It already works so well for them.
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wasn't there a cancelled obin cartoon where they basically had the tmnt personalities? bullet dodged.
I don't think it would have been a bad idea.
I agree.
>Leo:Damian
>Mikey:Dick
>Raph:Jason
>Donnie:Tim
What about Steph?
I'm not even going to put in the thought to justify why beyond breasts.
Venus?
April. especially if you go with 2012 and Donnie crushing on her.
But the Batgirls are analogous to the powerpuff girls more than anything
Technically in function and personality it’s
Leo = Dick
Ralph = Jason
Don = Tim
Mike = Steph
Karai (Splinter’s child) = Damien
What about her?
She, Babs, and Cassandra can be the other three female turtles.
As brothers or archetype?
Both.
Hmmm, something like GK then?
The game or the show?
Only a Timgay would think this was a good idea.
Timgays are just grasping for straws to make him relevant. Tim is basically the Venus of the Robins, as in the diveristy Robin nobody cares about.
How the Robins are doing these days? Anything interesting going on?
Dick is in epic cringe journey.
Jason is involved in some divorce case between Bruce and Selina.
Tim is gay and ruined.
Damian is going through the same development he went through several times already, but he likes manga now.
>Jason is involved in some divorce case between Bruce and Selina.
Wut?
We are getting another war in gotham and it's Batman vs Catwoman. Jason's apparently will play a major role and is on Selina's side.
>We are getting another war in gotham
WHY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
>and it's Batman vs Catwoman.
Can Selina at least walk around braless again?
I thought Jason and Bruce already made up...
Well, you know how it goes. They made up in a story and suddenly fight in another. The usual case for cape comics.
>Dick is in epic cringe journey.
Barbara is going to make an honest man out of him. Just watch.
Good to know that they are doing...."well".
Easier to keep the ones that sell, Dick and Damian. Kill Jason again, Tim, who cares, and Steph, leave her hanging around, making small appearances.
>Kill Jason again
As someone who likes him a lot, I wouldn't mind because with how DC are handling their comics, probably everyone will be gay in the next five years.
I don't know about killing Jason again, but I do prefer that he doesn't get on-going because it's not like DC is in good state. I wouldn't mind if Rose and him got married and moved on.
Jason belongs with Aretmis.
But isn't she a homosexual?
It's okay, she's bisexual anon.
>she's bisexual
Same thing.
No, he belong to Rose.
What, you mean add an attractive anthropomorphic female fox? I agree.
Jason fanboys apparently are all straight men compared to other robins fans.
Well, he is the most manly among them.
Now this is delusion.
It's the truth and apparently the personal experience of someone who isn't happy about this.
I can only suggest they didn't look very hard.
I mean, he is the tough guy with guns. It's not hard to believe that gays won't be into him especially considering that most of his fans are casuals anyway.
>I mean, he is the tough guy with guns. It's not hard to believe that gays won't be into him
yeah yeah, gay don't like that
Why super triggered?
Probably a dick fanboy. They are the most insecure about Jason and his fans.
Which doesn't make any sense?? Dick fans will brag all day long about how Dick is the greatest ever, most iconic, best-selling, heart of the DCU, friend to all, gorgeousest, irresistible to all women and men, cosmic keystone, universal constant—and then they freak the frick out over Jason or Jace or Tim.
You living under a rock? Morrison is worshipped as a god in a lot of comic circles, and his Batman run is treated like gold. Most of those fans have incredibly poor literary comprehension, and Morrison's few interesting ideas somehow flew completely over their heads despite having all the subtlety of a baseball bat to the face--regardless, the Morrison run was a critical and commercial success. For DickBats, I actually prefer Long Shadows and The Black Mirror, but Morrison's DickBats and Damian are unquestionably beloved.
Damian has never done anything wrong in his life.
>Most of those fans have incredibly poor literary comprehension
Batman's fans really do be like that.
>Which doesn't make any sense??
Because Jason is the only one in the batfamily who rival him in terms of popularity. This is basically the reason why they can't stand him
>Damian has never done anything wrong in his life.
I think you're considering it from the wrong angle. Jason is like the platonic ideal of an exciting bat-boyfriend. He's ubiquitous in homolust circles.
