Why is Frank so hated nowadays? I don't understand it. These same people love John Wick and other characters of the same niche/archetype.
The Punisher
Why is Frank so hated nowadays? I don't understand it. These same people love John Wick and other characters of the same niche/archetype.
Guess it's more to do with the edgy people who have co-opted The Punisher's ideaology and his symbol rather than the character. He's a very hard to write character in current yeay.
It's entirely because people they don't like put the skull on things.
I don’t really get why do people think it’s a problem when a extrajudicial serial killer’s logo is purposefully and eagerly being co-opted by police who clearly idolise and want to larp as the character while on the job? Who doesn’t feel safe when the police themselves want to be seen as people who want to murder you and when they harm and kill people who have not done anything warranting physical force or death the cops nearly always get away with it because they have automatic immunity in many cases?
Why does Frank never kill black gangbangers
I love Pennisher.
Wow I had no idea Marvel was so racist.
Coz they diddu nuthin wrong
They wuz good boys..
personally? he is a fraud
Corrupt cops like him, people who hate cops hate him because of that ( even though a lot of antifas sense of "community justice" lines up with Punishers) and other violent gun loving schizos also idealize him.
Frankly (ha) he's just a captain America that kills and uses guns. I liked him in the Daredevil show and his own but he's ultimately a normal guy who uses guns to punish those he sees as deserving it...and we have plenty of those yahoos in reality
>Corrupt cops
And how do you know they are corrupt?
You haven't seen any real corrupt cop in your life, the moment you see a real corrupt cop you will shit your pants privileged white scum.
Can you at least follow the script correctly
He ain't a cop, moron. Punisher is cool, but what sets him apart from John Wick is the fact that Wick is an ex-criminal fighting against his history, while the Punisher is an anarchist and unpredictable.
The biggest problem is that people don't really know how to make his story interesting nowadays. I think that Widowmaker was very interesting, even if I didn't enjoy it as much as Punisher: Kingpin. What makes the stories, is if it is or is not "grounded" (without supers) and if his opponent poses an actual danger to him.
>he's just a captain America that kills and uses guns
This is wrong on literally every level. It's actually amazing how you could be this wrong.
I don't think he's hated, I just think Marvel doesn't want to use him anymore. Which is a shame.
I Marvel does want to use him but they just consider Frank and his symbol to be toxic for them as a brand right now, it's why they just replaced Frank with another random guy with a similar origin but this time not connected to any real-world organisation or events or use Real World guns as fans would b***h endlessly if frank used silly sci-fi guns for an entire run(unless he was in space or it was Punisher 2099)
>Images you can hear
Still blows my mind that the composer for the Kingdom Hearts soundtrack did the soundtrack for this too. You can even hear the signature style in it.
It's not Frank. It's the skull that make liberals seethe. And Marvel listens to anyone, expect people that buy comics.
Cops and Navy Seal made the Punisher skull cringe. Plus Frank was in Nam, he should be pretty old by now. He's genocided over a couple of thousand baddies by now yet crime hasn't reduced at all
Tldr: Nu Frank art looks soulless AF, I miss Garth
>He's genocided over a couple of thousand baddies by now yet crime hasn't reduced at all
Yeah but no long running comic character has permanently reduced crime (someone prove me wrong, I'm curious about it)
Captain America helped win WW2, does that count?
Shitposting aside, last I read some years back, Gambit stopped the Thieves Guild Assassins Guild murderous rivalry that had been going on for generations and has them with an ongoing peace treaty that has somehow managed to stick over the years, so that maybe sort of counts on crime reduction
>he should be pretty old by now
That redstone he got when he was Frankenstein made him younger
I still like him it's just Marvel writers seem to fricking hate him for no good reason
Disney and Marvel want to downplay Punisher's popularity because of the whole "cops using Punisher's symbol" even though the easy thing to do is to having Punisher push back against cops using his symbol in stories
Or at least I thought that was the only reason. Turns out that the following:
>Secret Empire, where Frank blindly joins HydraCap
>the Jason Aaron Punisher series from recent years
>the recent Punisher miniseries with the new guy
all have Brevoort credited as editor. Maybe it's just a Brevoort thing?
we will see what Moss does with Frank post Get Fury since I'm pretty sure he is running that selection of Marvel characters now since Brevort left to make the X-men more palatable for Marvel Studios and general audiences.
its not punisher that is hated.
