Most contrived tragedy I've seen >six die in boating accident >one day of coverage >six die in boating accident, but billionaires >it gets as much coverage as Ukraine
I genuinely cared less when I found out they were elites
>glue
What do you think those viewing windows are held in by and sealed with on the 'professional' submersibles?
PROTIP: Araldite.
Obviously they use the most appropriate type for the temperature and conditions, the best grade possible, and follow the prep instructions better than you do at home, also checking for air cavities and shit after the fact. Also sealed by the geometry where the pressure pushes it into the conical porthole even harder the more pressure it's under, but the point is there are no mystical magical materials the professionals have access to that this dickhead didn't.
That's why he didn't just die the first time he dropped it in the drink. It was just a fundamentally flawed design where he was blasé about double-checking for imperfections before and in-between dives, or the fact that repeated cycles would surely create them.
they keep saying it is because he used carbon fiber and that's like hard to test or something like you need to be able to test the material you use thoroughly and it is like hard to test carbon fiber for weaknesses or something
It's containing expansion it's good at I surmise? Cameron said it's used very well in spacecraft and things like scuba diving tanks.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yep. Too bad they didn't just reverse engineer the atoms so that it would work the opposite way.
10 months ago
Anonymous
why didn't they just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Even carbon scuba tanks have a limited life cycle. You have to trash them or they will explode eventually.
10 months ago
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Basically carbon fiber is stronger than steel in most respects, and much lighter, but when you push it too far, it doesn't bend, or compress—it snaps. And that makes the chance of catastrophic failure much higher.
To get around this, carbon fiber is usually made into a composite material where the fibers are set in a resin matrix that's more malleable. The composite materials compress at different rates under pressure, though. That means that the matrix sustains microscopic damage every time you squeeze it.
There's also a fundamental difference between spacecraft, which have to contain one atmosphere, and submarines, which need to keep hundreds out. It's just a much more challenging engineering problem.
Case in point: About the level of understanding you're getting from e-engineers saying 'muh glue' and trying to parrot shit they don't understand from people who do.
If you don't even understand the properties of carbon fibre and why they'd be an issue in this context, and oversimplify any adhesive to 'glue' as if that's automatically a problem and/or ACTUALLY BELIEVE he was using some kind of shitty paper glue or some shit like that, you need to pipe down.
You obviously want to minimise any joins or holes in the hull, but you're obviously going to be running wiring for the motors and shit. That means you're going to be using other materials and compounds at some point either way, that some clueless media/internet dickhead could oversimplify as a 'not professional' material, (even though you'd be surprised by how often very familiar household shit is used in all manner of 'professional' situations).
tl;dr: It's not what materials were used, it's how they used them.
when I saw the meme sub with all those screw inserts on the shell I laughed because something like that is just asking for trouble with deep sea exploration.
They made the hull out of 5 inch thick carbon fiber so they couldn't truly check it for issues with structural integrity, and they were essentially only able to detect issues with it if said issues were currently happening.
For example, it's believed that they were alerted of something wrong during the fatal dive, tried to surface, and imploded.
Oh is it limiting factor that he owns? I thought it was something else. I think he just technically owns the company that owns the sub, but has nothing to do with it personally (would he even fit?)
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah he definitely doesn't go in it, he owns the company and I assume is interested in deep sea exploration cuz otherwise why buy it.
The vessel the pilot sits in is a sphere, it's the safest shape it can be
10 months ago
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ah fair enough, that makes sense.
10 months ago
Anonymous
ah fair enough, that makes sense.
they're all spheres with a weird shape around it holding batteries and ballast and additional stuff which can withstand the pressure on its own - except this titan turd of course.
10 months ago
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Such a sexy design. Imagine being that fatass, he makes free money from CS skin market and actually owns this beauty.
10 months ago
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He makes free money from every game sold on Steam, which is most games sold on PC.
The cabin needs to be a sphere because a sphere supports itself from every angle due to the integrity being equalised. That's why they're serious as shit about making it a perfect sphere so the pressure is distributed evenly.
>What do you think those viewing windows are held in by and sealed with on the 'professional' submersibles? >PROTIP: Araldite.
lol another expert r*dditor. No, they are reinforced with plates bolted into the hull you idiot. You really think glue is going to hold the weight of one of those windows when the sub is being hoisted in and out of the water?
>another expert >they are reinforced with plates bolted into the hull you idiot
Newsflash by moron: You can just 'bolt' two solid dissimilar materials together with no interface material whatsoever and it will hold pressure at 12,000 feet with no water ingress. I don't even need to demonstrate how stupid such a statement is, just isolate it, and let people think for two seconds about it.
>You really think glue
'muh glue'
Thanks for proving the exact point I was making above.
The rest of your post gets even more obviously clueless. Hoisted by the windows? le wut? kys
You said a bunch of shit but didn't explain the real reason this design was shit: the differences in thermal deformation between titanium and carbon fibre is what makes this a big no-no. The glue likely wasn't a problem in itself.
Also, apparently Oceangate actually purchased old carbon fibre from Boeing which was sold at a discount because it was no longer deemed suitable for sensitive uses.
it's not even an accident, it's just them being moronic. aside from the one kid who was dragged along and the workers I couldn't care less that these people died.
The pakistani family got the chance without anywhere near as much time to think about it as the other passengers because a prior father and dad cancelled after researching more (Stockton even offered that family a $100k discount per person to go anyway because of how late they were trying to cancel). The 19 year old didn't want to go, but he was afraid he'd be disappointing his father on father's day. 🙁
No that was the stepson off the billionaire who died
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No, it was a completely different family who cancelled both their reservations. They have an interview with Inside Edition talking about it.
They cancelled because they became concerned for the safety of the operation and Stockton responded saying it was stupid to be afraid of an accident, claiming it was very safe. They show text messages in the video.
No, it was a completely different family who cancelled both their reservations. They have an interview with Inside Edition talking about it.
They cancelled because they became concerned for the safety of the operation and Stockton responded saying it was stupid to be afraid of an accident, claiming it was very safe. They show text messages in the video.
legitimately tragic end for the kid... and the frenchman but atleast the frenchie died doing what he loved. rest I don't care, CEO is rotting in hell at this moment.
Yup, it's been mentioned that they tried to surface after encountering an issue, most likely heard the sub begin to delaminate, and imploded afterwards. I hope the time this all occurred in was quick enough that the kid didn't start crying.
RIP to him and the French Titanic expert. I'm convinced the expert eventually wanted to die near the Titanic. He'd even been onboard the Titan submersible once before and told a relative that he might not make it back before going on that prior expedition.
10 months ago
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>RIP to him and the French Titanic expert. I'm convinced the expert eventually wanted to die near the Titanic.
Damn maybe he caused the implosion deliberately. Imagine the kino.
10 months ago
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> He reveals his master plan to the crew in the final moments before they get imploded.
10 months ago
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Au revoir suckers! >Gives the fatigued hull a good solid thump, causing total structural collapse
> submarine expeditions are just so fricking common
It’s not international news 24/7 on merit you moronic jurno wienersucker. Imagine defending this dogshit
It was conveniently timed during Hunter's slap on the wrist, but the simple fact is that people have been yearning for a little adventure tragedy news story which doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Real life is too depressing and it was fun to pretend for a few days that these poor guys might get rescued but aw shucks the thing imploded so that's that. Simple, done. A couple of people died (or so it seems) but life goes on.
I have a distinct memory of being a kid and watching the news during the summer of 2001. Absolutely fricking nothing was going on. Everything was going great. It was so wonderfully boring. Would that it could have stayed that way forever. All they could report on were a few random shark attacks on the coasts, cute little tragedy stories like this. Then things changed, and got worse (facebook, iphone, recession), and worse (covid panic), and worse(ukraine...