Now, those people probably don't seek out people who are convinced no one likes him except straight guys such as themselves.
Things that extremely straight Red Hood fans enjoy...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is made by a "fanboy".
>Look at me, I'm a Red Hood fan, I'm very straight
It's one of the reasons why the character's fan base is a joke.
Jason has a particularly large contingency of straight guys who like him because he's edgy and for the UtRH movie/AK, but really all the male Robins have following: a group of straight men who self-insert as them, and a bunch of straight women who want him to be gay.
Dick has probably the largest gay following out of any of them from history alone. But Jason is absolutely second. He's a fricking bara. He has daddy issues. He wore the scaley green panties.
tim has the dichotomy of the largest push for gay shipping in the fandom, but probably he smallest actually gay following. But there's also the amusing thing that unlike the other two, there's a decent amount of yaoi Tim shippers that are ok with him being with Steph, possibly because she's considered the dominant/ masculine one in their relationship.
As for Damian, pairing him up with Jon got him a huge following for m/m stuff.
Super Sons is what endeared Damian to many. He was super hated before this.
That too. Really Damian was better off in books outside of Morrison in terms of endearing him to people
He kinda still is. I remember many people were excited when he gotten the heck beaten out of him by Red Hood.
He honestly deserved it and it was about time someone taught him a lesson.
He was also better as Dick's Robin. He was still an edgy little shit, but it played off better with Dickbat.
The only ones who liked that run was Dick fans. A lot of people were still unconvinced by Damian until Super Sons. Still, there are many who don't like him and his personality.
Top rated DC comics when it came out, on every best Batman story list. Absolute edition. The comic book wouldn't have any of that if only Dick fans liked it.
Because he was intentionally written as a spoiled butthole with a crap attitude. Super Sons was the only time he was written as an actual human being, Instead of something for the viewer to dislike.
>Because he was intentionally written as a spoiled butthole with a crap attitude. Super Sons was the only time he was written as an actual human being
A spoiled butthole is EXACTLY how Damian would act like as "an actual human being". How do you think a kid would act if he was told his entire life his dad was fricking Batman and he was raised with the idea he has this glorious destiny ahead of him.
He should be a total brat at best and have no concept of consequences at worst.
B&R was a massive hit and his solo series sell more than red hood or batgirl so clearly he's not that hated.
Damian did well on Streets of Gotham too
This is beyond bizzare. Batman and Robin sold WAY more than Super Sons. Super Sons fans are delusional about how popular their pet series was.
Its pathetic that you know this
I like fanart. What can I say. Before Cinemaphile if you wanted to discuss comics online your online were niche forums that even back then were gradually dying. Online spaces where yaoi fangirls reside also ended up being the most active.
It blows my fricking mind they haven't done a book with that kind of dynamic.
Robins wasn't that?
That was what people clearly wanted Robins to be, but DC had to frick it up with some random story overly focused on a donut steel fixated on an aspect of Robindom nobody needed to see relitigated.
I'm not sure why they included Stephanie. Fans wanted a Robins book because they wanted to see the dynamic between the four brothers.
Stephanie wasn't even a dealbreaker for me, though I doubt anyone would have really complained if it were just a sausage party. They just went with a stupid idea. Nobody cares about some brand new pseudo-Robin metacommenting on the job and Batman.
Because Damian doesn't fit.
It really doesn't take that much writing to make them all fit, the problem is DC has no concept of long-term planning and playing into each character's strengths.
>It already works so well for them.
So why did you post a comic that utterly failed?
>It really doesn't take that much writing to make them all fit
It doesn't take much to distord a character into something they neveer were either. Besides, DC is already doing that.
They did. It was called Robins.
There shouldn't even be that many Robins in the first place
Why? It actually worked for them and a lot of people love the idea of batfamily considering how successful BTWFA has been.
I mean the bat family concept is OK but there still should be kind of a limit on how many robins there are, I just feel enough to basically make "teenage mutant ninja turtles" with them seems idk too much
A big reason of its success is because of the Robins, anon.
There's a ton of people on Cinemaphile that get upset about things that weren't in BTAS.
She was a Robin for five minutes, but she was fun in the role. And her dying wish was the be acknowledged as part of the legend. Granted, she lived, after a retcon, but she should still be recognized.
