>The Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse finally enters the public domain
>All we get is more horror garbage, just like when Winnie entered the public domain
Frick's sake.
>The Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse finally enters the public domain
Big win for everyone. Disneys fricking with this since the 80s has led to a barren wasteland of public domain media.
I couldn't agree more.
Supreme Court should rule that Disney fricking with public domain is a violation of Freedom of Speech. This bullshit is fricking moronic. 95 years after copyright? Should be 75, at a maximum.
>Should be 75, at a maximum.
Should be 20 years. That's more than enough time to do sequels, setup merchandise, and branch out to other forms of media - making the money you deserve from the idea and establishing yourself as the original creator of it.
20 years is zoomer wish fulfillment since they don't make anything original and want to piggy-back off of creators. 50 to 75 years, to gaurantee that it's out of the public trend-pool and people can't rip off the creator by catching the end-wave of a cultural phenomenon. We're only 4 years away from it being 20 years after the MCU started, as a reminder.
>We're only 4 years away from it being 20 years after the MCU started, as a reminder.
Well most of those IPs in the MCU are like 60 years old, so I don't think 'public trend-pool' or 'cultural phenomenon' are a very good argument as anything could have a resurgence, or staying power.
You should have it for long enough to get its worth out of it while not stifling creativity, which 20 years easily covers (and why copyright was originally 14 years, and patents still are 20 years).
Having a shorter life-span on copyright would stifle creativity more since then you'd simply have vultures waiting around for things they liked copyright to expire and then make a bunch of shit off of that.
>and why copyright was originally 14 years
That was also when people only lived to around 60 years old on average.
>That was also when people only lived to around 60 years old on average.
Brainlet who doesn't understand how infant mortality skews thew numbers.
Adjusted for Infant Mortality deaths, the average person lived to the age of around 50 in 1910.
20 years is silent generation wish fulfillment. That's what it was originally
Things are gonna get good in the next decade though. Batman and Superman are close to reaching public domain and all the classic Universal monster material isn't far off either
The Old Dark House is already in the public domain
Give it time
We gave it 95 years of time. How much more time do you want?
I've got an idea for a down-to-earth comedic film adaptation.
Two rival seafaring animals must navigate the perils of the ocean and become unlikely friends along the way. This friendship is tested hower when they both fall in love with a boat passenger, Minnie.
Can the two overcome their differences and get Minnie to her destination?
will there be sex scenes?
Nope. Just a charming little family film.
Think "The Lighthouse" but for kids and instead of a lighthouse it's a steamboat
please put in sex scenes
We have enough degenerate sex scenes in other media.
I want to make a Mickey Mouse that stays truly family friendly and endearing. His personality will be different from the Mickey we know and love but he'll still be loveable
I want more degenerate sex scenes
you could have done that anytime in the last 50 years cause it would have fallen under the definition of parody
There's people making a shooter in the style of cuphead, looks interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZAVznVPMh8
niccccccce
Making anything else would require more money.
It takes time.
>just like when Winnie entered the public domain
Winnie the pooh is getting an animated movie and TV show later this year btw. Origin story when all the animals were kids. And there's also an adult comedy about C Robins being a druggy in the works too.
>And there's also an adult comedy about C Robins being a druggy in the works too.
That's sad
Nintendo should put Mickey Mouse in Smash Bros. now. Damn that would be based
New micky is still copy right the micky logo is copyright and trademarked
Steam boat willie is public domain, people are trying hard to make it a thing
Its nothing
Steamboat willie isn't even our zeitgeist, its just means tattoo shops get some clipart of a cartoon from the 1920s
yeah, it's an entirely separate entity
Mickey Mouse is lame. Only gay, feminine kids watched Mickey Mouse Club House or whatever the frick. Propped up by a theme park that only exists for moms. Warner Brothers has the superior toons.
>Warner Brothers has the superior toons.
True and based, I was always a Warner Chad growing up watching things like Animaniacs (the superior original version), Tiny Toon Adventures, Space Jam, etc. I even have a VHS of old Bugs Bunny cartoons, including a cartoon where Bugs Bunny is on a plane fighting a gremlin (if I remember correctly). The only thing I don't like about the Warner cartoons is Lola being introduced as recently (relatively speaking, of course) as 1996. Lola should have been introduced back when Bugs Bunny was introduced. Bugs should have had his own b***h right from the start, just like Mickey had Minnie right from the start.
What the frick do you guys even want from Mickey? He's lame as frick.
Is that dude who got annihilated for making that Air Pirates comic still around?
He could probably release a 50th anniversary edition now. Get it animated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Pirates
Yep, he's still around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_O'Neill
Dan is interviewed in this doc about it starting at 43:15
He's a cartoon mouse. His only value is in being the face of the Disney brand.
That's why looney toons and popeye were better than mickey slop. Literally soft cartoons for soft men. Walt even prided himself in saying that his cartoons would pass the censor boards because they didn't have any "naughty" content.
Walt was a Ned Flanders
I know, they even look alike
Do you think it was going to be any different?
You know people could actually use Winnie even before Disney's version went PD?
If anyone had any good stories involving a cartoon rat they would have released them already by now without involving the Disney's creation.