Are you a moron or a 3rd worlder? That period of time is PRECISELY when the media machine in the United States caught on fire. Zika virus, ebola, gaymer gayte, leadup to the 2016 election, the 2016 election itself
>maritime tragedy + refugees
Jails the women and minorities trying to help >maritime tragedy + billionares
Multiple countries mobilize every fricking resource they've got
This
For every 500 migrants that sink, there 5,000+ right behind them trying to do the same thing. Making a sub and having it available for consumers to use is a rare event.
>”migrant rescue”
She was parking the boat a stone’s throw away from the Libyan coast and enabling human trafficking. It’s not a “rescue” if they have a time table to show up and scuttle the boat where you can pick them up is it?
Just start your own “rescue” service where pajeets pay 200 dollars and plane tickets to come live in your country then.
First off dipshit, the search was done ONLY by the American coast guard. Secondly, the incident happened in international waters and the sub had citizens of MULTIPLE countries aboard. The sub departed from the US hence the coast guard.
The search hardly used “every fricking resource they got”.
Also two of the people aboard the sub you claim the world was looking for instead of helping minorities, were Pakistani you racist piece of shit. You know, minorities?
But please, by all means continue your delusional b***h crying.
1. frick those morons that died on the sub, they were either too rich or racist
2. every single one of those migrants is a deadbeat piece of shit looking for free shit from white people
the world is a better place without all of them
Commie homosexuals saying 'muh rich people' about this don't even realise a bunch of poorgay Black folk in Africa would be using the same logic when it comes to Americans dying in car accidents.
Also, Commies never take into account the fact that someone who was a poorgay all their life could win the lotto and their one dream is to do some dumb shit like this with the money. Would they deserve it?
If I gave you a million dollars I guarantee I'd think whatever you spent it on was stupid as frick, and I would never spend a million dollars on that shit, and vice versa.
It's just thinking you know better, and envy bullshit.
It's like some lonesome loser kissless virgin hating you because you have a hot wife and good family, not ever realising you used to be a lonesome loser kissless virgin with no girlfriend, who got a clue, put the internet down, started lifting, and chaded up. You're just assumed to be evil because you don't suck like them, and they don't think you deserve it.
If these Commies ever fully get their way, I want to hear what the last blue collar gay who won the lottery the day before has to say about it.
>Commie homosexuals saying 'muh rich people' about this don't even realise a bunch of poorgay Black folk in Africa would be using the same logic when it comes to Americans dying in car accidents.
And why should I care what they think? >Also, Commies never take into account the fact that someone who was a poorgay all their life could win the lotto and their one dream is to do some dumb shit like this with the money. Would they deserve it?
Anyone who pays a quarter of a million dollars to descend to 4000m in a shitty homemade submarine - created by a guy who thinks safety is a hindrance - does deserve to die in the death trap they willingly entered. Hell, even if it was free they'd deserve it. Either they understood the risk and went anyway, or they were too moronic to realize that a $20,000 submarine built by a cost-cutting, safety-dismissing moron would be unsafe.
I really don't think the people getting into it understood. Most people have very limited technical knowledge and can't make independent assessments. Just look at the whole Theranos thing which turned into a 10 billion dollar company because rich people couldn't figure out that startups are supposed to lie, let alone that a drop of capillary blood will never provide valuable diagnostics.
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I think most of them just assumed he knew what he was doing, after all the CEO of the company wouldn't get on a submarine that he knew was unsafe right? They just didn't count on him being a complete moron.
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I think most of them just assumed he knew what he was doing, after all the CEO of the company wouldn't get on a submarine that he knew was unsafe right? They just didn't count on him being a complete moron.
I'm not going to be sad when 5 morons die by being morons. If you're going to do something dangerous (and diving to a depth where the pressure is over 300 atmospheres is dangerous no matter the submarine) you should understand the potential risks, such as whether or not the submarine will kill you. People who cannot understand risk are genuinely moronic.
you are the sperg samegay who keeps typing 5 paragraph long posts about how people arent smart enough to be talking about this and crying about the glue comments >Would they deserve it?
Yes
>super rich capitalist spend their time building mediocre submarines >meanwhile a self-proclaimed leftist cabal of government and corporate origins pushes for all the things leftist say are the big issues. (except of course big corporation and big government being an issue)
>migrant rescue >parking her boat within visual distance of the north african coast and then filling it up and sailing directly to the european side over and over
Why don't they say what she was actually doing?
Most contrived tragedy I've seen >six die in boating accident >one day of coverage >six die in boating accident, but billionaires >it gets as much coverage as Ukraine
I genuinely cared less when I found out they were elites
no one cares about illegal shitskins, most people in Greece embraced the news as a good thing and celebrated it.
Well, there's a bit of a difference between people who are not from your country and who are breaking the laws of your country, and taxpayers from your country in need of help, don't you think?
Nice try, homosexual. What that article is calling a "migrant rescue effort" was (and still is) actually a well organized human trafficking operation, collaborating with known criminal groups the other side of the Med.
If the leaders of our countries still had balls, people like Pia Klemp would have been executed a while ago.
>”migrant rescue”
She was parking the boat a stone’s throw away from the Libyan coast and enabling human trafficking. It’s not a “rescue” if they have a time table to show up and scuttle the boat where you can pick them up is it?
Just start your own “rescue” service where pajeets pay 200 dollars and plane tickets to come live in your country then.
>migrant rescue >parking her boat within visual distance of the north african coast and then filling it up and sailing directly to the european side over and over
Why don't they say what she was actually doing?
Sh-she colluded with the smug-ACK >Our analysis suggests that the Iuventa crew did not return empty boats to smugglers, as they were accused of having done. Nor do they appear to communicate with anyone potentially connected with smuggling networks, as the Italian authorities suggested they had.
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-seizure-of-the-iuventa
Well, there's a bit of a difference between people who are not from your country and who are breaking the laws of your country, and taxpayers from your country in need of help, don't you think?
I mean the poop skins drowning trying to flood the country happens all the time it was cut and dry whereas what made the sub thing interesting is waiting for the outcome and the details of things involving it up until the conclusion
If you cannot understand why stories like these are gripping, you're an idiot. Eccentric billionaires, scary concepts (trapped underwater, implosions), shortcuts and greed, mystery and the unknowns, hubris.
If we would have simply heard about a good sub imploding by an unfortunate accident only, it'd be forgotten tomorrow.
Think you stupid moron, THINK. You're not special because you don't give a shit.
This, so much this. News tried so hard to make us care about some fricking billionaire cis white men getting what they deserve. Makes my heart warm the whole internet came together to laugh at these worthless fricks
>Crazy story about an insane guy taking billionaires to see the Titanic in his tiny home-made submarine that he controls with a fricking video game controller. Days of uncertainty ends in spectacular fashion with all of them dying in a horrific and unusual way.
vs >Refugees died fleeing war...
Which one sounds more interesting? Contrived my ass.
This was literally a famous feature of the Syrian civil war. Low troop numbers on every side because most Syrians are Sunni, hate Assad and don't want to fight for the Shia dominated government, but also the western-backed opposition were all Jihadi ISIS types that got labelled "moderates" by CNN for PR reasons such that any half-sane Sunni didn't want to touch with a 20 foot pole either, let alone fight for them.
The Syrian civil war was like a US Civil War where it was the 5 percent most pro-democrat, "I'm with her" out of touch segment of the population versus QAnon uncles and groypers but they have all the heavy weaponry between them so the other 90 percent of the population is just left to try and get the frick away from the fallout.
it's the novelty more than them being billionaires, the whole "trapped at the bottom of the ocean with X many hours to live" was exciting and unprecedented
you're a moron, it gets attention because its highly unusual. It has nothing to do with them being billionaires they could be thirdies it doesn't matter because they are fricking 12,000 leagues below the ocean
I am so tired of lefty morons like you that totally forgot about the Thai cave kids and the Chilean miners. Every time there's a bunch of people stuck somewhere with a rescue operation people eat that shit up. Do you even think about these things for longer than the five seconds it takes for you to formulate an angry post about white people?