I like Stephanie, but I don't think she should be acknowledged as Robin.
Robin is someone who has a special connection to Batman and she certainly doesn't.
It's interesting that they went with permanently incorporating that instead of pretending it never happened. I remember people being super pissed about what they were doing with Tim around that time, and having Steph take her boyfriend's job was not a good choice.
I've said this a few times, but Steph should've rode out Robin until Damian, because then Tim could've had more time to grow into another role. Then when Damian came out he could ease into being Robin, give Steph Batgirl(since editorial was trying to get rid of Cass since her book ended)
Tim being Robin in 04-08 was the WORST thing for him , because they made be obsessive over Kon(a character he only had a tense, almost rival relationship with before), and then had him be salty over Damian. Morrison treated Tim as if he was Dick and considered himself as Bruce's son for years(and thus took offense to Damian being his brother), when Tim was still uncomfortable and getting used to the idea in his own book.
The position the character is in now can entirely be traced to 1) DC trying to make him Dick 2 and 2) putting so much emphasis on the 03 Titans book for his character.
New 52 fricked up everything for everyone, example #7314.
It's not like N52 not happening would have fixed the problem with Tim.
>New 52 fricked up everything for everyone
Not Jason since it actually saved him from what Morrison has done to him.
I actually wonder what would have happened to him if the reboot never happened. Dido did say that they received a lot of fans requests for Red Hood series.
Some people act like everything was perfect for the batfamily prior to the Flashpoint when in reality it wasn't. Dick was never going to stay as Batman, the whole thing about Tim Wayne was cringe, Cass was irrelevant, they were already planning for Babs to return as Batgirl so Stephanie was going to be irrelevant too, Morrison was planning to kill Damian for good and Jason was a mess.
As opposed to
>Tim being irrelevant and ooc then gay, irrelevant and ooc
>Dick never being Batman, Ric, Taylors nonsense
>Cass erased then irrelevant
>Jason is still a mess
But sure anon, pre-flashpoint was the worst
I didn't say it was "the worst", but it wasn't great either or a huge lost. Pretending that everything was perfect before the reboot is pretty silly.
>Pretending that everything was perfect before the reboot is pretty silly.
Pretending it wasn't significantly better than new 52 and what we have now is sillier
>significantly better
Depends on who's your favorite was.
And I'm not someone who necessarily likes N52 or care much about it, but DCU was already running out of fumes prior to the reboot.
>Tim being irrelevant and ooc then gay, irrelevant and ooc
>Dick never being Batman, Ric, Taylors nonsense
>Cass erased then irrelevant
I don't think New 52 not happening wouldn't have stopped this from happening.
>But sure anon, pre-flashpoint was the worst
For Jason? Yes, it was. The only way to recover from the damage Morrison has done to him was a hard reboot.
And as someone said already, it's not like n52 is the reason why Ric happened or Tim being gay.
Winnick turned Jason the frick around right before new 52, and that Batman and Robin arc with him /Damian was great.
Tim as redRobin was a straight boys self-insert fantasy and he was separate from the Robin role( thus not redundant)
I’ll give you Ric because Didio needed a gimmick on Dick 24/7
>Winnick turned Jason the frick around right before new 52, and that Batman and Robin arc with him /Damian was great.
He tried to lessen the damage (he was pretty unhappy with what happened to Jason), but it wouldn't have been enough and probably wouldn't have saved him from the red hair without the reboot.
And let's be honest here, Red Robin series wouldn't have lasted long (it wasn't selling that great) and a lot of people thought the name was a bit laughable.
I liked the series. The name was okay. Maybe I just have bad taste.
Ultimately the red hair was inconsequential. He could just keep dying it and it wouldn't be a big deal. Or just quietly retcon it. The white streak keeps coming back and it has no basis in anything besides how the fakeout Jason/Jason looked in Hush(no, it wasn't supposed to come from the Lazarus pit unlike Morrison claims, no one who used the pit before ever got that. R'as just has greying temples)
Red Robin still established Tim as his own hero, not Robin with action figure wings or 2 Rs on his chest. Don't sweat the name so much-- the important thing was he was independent, had a set of goals and direction, had recurring character relationships to build on. He has yet to really earn those again.
