It's a no-brainer. They fit the formula so well!
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The Robins should have their own TMNT style cartoon
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Dreamcast the VAs.
Dove for Steph.
Josh Keaton as Dick
Nolan North (doing his Raph voice) as Jason
Ryan Potter or Nicholas Cantu as Tim
Ashly Burch as Steph
An unknown 10 year old for Damian
>(doing his Raph voice) as Jason
Solid.
that's actually weirdly solid voice cast
I'll have to look up some voice clips. BRB.
I know she's not that popular, but I'd love it if she was a reoccurring character
>Nolan North as Redhood
Perfect casting.
So time displacement, parallel universe, or a modern version?
I'm thinking parallel universe, but she's around Dick and Jason's age.
>another redhead
Just what they need.
>Dick has Babs and sometimes Helena
>Steph has Cass
>Tim and Bernard
>Damian has Maps
Make parallel universe Carrie Jason's gf so all the Robins have their batfamily wienersleeves
Frick off Grant, precrisis Jason dyed his hair black because he wanted to
What if he dyed his hair before he dyed it black and we just never have seen his real hair color.
She gets remembered for being the first female Robin, but only really exists in an AU future, kinda like Terry.
The batfamily is too bloated for her to show up.
Loren Lester as Nightwing
Jensen Ackles as Jason Todd
Jesse McCartney as Tim Drake
Mae Whitmam as Stephanie Vrown
Jack Griffo as Damian Wayne
>Jesse McCartney Dick
>Jensen Ackles Jason
>Ashley Johnson Steph
No clue for Tim or Damian
Johnson Steph
hell yeah
Keep Craig Cipes the frick away from it. The va's would probably be dudes nobody's heard of to go along with James Marsden and whoever voiced TT Robin.
they've already been flanderized enough
Timgay fingers wrote this post. Nobody else thinks TMNTing the Robins makes sense.
>Grayson fans don't want this. Dick is the only Robin that matters in 90% of all Batman adaptations. The TMNT format hurts him the most.
>Todd fans don't want this. Red Hood is interesting in contrast with Batman or as an anti-hero with his dark trinity Outlaws team. This just makes him the impotently edgy butthole with rubber bullets and crowbars.
>Damian fans don't want this. Damian is Robin in almost every modern cartoon. He has plenty of representation.
It's Timgays. The other three Robins can hold the idiot ball so Tim can be "the smartest Robin" and try to reclaim some relevance.
Tim is already relevant because he's the gay one.
dead meme. He's bisexual.
>NOOO HE'S GAYYY
cry
Bisexuals are even gayer than gays. The bisexuals are the biggest homosexuals.
Can confirm. I'm bisexual and an enormous homosexual.
It's not really just Timgays but mostly batfamilygays that put 95% of their focus on the Robins because they want to frick them. The last 5% is Bruce as a happy fuzzy dad, Babs as Dick's gf and disabled rep, Cass as asian rep, and Steph as Cass' gf, and if you're a non batfamily character you end up just being relegated to being really OOC friends of the Robins or just not existing.
They're overall very fascinating fandom creatures who make the Robins into something they're not and then brush off other people suggesting characters are already what they're making the Robins eg Jason basically being pre new 52 Helena and Mia.
Oh lord the elaborate headcanons about The Robins like they're the Cullens from Twilight and not new jersey frickheads.
Its weird because about a decade ago the robin fandom was 90% just generic slash fangirls who wanted them to frick. At some point there was a massive shift and now the Batfamily a more loving Brady Bunch and twitter thinks shipping them is worse than rape.
I'm a Timgay and I don't fricking want this. I don't think "the Robins" should even exist as a unit. What's the fricking point of aging out of the mantle if you just keep getting wedged back in?
To me it's not really about representation, but more like they fit the archetypes
Grayson is the leader, Todd is the brash angry one, Tim does computers, and Steph is the clown
Steph was Robin for like half an hour, she's lucky that it still technically counts, even if DC decided it didn't count when the New 52 came around.
Still better than Duke lmao, Signal was supposed to be "better" than being a Robin, but all it did was give DC and fans an excuse to exclude him from all the Robins content, very unintentionally based from them.
I do wonder if some kids will grow up with Duke as THEIR Robin because they saw the Batwheels cartoon.
>I do wonder if some kids will grow up with Duke as THEIR Robin because they saw the Batwheels cartoon.
We'll probably see a legit push for Duke's Robin status in a few years if that's the case. Though I kinda like his dayshift niche. We need more bright sunny Duke cases where he drags in a sleepy batfamily member in for help at high noon.
>We need more bright sunny Duke cases where he drags in a sleepy batfamily member in for help at high noon.
Ew, no.
That could work with the younger heroes. A Batman Family/Gotham Knights book that focused on Duke, Steph, Tim, and Cass could be fun. It'd give the Wayne Family Adventures fricks a place for their corny happy family shit to play out, and it'd work as a containment book for the characters nobody knows what to do with.
Duke works days. Cass works nights. Tim and Steph are both making another attempt at college, but suit up when they can.
They all live together.
>The minorities are NEETs
>The white kids are going to college
might need to be workshopped.
Trying to shove Duke into the Tim/Steph/Cass dynamic doesn't work. People who are fans of the later generally don't care about the former. He also has no real personality.
Duke and Cass became friends in the Hill Detective Comics run and Outsiders book. Their dynamic worked fine. I wouldn't say Duke has no personality, just that it's changed dramatically from Snyder to Bermejo to King to Hill.
I'm more concerned about Tim. Besides being the One True Robin™ he doesn't have anything going for him anymore.
He's the gay one.
Yes that's what's going against him. What's going to make people care, though? What's his hook?
I liked Tim when he was sidekick Spider-Man, balancing his personal life with his dad and Dana and Ives and school with his time as Robin working with Batman and Nightwing and Oracle. I liked Adrianna and Spoiler as his MJ and Black Cat. Tim used to be the grounded and realistic one. His life as Tim Drake used to be mean more to him than his life as Robin. If he could work to recapture that it'd be great.