They died in a way that only a handful of people have ever died. Even the other submarine implosions wouldn't have been quite like this. This is the only super deep sea submarine implosion that's ever happened. It's possible they're the only 5 people to ever die exactly like this.
It was the prospect of them being trapped in an underwater grave for four days and the race against time that was exciting. Then it turns out they imploded in less than a second and it lost much steam. Now only the memes remain.
only leftards think it got coverage because muh billionaries
it became a big story because it's a unconventional and adventurous.. much like tragedies in space
also the mystery aspect (which was completely fabricated, everyone in the know already knew they were dead..)
i only started caring once I learned about their pajeet engineering skills.
Like accidents aren't funny, but corner cutting, boasting about corner cutting and pajeet tier engineering makes it seem like karmic justice.
the migrants were already dead and survivors rescued, the missing sub was still in progress. Plus fricking moronic migrants sink their boats every week. How often does a sub full of idiots disappear while diving to the titanic?
>moronic refugees make a shitty boat and die relatively quickly from just exhaustion at sea >billionnaires make their own submarine and potentially may have had a fate worse then death by slowly suffocating to death over a period of 3 days on a tight space
This. Either this was staged to draw our attention away from something or a bunch of rich morons killed themselves for no reason. Don't care either way.
Even though Cameron lost a colleague from this he still can't keep the smugness out of his replies
"Yeah I said this piece of crap would implode and it did"
"Yeah I designed a sub which went three times deeper and it worked perfectly"
Could a nondocumentary feature film be made about this? Covering Rush and his homosexualry and how his moronation led to this? Or would no one want to touch it for fear of it being seen as in poor taste?
Whom would you cast as the Cinemaphileirgin fatass that saved his and his dad's lives by pulling out of the trip? Whom should you cast as the moron CEO that thought he was way smarter than he actually was and figured he could win the dad and his son over by flying to Vegas on his own experimental two-seater plane because he was moronic enough to think that would work, as if real life were a movie and he were the Main Character? Whom would you cast as Cameron, the actual Main Character?
I think the abrupt nature of their deaths is more of a problem than it being in poor taste. It just makes it very difficult to structure a narrative, comedically or dramatically, if they die in millose onds with little to no warning.
I meant more something focusing on the crazy CEO, the people that tried to warn him, and the people he killed with his idiocy. I mean one of the guys on board was one of the first discoverers of the titanic itself. That's kino as hell.
Easy slam dunk with the right cast and director. Skip the implosion part for the sake of the story. Have a buildup at the beginning where the CEO is designing the thing, make him seem competent but smug in his competency. Not quite a villain but just a hubristic character. Flesh out the families a little bit, lay down some character arcs (that just get obviously cut short) like family drama, reconciliation between father and son, you know the crap. Then the meat and potatoes of the film is them embarking, them realizing there's a problem, the ocean floor scuttling, a self recovery effort. They're at the bottom of the ocean and the important parts of the film focus on them slowly going crazy in the tube, everyone has different levels of resolve in the face of the inevitable, everyone takes turns trying to keep the group in tact before breaking, finish with the CEO who simply refuses to believe they're fricked so badly. Invent a character to follow the surface plot, like an Elon Musk caricature, someone with money who intends to capitalize on the media circus and quickly tries to explore options on rescue. Have him fail each time he explores a new option, to emphasize the stupidity of the sub's design and the futility of the situation. So like: no, they can't self recover, they don't have ballast or manual controls. No, we can't drop a cable, the shit doesn't exist. No, we can't send another sub, it doesn't exist. No, we can't dislodge them, we can't even find them. Intercut everything with news breaks that capture the general reaction to these kinds of things as a commentary on how we live tragedy, then juxtapose it with the reality of their horrible deaths in the cold dark coffin tube. Last shots are of everyone in the tube slowly just going to sleep and not getting up, one by one, until it's just the CEO tap-tap-tapping on the "bulkhead" before he too just dies of hunger and C02 poisoning.
People are saying death would be instantaneous, but is it not possible for enough space to be left inside the submarine to leave a person's torso and head intact, so they have a few seconds to process what happened?
No. You simply don’t understand how much pressure 400 atmospheres worth is. Take your average shitbox sedan, stand it up on its front bumper, and sit underneath it. Now imagine that’s only on one square inch of your body, and every other square inch has another shitbox resting on it. Now imagine that this happened suddenly and it’s blunt impact rather than slowly lowering the weight. Investigators will be lucky to find a single intact bone in the wreckage
Under no circumstances would a void of survivable pressure exist after an implosion at that depth. The death capsule they were in was mostly made of a material that shatters when it fails, so any crack means near instantaneous complete destruction of the vessel and everything inside. You'd honestly have a hard time designing a faster way to have a nice day and a handful of billionaires short of being within spitting distance of nuclear detonation.
You are hit by water moving at 400 m/s, the exterior hull that was just compacted inward by said water, and at the same time the interior air of the sub instantaneously ignites into a fireball that can melt steel.
In short no, there isn't room for your intact head and torso.
y'know, I for one thank our moronic billionaire overlords for at least providing the opportunity to encourage learning about ultra-deep-sea submersibles, and how not to build them.
If only you knew where this rabbit hole went.
The guy tried to out bid cameron for the deep challenger dive with his design and was laughed out of the room for being a moron.
He went onto build his moron boat and told Boeing engineers that they were wrong about their B grade carbon fiber strength, Boeing now deny all knowledge of the morons suicide dive and deny ever even working on the death boat which they helped his inexperienced team of post grads assemble.
After being shown a presentation by the senior materials engineer of how the structure of carbon fiber fricking shatters without any warning after repeated stress events and how metal alloys do not so you should like totally replace the vessels hull every single dive bro, that moron fired him and said "na na its cool, i can just listen for any stress fractures with a $25 Logitech headset."
Now he is a compressed paste at the bottom of the ocean mixed with 4 other dudes forever. Pretty gay.
>"What happened here is, while pretty hard to imagine, it’s like being inside a bomb that’s exploding. You are in the core of explosion, rather than at any external point of reference. They got vaporized instantly”.
>get decompressed so hard it blows the fat lipids OUT of your blood and you die from the remainder of your blood boiling in an instant
OR >get all that but also get blown through a small opening a couple of inches wide at the same time, being manually turned into salsa in the process
>Byford Dolphin
The guy that got sucked through the door? I think I'd rather be instantly vaporized than be squeezed through a crack and have my organs ejected
That was the unlucky one who was in the process of closing the door when the clamp failed, and got hit directly with the most pressure change. There were three other divers in the chambers who died from their blood boiling instantaneously (autopsy actually found fatty lipids in their remains because the rapid boiling had rendered the normally dissolved fat insoluble). It also killed one of the attending divers when the diving bell was blown away from the door and struck him.
The nipple controller doesn't seem that bad. The problem was the carbon fiber, which is a known no-no. This guy wanted to ignore conventions to be "innovative"
The fact that it is wireless is just moronic. It's one thing to repurpose an interface, other industries do that as well, but if multiplayer gamers don't trust a wireless controller for lag in their online games, why would you trust one to pilot your submersible? Everywhere is something like that. Bragging about the lights being from Camping World, bragging about using an off the shelf 2010 Logitech controller, the flouting of rules, regulations and long held conventional wisdom about deep sea diving seemed almost the point for this goober. Like all these NERDS with their safety checklists were just wasting time, let's get some cash flowing from tourists already.
There is no innovation here, this is just going against literal physics like a moron. Either implosion or sub had to be rehulled after every submerging. No other way.
This Oceangate fricker didn’t have permit to bring passengers to his sub, this was all borderline illegal. You can do what the frick you want if it’s just you (like Cameron did) but this was suicide pact in the making.