Meanwhile New 52 made them both MORE Dick-like. Jason got Dick's old friends and girlfriend he wasn't using, and Tim became an acrobat leading the first Titans team in that universe(IIRC, I've banished a lot of New 52 in my head).
>He could just keep dying it and it wouldn't be a big
Yeah, no. And it was a big deal because there's a reason behind it and it wasn't exactly subtle. It also ruined Bruce.
Again, it could've just been ignored after a while. It's no more a permanent slight against him than the tentacle monster issue was.
And you just reminded of another reason why pre-flashpoint was seriously bad for Jason. DC almost ruined him for good.
In the end, all of them, Robins and Batgirls, are part of the Batman mythos, and they will be whatever is best (or what the editors think is best) for Batman. Dick manages to do better because he has a very strong presence outside of Batfam, mainly because of the Titans, but also because he is over 80 years old (and manages to hold sales, except for Scott Lobdell, without Batman).
They didn't almost ruin him for Batman, though. They did it for Dick. BFTC, BB and B&R all starred Dick.
the B is from Batman?
Only the last one.
I don't think almost ruining Jason who had a good potential to be a great addition to the mytho was good for Batman. Never mind the fact they actually made Bruce look worse.
The problem with Jason in his UtH set up is that he's a complete quagmire. He exists to draw attention to Batman's no-kill rule,but he himself can never kill any major Batman villain. So he can't keep having that status quo or he just seems ineffective. And yet if you kill him off, or even have him break all ties with Bruce, it should be permanently devastating to him. A son he miraculously got a second chance with, and lost again.
well, the dead and back Robin story is a hit, people like how it affects Batman
The fact that you forgot it at all shows how easy it is to write around and forget stuff in cape comics.
The white streak is definitely much better than the sudden red hair and it actually makes him stand out.
And I personally liked Jason's relationship with Roy. Their friendship was enjoyable and they fit together nicely.
>Red Robin series wouldn't have lasted long (it wasn't selling that great)
Stop lying. It was doing well enough even when Didio decided to crash the plane with the reboot. If the reboot hadn't happened, sales would have been probably higher.
06/2009: Red Robin #1 -- 64,261 (+102.8%) [71,925]
07/2009: Red Robin #2 -- 51,593 (- 19.7%) [54,544]
08/2009: Red Robin #3 -- 50,329 (- 2.5%)
09/2009: Red Robin #4 -- 47,945 (- 4.7%)
10/2009: Red Robin #5 -- 44,776 (- 6.6%)
11/2009: Red Robin #6 -- 42,409 (- 5.3%)
12/2009: Red Robin #7 -- 39,528 (- 6.8%)
01/2010: Red Robin #8 -- 37,869 (- 4.2%)
02/2010: Red Robin #9 -- 36,466 (- 3.7%)
03/2010: Red Robin #10 -- 36,708 (+ 0.7%)
04/2010: Red Robin #11 -- 36,205 (- 1.4%)
05/2010: Red Robin #12 -- 36,273 (+ 0.2%)
06/2010: Red Robin #13 -- 35,917 (- 1.0%)
07/2010: Red Robin #14 -- 35,652 (- 0.7%)
08/2010: Red Robin #15 -- 34,709 (- 2.7%)
09/2010: Red Robin #16 -- 33,753 (- 2.8%)
10/2010: --
11/2010: Red Robin #17 -- 31,825 (- 5.7%)
12/2010: Red Robin #18 -- 30,873 (- 3.0%)
01/2011: Red Robin #19 -- 30,547 (- 1.1%)
02/2011: Red Robin #20 -- 30,149 (- 1.3%)
03/2011: Red Robin #21 -- 29,652 (- 1.7%)
04/2011: Red Robin #22 -- 31,786 (+ 7.2%)
05/2011: Red Robin #23 -- 29,097 (- 8.5%)
06/2011: Red Robin #24 -- 28,367 (- 2.5%)
07/2011: Red Robin #25 -- 27,390 (- 3.4%)
08/2011: Red Robin #26 -- 26,939 (- 1.7%)
But Didio sabotaged most of YJ gen out of spite.
What killed that book was also losing Yost for Nicieza's cringy Tim wank.