Disney is evading using Punisher because his movie logo got co-opted by a military unit. It was used by Sniper Chris Kyle's unit in the military. Because of the popularity of that it that got co-opted by extreme right wingers that attacked the Capitol.
no it didnt moronhomosexual
>Right wingers literally wear it and put it on everything they own not because of the Punisher because of OH I SHOW SUPPORT FOR CHRIS KYLE nonsense
>attacked the Capitol
Oh shut the frick up, you actual moron. There was no attack and by calling it one you invalidated what could have been argued as fair points, homosexual
I'd ask where you were January 6th but given you're on Cinemaphile your ass was probably too fat to make it up the stairs
>Tucker Carlson said they were peaceful, and I believe him entirely even though he admitted that he hates everyone like me in leaked emails
Don't whataboutism me, I know the Left deliberately portrayed it as worse than it actually was. Those people would've murdered every single Congressman if they had been inside and everyone knows it. Just because they failed doesn't mean it wasn't an attempted insurrection. This historical revisionist shit is fricked.
Comics. Cartoons.
>attacked the Capitol.
i wish
All the grannies in fringe jackets were just elaborate cover and you know it chud
They acted like it was a thousand men and women in full kit with AR15s.
If the right truly wanted violence that day and to overthrow the government or whatever CNN talking point you'd like to parrot, we'd have seen a bloodbath
it got coopted by anyone and everyone
there's footage of various african forces with punisher emblems
Reminds me of how The Phantom became really popular in Papua New Guinea and so they'd draw images of him on their war shields, shields that historically had images meant to keep you safe in battle. Dudes really killed each other in tribal warfare with shields adorned by a comic character in the 80s.
In another universe The Phantom would have remained popular in the west as well and you'd have tons of military units adopting his look, wearing skull rings to show they're a vet or giving out the good mark as challenge coins.
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Why has every live action Punisher failed?
because it's just Death Wish but more convoluted
S1 was kino
Turning Microchip into a skinny twink & making Frank share the spotlight with some random hole.
>turn the punisher show into a gay shit about cucking micro
the first one was kino the only problem is they skipped the costume and it's filmed in some gay city
He murders the hell out of people and his skull is associated with the alt right
Also everyone should play the punisher arcade game and the punisher 6th gen game.
The funeral mission is fricking kino.
I like warzone
Punisher is one of those characters that you can't have an actual thread about until they start using again the same way he's always been. So maybe another few years before he returns to his usual.
Get Fury was fine
Reminder: The Police are not your friend.
Like Steven Universe and the forbidden board, the problem isn't the media, the problem is the fandom.
It's the people who think criminals should walk free that hate the concept of a man going out to deal with the meth heads, drug dealers, rapists and murderous scumbags in the world. The world thirsts for morally Gray and the Punisher is black and white. Evil is evil and thats the way it is.
>Libtard: There is no such thing as "Evil" everybody is misunderstood, Except conservatives they're all secret Nazis.
We're slowly growing more and more into a world where if Marvel wanted to really capitalize on cash they'd make a Frank that goes out and kills criminals, tresspassers, pedofiles, traffickers and the evils that be. Franks never been more right than now and thats just the truth of it. You just have bunch of latte liberals writing a pro gun hero they know nothing about and understand nothing about.
Remember when Joss Whedon called the Punisher 'fascist crap'
>Lol incel
No one watched the whole show, It was a chore like Jessica Jones.
>n-no watched it
cope
All the Neflix shows have been memory-holed.
This wasn't even a debate newbie.
If it was you would've lost lol
Yeah thank god you reunited all those crack babies with their birth mothers.
>he's devolved into gibberish
Lol.
Quiet foid men are talking.
He's my favorite Marvel character 🙂
Who'd win?
Frank with ease. Especially if it's MAX Frank.
The Comedian was too much of a government lapdog, Frank would have domed him with a sniper shot before anyone even knew he was in town, while The Comedian was still waiting for his orders. Probably from a grassy knoll just to give a frick you to The Comedian's handlers.
Frank is a borderline psychotic Mad Max/Rambo (First Blood) type character and everyone wants him to be the heckin' good guy who supports [political thing] instead because modern audiences cant handle a morally dubious protagonist if it isnt an obvious "Lol! people I dont like are suffering!" power fantasy.