Absolutely every statement this guy seems to have made publicly about his company and his philosophy involves whining about safety regulations and procedure checklists, and how they're ruining commercial "innovation" with supposedly needless precautions. Well turns out all these precautions and checklists by sub designers are the reason they didn't have any deaths in research or exploratory subs in all these decades of use, until this guy dies in his pipe sub.
This is the FIRST ever implosion in deep submerging tourism. Ever, it never happened before - because the actual concept is relatively simple and it shouldn’t fail you as long as you trust physics and check your equipment.
There are always two subs too, one as a back up to help the first one.
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Anonymous
"The entire submarine imploding" should really not be high on your list of possible risks. "Losing communications with the operators", or "Problems with thrusters" or "Instruments giving faults", sure, all possibilities you'll inevitably have to be wary of in testing and field dives no matter how well thought out your sub is.
If your biggest risk assessed is "The entire sub might be destroyed instantly if we dive to the intended depth", I think your sub is not ready to go in the water and you should go back to the drawing board..
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>"Losing communications with the operators", or "Problems with thrusters" or "Instruments giving faults", sure, all possibilities you'll inevitably have to be wary of in testing and field dives no matter how well thought out your sub is.
funny enough the titan also experienced all these previously
They weren't any other companies that offered submarine trips for tourists, deep sea diving is still experimental and mostly done by private individuals. No company was willing to risk the potential lawsuits.
>mostly done by private individuals
That quite actually, in fact it's pretty rare among private individuals, it's normally done by research institutions with assistance from governments.
And remember cameron's sub was a one-seater experimental that he himself said he wouldn't let people dive in it that weren't him or his engineer buddy who designed it together.
Oceangate is a commercial-ish operation. Even if you take a weeklong cruise on a sailboat you get safety briefs and emergency equipment is all over the place.
What I don't get is how shitty the sub looks and how cramped it is, like if you some rich guy trying to get other rich guys to pay for this wouldn't you make it some kind of luxury submarine with like a wine bar and shit.
You can make a sub like that but it's not going very far underwater. The Titanic and other shipwrecks are miles underwater on the seabed. That's a lot of pressure a hull needs to withstand.
Uh the big bar on the front right, that looks like it definitely is holding the whole thing together, a little elbow grease will have her right up on the beach in time for tea.
Well the sub imploded and they were pulped into nothing in a millisecond. Not even enough time for their brain to register a signal of "That's some pressure you're feeling".
Well it was the issue but it was less a case of there not being enough oxygen to fill the lungs and more there not being enough lungs to put any oxygen in.
And remember cameron's sub was a one-seater experimental that he himself said he wouldn't let people dive in it that weren't him or his engineer buddy who designed it together.
Oceangate is a commercial-ish operation. Even if you take a weeklong cruise on a sailboat you get safety briefs and emergency equipment is all over the place.
Well yeah but Cameron also said if you're relying on safety equipment and alarms in the moment, you're doing it wrong.
Watch him again, he's specifically talking about an audio sensor used on the oceangate sub that supposedly warned them of a hull breakup.
The reason he says it's moronic is because oceangate uses a composite hull. Said composite can crack inside the matrix, meaning it can't be detected by a visual inspection like a steel hull, meaning you can't establish the seaworthiness of the sub before diving.
Allegedly the reason given by oceangate is that there's no equipment available that would allow for a penetrating scan of a sub this size. (CT scan, ultrasonics whatever)
Which I find hard to believe given modern airliners like the 787 are also made out of composites and are regularly scanned because their airworthiness depends on the load capacity of the composite.
TL;DR: composites can deterioriate invisibly and require more maintenance effort than steel hulls. having a warning bell is no suitable substitute for maintenance efforts.
thats the funniest part. he didn't break regulations because they don't really exist.
He broke fundamental engineering principles. While Jim Cameron argues about the material science behind choosing a titanium washer or stainless steel washer in his sub, this guy just goes in and says "Washers? Just use cap head screws bro"
Like none of what I said about composites is bleeding edge science. The problem of not being able to look inside a composite matrix is not new or unique to submarines.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They could have inspected the hull integrity, they just didn't want to pay for it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That is at least extremely likely. Just looking around at a local marina most recreational vessels are also composite fiberglass construction. I would consider it extremely weird if there weren't any hand-held scanners or testing equipment available for marine use. Even a substandard solution would be better than nothing. and again, all of this would be unnecessary if they just went with a big ol' steel tube in the first place. You could then just look at the hull with the mk 2 eyeball and see a deformation and go "yeah no I'm not taking this thing down thanks"
10 months ago
Anonymous
He bragged about getting things for cheap, off the shelf. Lights from Camping World. Controller from Logitech. Used carbon fiber. Etc.
gotta cut a few corners to make a few bucks my man. what's the worst that could happen
You guys laugh. But if it worked, he'd be the one laughing... all the way to the bank!
10 months ago
Anonymous
the blood bank?
10 months ago
Anonymous
He already was.
Until the next time. or the time after that maybe...
He was definitely in the wrong field for his skillset. I think he's also somewhat oppositional defiant and many people die prematurely because of that personality trait.
that is precisely why his design was moronic. the crew had no way to tell if the last dive damaged the hull. the acoustic sensor thing is double moronic because it would kind of make sense on a steel hull where you could knock on it and if it sounds different you could reasonably estimate damage. meanwhile any sound wave inside a composite matrix will distort the return as the matrix resonates differently at different angles whereas the sandwich resonantes differently. then the fibres are aligned, so depending on the direction any sound return you could listen to or check with a computer model would yield vastly different results.
How deep did they get before the implosion? Watching this mexican guys video about it is kinda surreal, did the sub slowly get worn down with repeated expeditions?
> did the sub slowly get worn down with repeated expeditions?
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Yes, as you go up and down the pressure differential wears on the hull. That is normal and expected. It's also why submarines and airplane hulls are built to withstand that pressure.
Problem here is this
Watch him again, he's specifically talking about an audio sensor used on the oceangate sub that supposedly warned them of a hull breakup.
The reason he says it's moronic is because oceangate uses a composite hull. Said composite can crack inside the matrix, meaning it can't be detected by a visual inspection like a steel hull, meaning you can't establish the seaworthiness of the sub before diving.
Allegedly the reason given by oceangate is that there's no equipment available that would allow for a penetrating scan of a sub this size. (CT scan, ultrasonics whatever)
Which I find hard to believe given modern airliners like the 787 are also made out of composites and are regularly scanned because their airworthiness depends on the load capacity of the composite.
TL;DR: composites can deterioriate invisibly and require more maintenance effort than steel hulls. having a warning bell is no suitable substitute for maintenance efforts.
. If you can't look at the wear and tear of the hull, you can't establish if the next dive can be completed successfully. It's like trying to find out if you have enough oil in your car without checking the dipstick or pulling the drain plug. Yes, eventually your warning lights will tell you that you started your roadtrip without enough oil.
Jimbo is so fricking based dabbing on these morons >yeah i told them that thing is gonna kill somebody years ago but I couldn't be bothered warning the passengers because I wanted a told you so moment >oh yeah I also built a sub myself that's way better and safe
>Yeah, they wouldn't have even felt the implosion >But they would have known something was wrong for a couple of minutes probably, and it would have been awful and terrifying in those moments
kek, what a savage.
>couldn't be bothered warning the passengers
Multiple people including the company's own employee already said the sub was >sub-standard and the CEO didn't give a shit. At some point you might as well just leave it be to wait for the I Told You So
could you imagine if it imploded but it sort of just sucked onto them perfectly and held them in place like a vacbed haha. like they would be stuck down there alive but unable to move and the rescue submarine robot arms could do anything to them that would be so weird right hahaha?
Most contrived tragedy I've seen
>six die in boating accident
>one day of coverage
>six die in boating accident, but billionaires
>it gets as much coverage as Ukraine
I genuinely cared less when I found out they were elites
going 12,000ft under water in a tube held together with glue is not a boating accident.
>glue
What do you think those viewing windows are held in by and sealed with on the 'professional' submersibles?