>Spoiler and Kon absolutely mogging Bernard
Damn
>Duke and Cass became friends in the Hill Detective Comics run and Outsiders book. Their dynamic worked fine. I wouldn't say Duke has no personality
Hills book sucked and Duke stealing screen time was one of the main reasons. You could replace with a literal plank and story would've been the same
>Duke stealing screen time was one of the main reasons. You could replace with a literal plank and story would've been the same
That not true
Tim's already the most relevant Robin since he's a wienersucker.
I was about to post this. Also like I said in the last thread Tim should disappear for a few years.
I don't think they necessarily mean "give the Robins the personalities of the TMNTs", as it's been said multiple times, it doesn't work perfectly.
I think they just meant "have a cartoon where they're a team of brothers like the TMNT", which makes complete sense to me.
>I think they just meant "have a cartoon where they're a team of brothers like the TMNT", which makes complete sense to me.
Ah. Okay. THAT makes more sense.
It would except posters like
are the casuals who get to write the books
i have a feeling they phrased it the way they did on purpose, in order to start an argument
90% of tumblr has been making comics and posts as if it were already a thing when he reality is that pre 2010 the Robins rarely worked together
It’s really funny because they weren’t even family outside of technicality for the longest time and weren’t close at all.
Eh
I love how they're all like, "Tim, that's the gayest thing you could've said."
>Shoot me now. Please.
Poor guy
Time for limbo lines jamaican rules
They definitely say that twice a week at minimum.
NOBODY CARES
It'll never catch on. Just give up.
literal who are you?
>tfw no death battle of the turtles vs robins
What's the point the turtles would wipe the floor with them
Nightwing would solo the turtles.
Tim could solo the turtles.
Hot
The turtles kill people and are basically training all the time. There is no way any of the Robins are beating them.
Give Jason live rounds and they won't stand a chance.
He's saying Tim would satisfy them sexually.
in a fight, right?
Power levels are largely contingent on popularity and the turtles are far more popular. None of the Robins would stand a chance.
That makes no sense
>the turtles are far more popular
You realize this isn't the 1980s right?
Nope
What’s with the long ass hair. Why can’t they be masculine?
>dramatic whiny b***h
No.
>Natural black hair
Is this more to your liking?
Yeah, blond works too
Having such shit taste doesn't make you special, bub.
Jason's natural black hair.
I liked the redhead idea
It helped with the idea of him being the odd man out of the group
Not another carbon copy of bruce
Yeah why did he only get kids with black hair
Jason's hair IS naturally black, we've been over this.
At most you could say he dyes his stupid white streak sometimes, considering it appears and disappears depending on the artist.
Headcanon is that he went back to dying it and unless they acknowledge it in-universe, which they never will, he's still a redhead.
I mean, originally he dyed his hair when he was Robin, but that didn't matter cause post-Crisis made him naturally black-haired.
But then Morrison made him a ginger and retconned it by saying Bruce forced him to do it, and everyone hated it.
Then since the New 52, he's seemingly been back to natural black, would be weird for him to dye his hair again, specially after Morrison established he was going bald exactly because of that.
And we've even seen flashbacks of him as a kid pre-Robin, when it REALLY wouldn't make sense for him to dye his hair, not even just cause he's not Robin yet, but also cause he's poor.
And of course, they'll never actually straight up acknowledge Jason's natural black hair, but they also probably won't ever acknowledge Dick's or Tim's or Damian's natural black hair, you know?
That was retconned like twice. Now he always has had black hair as a kid.
>At most you could say he dyes his stupid white streak sometimes
That's actually my headcanon thanks to this little exchange in Future State.
Pretty sure that's meant to imply that he dyes his hair black to either get rid of the white streak, or the ginger hair he has sometimes.
>he dyes his hair black to get rid of the white streak
Yeah, that's what I meant, he dyes his white streak black.
>the ginger hair he has sometimes.
The New 52 made him naturally black haired again, luckily we haven't seen red-haired Jason again since pre-Flashpoint.
I like the idea that the white streak is dyed
As far as I can tell the idea that the white streak came with the Lazarus pit, before being canonized by Morrison(briefly), was fanon that it came from the crowbar damaging his hair follicles, or the lazarus pit.Which seems like a misunderstanding that R'as' white streaks came from the pit instead of just graying temples.
Physical deformation nobody knows what was the exact cause of fits the character pretty well. I mean, whoever was present at his revival would know I guess.
Maybe he’s also just old and his aging is localized entirely in that one streak of hair
I know Jason is sometimes drawn like a divorced 53 year old dad but I assure you he's not that much older than Tim lol
How long did they have him for anyways. A year? And then he dies for who knows how long. He’d be in his twenties right?
It's vague because his post-crisis debut is seemingly meant to be a few years before "current" times. So he's 10-12 there, and he dies at age 15. so 3-5 years, most likely closer to 3 since those years would have to overlap with Dick becoming Nightwing around 18, and he didn't age that much in the Titans books through the 80's.
Cass was a few months older as stated directly in one issue, and she was 19 before War Games.
Comes back shortly after WG, then OYL.
post New52 continuity is screwy but it's been about a few years since. So 20's, no older than mid 20's.
After Jason's death they just pegged his time as Robin to Dick's timeline. Unfortunately that meant Jason only got a year as Robin. Dick became Nightwing at 19, turned 20 right before Jason died, and turned 21 around when Tim was introduced.
A year is like nothing compared to how long the others have been around. He really should’ve just gotten another homeless kid and named him Jason and never mentioned it again.
Well... yeah?
Dick was Robin for 44 years.
Tim has been (Red) Robin for 35 years.
Damian has been Robin for 15 years.
Jason was Robin for 5.
