For any and all adaptations of the Snow Queen, across shows, movies, books and comics.
I've seen a few lately, kind of interested just to see the different approaches now. Which ones do you know of Cinemaphile? What do you think of it?
I've actually not even read the original fairy tale, is it worth a gander?
Frozen is also welcome itt, as well as its ripoffs.
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Thread inspired, in part, due to The Snow Queen CG films from Russia. They started in 2012, so a year before Frozen. There are 5 of them in total, latest one released last year
The first one follows the original story of the fairy tale more closely, the rest vary.
I would guess I am the only one to actually sit through all of them.
>autistic about watching movies in order
>all of these are available except 2
I found them all on Amazon Prime, except number 3 kek
Also do note I never said they were all good films anon. They're often all over the place but they do have nice moments.
Yeah, I've seen the first. It's actually not bad for an off-brand CGI movie.
I don't know why they yank people around on movie series. They've only got the sequel of the 90's 2d one on the free sites.
The early 80's one was just slow enough despite being short I conked out toward the end.
I'd agree, it's not bad. After reading the actual tale, I'd maybe even consider it good. I like how they adapted it and the changes they made actually made sense rather than feeling forced . It's just things like the moment to moment writing that's not as strong.
Kimcartoon probably has the snow queen 2, I found a bunch of them on free movie sites though the quality might leave something to be desired.
If you watch 2 let me know what you think. I couldn't really shake the disappointment that it has almost nothing to do with Kai, Gerda and the Snow Queen for a good while. Half the film I spent waiting for them to show up so I don't know if I was exactly fair on it.
the bandit daughter is still missing from the gisnep adaptation.
I'm going to need to read the original tale tbh. Anyone know where I can find it? Keep coming across simplified versions for kids instead of the original
I can tell you she is in the russian CG films though and she's a fun character when they decide to actually write her
I didn't know about this, sounds like it might be interesting to look into thanks
I'd consider it inspired by the snow queen at the least, and that's all I was looking for as it pertains to the thread
the bandit girl is in a few adaptations. both russian and japanese ones.
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Are the Russian and Japanese ones good films? I've not seen them
The 50s Soviet version is kind of the definitive animated version of the original story. Inspired Hayao Miyazaki to keep going when he was thinking of giving up on animation.
Shit, I'll definitely have to watch it then thanks.
Yeah, I know they're fairy tales and they're short ones at that. But there was just too much of a disparity in what I saw early on
Just read the original book. You'd be better off with that and looking up what movies are based on it, rather than trying to get Cinemaphile's opinion on anything. Around here, you just have the /frz/-core yurifrickers and a bunch of people who saw the Disney movie, and then a small handful who might remember one or two movie titles outside that. You're probably familiar with more than most of Cinemaphile combined.
>Anyone know where I can find it?
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1597
>Keep coming across simplified versions for kids instead of the original
You mean in danish? Try looking up "Snedronningen Hans Christian Andersen" in Google. I found a few results for what seems to be the book for sale, under $10.
I'm surprised at how small the snow queen's role actually is in this. she's manipulative but she's never this catch all villain bringing eternal snow or mass kidnapping. she's sort of just there
Checking a bit further, it looks like this might be the full text in danish. I can't read it, so I have no way of confirming.
>https://www.andersenstories.com/da/andersen_fortaellinger/snedronningen
yes, that's the original
>Keep coming across simplified versions for kids
you do know HCA was a children's writer, right?
It's decently common knowledge, but you might want to look into the concept art Disney made for an unbuilt Snow Queen ride in the 70's if you haven't already. I'm not sure if there is much info regarding the proposed story of the ride, but it makes for neat trivia.
Frozen is not The Snow Queen. It's a new story that very very loosely takes some ideas.
Thank you anon, it's appreciated, I meant in English. It's just that I came across different versions, one seemed a bit dumbed down, as if it was for a younger audience.
Having now read the tale, I can see why Frozen is pretty different from The Snow Queen.
There are ideas it clearly takes, but it's indeed very different yeah. I do remember at one point Elsa was supposed to be the villain, but I'm not sure to what end she was supposed to serve that purpose in Frozen.
In The Snow Queen tale, The Snow Queen herself is left quite mysterious. Her origins and motivations, even her presence are barely in the tale.
I am surprised Snow Queen didn't get more adaptations though. The story seems kind of ripe for adapting, it's a perfect adventure tale starring 2 young characters. Seems to be easily transferrable.