PROTIP: Araldite.
Obviously they use the most appropriate type for the temperature and conditions, the best grade possible, and follow the prep instructions better than you do at home, also checking for air cavities and shit after the fact. Also sealed by the geometry where the pressure pushes it into the conical porthole even harder the more pressure it's under, but the point is there are no mystical magical materials the professionals have access to that this dickhead didn't.
That's why he didn't just die the first time he dropped it in the drink. It was just a fundamentally flawed design where he was blasé about double-checking for imperfections before and in-between dives, or the fact that repeated cycles would surely create them.
they keep saying it is because he used carbon fiber and that's like hard to test or something like you need to be able to test the material you use thoroughly and it is like hard to test carbon fiber for weaknesses or something
Carbon fiber is not known for it's strength in resisting compression
It's containing expansion it's good at I surmise? Cameron said it's used very well in spacecraft and things like scuba diving tanks.
Yep. Too bad they didn't just reverse engineer the atoms so that it would work the opposite way.
why didn't they just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
Even carbon scuba tanks have a limited life cycle. You have to trash them or they will explode eventually.
Basically carbon fiber is stronger than steel in most respects, and much lighter, but when you push it too far, it doesn't bend, or compress—it snaps. And that makes the chance of catastrophic failure much higher.
To get around this, carbon fiber is usually made into a composite material where the fibers are set in a resin matrix that's more malleable. The composite materials compress at different rates under pressure, though. That means that the matrix sustains microscopic damage every time you squeeze it.
There's also a fundamental difference between spacecraft, which have to contain one atmosphere, and submarines, which need to keep hundreds out. It's just a much more challenging engineering problem.
Case in point: About the level of understanding you're getting from e-engineers saying 'muh glue' and trying to parrot shit they don't understand from people who do.
If you don't even understand the properties of carbon fibre and why they'd be an issue in this context, and oversimplify any adhesive to 'glue' as if that's automatically a problem and/or ACTUALLY BELIEVE he was using some kind of shitty paper glue or some shit like that, you need to pipe down.
You obviously want to minimise any joins or holes in the hull, but you're obviously going to be running wiring for the motors and shit. That means you're going to be using other materials and compounds at some point either way, that some clueless media/internet dickhead could oversimplify as a 'not professional' material, (even though you'd be surprised by how often very familiar household shit is used in all manner of 'professional' situations).
tl;dr: It's not what materials were used, it's how they used them.
when I saw the meme sub with all those screw inserts on the shell I laughed because something like that is just asking for trouble with deep sea exploration.
>It was just a fundamentally flawed design
Why exactly? I've heard people say it should be a sphere
>aquatic exoskeletiggers all evolve towards a crablike shape
>deep sea vehicles aren't giant robotic crabs
Man always a step behind nature
They made the hull out of 5 inch thick carbon fiber so they couldn't truly check it for issues with structural integrity, and they were essentially only able to detect issues with it if said issues were currently happening.
For example, it's believed that they were alerted of something wrong during the fatal dive, tried to surface, and imploded.
Cameron explained it here better than anyone else
And yet that wasn't simple enough for morons not to frick it up when they try to repeat it. The absolute state of the education system.
Okay, fine. Cameron being based during this event has earned me finally watching Avatar 2.
Gabe Newell's sub that's capable of going such depths isn't a sphere, but it is a weird shape I'll give you that
Oh is it limiting factor that he owns? I thought it was something else. I think he just technically owns the company that owns the sub, but has nothing to do with it personally (would he even fit?)
Yeah he definitely doesn't go in it, he owns the company and I assume is interested in deep sea exploration cuz otherwise why buy it.
The vessel the pilot sits in is a sphere, it's the safest shape it can be
ah fair enough, that makes sense.
they're all spheres with a weird shape around it holding batteries and ballast and additional stuff which can withstand the pressure on its own - except this titan turd of course.
Such a sexy design. Imagine being that fatass, he makes free money from CS skin market and actually owns this beauty.
He makes free money from every game sold on Steam, which is most games sold on PC.
The cabin needs to be a sphere because a sphere supports itself from every angle due to the integrity being equalised. That's why they're serious as shit about making it a perfect sphere so the pressure is distributed evenly.
you can't fit five billionaires in a sphere
>Hello! This is Gabe Newell. Thanks for engaging in deep sea exploration. Teamwipe.
>What do you think those viewing windows are held in by and sealed with on the 'professional' submersibles?
>PROTIP: Araldite.
lol another expert r*dditor. No, they are reinforced with plates bolted into the hull you idiot. You really think glue is going to hold the weight of one of those windows when the sub is being hoisted in and out of the water?
>another expert
>they are reinforced with plates bolted into the hull you idiot
Newsflash by moron: You can just 'bolt' two solid dissimilar materials together with no interface material whatsoever and it will hold pressure at 12,000 feet with no water ingress. I don't even need to demonstrate how stupid such a statement is, just isolate it, and let people think for two seconds about it.
>You really think glue
'muh glue'
Thanks for proving the exact point I was making above.
The rest of your post gets even more obviously clueless. Hoisted by the windows? le wut? kys
You said a bunch of shit but didn't explain the real reason this design was shit: the differences in thermal deformation between titanium and carbon fibre is what makes this a big no-no. The glue likely wasn't a problem in itself.
Also, apparently Oceangate actually purchased old carbon fibre from Boeing which was sold at a discount because it was no longer deemed suitable for sensitive uses.
>boating accident
it's not even an accident, it's just them being moronic. aside from the one kid who was dragged along and the workers I couldn't care less that these people died.
what's the sorry with the 19 year old? I heard he didn't want to go
if so that's fricked up
The pakistani family got the chance without anywhere near as much time to think about it as the other passengers because a prior father and dad cancelled after researching more (Stockton even offered that family a $100k discount per person to go anyway because of how late they were trying to cancel). The 19 year old didn't want to go, but he was afraid he'd be disappointing his father on father's day. 🙁
Was that the guy that went to the blink 182 concert?
No that was the stepson off the billionaire who died
I see, thanks
No, it was a completely different family who cancelled both their reservations. They have an interview with Inside Edition talking about it.
They cancelled because they became concerned for the safety of the operation and Stockton responded saying it was stupid to be afraid of an accident, claiming it was very safe. They show text messages in the video.
legitimately tragic end for the kid... and the frenchman but atleast the frenchie died doing what he loved. rest I don't care, CEO is rotting in hell at this moment.
Yup, it's been mentioned that they tried to surface after encountering an issue, most likely heard the sub begin to delaminate, and imploded afterwards. I hope the time this all occurred in was quick enough that the kid didn't start crying.
RIP to him and the French Titanic expert. I'm convinced the expert eventually wanted to die near the Titanic. He'd even been onboard the Titan submersible once before and told a relative that he might not make it back before going on that prior expedition.
>RIP to him and the French Titanic expert. I'm convinced the expert eventually wanted to die near the Titanic.
Damn maybe he caused the implosion deliberately. Imagine the kino.
> He reveals his master plan to the crew in the final moments before they get imploded.
Au revoir suckers!
>Gives the fatigued hull a good solid thump, causing total structural collapse
God, I hope that's true.
that's fricked up
yeah i mean submarine expeditions are just so fricking common but everyone cares now because they are le billionaires???
> submarine expeditions are just so fricking common
It’s not international news 24/7 on merit you moronic jurno wienersucker. Imagine defending this dogshit
I recall Kursk getting similar wall-to-wall coverage. Submarine disasters are rare and exciting.
A research or exploratory sub hasn't resulted in deaths since they became common starting in the 60s
Mr and my dad (works for Nintendo) go submarining every weekend
Six? Try six hundred
Six hundred? Try six million
smoke stacks. shadows.
It was conveniently timed during Hunter's slap on the wrist, but the simple fact is that people have been yearning for a little adventure tragedy news story which doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Real life is too depressing and it was fun to pretend for a few days that these poor guys might get rescued but aw shucks the thing imploded so that's that. Simple, done. A couple of people died (or so it seems) but life goes on.