WORST son
This comment tingles my unhinged theory generator:
In the near future, Jason will be turned into an unaging immortal due to space-time shenanigans. It is made so that not only will he be thousands of years old at some point, he will have always been thousands of years since his emergence out of the pit. This incident will turn that streak of hair white, and it will do this retroactively, so that streak of hair will have always been white ever since the pit.
The quantum nature of this white streak is due to uncertainty in the expected future.
>hairlet detected
I just think they all look a little gay is all. None of them have a masculine personality so the hair is too much.
Methinks anon is projecting
Dick was at peak masculinity when he had long hair.
Motherfricker, Dick's tenure as Nightwing started out with him rocking a mullet.
Wasn't there a cartoon pitch that literally attempted this?
Wasn't it literally Wayne Family Adventures?
Remember anything else about it?
>Wasn't there a cartoon pitch that literally attempted this?
No but there was Batman/TMNT movies.
That was a general Bat-Family series, but it did have all the Robins and described TMNT as part of the inspiration.
There’s too many. The real question is which one should be killed off for good?
Michelangelo obviously
He died February 18th, 1564
All of them. Robingays are so annoying.
Yes, except replace Tim and Steph with Barbara
Tim and all the female robins. Robin is for men. Dick is the lighthearted jokester, Jason is the angry edgelord, and Damien is the snobbish butthole. Tim has no personality beyond being a homo.
>Dick is the lighthearted jokester
You're already doing it wrong.
>Dick is the lighthearted jokester, Jason is the angry edgelord, and Damien is the snobbish butthole.
Why do Robingays love making the characters one-dimensional so much?
>Dick
butthole
>Jason
Edgy butthole
>Tim
Gay butthole
>Damian
Redundant edgy butthole
Why can’t they be nice
Literally the only person who actually understands their personalities.
Maybe this guy too.
Because they're not. You really think Nightwing is a lighthearted jokester?
Was this after or before Roy called Donna a prostitute?
This was published a few years before Donna got BTFO for whoring around in space with Kyle Rayner instead of fighting to keep her son in the divorce.
Dick's superpower is people liking him. not because of natural charisma, which as a comic book team leader he would have zero of, but because people magically forget the times he fricks up big.
Like The Judas Contract? Way to not do any background checks DICK.
Titans writing is always so corny and overwrought. Always find it funny when people use it as a gotcha for how these characters "should" be.
1. This wasn't Titans .
2. The New Teen Titans is the book that gave Dick Grayson an actual personality. Complaining about his portrayal in that book is like complaining about Denny O'Neil's Batman. At some point you need to ask yourself, do you even like the character?
Actually no I don't think I do.
>Dick
>butthole
Freudian slip, much?
Why is Cinemaphile retroactively trying to pretend Tim had nothing going on? He was the average kid for after-school nonsense. What made him special was that he wasn't, he was just a teenager.
>retroactively
because they didn't start reading until 2011.
All of the Robins are much more interesting apart.
Unless there is a continuity reset and Jack Drake lives again they should just kill Tim, they stripped away everything that made him special. Jason is also 90% of the way to being as stripped down as Tim.
Damian is more interesting as a foil to Dick than he is by himself or with his father.
Doesn't mean he can only ever work in that role, Damian has had good stories all on his own, and is generally such an assertive character that pairing him with pretty much anyone will make for an interesting dynamic.
That's great. Did you read the post I was replying to?
All of them but my favorite.
Even the homosexual?
Tim, he brings nothing to the table and he's a homosexual now.
No. Frick you. Frick you deep in your homosexual ass, you fricking idiot. I bet you liked We Are Robin, too. You FREAK!
I can't imagine a more boring concept than that.
The Robins were only supposed to get together at one of their own funerals.
Why can’t one of them die permanently. There’s no way people care about each one that much. Surely one of them would be better off dead.
We can't kill Tim anymore, anon. It's joever.
>Why can’t one of them die permanently.
or two
Who would you pick and why
Jason, because the only other logical conclusion to his story is becoming Batman and Tim because he's a homosexual.
I still don’t get why they brought him back
Dick and Damian stay. The first and the current.
Jason doesn't die, he just becomes a proper villain again.
Tim because he's the least popular and he's been off the rails for 21 years.
Because they are all too popular to kill off. Steph is the least popular one by far and she still has a bigger fanbase than 99% of DC characters.
What about Carrie? No love for Carrie Kelley?
She only ever interacted with an older, bitter Dick Grayson, so it's hard to gauge just how she'd interact with everyone
Exactly why I'd want her in this sort of thing. I get that she's not exactly canon because Miller but I'd like to see how they'd fit her into something like this.
Did you not watch the Gotham Knights show?
Gotham Knights TV show Carrie was barely Carrie, and I don't just mean for the reason people would say. Her personality and attitude and backstory was totally different. Her mom was nothing like her parents in the comics(in fact they gave her mom Steph's mom's job). Plus by nature of that series she didn't interact with any of the guys and barely interacted with steph.
Just keep Tim Drake out and I'm on board. Not a family friendly character.
Frick that, I want a No Man's Land show.
To think all it took was a single exec saying it was "too violent" for the pitch to be rejected.
This could've been a great cartoon to pick up. It's a setting they haven't explored in Batman animation (beyond that godawful "arc" in the Harley Quinn cartoon), it stars a veteran Batman instead of doing a "young Batman" yet again, it has the Bat-Family established from the get-go. I guess the only positive is that WB would've forced it to be CGI like Beware the Batman and Green Lantern: TAS, and it would've suffered from that.
We need a post apocalypse batman cartoon, where him and some of his villains are now wasteland warlords, fighting to find a terra forming macguffin (poison ivys corpse), Gotham wasteland with all its bullshit chemicals would create radiation mutants, zombies, killer plants, hell they could even have robots by saying the bat computer ai went crazy and decided to wage war with an army of batbots.
>they could even have robots by saying the bat computer ai went crazy and decided to wage war with an army of batbots.
Like in Kingdom Come? The AI can be Brother Eye.
Yeah brother eye could work, some sorta emp damaged the facility he's in and caused his programming to become even more corrupted, it got the point that he forgot how to make omacs, but he still can make robots.