They genuinely don't understand that he's only a hero that Heroes hate, VIllains are afraid of and The common people secretly love. You don't have to agree with what he does, you don't have to like what he does or how he does it but, when Marvel citizen X's grandma gets mugged and shot in her car because a bunch of gang bangers for the king pin popped her off and ditched her corpse in the gutters you're not gonna see iron man take it as personal as Frank is. He's gonna be sipping martini's and complaining about politics with his teenage crime fighting team or playing air hockey with thor. Franks gonna be putting everybody that was involved in a body bag if they're lucky to get off that easy. He's not meant to be a guy you look up to or a guy you want to inspire to be. He's the guy you're thanking god is out there to put down animals when they need it.
>They genuinely don't understand that he's only a hero that Heroes hate
I can't wrap my head around this. I can see them be uncomfortable around him because of how single-minded and anti-social he is, but it's not like they don't hang around killers themselves.
Because he's not going to their special avengers parties. He's hanging out with old man Fury and sleeping in a minivan down by the river.
Peak Frank right here
that was an interesting video though I doubt Terintino particles like his likeness/voice being used for random AI-generated video essays on Youtube
yeah I can see the similarities with the current Punisher right now but it's Marvel basically creating to stuff outside of the Comic Punisher himself hasn't really been edgy or even daring in a way since Punisher Max ended and none of the people who decry Punisher as a fascist symbol care about the Comics at all
Gimme the definitive Frank reading list please.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/97815635/#97815635
>Pisses off a Logangay
>Logangay makes a comic where someone implies Frank is gay
Comics are written by literal manchildren and it is embarrassing
I mean, Ennis comics are quite literally edgy manchildren shit too.
>Those superheroes suck, they fight cosmic threats and save the world, but that doesn't matter. They don't fight the REAL bad guys.
>A guy with a gun is so much better and cooler than them. He could totally kick the asses of people with literal supernatural powers and abilities
That's why his best book is MAX, he doesn't have to try and work within a shared universe he hates and is free to focus on the character that interests him most.
That having been said his Knights run is a lot of fun, and I think the kind of people who get uppity about the way he treats other superheroes in it are exactly the same people Ennis wanted to tick off
Not saying you're one of them, just giving my two cents
obnoxious fans and culture war bs
>be cop
>work in city where people are mad at cops for killing people
>decide to use the symbol of the one superhero who's defining characteristic is that he kills people
they could have just gone with spiderman or batman and just completely avoid the controversy
>city where people are mad at cops for killing people
Funny, they never are mad at gangs or drug dealers for killing people every day, just cops defending themselves.
This might be a novel idea for you but people may in fact hate both the gangs and the ineffective cops for killing indiscriminately. The difference is that cops are supposed to protect you
This. Being a cop is a dangerous job, which is why you should have particularly strong mental fortitude in order to be one. If you are so terrified for your life that the sound of a fricking acorn falling makes you start blasting at civilians indiscriminately, then I hate to brake it to you, but you have absolutely zero fricking business being a cop.
>break
Fricking autofill
>Being a cop is a dangerous job
Not as dangerous as delivering pizzas, though.
>and the ineffective cops for killing indiscriminately
When you grow up past your ideological preferences and actually watch the bodycams of cops you'll come to realize just how moronic and subhuman the people they deal with on a daily basis is.
I can guarantee you most of the cop happenings were justified. but you wont know that unless you go out of your way to find those things, but i get it, its easy just believing in headliners
>Naw bro it’s totally justified when cops shoot homeless people having a mental episode, break bones from old people with dementia who aren’t even being aggressive, kill/paralyse people because they can’t be bothered to strap people in their police wagon so when they do quick stops the person in the back goes bouncing around like a pinball machine and then crack their spine and when cops open the back they don’t give a shit, don’t believe you’re hurt, don’t call for a doctor and just go around dragging form a limb which further damages your body.
It’s also part of the job to deal with shit. If as a consequence you start seeing everyone as a nail you have to hammer you need to change your fricking job instead of being cheered on as you use excessive force and then the city has to pay millions of dollars to make up for your violent tantrums at the job that you clearly are not qualified for.
>Nooooo cops should let themselves get killed by thugs and gangsters, they don't have any right of self defense.
also that anon is right, when you look at the evidence and the bodycams you can see how eight out of ten times the cops are justified.
there have also been a lot cases of cops being killed for trying to talk and deescalate the situation, but you don't care about those because it doesn't help your narrative.
>cops get to main, kill and injure people all they want as long it’s not me being abused
And that’s why you’re a bootlicker.