I have a distinct memory of being a kid and watching the news during the summer of 2001. Absolutely fricking nothing was going on. Everything was going great. It was so wonderfully boring. Would that it could have stayed that way forever. All they could report on were a few random shark attacks on the coasts, cute little tragedy stories like this. Then things changed, and got worse (facebook, iphone, recession), and worse (covid panic), and worse(ukraine...
we did have a period recently without much going on... 2014-2017 mostly, when the 'clown panic' happened.
Are you a moron or a 3rd worlder? That period of time is PRECISELY when the media machine in the United States caught on fire. Zika virus, ebola, gaymer gayte, leadup to the 2016 election, the 2016 election itself
shit, i actually forgot about trump and ebola lmao
you're right
OP, don't trivialize the situation
>maritime tragedy + refugees
Jails the women and minorities trying to help
>maritime tragedy + billionares
Multiple countries mobilize every fricking resource they've got
Yeah turns out billionaires are actually valuable
Rapefugees are disposable
There will be far more where they came from
This
For every 500 migrants that sink, there 5,000+ right behind them trying to do the same thing. Making a sub and having it available for consumers to use is a rare event.
Why shouldn’t you go to prison for helping foreign invaders?
>”migrant rescue”
She was parking the boat a stone’s throw away from the Libyan coast and enabling human trafficking. It’s not a “rescue” if they have a time table to show up and scuttle the boat where you can pick them up is it?
Just start your own “rescue” service where pajeets pay 200 dollars and plane tickets to come live in your country then.
First off dipshit, the search was done ONLY by the American coast guard. Secondly, the incident happened in international waters and the sub had citizens of MULTIPLE countries aboard. The sub departed from the US hence the coast guard.
The search hardly used “every fricking resource they got”.
Also two of the people aboard the sub you claim the world was looking for instead of helping minorities, were Pakistani you racist piece of shit. You know, minorities?
But please, by all means continue your delusional b***h crying.
The Canadians helped as well.
Shown here
>NOOOOOO NOT MY HUMAN TRAFFICKING WAIFU
1. frick those morons that died on the sub, they were either too rich or racist
2. every single one of those migrants is a deadbeat piece of shit looking for free shit from white people
the world is a better place without all of them
Why should i care about some refugees. They are leeches and disposable.
Rich people ate rich because they are elite. Still not worth simping for but surely > bunch of homies
Commie homosexuals saying 'muh rich people' about this don't even realise a bunch of poorgay Black folk in Africa would be using the same logic when it comes to Americans dying in car accidents.
Also, Commies never take into account the fact that someone who was a poorgay all their life could win the lotto and their one dream is to do some dumb shit like this with the money. Would they deserve it?
If I gave you a million dollars I guarantee I'd think whatever you spent it on was stupid as frick, and I would never spend a million dollars on that shit, and vice versa.
It's just thinking you know better, and envy bullshit.
It's like some lonesome loser kissless virgin hating you because you have a hot wife and good family, not ever realising you used to be a lonesome loser kissless virgin with no girlfriend, who got a clue, put the internet down, started lifting, and chaded up. You're just assumed to be evil because you don't suck like them, and they don't think you deserve it.
If these Commies ever fully get their way, I want to hear what the last blue collar gay who won the lottery the day before has to say about it.
>Commie homosexuals saying 'muh rich people' about this don't even realise a bunch of poorgay Black folk in Africa would be using the same logic when it comes to Americans dying in car accidents.
And why should I care what they think?
>Also, Commies never take into account the fact that someone who was a poorgay all their life could win the lotto and their one dream is to do some dumb shit like this with the money. Would they deserve it?
Anyone who pays a quarter of a million dollars to descend to 4000m in a shitty homemade submarine - created by a guy who thinks safety is a hindrance - does deserve to die in the death trap they willingly entered. Hell, even if it was free they'd deserve it. Either they understood the risk and went anyway, or they were too moronic to realize that a $20,000 submarine built by a cost-cutting, safety-dismissing moron would be unsafe.
I really don't think the people getting into it understood. Most people have very limited technical knowledge and can't make independent assessments. Just look at the whole Theranos thing which turned into a 10 billion dollar company because rich people couldn't figure out that startups are supposed to lie, let alone that a drop of capillary blood will never provide valuable diagnostics.
I think most of them just assumed he knew what he was doing, after all the CEO of the company wouldn't get on a submarine that he knew was unsafe right? They just didn't count on him being a complete moron.
I'm not going to be sad when 5 morons die by being morons. If you're going to do something dangerous (and diving to a depth where the pressure is over 300 atmospheres is dangerous no matter the submarine) you should understand the potential risks, such as whether or not the submarine will kill you. People who cannot understand risk are genuinely moronic.
you are the sperg samegay who keeps typing 5 paragraph long posts about how people arent smart enough to be talking about this and crying about the glue comments
>Would they deserve it?
Yes
(You) are the same homosexual whose Mom I'm banging.
The average American has 0 political power and control and doesn't make the world the shit way it is. Actually super rich capitalists do.
>super rich capitalist spend their time building mediocre submarines
>meanwhile a self-proclaimed leftist cabal of government and corporate origins pushes for all the things leftist say are the big issues. (except of course big corporation and big government being an issue)
>migrant rescue
>parking her boat within visual distance of the north african coast and then filling it up and sailing directly to the european side over and over
Why don't they say what she was actually doing?
I hate billionaire but good. Saving refugees should be a death sentence for treason.
That's extremely ironic for an american to be saying.
no one cares about illegal shitskins, most people in Greece embraced the news as a good thing and celebrated it.
That sea captain and white leftists in general religiously serve global capitalism way the frick more than that moron billionaire.
>white leftists in general religiously serve global capitalism
>forgets corporations typically lean right
>morning star
jesus christ, they're not even trying to hide it.
Well, there's a bit of a difference between people who are not from your country and who are breaking the laws of your country, and taxpayers from your country in need of help, don't you think?
the people on the titan prob contributed more than 1000 knife wielding rapists from africa
Nice try, homosexual. What that article is calling a "migrant rescue effort" was (and still is) actually a well organized human trafficking operation, collaborating with known criminal groups the other side of the Med.
If the leaders of our countries still had balls, people like Pia Klemp would have been executed a while ago.
Sh-she colluded with the smug-ACK
>Our analysis suggests that the Iuventa crew did not return empty boats to smugglers, as they were accused of having done. Nor do they appear to communicate with anyone potentially connected with smuggling networks, as the Italian authorities suggested they had.
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-seizure-of-the-iuventa
>billionares
>tax payers
Lmao
Chudbros, our response?
daily reminder that was a trust fund broad. pretty much the exact meme of the spoiled champagne sipping libtard caring about le refugees.
Well yes you should help the rapefugees drown, not save their lives
b***h deserves the electric chair, traitorous prostitute
>articles that will make you say "frick laws and borders and shit"
>money runs the world
??? WHAT!!! NO WAY???
I mean the poop skins drowning trying to flood the country happens all the time it was cut and dry whereas what made the sub thing interesting is waiting for the outcome and the details of things involving it up until the conclusion
If you cannot understand why stories like these are gripping, you're an idiot. Eccentric billionaires, scary concepts (trapped underwater, implosions), shortcuts and greed, mystery and the unknowns, hubris.
If we would have simply heard about a good sub imploding by an unfortunate accident only, it'd be forgotten tomorrow.
Think you stupid moron, THINK. You're not special because you don't give a shit.
This, so much this. News tried so hard to make us care about some fricking billionaire cis white men getting what they deserve. Makes my heart warm the whole internet came together to laugh at these worthless fricks
>Crazy story about an insane guy taking billionaires to see the Titanic in his tiny home-made submarine that he controls with a fricking video game controller. Days of uncertainty ends in spectacular fashion with all of them dying in a horrific and unusual way.
vs
>Refugees died fleeing war...