Reading the tale did give me a bit more appreciation for the the Russian CG Snow Queen though. It does follow the story quite closely. It makes some changes, such as making Kai and Gerda outright siblings, and making The Snow Queen a bit more of a sympathetic villain in that she was a bullied child. Although she is more villainous because she traps any and all artists. She also ends up defeated through the use of a mirror which ties into Part 1 of the snow queen fairy tale but none of the rest.
I think one of the five Snow Queen films also makes use of the idea of the broken mirror shattering and spreading shards all over the world that turned people bitter.
I can't remember specifically because I've watched a lot of fairy tale films lately and many of them were awful. I thought pic related would be about the snow queen in some form but it's actually about a green magic dragon
>You'd be better off with that and looking up what movies are based on it, rather than trying to get Cinemaphile's opinion on anything
Honestly I'd sort of hoped for some discussion. I thought Frozen would have made the tale semi popular enough to warrant it.
Can’t beat the goat
If anyone's curious on the Russian CG films, the first one is an adaptation of the tale.
It makes some changes but for the most part follows it closely. I feel like they hit the character of Gerda in these films pretty well, even if she is just an innocent child, her go-getter attitude comes across. It's a fun adventure story. It does make changes by introducing trolls, which funnily enough, Frozen does too despite no trolls being in either Snow Queen tales.
The ending is a bit strange, they "save" the snow queen and the poor girl who became the snow queen due to an evil lake, but the girl never appears again in any film.
The second film is strange in that the portagonist is actually the sidekick troll from the first film. Kai and Gerda are barely in the film, and the snow queen doesn't make an appearance whatsoever. It's a somewhat competent film in its own right, but it can't help but feel a little uninteresting since the sidekick troll was hardly a compelling character you'd clamour to see more of. The story might be the best one they tell (that's not an adaptation), because it's free from other baggage and basically works in isolation.
But it does do a lot in terms of world building for the franchise and a lot of characters in this film are seen in later films.
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The third film gets back to Kai and Gerda and has an interesting setup. Despite saving the world from the snow queen, their lives didn't really change. They're still orphans and they barely make ends meet. They're not happy, Kai wants more. I was very intrigued early on with what direction they'd go here.
It all falls apart because this one is probably what they were working on when Frozen exploded in popularity, since it kind of becomes a cheap frozen knockoff. Gerda herself now gains ice powers and she also falls in love with le dashing hero early in the film only for him to betray her at the end and leave her for dead. It just feels like some exec specified they need to make as much Frozen as they can fit into the world.
Also an interesting character trait for Kai & Gerda is killed because their parents get brought back at the end of the film. Boneheaded decision that cheapens their entire arcs
So then we move on to Snow Queen 4.
This one I would guess had the biggest budget as it seems by far the best produced. While all the others kind of look and sound like knockoffs, this one could pass as a standard western film. Animation is good, voice acting is stellar and on point, even a lot of the writing is strong.
For the voice acting, I think it uses a lot of the same voice actors each film but for some reason, the performances are better in some films and worse in others. I don't know what the cause is, maybe it's just to do with the mixing that makes it seem like that?
I was enjoying this one a lot despite all the retcons and the weak villain.
It goes to shit in the final few moments, where Gerda gets magic dragon powers and saves the day that way. I wish I was joking but nah. The same Gerda who in the Snow Queen fairy tale, her greatest strength is said to be herself and her will, which through the other films they actually manage to carry. It's a theme in this film too, and it would have been a real nice moment of realising your inner strength, as well as being a nice message for the film but nah. Magic dragon powers it is. These powers also disappear for Snow Queen 5 with no explanation. Also Gerda falls for le dashing hero again who comes back and pleas amnesia.
Snow Queen 5 is a bit boring. The formula just feels played out at this point. The Snow Queen has a daughter now who's basically young Elsa. She goes to find Gerda and save the day. Incredibly weak and dull film honestly. I'd guess if the war hampered the development because nothing really lands at all. Some characters aren't even recognisable.
If they make a 6, I might watch it, but the ending of 4 and weakness of 5 plummeted a lot of my interest in the series. It doesn't help pretty much all of them are defeat the evil villain type stories with little variation.
Gods, yes. Tubi's copy of the soviet original is so degraded half of it looks like night scenes. Better to watch it on YT.
Is it on Youtube in full?
I got a few hits that looked like it when I was looking for the other. Trust but verify.
