funny because Cinemaphile is browsed by some people in the industry, they won't just openly admit it because obvious reasons.
I don't see any difference
Pathetic samegay
Pathetic bait.
No they're not lol, running the industry is as simple as not being stupid
Explains why you can’t do it
I like to see how you would try.
Fpwp
Based and completely correct, these guys can’t handle it
We’ve established multiple times over the decades, that random Cinemaphile posters have a better understanding of dramatic and comedic writing, pacing, theming, character arcs, shot composition, etc. than the average studio executives running the industry, most modern animation studios, the majority of comic creators, etc.
Dlwhy did she turn into a stonetoss character?
I saw Peggy Weggy.
It's called online radicalisation you fricking c
Where's da amongoose?
Where the n in the signature overlaps with the computer stand.
Stonetoss 's israelite dick
Makes me wish western cartoons got the same backing and support anime did. A webnovel to graphic novel to cartoon pipeline would be amazing
You say that on a website dedicated to stealing from and not supporting content creators
What the frick are you on about what does that have to do with what he's saying. He said he wants a adaptation based pipeline the way the Japanese have which acts as a pillar for their animation industry. Literally what the frick are you on about. This is like someone having a discussion on abortion rights and then out of nowhere someone brings up socialist factions who are both for and against it.
Literally what the frick does that have to do with anything you insipid Black person.
Because what the frick is the point of such a pipeline if the main demographic it is intended to pander to DON'T FRICKING PAY INTO IT. Maybe think first, then type.
Except many people in the animation industry said that the amount of people that pirate shows and movies are negligible in the grand scheme of things
>backing and support
Learn to read you dumb frick
Thanks for outing yourself as a tourist. Cinemaphile always throws money at what they like if it's genuinely entertaining.
>Cinemaphile always throws money at what they like if it's genuinely entertaining
>calls others tourists
Hahahahaha
You've clearly already made your minds up about the place despite knowing nothing of board culture, so do yourselves a favor and go back to whatever social media hub you stumbled in from.
What board culture, Anon. It's 2024. There's no board culture. All boards do the same shit, with some funky variations in-between. The Cinemaphile you speak of has been dead for over a decade and only a couple of oldgays carry the flickering flame.
Time's a changin'
Onlyfan simping doesn't count as supporting your artist.
>. Cinemaphile always throws money at what they like if it's genuinely entertaining.
Cinemaphile doesn't even throw money at the advertisers they click the pirate links from.
Digits of truth. There's plenty that I've bought after seeing it storytimed here, which I never would have known about otherwise.
AND I'D DO IT AGAIN!
I am entitled to free entertainment. Content creators are my slaves. Everyone who isn't me is my slave.
Are you me?
They should try not making dogshit and maybe people would support them. There hasn't been good media made in a long time.
>make better shit for me to steal and ill stop stealing
go back to sucking wieners. we both know youre a gayget
keep making dogshit and antagonizing your audiences. i'm sure people will choose to support you then. fricking moron,
Hows that stealing coming along? shit getting any better? Nobody wants to pander to an audience of gaygets like you
I'm watching plenty of old shit all the time. Loving it. It's way better than the crap shit out by people now. I will never support dogshit. So either make better shit or frick off. I got plenty of old shit to watch. if you want to make dogshit, don't cry when people don't pay for it.
I assure you that if everyone who pirated a piece of media bought it instead, it wouldn't have done shit to support those works.
Ai threads are unwanted actually
Says you
I only pay for ownership of things that provide experiences I couldn't get otherwise.
Meaning
a)things that are just on streaming places, that can be taken down are not to be paid for, they shall be pirated.
b)things that I can own, but the experience they provide can also be gained for free, shall not be paid for. This includes BluRay stuff and so on.
Technically that happened with Dead End/Deadendia
Nimona too
it needs to be more popular and to be more popular you need passionate creative hard working people behind them not sjws
Westoids don't have the work ethic to handle soulful slave labor
Pretty much this. The anime industry's working conditions would make these people understand the true meaning of crunch. Working unpaid overtime, sleeping at their desk instead of going home for the night, literally dying from exhaustion to churn something out that still has quality to it.