Which one sounds more interesting? Contrived my ass.
Idk about
>rich people being morons
being a very "insane" story.
The refugee story but I don't view news as entertainment like you do
Oh aren't you so very virtuous. Lol.
Get fricked. News has been entertainment since it was invented.
>Refugees died fleeing war...
How is there a war in these countries when all their fighting age males flee to Europe?
This was literally a famous feature of the Syrian civil war. Low troop numbers on every side because most Syrians are Sunni, hate Assad and don't want to fight for the Shia dominated government, but also the western-backed opposition were all Jihadi ISIS types that got labelled "moderates" by CNN for PR reasons such that any half-sane Sunni didn't want to touch with a 20 foot pole either, let alone fight for them.
The Syrian civil war was like a US Civil War where it was the 5 percent most pro-democrat, "I'm with her" out of touch segment of the population versus QAnon uncles and groypers but they have all the heavy weaponry between them so the other 90 percent of the population is just left to try and get the frick away from the fallout.
died fleeing war...
>Fleeing war
More like trying to find a more lucrative job/leech off social benefits.
it's the novelty more than them being billionaires, the whole "trapped at the bottom of the ocean with X many hours to live" was exciting and unprecedented
No it wasn't, you fricking zoomer mongoloid.
We had basically the same story barely a few years ago with the Thai kids in the cave
and that got big too, were they billionaires?
>We had basically the same story barely a few years ago with the story that was not basically the same at all actually
Idiot
It was a distraction.
you're a moron, it gets attention because its highly unusual. It has nothing to do with them being billionaires they could be thirdies it doesn't matter because they are fricking 12,000 leagues below the ocean
I am so tired of lefty morons like you that totally forgot about the Thai cave kids and the Chilean miners. Every time there's a bunch of people stuck somewhere with a rescue operation people eat that shit up. Do you even think about these things for longer than the five seconds it takes for you to formulate an angry post about white people?
Australia had 2 guys stuck in a mine and that was national news for like 2 weeks until they were rescued
Simply reading this message made me immediately want to look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaconsfield_Mine_collapse
kino
The way they died is just so unique and terrifying to think about
>hear crack
>get burnt to the temperature of the sun
>get crushed into pink mist
>get scattered to the ocean
>all in a fraction of a millisecond
They died in a way that only a handful of people have ever died. Even the other submarine implosions wouldn't have been quite like this. This is the only super deep sea submarine implosion that's ever happened. It's possible they're the only 5 people to ever die exactly like this.
They earned that Wikipedia article.
Marine life would have loved it though. Literally get a gift from the heavens every century or so from their perspective.
suffocating after 4 days trapped in there is way more terrifying
they hardly had a moment to even realize they were dying
It was the prospect of them being trapped in an underwater grave for four days and the race against time that was exciting. Then it turns out they imploded in less than a second and it lost much steam. Now only the memes remain.
Dying in a way no one has ever died before is still pretty cool. It was like 10 times deeper than the Thresher
People have died from implosion before. The Scorpion and Thresher were implosions of the hull.
At a fraction of the energy involved, sure
only leftards think it got coverage because muh billionaries
it became a big story because it's a unconventional and adventurous.. much like tragedies in space
also the mystery aspect (which was completely fabricated, everyone in the know already knew they were dead..)
i only started caring once I learned about their pajeet engineering skills.
Like accidents aren't funny, but corner cutting, boasting about corner cutting and pajeet tier engineering makes it seem like karmic justice.
the migrants were already dead and survivors rescued, the missing sub was still in progress. Plus fricking moronic migrants sink their boats every week. How often does a sub full of idiots disappear while diving to the titanic?
>moronic refugees make a shitty boat and die relatively quickly from just exhaustion at sea
>billionnaires make their own submarine and potentially may have had a fate worse then death by slowly suffocating to death over a period of 3 days on a tight space
Why would Ukraine get any time on the news ? At least the submarine story was interesting
Probably because there's a frickin coup attempt happening in Russia.
This. Either this was staged to draw our attention away from something or a bunch of rich morons killed themselves for no reason. Don't care either way.
Your shitty "hand meme" will never catch on.
>Your shitty "hand meme" will never catch o-ACK
Silence, pleb!
Just casually roasts you and your whole company.
Even though Cameron lost a colleague from this he still can't keep the smugness out of his replies
"Yeah I said this piece of crap would implode and it did"
"Yeah I designed a sub which went three times deeper and it worked perfectly"
>OH NO WHAT HAPPENED OH MAN
>NOOOO LE SCARY DELTA-PEE
Physics isn't even real you dumb shits
They're all still alive and you fell for another ruse
Could a nondocumentary feature film be made about this? Covering Rush and his homosexualry and how his moronation led to this? Or would no one want to touch it for fear of it being seen as in poor taste?
Whom would you cast as the Cinemaphileirgin fatass that saved his and his dad's lives by pulling out of the trip? Whom should you cast as the moron CEO that thought he was way smarter than he actually was and figured he could win the dad and his son over by flying to Vegas on his own experimental two-seater plane because he was moronic enough to think that would work, as if real life were a movie and he were the Main Character? Whom would you cast as Cameron, the actual Main Character?
What would you guys do after realizing you escaped a miserable death?
Probably watch xevbellringers brother sister loving porn videos
There was a movie made about the titanic made one month after it sank starring a woman that was actually on board the ship
I think the abrupt nature of their deaths is more of a problem than it being in poor taste. It just makes it very difficult to structure a narrative, comedically or dramatically, if they die in millose onds with little to no warning.
I meant more something focusing on the crazy CEO, the people that tried to warn him, and the people he killed with his idiocy. I mean one of the guys on board was one of the first discoverers of the titanic itself. That's kino as hell.
>Whom would you cast as Cameron, the actual Main Character?
tom cruise
Make it a comedy, with Will Ferrell as Stockton Rush.
"Carbon Fiber is the FUTURE, guys!!"
"How do you control the sub?"
"Through this state of the art control device!"
"Uh...isn't that a logitech controller?"
they never made a dorner kino I doubt they'll touch this. some tv documentary and that'll be it
this is 100% getting a film adaption down the line
Easy slam dunk with the right cast and director. Skip the implosion part for the sake of the story. Have a buildup at the beginning where the CEO is designing the thing, make him seem competent but smug in his competency. Not quite a villain but just a hubristic character. Flesh out the families a little bit, lay down some character arcs (that just get obviously cut short) like family drama, reconciliation between father and son, you know the crap. Then the meat and potatoes of the film is them embarking, them realizing there's a problem, the ocean floor scuttling, a self recovery effort. They're at the bottom of the ocean and the important parts of the film focus on them slowly going crazy in the tube, everyone has different levels of resolve in the face of the inevitable, everyone takes turns trying to keep the group in tact before breaking, finish with the CEO who simply refuses to believe they're fricked so badly. Invent a character to follow the surface plot, like an Elon Musk caricature, someone with money who intends to capitalize on the media circus and quickly tries to explore options on rescue. Have him fail each time he explores a new option, to emphasize the stupidity of the sub's design and the futility of the situation. So like: no, they can't self recover, they don't have ballast or manual controls. No, we can't drop a cable, the shit doesn't exist. No, we can't send another sub, it doesn't exist. No, we can't dislodge them, we can't even find them. Intercut everything with news breaks that capture the general reaction to these kinds of things as a commentary on how we live tragedy, then juxtapose it with the reality of their horrible deaths in the cold dark coffin tube. Last shots are of everyone in the tube slowly just going to sleep and not getting up, one by one, until it's just the CEO tap-tap-tapping on the "bulkhead" before he too just dies of hunger and C02 poisoning.
Can't we have an Apollo 13 style happy ending?