Need a Kill All Robins game instead of kill the justicie league. just joker with a crowbar bashing their fricking brains in Manhunt style for 40 hours.
>ow the edge
The funny thing is even if he did that he’d get away with it
Damian is getting a Black Label book with three other robins. Maybe that’ll be a cartoon at some point
Why does everyone hate Tim?
I like him well enough, it's just I dislike his abrupt dumping of Steph to turn gay.
Is he just gay forever now?
Once you've been turned gay, it'll never be undone. Just look at Alan Scott.
Maybe it’s just a phase
>Maybe it’s just a phase
I don't know how Bats feels about homosexuals, but that THIS Batman ships Tim with Stephanie was a bit of a red flag.
They don't have the cleanest relationship, but Bruce does like Steph in his own way.
Hell he told her Tim's identity and told her where he was living and had her pop in in the middle of the night.
Forget the phase, what the frick is he on about with destiny? Did he read her wiki page or something?
Aside from the comic being a strawman, Mickey prefers things how they used to be. Guess the in-story reason is that he ships TimSteph.
From 2003 to 2009 DC tried to erase Dick, put Tim into his place, and say that Tim was better in every way.
I've hated Tim on general principle ever since.
As a Tim fan, I hared that Tim too. More than you, even.
Tim up until 2003 was a decent character, did his job well, and was unique enough in the batfam as the relatable down to earth one. Everything after it is a disaster.
2003-2011 was DC tearing him down via killing his dad, best friend, and girlfriend within 2 years of each other and making him the ultimate Robin ie Batman Jr. He became super paranoid and an butthole and his Red Robin book ended up being Dick's early to mid 80s character development on speed because it ended with Tim totally isn't Batman... because he has friends!
Then new 52 hit and he's just relegated to the Robin of the Teen Titans franchise (and TT on its own hasn't been good in years) and Lobdell had Tim literally not even being Tim. Tim Drake was just the name witness protection gave him before Batman adopted him (yes, Batman, not Bruce), and "Tim" was an unparalleled olympic athlete before becoming a superhero.
2016 onward is DC desperately trying to fix him but it didn't work so they just made him bi in an attempt to make him unique again as he's the only male lgbt person in the batfamily, all the others are women.
>Lobdell had Tim literally not even being Tim.
What's weird is the Lobdell did it fricking twice in the same book.
Bart wasn't actually Bart, he was a time traveling terrorist named Bar Torr.
Tim did what Miles Morales does now, meaning geting fellated by everyone, getting shoehorned in everything, creators and people in universe saying he's better than his predecesors, etc.
later after the wank tour stopped, Dick became the hyper competent hot as frick leader that is cheerful and everyone likes, Jason became the misunderstood, traumtatized, edgy pragmatic alternative to Batman, Damian became the little shit, biological tsundere son that learns to be good and become normal after a life of being groomed as an assasin.
that leaves Tim, since he doesn't have anything other than having a Civie life becoming Robin, they decided to dumb everyone else around him to make him "the smart one", that is lame as frick, also he became a homosexual, meaning he lost steph who was pretty much his support character and a romance people are invested in, and to top it all of he didn't get paired with superboy, so not even fujogays won
now he is in a limbo where his minis about sucking wiener flop while every other robin only rise in popularity
The thing I hate about fictional homosexuals is that either
A) homosexualry is the most interesting thing about them or
B) homosexualry is played off as a personality trait.
Tim falls into the former. He's utterly fricking boring. He's the anthropomorphic personification of Nebraska.
I wouldn't mind gay characters in media if they weren't usually so fricking boring.
This thread is the prime example of Tim Derangement Syndrome
What
the fact that everyone can agree Tim serves no porpuse and nobody actually cares about him or has done so for the last 10 years isn't really a win Timbro
Have any of these characters except Damian had anything really good or interesting happen to them in the last 10 years? And Damian was going through the same arc for most of that.
Dick had Grayson, which seems like the only real decent thing people all agreed was at least solid.
Jason being on the Outlaws was completely pointless in the long run. Artemis can never be a long term love interest, and when it was Roy and Kory, he was the one taking Dick's leftovers.
pointing out her trash the majority of DC characters have been in the decade undermines the shitposting
Nightwing has had cool moments. Small moments, but cool.
There is a difference about having something to do and people caring.
Dick is getting pushed into lead status, the dark crisis was one massive push for him, also his recent run has him actually fixing Bludhaven with suposedly lasting impact, he's arguably B+ lister on the vergel of A-lister, his comics do sell.
Jason has have a bunch of different takes on his Journey, from antiheroing to slowly reforming and relapsing, taskforce Z, the outlaws, dark trinity, also Jason has massive normie appeal.
In pretty sure Damian has have things to do, from being the main robin to finding himself, getting a gf, supersons and the like, he had his time in the normie spothlight with the animated movies, will get pushed in live action movies and him being the biological son will always be a safety net.
Tim on the other hand has no one vouching for him, not the writters, not the fans, the most relevant you can say is that he was the Titans hell robin, the moron drake thing and him being gay
Then give him an identity of his own separate from being Robin. Problem solved. Dick grew up to become Nightwing so give Tim the same opportunity to move on.
Easier said than done, Dick and Jason took names from Superman and the Joker, two men that truly affected them, two men that AREN'T Batman, one could even say they're his opposites in different ways, Tim doesn't really have anyone like that that he could easily steal an identity from.
But he doesn't have to take on a legacy name, fine, he could just do something else, and he sure has tried with Red Robin and Drake, and we all know how those ended up.
Dixon set up Blue Beetle, the editors fricked it up.
And that's a good thing, Jaime is the superior Beetle legacy, and I wouldn't want the identity to become Batman adjacent.
>not the writters
Tynion, Bendis and Zdarsky are mega timgays and it shows. Tynion and Zdarsky especially, as all their stories are just everyone holding the idiot ball to dickride Tim as the perfect Robin
Don't forget Fitzmartin, everyone's favorite writer.
