Was it the lazy deus ex machina or the forced religious theme that was off-putting for sci-fi fans? A fair share of people loved it regardless. I guess if they made the people more cult like or religious in the first season it would have hardly been as much a surprise.
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You're a fricking moron.
Compelling argument. Consider me unshaken and not impressed by your lackey banter.
They basically made the same mistake that The Expanse made. People loved BSG when it was a fast-paced military sci-fi with a little bit of politics, but then a few seasons in, they slowed the pace way down and moved the focus of the show to character drama that the writers and most of the actors just weren't good enough to sell as an interesting basis for a story.
The Expanse was especially praised for politics during the early seasons. I'm not sure we were in the same timeline or reviews back then. I think it really was the mix that made it good. Yes military focus was really good with the MCRN and the "theft" of the Rocinante.
I think a ballsy move would have been to kill Adama after season 1. That way his line to Starbuck before she fled would have more meaning. But consider how the backstage actors were like when they "killed" starbuck, it sounds like the cast controlled the writing.
I read about how RDM wanted the original actor of Starbuck to come back as God in the opera house, and his writing room shot him down. My head cannon for the Cyclon God versus the Greek Gods was apparently way better and thought out than RDM's mythology for this series.
The first few seasons of Expanse were kino for the same reason the first few seasons season of BSG were kino - the creators knew how to walk the tightrope and balance the slow boil mystery box/big picture stuff with the weekly crises and political intrigue.
I honestly didn't even mind the ending that much. The show was really great right up until those last few episodes.
>A fair share of people loved it regardless.
as explicitly stated in the OP, I'm well aware it divided some of the fans, not all
people these days are too quick commenting rather than reading or replying to specific excerpts
I read your post, I was just giving my opinion. The reason people didn't like it is the same reason why people didn't like Game of Thrones's ending or a ton of other shows. BSG raised mysteries and questions that ot didn't satisfactorily answer for people about the final five, baltar, starbuck returning, etc. Deus ex machina like you said but there's no logical way those questions could have been answered once they were put in the story.
>I read your post, I was just giving my opinion
I respect that
>The reason people didn't like it is the same reason why people didn't like Game of Thrones's ending or a ton of other shows.
With GoT the books were not finished or not easy enough to comprehend for the masses. I fear they were afraid of feature creep and killed off many characters because of that. Soon they made Arya and Hound fillers because they were fan favourites.
> BSG raised mysteries and questions that ot didn't satisfactorily answer for people about the final five, baltar, starbuck returning, etc.
I'll be honest, I never watched the source material and original show. I just know they killed it off after 24 episodes due to costs.
>Deus ex machina like you said but there's no logical way those questions could have been answered once they were put in the story.
Well cloning is more accessible to most sci-fi fans than angels. Which we rarely interact directly with. From a religious standpoint God wouldn't even intervene every until the days of judgement. So even if you are a die hard zealous Christian, the shows ending is kind of awkward.
At some point it was just a coomer show with hot cylon mindsex.
>katee
I hope she slaps Ahsoka Tano's ass in the SW series as in the source material.
the coup episode was fantastic, i think a better ending would have been gaeta and the communist guy taking half the ships and fricking off somewhere would have made more sense than everyone voluntarily living in the stone ages.
that was the original plan before the writer's strike gave RDM more time to rethink the season
Everything up through the coup in S4 is pretty decent. No Exit to the end just gets fricking weirder and weirder.
The writers weren't smart enough for their own creation, they set up complex mysteries and plot twists and they didn't know how to get out of them, so they pulled out of their asses the most shallow explanation they could.
The problem with later seasons was that it became obvious that the writers hadn't thought very far ahead and started needing convoluted way to get out of corners they'd backed themselves into. The Cylons might have had a plan but the writers sure didn't.
writing was shit after the pilot episode.
they went from one pseudomistery to another, like fricking lost, oh here's some mysterious hatch and it sings in a tune that point us to the constellation of hairy ass. and in the end adama was probably the only one who still didn't identify as a cylon
Then you must have hated Gaius Baltar PhD
Third season sucked and was boring.