The OG fairytale takes like 2 or 3 hours to read, you might as we read it if you like Frozen shit. Very different from Frozen obviously, and it’s kinda a Christian morality tale behind all the fantasy stuff. Though the actual queen is basically a secondary/tertiary character in it. I’m of the opinion that they should have Anna have 2 kids named after the two MCs of the snow queen
Yeah I went and read it after making the thread, it was worthwhile doing and I don't really know why I didn't do so earlier. It's also made me realise I haven't actually read a lot of the original fairy tales for a bunch of films I like, so maybe I should.
Anna having 2 kids called Kai and Gerda would be a very nice nod honestly, but I think that future is far off. I also don't think it's likely given the films have deviated strongly from The Snow Queen now and taken on their own life.
I do like how one of the key tenants in Frozen, an act of true love melting a frozen heart is largely present in the snow queen though unsaid.
>and here’s our half Native American character, truly she would not stick out around Pocahontas
Did they ever reveal what the original concept for Frozen was before the shift?
If the creative methods at the studio have any similarity to what they were under Walt Disney, there probably was no singular original concept other than being based on the snow queen. I'm mostly familiar with the parks, but they would generally have artists and writers present different often disconnected ideas, figure out what to explore more and what to abandon, and then figure out how they can use the good ideas to fit together into a finished product. Skimming Frozen's wikipedia article it sounds like this was the case with versions popping up and only getting worked on for a few months or years before they were scrapped starting in the 30's until pretty close to when the final version would have been being made.
Ah I see thanks. I just remember a lot about Elsa originally being a villain, but I never heard more of her role in that or what she'd actually do
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Honestly that doesn't sound like a bad film either. It's just that with two villains, one could end up feeling pretty rushed. Making Elsa more of a grey area where she accidentally hurts others works better, although Frozen stilil can feel rushed at points. Rushed is probably the wrong word
Elsa was going to be the primary antagonist for 90% of the movie (she was a b***h because she got stood up at the altar). Anna (a peasant girl, unrelated to Elsa) was going to either be the only one who thought Elsa could be redeemed or for whatever reason tries to get Elsa to stop eternal winter/stop being a b***h. At the end Anna was going to win over Elsa to being a good guy, and together they have to stop Hans / some foreign element from succeeding in a coup of Arendelle
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I mean if I can post Elsa I'll post Elsa
I didn't really like frozen 2 as much, thought it was a bit uninteresting honestly
You're not incorrect, but I appreciate it just for the fact it gave us updated models for Elsa and Anna using better technology than what was available for F1. Sorry, Tangledgays
Sorry about what? Rapunzel being infinitely more cute and the perfect wife? Don't apologize, I'm very happy with the way things are.
Problem is Rapunzel is paired with a man in her movie and that’s a very prominent part of it, so you are kinda a cuck if you like her a lot. Elsa meanwhile doesn’t have a love interest so it’s way easier to waifugay over her. Or you could reverse this and say Elsagays are insecure I suppose
I project myself into Eugene's shoes as she fawns me.
Elsa has less physical flaws, compared to Rapunzel who was going to be more relatable or some shit (they apparently worked on making Flynn/Eugene handsome so that chicks would dig him).
Disney work on making all their characters pretty though
It's like complaining Prince Charmings were dreamy figures or Cinderella is beautiful
I'm just saying, she's got weirder teeth than Elsa.
A shining treasure of the 21st century
She's the best incarnation of anything, really
Elsa is perfect
Anyone know where I can find the Frozen audiodrama for d/l? Been meaning to listen to it for a while
You mean the Forces of Nature podcast?
Is that what it's called? Yeah then I think.
There's a live action Snow Queen film from 2002
I never watched it but skimmed through to see set designs, props, costumes and stuff.
From what I did notice, the Snow Queen abducts a dude and kisses him. She forces him to stay in her palace, but I don't know if it was out of love or what motive. It seemed that way. The dude has what I assume is a gf though, and she looks for him. This is probably Kai and Gerda but I never heard the names.
At one point the snow queen asks if the dude if he ever felt anything like the kiss she gave him, he says no but he's still not keen on being there. Towards the end of the film he's escaping, but he visits a sleeping snow queen and is tempted to kiss her before remembering his gf. I think his escape fails though and it sets up a sequel which I didn't check out at all.
Wonder if anyone has seen it.
heading to sleep, hopefully i'll see the thread still up