Just look at invincible season 2, took 3 years to make and still looks like shit. Japanese animators would kill for those working standards.
But they do (see: AAA game development in general)
It would need a huge industry of manga to adapt stories from.
The main reason anime gets that stuff is because the suits and execs and people with the actual money to get projects off the ground are actual fans of the properties, not just soulless suits looking for more cash flow.
Something like what happened with Studio Bind would never happen in America because no one with the kind of money to kickstart a studio and make their dream show is an actual fan of anything in America, they're only interested in making money, they don't HAVE a dream show.
Your best bet for that kind of thing would be someone like an Elon Musk, who'd be more likely to do it for the clout than anything else. Unfortunately for this hypothetical, Elon Musk is clearly a wannabe weeb, so he'd be more likely to pump money into an anime production than anything western.
>The main reason anime gets that stuff is because the suits and execs and people with the actual money to get projects off the ground are actual fans of the properties, not just soulless suits looking for more cash flow.
If that were the case, then most of the output would be a lot more interest than it mostly is now, and there probably wouldn't be any production committees around either
Sorry, your ESLness makes this post hard to understand, what?
What's so "ESL" about it? One typo aside it's a pretty simple to comprehend.
That's not easy to comprehend. I had to try three different reads before I realised what you meant, anon presumably gave up earlier than I did.
>If that were the case, then most of the output would be a lot more interest than it mostly is now, and there probably wouldn't be any production committees around either
I'll try to translate:
Anime executives and producers aren't really fans of the source material. If they were, then most of the anime being made would be much better. In reality, anime is being created by committees, just like western animation.
How did I do?
There was a point where I really wanted this for western media, and while it was far from perfect I did appreciate Atla for showing it was possible. However, given modern storytelling and attempts at overarching plots, I don't have much confidence in anything being decent in the current industry.
I'm fine with us being largely decent at making indie games.
Most anime adaptions are pointless though. Only very few work with a good enough studio to make it worth it.
I want more anime originals.
>I want more anime projects that are known for losing money because their source hasn't been vetted with the masses so companies end up losing quintillions.
There's a reason studios like kyoani need to cause workplace "accidents" to cash out on insurance
I’ll be the first to do it. Don’t worry
Go work as a storyboard and clean up slave for Mappa if you want to work on serious animation, even Brazilians do it nowadays and then b***h about the workload serious animation places on them.
Western animation is and always will be centered around episodic, childish, humorist benign garbage that exists as novelty for adults. Nothing about that will change, Disney needs to keep up a status quo, so does CN even if they have to resort to making programming for babies too stupid to use an ipad yet and watch Skibidi Toilet instead of Bluey. They will not let you make a fully serious tv show about sex, drugs, and violence even if seven year old children would love it just as much as adults. Go work for Japan or the internet for that.
tl;dr
americans are a dumbed down people
Anon I just want some crackhead to make more shows like the 90s Spawn animated show. Why I'd that so difficult?
...or work in western live action film/tv, since no one really gives a shit about the jap equivs if it doesn't have samurai, big lizards, or people in bug costumes.
I hate the Animal Crossing nose
Why the frick is everything un by women now. That's why everything's so shit cause women have no taste. Women adore and love works by men but you never see men fanboying over anything made by a female FRICK I HATE WOMEN STOP RUINING ALL MY FAVOURITE THINGS WITH YOUR MEDIOCRITY
>but you never see men fanboying over anything made by a female
/mlp/
>yeah, wishfart totally sucked because exects wanted more gags and less themes.
reminds me of the sony leaks, where a core theme for Smurfs 2 was "the color blue".
trying to imagine a bunch of suits who get paid way too much having meetings over this.
To be fair this is actually highly optimized and efficient labor when you realize like I said, western entertainment is made for children and adults with the mental capabilities of children.