Kara Thrace went from fun and hot to annoying and c**ty. if I was adama I would have let the crew gang rail her and then space her and one eyes wiener sucka tigh
If the premise of your show is that the bad guys have a plan, and you're explicit about this, but you haven't figured out what the frick that plan is, you're going to have a problem trying to resolve anything.
Subjugation of the 12 colonies, annihilation of the human race and finding the 13th colony on Earth were quite clear. The irony was rather "no you are the cylons". And finding Earth as mere clones more or less fulfilled almost all goals of them. They sort of won.
not truly, they more or less create hybrids and some of the original humans remain.
they never fully achieve subjugation, nor was earth worth to be found. it's a fricking shithole in the series.
which is the real crime the show did commit. you just want to turn it all off and forget about it.
Were all women this hot and clothed in the 90s and early 2000s?
As someone else noted on another post, these horny photoshoots were very normal back in the day.
all I remember was all the backstory for Earth was told in like 3 minutes while my friend was busy loudly talking to his gf next to me on the couch.
>my friend was busy loudly talking to his gf next to me on the couch
Why are some friends like this? I'd be as defeated as you sound.
after he was done I turned to him and said "the whole series was building up to that explanation butthole and I don't have Tivo"
Kek sorry for laughing. Would have loved to see this live. I really wonder how long it took you to piece it all together after all. Yeah I've been there as well, when information wasn't as easily accessible as of today. There are really good series recaps with stills that obsess even over the smallest details.
If narration is good you find plenty of foreshadowing and Chekohov's guns.
>Would have loved to see this live.
As streams try to repush commercials you might get kino moments like this (skip to 2:18 for the kino)
The cuts in ad free streams already frick up my subtitle offsets enough. It's getting increasingly harder to enjoy series. That's kino and a burn moment.
frick, marry, kill
Is this recent? God she aged so gracefully. We all wish part of us was that candy bar, right?
it's from her youtube she did during the pandemic
she is also a top tier mommy in Mandalorian
>those subs
Anon, these clips will give me the most weird kinks. I'm glad she is staying in shape.
But why marry Trish Helfer?
>Subjugation of the 12 colonies, annihilation of the human race and finding the 13th colony on Earth were quite clear
Those are goals, not plans. The premise was that they had a plan. Instead, everyone just flails around like morons.
Frick I'm stupid. I get exactly what you originally tried to say. Sometimes I also confuse strategy and tactics. Which are either long term and short term.
The show was much better off leaving the Cylons as a silent, faceless evil that no one could figure out their movies at all. Revealing them to be b***hy quirky coffee drinking cosmopolitan buttholes in expensive business casual clothes really fricked up the mystique of the dread evil machine hordes that cannot be reasoned with or stopped.
Skinjobs should have never been the leadership at all, just the spies and nothing else.
I said it before and I will say it again. Right up until the Farm episode the series is perfect. After that, all believablity that the Cylon's were absolute evil and the humans can act rationally went out the window.
Up until that point every move by the Cylon's was made to kill humans, but were still curious about human mythology, the ancient gods, and whether Earth exists so they can kill more humans. After the Farm it was "muh reproduction, muh 7 model limit, muh oppression, muh discrimination by humans." Fricking please. Then Starbucks moronic love triangle. Helo's hard on for Boomer just because she bore him a kid, Then the final 5 moronic shit. But hey at least they opened the mysterybox at the end.
>Literally throwing a dart at the wall to decide who's a cylon next
>Boring soap opera drama for the sake of drama
>Aren't we so smart because we figured out how to say "frick" on network television?
>Gayass Ballsack has schizophrenic narcissism and nobody ever calls him on it
>Shaky cam galore
>Very little scifi action
Frick BSG and frick the people who ruined SG:U by turning it into nuBSG.
the series deserves to be shit on, but Gaius Baltar's character was the best re-imagining of the original series' main villain I have ever seen. His character does go to shit when he runs for president and becomes some sort of labor/religious leader/guru to a populace who still laps it up despite how many of their loved ones died.