It's in public domain. YOU can make a movie with it right now if you
Make a film similar to jungle cruise
What were you expecting? It's most likely gonna be used up the most for knockoff merch
There's nothing the public can do that's worse than what the satanic Disney corporation does with him.
so? what better way to shit on disney's possessiveness? legit steamboat willie movies will come soon enough, it's just that this horror shlock is cheaper and faster to make. have faith... it's a good day for the good guys
Disney is right up there as one of the most evil companies of all time. Why do the US government give them so much control over their laws?
It's still a legal minefield to try and use the Mickey Mouse character in anything. Disney I'm sure has a team of lawyers just waiting to sue anyone who doesn't use the exact version now legally available
Putting together what's in the public domain, the first 5 of those are fine.
Really the only thing that's not is the modern eyes, but that's such a small change it could be argued in court that it's not transformative enough. Of course Disney would throw all the lawyers and money they have left trying to defend that so no one in their right mind will bother challenging it.
>Really the only thing that's not is the modern eyes
Maybe worth noting that Mickey has had those old pie/pacman eyes for like the last 10 years in all the actual cartoons. So it's not even really 'modern mickey' that's totally different, more like just 'mascot mickey'.
Does anybody actually watch these cartoons, or does Disney make them at a loss purely to retain the trademark on Mickey Mouse?
Honestly, does anybody even care about Mickey any more, other than 22 year old Chinese girls?
They do pretty good numbers on youtube, and the first one got a couple million viewers per episode on TV when it started - though dropped sub million in later seasons, and the last show was just put on D+.
>Does anybody actually watch these cartoons
Young children. Disney follows, with its IP, the old GM approach to cars; a car for every stage of a man's life. They hook you in early with Mickey, then as you grow up a little they get you with Marvel and Star Wars. Eventually you're an adult and you're watching ESPN and the ABC news, you're taking your family on vacation to Disney World and going to see Pixar movies that are fun for the whole family. When the kids move out and you're retired you join the Disney Vacation Club and go to a bunch of seemingly unrelated to Disney vacation spots that are actually owned and operated by Disney. The reason you aren't seeing Mickey is because you aren't a child under the age of 7. It's not being targeted at you.
>Donald has pie/modern hybrid eyes
>Goofy has modern eyes
good things take time. shitty cash grab horror movies don't.
kek i thought i was the only one who thought it was cringe that people think to only make horror when shit like this happens
How fricking impatient are you that you expect quality stuff to be made INSTANTLY after it becomes public domain? Like it's been a week and you're acting like you've been waiting forever. Jesus Christ. Instant gratification has fried your brain.
Tough shit Razorgay. Maybe make some good Mickey content of your own to counter balance it.
This is very different. Do you know how many animation studios around the world are making Mickey cartoons at the moment. Kino will come from it, just wait.
Mickey is a much bigger deal than Winnie the Pooh and comic book characters.
Merchandise too. Mickey merch will be everywhere.
This is what I never understood about the "IP is killing creativity" people. Why is it so important that people outside of Disney get to make shitty Mickey Mouse knockoffs?
The Legacy of Iger's Disney:
>Lose district autonomy for Disneyworld because of your pissing match with the Florida Governor.
>Lose Mickey Mouse copyright.
>Republicans start talking about reverting Copyright law back to the 1968 rules because you pissed them off so much.
>The Liberal writers you hired go on strike anyways.
>Elon goes on live television and literally tells you to go frick yourself.
>Marvel has peaked.
>Star Wars is done.
>Interest rates are getting higher and higher, so the acquisition led growth strategy is done.
>Box office crown snatched up by Universal.
Grim
Universal wasn't chasing the woke monstrosity.
Disney themselves are paying to pump out these awful public domain shlock garbage entirely to sway public opinion that public domain is awful for their next attempt to extend copyright. They're doing it with Steamboat Willie right now, just like they did it with Winnie the Pooh.
The problem is that it's working. You can see so many people reacting negatively to the shitty cashgrab horror movies that Disney is supporting and/or 'allowing' to go through that they are just going to sweep the next attempt to extend Copyright. They can already pay their way through the government like nothing, the only thing stopping them is public backlash, which is already turning on Public Domain.
Why does anyone care what the frick happens to public domain material?
It boggles my mind that people care that others are going to create porn and horror schlock with it. Literally who gives a shit? Make your own stuff and care about that.
Mickey and Pooh aren't wealths of creative interpretations. Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain and I'm more surprised we haven't had new mysteries made by new authors.
I mean, what else can you really do with Steamboat Willie?
What do you understand "Public domain" to mean, exactly
It's been 3 days, the point is that it's now available to be used in perpetuity by anyone who wants to, so some day someone could use it in an interesting and creative way. The fact that some of the first things out of the gate are hack jobs doesn't detract from the potential going forward, and it's not as though the people making a cheap horror game had the capability to make real art if they chose to anyway
>so some day someone could use it in an interesting and creative way.
they won't
It's literally the second day.
>why won't people with talent make something interesting with an old IP
because if they had talent they'd do something original
>why don't they spend money on a movie instead of a cheap ass horror movie?
because ITS PUBLIC DOMAIN so its not worth jack shit
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