>mfw I remember that Skyrim only had "Dragons", "Dungeons" and "Adventure" as themes in the barebones crap they called design plan documentation
"Dungeons & Dragons adventure" is fairly sensible design for a video game though.
What am I suppose to put for themes if I’m making a work
Starting with themes is for propagandists and suits with 0 creativity. Artists treat their work as an adventure. They will explore it with sincerity and let the art slowly reveal its meaning to them as they create.
Ask me how I know you probably cheated on essays in literature class.
If you don't know what the themes of your work are, you haven't thought enough about why you want to make it, and if your answer to that is "I'm making it to get a job/make money/etc", you don't need to worry about themes at all.
“A theme is a universal idea, lesson, or message explored throughout a work.”
So for a lot of family/kids media the theme will be something like family, friendship, kindness, bravery, helping others, being yourself, taking responsibility, finding your place in the world, etc. Some more serious themes would be loss, grief, death, loneliness, revenge, redemption, self-sacrifice, etc.
One important thing to know is that a story doesn’t necessarily have to promote its themes, simply explore them. If a story’s theme is fatherhood then it can explore both the good and bad elements of it, the hardships and the rewards, and maybe at the end the story will take a definite stance on the concept - maybe the main character ends up enjoying being a father and thinking it’s worth it, or maybe he realizes he isn’t cut out for it, or maybe he just accepts it without feeling too strongly either way. No matter what the story’s stance is, the concept has been explored, making it the story’s theme. A story can have multiple themes though, and explore certain themes more deeply than others.
Thanks chat gpt 4
Sony Animation is able to make good movies because the suits stay the frick out of their way. Unfortunately, the live action studios are not so lucky, because those Sony execs are genuinely moronic.
>the color blue
whats wrong with this theme, tho
>a core theme for Smurfs 2 was "the color blue".
based
>The colour Blue
As stupid as this is, I guess it's technically a theme?... Maybe? Aren't narrative themes, not just meanings derived from the work, but also the audience perception of what the work is? In this case, if there's a lot of blue... Well I guess it could be considered a theme... It's just really dumb to say it's a 'key theme' at least.
It's like if someone asked you if you 'needed anything' and your serious response was breathable air... I mean you're right... but also shut the hell up.
Also having themes like "Believe in Yourself" next to "Food and Man Living in Harmony" is just dumb. It's an important moral lesson next to a stupid kiddy plot point.
If the blue doesn't actually mean something it's not a theme it's just aesthetic choice. And not everything mentioned in a work is directly related to the plot, characters, or themes, sometimes shit is just setting a scene.
A motif is not a theme. Motifs are visual or audio cues used to emphasize or draw attention to themes.
Ex. A core theme of Up is dealing with and resolving loss. This theme is reinforced using the motif of Carl and Ellie’s chairs. But empty chairs are not, in and of themselves, a theme.
The more revealing thing here is that most execs don’t comprehend a difference between motifs and themes. It explains a lot, really.
>Food & Man living in harmony
How the frick do executives manage to stay alive being this dumb?
This poor woman, so knowledgeable, knowing what's best for someone else's work but they won't listen and literally don't know what a theme is. I feel so bad for her. I admire that she made a comic about herself in the situation and that she fricked up it/it's on her own work. Women have it ROUGH.
Spotted the virgin
Why not a gag that is also pretty fitting to to the theme? I think One Piece can pull it off.
>with a client
Wait so how does this work?
freelancer.
Sadly, in this instance the “clients” are probably right. Have they seen modern kids’ attention spans? Two seconds of inactivity and they’re reaching for a phone to watch youtube shorts.
The Sony leaks were a real eye opener for how genuinely, clinically moronic nepo hire industry execs are. I will never forget that Amy Pascal found the MLP movie, a movie written for pre-teens, too confusing to understand and her suggestion to improve it was
>maek bigger
>The Sony leaks were a real eye opener for how genuinely, clinically moronic nepo hire industry execs are.
QRD?
Behold, average studio exec intelligence.