Gay Tim aside, Fitzmartin was the first writer since Dixon to get his personality right in one of his solo books
Who made him gay?
Fitzmartin did, in Batman Urban Legends.
In this day and age no way to undo this is there? Do people even like this guy?
Really? I've only heard bad things about her run.
Of course, because it was mostly bad. And people were upset she'd made Tim gay. But I've been calling Tim a gay since Johns' 03TT. Once you get past the art and the obsession with Bernard, it's not all bad.
Tim cared about being Tim Drake, and wanted to maintain a normal life again.
Tim found joy in solving mysteries again, it wasn't a compulsion for him to go out and fight crime every night like it is for Bruce and Dick.
You saw into his analytical mind, Fitzmartin was very focused on showing his thought process.
Tim had his trademark insecurities and self-doubt back without going into darker thoughts. No more suicide hotline numbers posted at the end of this boy's books.
Ever since Dixon left it felt like Tim's personality was getting worse and worse, ending with butthole batgod jr Tim between IC and Flashpoint. Lobdell did his own thing. Then when Tynion revamped Tim in Rebirth he brought back the Red Robin style Tim.
This is the first book in 20 years to feel like the Tim Drake of the 90s.
Pretty sure it's one guy samegayging a lot.
More than one guy, but it really does come off that way. Doesn't help that Tim's been shit since pretty much ID Crisis and keeps getting worse with every new "fix". Now that he's the gay Robin, he's basically unsalvageable.
It's sad, because he was the Robin I grew up with and a lot of his old stories were good.
Tim is just the designated punching bag, shitting on him isn't exactly an unpopular thing to do.
Isn't Dick viewed as a gay icon with a huge gay fanbase?
Dick has a huge fanbase in general, Tim's fanbase is usually women or gays.
>Tim's fanbase is usually women or gays
That's how it is for all of them except for Jason. Jason is the only one with any mainstream appeal among straight men.
and that appeal is pounding Dick's plump ass to establish dominance
Jason's fanbase is unironically way gayer.
You have dudes who really obsess over the UTRH movie and the fact that "he kills!"
And on the deeper level, people who relate to Jason because "bro I was poor growing up too I'm just like him!"
Jason is the tortured bad boy women want to fix/make worse/frick in the ass.
>Tim is a fun character from the 90s to early 2000s with a rough patch thereafter and is now a gay
>I’m supposed to pretend he was always bad and hate him
I hate that I can’t even have conversations about my favorite Robin on Cinemaphile
>decade long rough patch
Sometimes you have to let go
Spider-man's had it worse for longer.
Tim Drake is not Spider-Man.
Tim has been shit for longer than he's been good. Kill the b***h.
He’s been good?
1989 to 2002 was great.
The irony is that 90% of Robin in comics is Tim. Whereas Dick grew up and Jason died and came back wrong, Tim never had the initiative to leave the nest and instead was just replaced by Damian. If anything they should have had Tim quit the business and seemingly go underground and eventually resurface in an Oracle like role.
>Tim never had the initiative to leave the nest
>Tim is the bestest Robin which is why he had the first solo Robin title, he's the one who made Robin into a real hero instead of a lowly sidekick
>Tim is meant to be a sidekick, not solo
Pick one. Other than his brief early training period, Tim was the most independent Robin out of all the Robins.
Tim has always felt comfortable running around without Batman, using Robin resources for his own separate thing. Dick had to get shipped off to college for Batman to go solo, the last few decades establish his Robin days as being attached to Batman's hip. Jason was killed off for being too clingy. Damian gets punted away from Batman and most of his story arcs ever since are heavily based in how he feels damaged and wronged by that.
Zdarsky loves Saint Tim. Goes on and on and on about how he's the one true Robin, dedicated his entire childhood to faithfully tend to Bruce... instead of running around by himself like a radical 90s skater teen with girlfriends, solo adventures, long trips to SF with his team of friends, some home and school life, and an all round busy social schedule while Bruce was largely indepdendent.
Some Robins actually play a role as characters in the story and themes of the best-selling Batman comics, cartoons, video games, and movies.
Every time a Timgay brags about Tim being in good Batman books, it's because Tim happened to make a mandatory Robin appearance in a story that would've been as good or better without him. Tim absolutely peaked in David's Young Justice.
Dick is the favorite. It's not even close, never will be close.
Bruce obviously hates Jason the most. But Jason is Bruce's son in dynamic more than any of the others.
Yeah.
>But Jason is Bruce's son in dynamic more than any of the others.
Doesn’t he get him killed
Ya. Because Jason is his son.
Bruce knew should've gotten rid of Jason. His mission is his life, and he knew Jason had no place anywhere near his mission. But he couldn't face it because Jason was his kid. Real tragic.
The smart thing to do would be to disown him so he can get stab him again without feeling bad about it.
Robin had a regular solo feature in the 40s and 50s. He lost it in the 60s, but got it back in the 70s.
Yeah Dick did have solo adventures, and he had the Teen Titans. But he went home to every evening to live as Bruce's ward. Robin was a main character in Batman, Tec, and World's Finest until he was shipped to college and Batman went solo. Bruce and Dick are linked together.
Tim isn't a main character in Batman's adventures. He doesn't define, shape, or challenge the world of Batman. Timfans say Tim is the perfect Robin because he doesn't cause any disruption, and that's exactly why he doesn't matter compared to the other Robins. Tim's solo and his Young Justice team are where he actually matters.
All true. But saying Dick had to go to college to go solo is still incorrect.
Dick was sent to college for Batman to go solo.
Because Dick was a fixture of Batman comics, he needed to be actively removed. Even then, Dick is expected to regularly return.
Tim was never such a fixture of Batman comics. For him to not be at Batman's side, there doesn't need to be an effort to remove him. He can live in the same town and still be irrelevant. Tim isn't the fixture that Batman turns to, Batman isn't the fixture that Tim turns to.