>He think doing 30k prior to Flashpoint was great numbers
Lmao
But yeah, Nightwing and Flash(Wally) have been selling this since the 90's. Batgirl at her best selling point, Simone, was selling this(in a long period of time). Move on to other Batfam titles and you'll see them struggling to stay above 20k after the hype that was New 52. Lobdell was dropped from Nightwing for nearly bringing the title's sales to match Red Hood's low numbers, but instead of cancelling, DC gave him Jurgens who improved things a bit, managed to keep it above 20k, until Taylor got around to making the hit he's been making.
Turns out with Tim, DC didn't even try. This thing about making him gay and giving him a shitty writer was a bigger sabotage than anything Didio tried to pull off.
>until Taylor got around to making the hit he's been making
Sure.....
Taylor's Nightwing is the second most popular title in the Batman Franchise behind the main Batman title itself. It's been somewhere in the top 10 (and frequently in the top 5) best selling books DC has. Taylor has consistently had 3-5 titles in the top 50 every month this year, excluding the months his books didn't come out because the Knight Terrors event.
You can dislike him as a writer but saying Taylor didn't make a hit is laughable.
We have no accurate estimate of how books are selling since the ranking we are getting are made of pretty small sample.
ICv2 tracks sales using ComicHub. ComicHub is a widely used inventory and point of sale system designed specifically for the comic book industry. It's accurate, it's just not precise.
Yeah, ICv2 numbers which made of 125 out of 3,000 stores are pretty "accurate".
Comics that sell very poorly in IcV2 end up cancelled, Robin (Tim Drake), Task Force Z (Red Hood), I am Batman (a Fox), while those that appear well go from mini series to regular series, Poison Ivy. Well, IcV2 shows the market trend, if a comic appears well in its ranking, it is probably because it is selling well, of course, there is the question of the day the comic is released. But if you don't want to believe it, OK, continue to believe that Tom Taylor's Nightwing is not selling well.
>Robin (Tim Drake)
Well, duh. It doesn't need a ICv2 list to tell it was hated.
>Task Force Z (Red Hood)
I'm pretty sure it was always supposed to be a mini series and it wasn't "canceled".
>I am Batman (a Fox)
Not surprising since hardly anyone cared.
>Tom Taylor's Nightwing is not selling well
Didn't say it doesn't sell well, but the idea that it's a "huge hit" and you are using ICv2 list as proof is what I find laughable.
It's a big hit, but you're too salty to take it.
Nice retort.
If Taylor's Nightwing wasn't popular. He wouldn't have been giving the TT book and given the freedom to have the two books to be more tightly connected. All the avaliable evidence points to the book doing well.
Plus he's getting that event. Sigh.
Speaking of IcV2, apparently Knight Terrors was a disaster for DC. 15 comics in the TOP50, while Marvel has 15 comics in the TOP20.
As you said, they are not accurate, but it is possible to see market trends.
I’m betting the only reason why the books are doing so well is because of the art.
It amuses me how people on Cinemaphile think a comic selling on art alone is a bad thing.
Though Redondo don't do it for me, if Nightwing was an artbook and not a comics I'd agree. However, that's a very corporate or sell-out thing to say since it's not exacly a good thing either.
It’s a bad thing because Redondo is getting wasted on Taylor’s boring plots.
These numbers are interesting, Didio kept Red Hood for a long time selling much less than that. Of course, to keep Harras' friend's job.
If Tim had a comic book in the New 52, I have no doubt it would have outsold Batgirl and Red Hood, but the last decade of sabotage has really taken its toll on the character.
He does and barely did well. Tim was already losing popularity before N52 happened.
>For Jason? Yes, it was.
What are the chances that the jasongays on Cinemaphile all seem to be the five people who like Lobdell and Rosenberg?
>He's a fricking bara.
In what world? Comic wise you'd be hard pressed to find a page where he's taller than dick and he's definitely not in UtRH or Titans.
He was fricked before the New 52, even.
It was before he truly got messed up with his dad dying and Infinite crisis, but Dixon's initial idea was better-Tim goes off for a bit to help Ted Kord start up his Blue Beetle Inc(not what it was called but basically that idea), and Steph basically covers his shifts as Robin for the time being. It'd go back to Tim as Robin but leave it open so Tim could have a new role one day like how Dick's ties with Superman got him the Nightwing role.