The anonymous person who forwarded this email from Pascal on simply added: "oy"
>aiiieeee the movie is making me ask questions, and I'm unable to apply critical thinking and/or imagination to fill over the gaps myself
>it should begin with a 30 minute essay explaining every single thing in the world
NTA, but I get making things more accessible to audiences who don't know these characters and terms.
But dumping the majority of it in favor of warping everyone "INTO OUR WORLD" is just...oy.
What movie?
The My Little Pony movie apparently.
Yeah, I remember the artbook revealing that the princesses were going to have a long-lost brother named "Cosmos", but he got hard-reworked into a completely different character, Tempest Shadow.
Continuing from
, a musical and/or visual sequence would've been effective to reintroduce familiar concepts and introduce new ones, just like Tempest's song. But if the script had that and Pascal STILL couldn't grasp it, then there really is no saving these people.
2017 pony movie. Very early draft with characters and plot points that don't show up in the final version.
I need to read some more of those Amy Pascal emails
No "ma" huh?
There's a long-held saying in the entertainment industry:
"No one ever lost money by underestimating the American public"
I don't see how you can say that's true after the bloodbath last year of movies doing exactly that. "Surely they'll eat up whatever we put in front of them!"
>"animation execs are stupid" (posted on Cinemaphile) :O
>"animation execs are stupid" (posted on twitter) >:(
The "themes" of modern cartoons are so fricking pathetic and hollow that i'm glad that execs are fricking the creators over so they can cram in another joke because their pie charts told them it will raise the show's appeal by 0.4%
shitting on your customers as a freelancer is not a wise working ethic practice.
>people that steal from you
>customers
beggers cant be choosers
>sign contract to work on a project
>do what you get paid for
>o actually it's thievery because....
Standards are important to have. If you want more meaningful artwork than pornography, viewers need to appreciate the work properly.
You should just grow up so that you can process criticism without exploding over your feelings being hurt (which seeks to control others with such performances).
>approach topic like a soulless suit
The money is always right!
Customers can be stupid and wrong. It's not a matter of taste to not know what a fricking theme is when you're producing media, it's a fundamental failure to understand the field you're working in and the best possible outcome is that someone takes the time to educate your dumbass before you embarrass yourself fully.
Why is everybody feeding the obvious troll? I know a lot of you gays are autistic but someone who has literally only posted itt variations of
>you suck, Cinemaphile
should really ring alarm bells.
>homie doesn't even know what the frick a theme is
genuinely, how do you even respond to this? how can a soulless homunculi who has never once considered why someone would enjoy the things he has a hand in making come to understand their artistic merit?
I would be fricking floored if I heard that from someone on a creative team.
>it’s
why are so many fricking people drawing characters with abstract shapes for noses now?
bump
do episodes always need an overarching theme
No, but if an episode has already been plotted out, you shouldn't alter its core elements because it can ruin the entire episode. If the theme itself is the problem, the episode should be scrapped entirely instead of wasting production time and money on it.
How can we get actual animators to be leads in projects instead of some nepo baby who doesn't actually know shit?
Only way to do that is indie. But eventually someone who sees value in it will put their money into it and ruin it with their ideas...Execs and their "talent"
What the hell is theme?
I think I know what but I'm not sure, pls spoonfeed me
I don't like the title, "discussing an episode with it is client". I'm normally chill with bad grammar but a comic criticising others for literary reasons should put in the minimal effort.
Eternal reminder that Termite Terrace did their best work when Jack Warner and rest of the studio execs had no idea who they were and barely remembered that it was their studio that distributed Looney Tune/Merrie Melodies
I relate to this comic.
I do writing work and I've been in the situation of begging and pleading with the money guys not to do something because it'd be bad writing, would wreck a key theme or objective of the story, but they push past me, do it anyway, and there's my name on it when they publish the thing.
Having my name on a bad product is frustrating. But spending an hour trying to run a crash course on themes and characters so my employer will understand, only to be told to "make it work" is by far the worst part of it. It doesn't work. They don't understand, though, they think creativity is some kind of obtuse magic with no real rules.