Jason could've easily been made irrelevant. They've tried to say he was Robin for less than a year, he was never truly family, nobody liked him, he had no skills, he was more burden than help, he was going to die anyway so it was no loss, yada yada yada.
Dick, Cass, Tim are pure good in human form, the perfect heroes in Batman's mission. Damian is a born genius warrior and future of the Wayne bloodline. They're valuable to Bruce by being extraordinary.
And yet Jason lives in Bruce's mind rent-free, sometimes more than the others. The obvious explanation is that Bruce has more unconditional love for him than for anyone else.
>And yet Jason lives in Bruce's mind rent-free, sometimes more than the others. The obvious explanation is that Bruce has more unconditional love for him than for anyone else.
Eh. Yeah, I can see it. THough it could also be guilt for Jason being his greatest failure.
>Damian is the future of the Wayne bloodline
lol
Terry doesn't and shouldn't exist in this universe
He will. Bruce just needs to frick Barbara to get the dominoes falling.
Frick off Timm.
>Dick is the favorite. It's not even close, never will be close.
>Bruce obviously hates Jason the most. But Jason is Bruce's son in dynamic more than any of the others.
Jason is Bruce's soft spot, thats why it hurts him the most he's a frick up, there are stories about how the thing Bruce wants the most aside from his parents is to kill the Joker and make things right with Jason or how both cheerish a memory of watching Zorro in the house theater,
There is an argument there about him being the favorite, its either Him or Dick
It's just Dick.
Never forget that Dick was suppose to die in Infinite Crisis and Jason was suppose take over as Nightwing. The whole "redoing my original training" was suppose to be him "getting it right this time" with Jason.
Would’ve made people hate jason
Don’t most people already hate him?
This was his last appearance before Infinite Crisis. Editorial made the right call, because they knew that people would have been so angry about Dick's death that they would NOT have accepted Jason. Also, editorial was too cowardly to say that Jason died in the explosion Joker set off, because that would mean that Batman would have to deal with the fact that he let Jason die twice. So Jason came back and has been a fricking husk of a concept ever since.
>zero hesitation or remorse kills his own son instead of letting him kill the man who murdered him
>leaves his body to get blown up
>again
>never mention or think of him again
Harsh. Not sure if justified. Why and how did he even come back?
He's the most popular of all the Robins. Maybe comicgays don't like him but Jason is the only one with significant mainstream appeal.
there is no world where Jason is more popular than Dick
Maybe to the dozen or people that read comics Dick is more popular but to normal people that don't read that shit, Jason is.
He has more mainstream appearances but Jason's have been more far more impactful and well-liked.
No mainstream appearances of Damian have ever been popular
Not really but the bar for capeshit related media is so low that it was a masterpiece compared to almost everything else.
>Not really but the bar for capeshit related media is so low that it was a masterpiece compared to almost everything else.
I did find it weird that it was rereleased with new scenes as a Choose Your Own Adventure story.
anon you're getting up in years, the movie was 14, nearly 15 years ago, besides that all Jason has is what, an appearance in Injustice? lol.
Delusional take. Dick is the most mainstream Robin by a huge margin.
>. Maybe comicgays don't like him but Jason is the only one with significant mainstream appeal.
Every year as they do nothing with the surprising success of the UTRH DTV it becomes less though. The dudebros who saw that movie when they were 18 and thought it was the coolest shit ever are now 14 years older and aging out of the holy 18-35 bracket for cape media. There's obviously some newer fans too , but Damian is quickly replacing him in public perception.
>the surprising success of the UTRH DTV
Was it actually good?
He’s easily the worst one. They just took a dead forgotten character and turned him into a shitty edgelord like three times with moronic motives and a genuinely confusing story. no way in hell he’s even the third most popular he has zero appeal
>he has zero appeal
Speak for yourself, autist. Normal people like him. Only autistic manchildren prefer the lame ass superhero shit.
Jason's just a regular Action Hero. The type of character that wouldn't be out of place in 80s-00s movies.
What exactly is likable about some botched shitty bad boy character with especially nonsensical writing if you aren’t an edgelord or a women? If anything his entire character was unnecessary and amounted to nothing. Oh wow the character who would’ve ended up dead or an edgy criminal ended up dead and an edgy criminal. He made an awful sidekick and an even worse antagonist antihero. He was only good when he was dead and forgotten.
He's not even that fricking edgy. Dude's less edgy than fricking Deathstroke. What is your damage with him?
A character apparently randomly becoming an edgy sarcastic edgelord is somehow an awesome unique thing people will just eat up because it’s cool? He’s like his DAD but with GUNS and a duffel bag full of SEVERED HEADS. No this doesn’t make any sense and no we aren’t going to make it make any sense. Enjoy this new shittier character with the old shit ones name slapped on it.
>the character who would’ve ended up dead or an edgy criminal ended up dead and an edgy criminal
Pre-Crisis he didn't even have that much, because he was just a shameless copy of Dick, right down to having the same origin story. Making him a street kid is what differentiated him from being ginger-Dick, and he really wasn't as bad back then as a lot of people think. Most of his edge came after getting revived.
>Only autistic manchildren prefer the lame ass superhero shit.
Unfortunately for you, he is from a superhero universe and his backstory hinges on him being a happy-go-lucky superhero kid.
Don’t they always say he was always an angry reckless kid and that’s why he died now. That he was actually really bad at being a hero.
Because most writers don't actually read old comics. Starlin was the only writer who wrote him as reckless in the leadup to his ploy to get him written off. That became the version everyone references, but even then Jason wasn't entirely reckless, his downfall was being surprised his mom was working with the Joker.
He wasn't consistently written, but generally everyone else wrote Jason as a good matured, warm hearted kid who was competent at being a hero and saved Batman a few times.