>let's the rich buttholes and corrupt politicians be the only ones who can pay for private security, the rest can frick themselves in a lawless shithole ruled by gangsters and criminals.
That’s an awful lot of projection and complete nonsense spouted by a person who clearly doesn’t understand anything they’re whining about because defending cops is a political football game for you.
>defending cops is a political football game for you
Just like Demonizing cops is for you, let me tell you something, cops have the same rights as you, innocent until proven guilty and generalizing that all cops are bad and saying stupid nonsense like "defund the police" will only end in a corrupt society where only rich people will be able to pay for security and law enforcement, that shit has happened in the past.
Oh right, being against cops doing unlawful and wrong things is “just politics” because cops have to be completely immune from criticism in a system that’s entirely rigged towards covering their asses when they do the wrong thing. Very interesting worldview.
the frick are your talking about, more cops have been imprisoned in the last years than ever and without any good evidence against them in most cases.
you mean the reforms that bail criminals and sex offenders out of jail just so they could keep committing crimes?
https://nypost.com/2024/03/03/opinion/bail-fail-study-shows-that-repeat-crime-increased-in-new-york-because-of-justice-reforms/
>they’re putting innocent cops in prison!!!
better than the sex offenders they are bailing out of jail right?
was a gudboi
This is a problem of prosecutors pleading cases down to minor offences for quick turnaround, or laws not classifying certain things as violent when they should be, not fault of bail reform that exists to not keep people in jail because they can’t afford thousands of dollars for a bail over a minor, non-violent offence.
>and generalizing that all cops are bad
There are no good cops when they stay silent and/or actively cover up for bad cops which happens all the time due to blue wall of silence being a major issue in the police force. Or how cops regularly start to slow walk and not do their job when people try to do reforms.
>spiderman
No one ever accused cops of being smart. The fact that they solve any crimes at all is a testament to just how fricking braindead most criminals are.
Because he's been appropriated by edgelords, school shooters, corrupt/racist cops and, worst of all, boring white guys.
Because Democrats want to privatize security and law enforcement.
Are you hyped? I'm frickin hyped.
Frank is Guts now after he got isekai'd into another world.
The last few issues were a riot. Nobody in the story mentioned or cared about Wolverine's bodycount, which should be as high as Punisher's if not higher. Yet somehow Wolverine still has the moral high ground.
Did Joss write it
No Jason Aaron did.
Keanu Reeves isn't white.
It's that simple.
Now stop making this same thread over and over again.
>Keanu Reeves isn't white.
>It's that simple.
>Now stop making this same thread over and over again.
You know Marvel is full of hacks when they let Jason Aaron do the "Frank was actually a shit husband and dad that was getting divorced and he was a bad guy all along! Tha family thing is justan excuse!!!" Wich is the most midwit reddit take you can do with him and far less interesting than Frank being a good family man that got insane from his family getting killed
his Namor book will probably be the same I wonder how aaron will drag him through the mud even more than he already did in his avengers run
he is a regular white guy that fights back
its everything the israelites and the homosexuals in the left fear the most
they need to push in every story how he is a monster for doing so, how he is evil or 'abuse violence' to try to frame 'white guys fighting back' as a bad thing
A better question is how Judge Dredd avoided going through all this bullshit.
He's not part of the Marvel™ Cinematic Universe™ Nerd Community™ so nobody cares what Dredd is about.
Judge Dredd is overtly satirical comic strip where the judge system is repeatedly shown to be authoritarian fascist police state hellhole full of corruption where you get arrested for owning coffee and your privacy is violated by the judges on a regular basis when they just kick down the door to go through everything you own on a random check. And if you ever voice any opinion that is against judges they will arrest you and put your family under a watch list.
Nobody also in the UK is walking around wearing a Dredd helmet while on duty and in uniform.
>Nobody also in the UK is walking around wearing a Dredd helmet while on duty and in uniform
Instead they live in Megacity One without the satirical humor.
John Wick is a former assassin for criminals who is out for revenge for personal reasons and then has to survive when his actions have consequences. Frank is a serial killer.
>These same people love John Wick
John Wick doesn't have to beat Spider-Man and Thor to stay out of prison. John Wick also has a clear progression where he gets more and more beat up after he returns to the life, despite magic bullet-proof suits, instead of shrugging off gunshot wounds between issues. A Punisher movie set in his own universe with action scenes like John Wick would probably be pretty popular, if it wasn't just labelled a capeshit John Wick ripoff.
cause he does what needs to be done