I like the show still but you can feel when certain parts get bogged down like when gaius becomes a hippie or post-earth
S4E10 would’ve been the perfect ending. Just change it up a tiny bit to make it more of a conclusion
it was military science fiction that started airing after Stargate already got to their 6th or 7th season so they lost the plot and BSG filled that void
They write themselves so far into a corner that they had absolutely no way out. They just had to go for shock and adding more mystery on top of the mystery over and over again that we got
>Really lazy final 5 reveal
>That there had to be some amazing final 5 mystery at all is fricked up anyway
>Mysterious back from the dead Starbuck
>Earth is also a nuclear wasteland too, oh well
>Head Elosha is now god? what is this?
>mysterious ruins in space over and over again
They had no choice but to drop or ignore old mysteries and hope to god no one noticed. Like Starbuck's wrecked ship having a map to Earth again, or the hybrids trying to warn the humans that she will get them all killed. Or the final reveal that god did everything because he apparently hates capitalism? Why did the ruins on Kobol reveal modern Earth names for constellations? We only learn the history of the final 5 in a quick convo between two people.
>Like Starbuck's wrecked ship having a map to Earth again, or the hybrids trying to warn the humans that she will get them all killed.
This part pissed me off so much that I wasn't even capable of thinking a post mentioning it could tilt me as much.
What the frick was all of that? They made a whole two hour special that hammered the
>Starbuck is the harbinger of doom!
shit into the viewer's head every 5 minutes. Only to drop all of it and never bother with that again. That stuff would have really helped out that season 4 Starbuck wanting to guide humanity to Earth because she had a ringing inher head thing, or the coming back to life when Starbuck was very clearly dead. Why bother making a charred remains reveal at all if they were not going to go anywhere with it?
>Why bother making a charred remains reveal at all if they were not going to go anywhere with it?
Stockholm syndrome of the writers as they realized they killed the show with her death. Then they tried to pretend there was a higher reasoning for it. I'm not sure they even knew what they were doing.
>Gayass Ballsack has schizophrenic narcissism and nobody ever calls him on it
Much like how this guy's plot armour was too thick despite being a saboteur and cringelord.
she did bring them to their end though, the human race eventually died out with the mingling of humans and Cylons
>Head Elosha is now god? what is this?
I reallly thought they were going somewhere with the head people thing. Especially that one episode where Elosha kept appearing each time they jumped.
I expected some kind of 40K style reveal, that jumping either took them through a dimension of the dead, or some higher plane and the aliens existing there took the form of dead people to communicate, something to explain where weird hallucination shit going on.
>decide to rewatch after 15 years
>suddenly thread pops up on Cinemaphile
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
It's all solipsism anon, you dreamed your current universe up and we are just actors of your fantasy. Rest easy for we cannot harm you.
I fracking knew it!
>hot launch during atmospheric re-entry
Fricking madlad!
high watermark of the show
this and Pegasus comming to the rescue are really great
not sure if I should continue my rewatch
Writers kept changing their minds throughout the series on what was going on and who was actually evil and who was a cylon or not. It's most obvious with Head 6. She goes from evil projection that forces Baltar to do bad shit against the humans, kicks his ass if he refuses, tries to get them to not blow up the resurrection ship, and is clearly on the Cylon side and there to make Baltar continue being a Cylon asset. Then she changes, acts neutral, helps Baltar kill some Cylons, then she is some mysterious third party helping to bring the Cylons and humans together because she actually wanted to end the war forever.
From the time they go to Kobol to the first Earth episode reveal, it was clear the writers wanted this to be in the far future and the Colonists are originally from Earth in a repeating cycle of war and flying to a new planet.
The finale is really just a series of asspulls and dropping old plot points, then the writers having painted themselves so firmly into a corner that they had to just out and out declare
>God did it!
because they just plain had no other options.
What an overrated dogshit show. Sat through the entire thing a few years ago, waiting for it to get good and it never does. It gets worse.