That always pissed me off. He was a good kid if not a bit clingy and reckless. That’s part of what made him dying sad because it wasn’t entirely his fault. He couldn’t have known his only living family would have betrayed him. He was still just a kid.
he should have listened
He didn’t know his mom worked for him and was willing to sell him out until it was too late. Can hardly blame a kid wanting to see his mom.
This. Comicgays need to realize that comics have virtually zero impact on a character's mass appeal. Maybe in the 50's it did but today films, television and video games (i.e stuff that normal people enjoy) ultimately determine a character's success, even if deviates significantly from the source material.
Anon if Jason was never adapted in a movie then you'd just say no one cares about him and he has no appeal.
Nah he's the most interesting one. Tim and Damian were unnecessary. Robin in general was unnecessary but Jason Todd's evolution at least did something different whereas Nightwing was pretty much inevitable too.
Jason's appeal is being the edgy one, simple as that.
Dick is my favorite Robin and i agree with anon, Dick is popular AS Robin, but not exactly as Dick Grayson or Nightwing, if that makes sense
Normies eated up Red Hood, he got like two movies, the injustice game and the Arkham games, also he has a kinda spider-gwen thing where his desing is also appealing and does heavy lifting by itself
No way he got two movies. A single game is too much.
I like Tim, I just don't like him as much as every other Robin.
Cease your timhomosexualry
Timhomosexuals don’t exist anymore
Who’s the favorite son and the who’s the least favorite son
There's an argument to be made for the favorite son being Dick, Jason, or Damian (it's Dick btw), but not for Tim, he's definitely the least favorite son.
He never slit Tim’s throat though. Low bar but that’s something.
Even with all the shit between Bruce and Jason, Tim is still the least favorite.
He was with Tim way longer though. They got along well, Tim cleaned up the mess Jason left behind, and as a bonus he didn’t get himself killed. He might not be his favorite but I can’t see why he’d be the least favorite. On the other hand he couldn’t even bother to have Dick go to Jason’s funeral.
Bruce probably likes working with Tim the most, but I'd argue he has a closer connection with Jason.
His relationship with Jason is the most busted. Even though they've made peace he probably still feels guilty about what happened to him
>He was with Tim way longer though. They got along well, Tim cleaned up the mess Jason left behind, and as a bonus he didn’t get himself killed.
Timgays doing revisionism about Jason being """incompetent""" and ""a mess"" is also one of the reasons nobody likes Tim now
>Dick needs to be Nightwing and concede the Titans to Tim in order to give Tim something to do
>Jason needs to be incompetent and a mess to justify Tim existance
>Damian needs to flat out not exist at all in order for Tim to not be superfluous
all of the above but specially Dick need to also be dumbed down in order to give Tim the role of the smart one
>Also Barbara and Tim will probably overlap in said role but who cares lmao
unironically just kill him or someting
>just kill him off
We already did that with Jason
How many times has Bruce beat Dicks ass for almost no reason? I still laugh at dental b***h slap
Everyone always posts that one World's Finest panel, but it was from an imaginary story.
Batman backhanded Robin when he was possessed by the Antithesis
Bruce punched the shit out of Dick (while he's on crutches) after Jason's death.
Batman punched Nightwing after he decided to give up Bruce Wayne after BW: Murderer. But Nightwing swung first, he deserved it.
Batman backhanded Nightwing during the Court of Owls, like you showed.
Batman decided punching was his love language after Nightwing's "death" in Forever Evil. They had a drag-out fight in the cave.
Batman and Nightwing fought when Nightwing was mind-controlled in Batman vs Robin
Batman and Nightwing fought during Gotham War...
You'll notice how it used to be a rare thing, now it's happening every few years.
>Bruce punched the shit out of Dick (while he's on crutches) after Jason's death.
Wait why would he do this. I don’t remember this. I just remember Dick being creeped out he took down all his photos of Jason.
Dick was off-world for Death in the Family. He gets back home, finds out that Jason died, and goes straight to the cave.
Bruce gives him shit for not being at the funeral, the this happens.
Damn why did Dick hate him so much.
They weren’t bros
Dick didn't hate Jason, he just didn't know him. Pre-Crisis Jason and his parents were old family friends of the Graysons. Post-Crisis Jason was the random homeless kid Bruce picked up after kicking Dick out the cave. They met a couple times, that's it.
No... Nightwing didn't grow a mullet till the early 90s. Team Titans era.
Feels like a missed opportunity that they only interacted like twice. I guess they fixed that with Tim.
Dick was literally too busy living his own life as his own superhero with the Titans. It's part of the reason why people have this conspiracy theory that all the Bat-Editors and Bat-Writers hate the Titans and want to rewrite huge chunks of Dick's early years as Nitewing to practically staple him to Batman's hip at all times.
Titans fans see this as a slight when the truth is that these are IP farms, Titans is a separate IP from Batman, and having one of the most important characters have their major character change happen in a book outside of the Batbooks is not good for adaptations.
>IP farms
Only because Warner Bros is fricking moronic when it comes to intercompany assets. Cartoon Network Studios has to ask permission to use Hanna Barbera sound effects, because even though it's literally the legal successor to HB, WB considers them two different things.
Bruce hates Tim so much that he...chooses him to be his son?
He chose them all to be their sons, except Damian, Talia just kinda dumped him on him lol
And Bruce doesn't hate Tim, he doesn't hate anyone in the family, this conversation is about the "least favorite".
Then wouldn't Damian be the least favorite? He took him in based almost entirely on a sense of paternal duty rather than than genuine love and affection like he did for the other three.
No because we've seen how Bruce is with Damian.
Damian gets preference over Tim for being the baby of the family.
He's the baby, gotta love him.
>Favorite
Either Dick or Jason, both have strong cases and stories supporting the claim
>Least
Tim
Damian. Bruce will never tell the other boys, but the fact that he's his biological son means more to him. Which is also why Damian is the least favorite as Bruce didn't have a hand in raising him and the boy can be onery.
Half the bat family, if not more a redundant tbh. And out of all the sons, Tim's the most redundant to exist right now. DC needs another crisis to prune shit like they did for Superman's family.