The circumstances of Steph being Robin were basically founded on character regression. Right before that run they were pretty secure in their relationship, with both having inner monologues that they'd never even suspect the other of cheating at that point. Then the whole reason Steph goes to be robin is because..she thinks Tim cheated.
Tim as "Blue Beetle", I like the sound of that
Tim being a Blue Beetle fanboy is one of the best ideas Dixon had. It makes sense- Tim's a detective fanboy and Ted was sort of a detective, and in a meta sense Ted was Ditko's way of doing Spider-man solo, and Tim was inspired by early spider-man.
Ted also relies on tech and gadgets to make up for any shortcomings he has physically.
Plus the way the Blue Beetle international idea was going to be, both he and Jaime could exist. Jaime as a Dan Garret legacy and Tim as Ted's.
>tense
>with kon
???
I've never read Red Robin, but they say it's good.
Geoff Johns, Savior of Green Lantern, Bane of Batman
>The position the character is in now can entirely be traced to 1) DC trying to make him Dick 2 and 2) putting so much emphasis on the 03 Titans book for his character.
Well, he's the token gay Robin now, so... yay?
They also fricked that up, though not as badly as Jon.
only if dick is good in it
It doesn't
We have gone past the need for Tim and Damian.
Who in the FRICK thought Tim being gay was a good idea? We already have fan favorite Harper Row for the queer representation and Kate for the lesbos.
fujos
>fan favorite Harper Row
I laugh everytime I remember this. Ironic how it end up for her.
No one gives brownie points for lesbians.
Needed a male gay Batman character.
You see the problem with Tim's downfall is that it all started when Jason Todd came back. Damian was the nail to the coffin but Jason fricking Todd was the beginning of the end of Tim Drake.
Jason coming back makes Tim's story of becoming Robin pointless, he was supposed to be the successor to the failure of Jason's Robin. But with Jason coming back? Whoops, all that guilt that Bruce had, and Tim's pressure to live up, and surpass Jason is all gone. It displaced Tim's role in the Batfamily, but he still has a role in competing with Jason to prove that he's better than Jason as a Robin. But then Damian happened, and we all know that story. Damian being added to the cast displaced Tim's role even more, with Jason being there, and a new Robin in the role. Tim's role and place was basically frick all.
Frick Jason and Damian, they're the reason why Tim Drake is in a hot mess right now. Should have at least kept one of them dead, or both.
>Tim was okay until he tried to compete with better, more interesting characters!
Do you Tim fans hear yourselves?
Jason is best dead, good as a mad dog/rival to Batman and the Batfamily, and just fricking the worst as a dedicated member using rubber bullets to keep his edge factor. Damian is best as being Batman's eventual successor but neither would stomp over Tim if they actually gave Tim something unique to differentiate him from the bunch. Dick is the golden child, Jason is the forgiven failure, and Damian is the wildcard in need of reigning in with the most potential, Tim is the one with a staff.
Excuse me, Tim is the gay one with the staff.
Damian should really be his own thing. Damian can stand on his own. Tim needs his new Robin arc, a proper Robin arc to have a send-off from him leaving the Robin role instead of getting booted from the mantle. Have Tim be Robin, the only Robin, least for 5 years to have a proper new Robin stories, and have it end with him leaving the role. Damian can go do whatever, most Damianfans wants him interacting and go on adventures with his friends anyway.
Jason came back because Superboy Prime fricking punched reality. He was accident, and his death was better when he's dead. So, Bruce and Tim have a constant reminder, and a tragedy to move past from.
no, as a Tim fan, please no this is pathetic. Tim's time as Robin ended 15 years ago, pleeing for 5 more years is just SAD.
I just want Red Robin back, that's fricking all. It's no more redundant to have Red Robin and robin than it is Batgirl and Batwoman and multiple canaries. Yes it's silly, but I don't care. It worked for him
Just give me a different fricking name. Red Robin is so stupid and needlessly hung up on the past. Cardinal. Lark. Condor. Kingfisher. Kestrel. There's a million different good bird names, putting Robin in there is like tripping before the starting gun even fires.