That was the New 52. Notice how everyone they pruned came back. It's not worth it.
Kill them instead.
So then who gets sent to the chopping block?
Damian. If Bruce is to have a kid it shouldn't be some dysgenic rapespawn from a villain that hadn't been relevant in decades. Get rid of him and give Bruce a few biological kids that he raises from infancy with one of his actual love interests.
>tfw when Helena will never be allowed to grow up with happy, in love parents
Any sidekick created after 1985.
All the ones I don't like.
None of them, it's not fricking worth it, they all have fans and it's not like Batman has the whole family with him in every story, we can have solo Batman stories, and Batman team-up stories just fine.
Nightwing sucks. I'd rather Jason be the first Robin. Having the OG be the one who fails and dies is much more impactful to the overall mythos, and it'd re-contextualize Bruce's relationship with Damian. It'd also cause friction between Jason and Damion, as the latter is effectively his replacement in both the role of the sidekick and as Bruce's son. Two Robins, two sons, two brothers.
that's stupid. If the first Robin was such a frickup there wouldn't be a second. What makes the narrative good and caused the whole succession of Robins was how good Dick was, his effect on Bruce, and how much Bruce missed him
>If the first Robin was such a frickup there wouldn't be a second.
That's the point. Things were good until they weren't. Batman would take the incident as proof that he should do everything solo, alienating everyone around him. Then Damian comes along wanting to be the new Robin, and Bruce would tell him to frick off with that shit as he's already lost Jason. Slowly and surely, they warm up to each other. Batman and Robin reborn. Then Jason resurfaces as Red Hood during No Man's Land.
Different universe, different rules.
>I have only read White Knight and think it's the hypest shit ever
Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.
Dick's the first. Hence forever the most important.
Jason's the one he failed that's the edgy brooding anti hero.
Tim's the smart one who got made gay.
Damian's the biological child of Bruce Wayne and was also "saved" by Bruce from their abusive assassin mother and learns to become better.
Cass is literally the same thing as Damian minus the biological thing.
Most things people remember about Steph is that she's Tim's ex
Helena Wayne is the other biological kid that's only relevant if there's either a time travel plot, or multi-verse crossover plot, outside of that she's as relevant as Duke and Luke Fox.
Barbra is usually the first batgirl and Gordon's kid, so she usually gets to stay for the Jim dynamic alone.
Kate Kane was the original LGBT bat family member, even further dwindling Tim's relevance.
There's probably others I'm forgetting but you can easily cut the fat somewhere.
You guys hate on Tim, but being tho boring gay of the bunch is actually a very important role that I'm very glad he fulfills instead of any of the other Robins.
>Tim is ironically the straight man
I'm trying to figure out exactly what are these good Jason and Damian stories with Bruce. I guess Jason has the cult and Damian has B&R, where he was dead half the time, but that list is super short
The Mike Barr/Alan Davis detective run is good. But Jason is very different from how Starlin wrote him.
It has been before, with the third crossover Batman/TMNT. Literally, the Turtles took the roles of Batman's Robins:
+ Leonardo as Nightwing/Dick Grayson.
+ Raphael as Red Hood/Jason Todd.
+ Donatello as Tim Drake.
+ Michaelangelo as Damian.
They didn't take on their roles, just their hero identities, Leo was Nightwing, Raph was Red Hood, Donnie was Red Robin, and Mikey was Robin.
Only if they all live in the sewer.
So following the last Brave and the Bold, should we expect to see Mia as robin (in training… Wade give her the yellow shirt!) in the future?
She effectively already is.
Is BatB canon to the main continuity? I know Black and White isn’t, and the Batman comic wasn’t her being a robin but more larping and nearly dying.
I assume everything is canon if it can fit somewhere, I don't think Maps will become a new main Robin tho, as much as I like her.
Well if BatB is cannon then Maps can hardly be anything but the new Robin or the sidekick of a Batfamily member, since she saw the Batcave, and Bruce real identity as well as Alfred. Or she gets mind wiped.
Well at least since her parents are rich and part of the elites of Gotham that can meet Bruce at his numerous events, Mia could have the excuse of going to play at Damian’s house while in reality she’s training. Her parents probably won’t mind her hanging out at Bruce Wayne’s manor.
Also I do agree that I want the least amount of grim things to happen to her.
Just what the Batman franchise needs...MORE worthless characters that appeal only to yellow fevergays.
maps being a Robin and/or deeply intertwined with grim batstuff would ruin the character and be a colossal failure on everybody involved with batman
Just make it a trio
>Dick and Jason spitroast Tim
Does anyone have the panel of Tim fighting those dogs?
I think there qas another panel of him throwing an angry cat.
Or was it Nightwing?
Anyway, I sure could use them.
Stephanie is not a real Robin. Bruce only "hired" her to entice Tim to come back. When that didn't work he fired her at the first opportunity, then lied to her face in her deathbed that she was Robin for real so she wouldn't feel bad.
yeah but look at those fricking breasts
Which episode do they bring up Tim Drake being a homo?
>episode
Come on anon, it's current year, being gay would be one of his defining traits.
They all must live in a studio apartment in a reality show like show
>Dick:The sinks busted again
>Damian:Why you telling me? Go ask Jason, he knows a lot about pips
I think the issue with a Robin team up series is that these characters have so much history and lore that it'll be incredibly difficult to give them the time they need to not come off as hollow flanderizations of their characters. It perhaps wouldn't be a problem if the Robins were new characters going into a team up book where we're just meeting them for the first time, but they've all had enough time to develop in their own right that juggling them all without making the other's look incompetent would be a monumental task, definitely not something the current crop of writers would be up to.
how is that purple girl called?
Stephanie Brown/Spoiler
thanks
>known ip
>dynamic personalities
>gay pairings
This would have been the perfect series for DC to get newbies. Too bad TikTok is being banned and Warner is moronic so we won’t get it and if we did there is no audience