Just making it a random red bird is stupider to me, the whole point of Red Robin is that it's just a more mature Robin. Tim embraces his role within the batfamily and as a hand to Batman, which is why KC Dick was RR and not Nightwing. A Robin who embraced being Batman's right hand.
Maybe we should go 90s edge for Tim. I now dub him... DARK WING!
>Darkwing Drake
I love it.
We've come full circle.
It is like the burger joint
>neither would stomp over Tim if they actually gave Tim something unique to differentiate him from the bunch
"Tim is hypothetically interesting if he were interesting."
If your favorite character can't survive when they other competitors, then they don't deserve to be around.
This. I like Tim, but if Jason and Damian presence is enough to threaten his existence, he doesn't deserve to be around.
>Dick is the golden child, Jason is the forgiven failure, and Damian is the wildcard in need of reigning in with the most potential, Tim is the one with a staff.
Then you must love the current era of comics because that's the narrative there.
Tim went to shit a few years before Jason was resurrected and long before Damian was even though of. They decided to make Tim into Dick v2 after Graduation Day, then doubled down on it after Infinite Crisis.
Tim's downfall had to do with didio trying to make him Batman jr by cutting away all the things that make him a character, add to that the fact that Tims meta narrative of saving Batman is pure fancope and any character could take that place and you have someone who doubly easily replaceable. Thing is he would've still been fine but then new 52 happened.
>add to that the fact that Tims meta narrative of saving Batman is pure fancope and any character could take that place and you have someone who doubly easily replaceable.
Sure but...it was Tim. It's silly to take that away from him because..someone else could replace his role in a hypothetical adaptation? Except we don't have that, we just have what happened. And Tim endured a lot of people in the early 90's through Knightfall
But it didn't need to be and that's why it got removed with the new 52.
There was no fricking clue what happened in new 52. No plan at all. It's not a good excuse. He was going through Robins 1 a year. Stupid
I figured this out a couple of months ago and it's how I'm writing my comic whose characters are basically 4 robins with a dead Batman: Write them like the turtles
So one thing that makes the TMNT/Robins connection amusing is that way back around 97, The TMNT actually had a crossover with Big Bang comics, a comic that's basically an homage to Golden/ Silverage comics with expy characters of DC/Marvel.
Their Robin character is called Galahad. In a story that takes place in the TMNT's childhood, they encounter him when he's tossed in the sewers by the Toot when he attempts to find the Foot Clan, who killed his Batman. Splinter helps him and the Turtles comment on how cool his mask is when he leaves.
So in a way, the TMNT were inspired by "Robin"(also Splinter decides that his No-Kill rule doesn't work and decides to teach his boys "No, Kill!")
Tim as leader of Batman Inc NOW.
I just like seeing them interact like brothers. And wouldn't mind the occasional mini focusing on them.
I love Gotham Knights, so I think it will be a cool idea for them to make a series based around the Robins and Batgirl fighting crime together without Batman.
With Steph as Batgirl.
Splinter = Batman
Leo = Damien
Raph = Jason
Donnie = Barbara
Mikey = Dick
Tim can go frick himself
>robin thread
>barbara
Out.
I want a robin martial art movie
If you get rid of the R from Dick Grayson his name becomes Dick Gayson
Has all of the Robin's lost their virginities except Damian?
DC already realizes this is a shit idea.
Nightwing got his own mini in Knight Terrors, because he actually sells.
As the current Robin, Damian is in the main book with Batman.
Tim and Jason get to split the containment book.
Posts picture about Robins with Steph second largest in it.
Thread spends more time ignoring or posting that she doesn't belong.
You Steph haters all suck.
As someone who loves Steph, I can’t entirely blame them. She only had a few issues, half of them were “ Steph isn’t good at this”(despite being able to hold her own with a JSA tier enemy a few years before) , she’s been established more as a Batgirl legacy these days.
Besides that a lot of them are fans who started with UTH/Morrison run onward and don’t really go and read stories before that because reprints outside of a few notable minis(DKR, Long Halloween, etc) are a crapshoot, or pricy)
A fair analysis, though I still think her 6 contemporary issues as Robin and 3 flashback issues are really fun. And Wayne Family Adventures is adding some quite fun stuff to her history in the red skirt. And those are free!