>studio decides to make shitty dark edgy sequel for no reason.
hate when this happens
>If I was on that submarine with my kids, it wouldn’t have went down like it did, there would have been a lot of fish guts in that tin can
>there would have been a lot of fish guts in that tin can
>people dying in uncommon circumstances gets more media coverage than a regular accident
whoa no way!
But he wasn't surprised at all, this was what he expected had happened. This is a dumb use of the meme.
Kenzi!
What does the scouter say about the submarine?!
People are saying death would be instantaneous, but is it not possible for enough space to be left inside the submarine to leave a person's torso and head intact, so they have a few seconds to process what happened?
No. You simply don’t understand how much pressure 400 atmospheres worth is. Take your average shitbox sedan, stand it up on its front bumper, and sit underneath it. Now imagine that’s only on one square inch of your body, and every other square inch has another shitbox resting on it. Now imagine that this happened suddenly and it’s blunt impact rather than slowly lowering the weight. Investigators will be lucky to find a single intact bone in the wreckage
Under no circumstances would a void of survivable pressure exist after an implosion at that depth. The death capsule they were in was mostly made of a material that shatters when it fails, so any crack means near instantaneous complete destruction of the vessel and everything inside. You'd honestly have a hard time designing a faster way to have a nice day and a handful of billionaires short of being within spitting distance of nuclear detonation.
You are hit by water moving at 400 m/s, the exterior hull that was just compacted inward by said water, and at the same time the interior air of the sub instantaneously ignites into a fireball that can melt steel.
In short no, there isn't room for your intact head and torso.
y'know, I for one thank our moronic billionaire overlords for at least providing the opportunity to encourage learning about ultra-deep-sea submersibles, and how not to build them.
If only you knew where this rabbit hole went.
The guy tried to out bid cameron for the deep challenger dive with his design and was laughed out of the room for being a moron.
He went onto build his moron boat and told Boeing engineers that they were wrong about their B grade carbon fiber strength, Boeing now deny all knowledge of the morons suicide dive and deny ever even working on the death boat which they helped his inexperienced team of post grads assemble.
After being shown a presentation by the senior materials engineer of how the structure of carbon fiber fricking shatters without any warning after repeated stress events and how metal alloys do not so you should like totally replace the vessels hull every single dive bro, that moron fired him and said "na na its cool, i can just listen for any stress fractures with a $25 Logitech headset."
Now he is a compressed paste at the bottom of the ocean mixed with 4 other dudes forever. Pretty gay.
How can we ensure that more African migrant boats sink while crossing the Mediterranean?
Make the sub free instead of charging $250000
Technically speaking it's an explosion, just one that goes inwards.
>"What happened here is, while pretty hard to imagine, it’s like being inside a bomb that’s exploding. You are in the core of explosion, rather than at any external point of reference. They got vaporized instantly”.
This shit is crazy.
Yeah, apparently they had less than 200ms for an observable reaction before implosion and their vaporized death.
They're saying now that the crew was trying to resurface because they dropped lead to raise rapidly. They knew shit was about to go sideways.
So would it be better to be pulped by sub implosion or pulped by chamber decompression like the Byford Dolphin incident?
You're dead before you know it either way. I guess I'd rather be totally vaporized just to be sure
>get decompressed so hard it blows the fat lipids OUT of your blood and you die from the remainder of your blood boiling in an instant
OR
>get all that but also get blown through a small opening a couple of inches wide at the same time, being manually turned into salsa in the process
Gimme the implosion.
Better to be at home in bed, thousands of miles away.
>Byford Dolphin
The guy that got sucked through the door? I think I'd rather be instantly vaporized than be squeezed through a crack and have my organs ejected
That was the unlucky one who was in the process of closing the door when the clamp failed, and got hit directly with the most pressure change. There were three other divers in the chambers who died from their blood boiling instantaneously (autopsy actually found fatty lipids in their remains because the rapid boiling had rendered the normally dissolved fat insoluble). It also killed one of the attending divers when the diving bell was blown away from the door and struck him.
>poor human dead = bad
>rich human dead = good
why
>poor human dead = good
>rich human dead = good
fixd
Was the front meant to fall off?
>I've done me a subMERRRSible!
The nipple controller doesn't seem that bad. The problem was the carbon fiber, which is a known no-no. This guy wanted to ignore conventions to be "innovative"
The fact that it is wireless is just moronic. It's one thing to repurpose an interface, other industries do that as well, but if multiplayer gamers don't trust a wireless controller for lag in their online games, why would you trust one to pilot your submersible? Everywhere is something like that. Bragging about the lights being from Camping World, bragging about using an off the shelf 2010 Logitech controller, the flouting of rules, regulations and long held conventional wisdom about deep sea diving seemed almost the point for this goober. Like all these NERDS with their safety checklists were just wasting time, let's get some cash flowing from tourists already.
There is no innovation here, this is just going against literal physics like a moron. Either implosion or sub had to be rehulled after every submerging. No other way.
This Oceangate fricker didn’t have permit to bring passengers to his sub, this was all borderline illegal. You can do what the frick you want if it’s just you (like Cameron did) but this was suicide pact in the making.
Absolutely every statement this guy seems to have made publicly about his company and his philosophy involves whining about safety regulations and procedure checklists, and how they're ruining commercial "innovation" with supposedly needless precautions. Well turns out all these precautions and checklists by sub designers are the reason they didn't have any deaths in research or exploratory subs in all these decades of use, until this guy dies in his pipe sub.
This is the FIRST ever implosion in deep submerging tourism. Ever, it never happened before - because the actual concept is relatively simple and it shouldn’t fail you as long as you trust physics and check your equipment.
There are always two subs too, one as a back up to help the first one.
"The entire submarine imploding" should really not be high on your list of possible risks. "Losing communications with the operators", or "Problems with thrusters" or "Instruments giving faults", sure, all possibilities you'll inevitably have to be wary of in testing and field dives no matter how well thought out your sub is.
If your biggest risk assessed is "The entire sub might be destroyed instantly if we dive to the intended depth", I think your sub is not ready to go in the water and you should go back to the drawing board..
>"Losing communications with the operators", or "Problems with thrusters" or "Instruments giving faults", sure, all possibilities you'll inevitably have to be wary of in testing and field dives no matter how well thought out your sub is.
funny enough the titan also experienced all these previously
They just sat on the floor like kids playing spin the bottle? He's inviting billionaires to buy tickets, he could have included a couple of cushions.
The floor is one big black cushion, and underneath the cushion is more electronics
*was
It looks so fricking cheap.
Seriously. If you're a billionaire why would you skimp on money and go with an uncertified company?
those DARN neeeerds and their regulations are getting in the way of INNOVATION and FUN
God complex.
there's no point attributing any real thought put into it by the passengers. they just wanted to flex that they saw the titanic
They weren't any other companies that offered submarine trips for tourists, deep sea diving is still experimental and mostly done by private individuals. No company was willing to risk the potential lawsuits.
OOOH, I WONDER WHY
>mostly done by private individuals
That quite actually, in fact it's pretty rare among private individuals, it's normally done by research institutions with assistance from governments.
Not quite*
the company literally bragged about using "cost effective" materials
There was one which everyone used (including Cameron) that was certified. But they were Ruskies so guess what happened lol.
>I finally found someone who isn't concerned about keeping us alive, come on son get in the bucket
Pilot sphere of Cameron's one for the Marianas trench by comparison
That being the little door at the bottom right
>door
isn't that ballast?
This thing. That's the door to the pilot's sphere.
And remember cameron's sub was a one-seater experimental that he himself said he wouldn't let people dive in it that weren't him or his engineer buddy who designed it together.
Oceangate is a commercial-ish operation. Even if you take a weeklong cruise on a sailboat you get safety briefs and emergency equipment is all over the place.
Satanic submarine sacrifice
or maybe the guy said God himself couldn't sink his submarine and pissed off God.
Which god?
Cthulhu
nothing wrong with using a console controller
a cheap chintzy version a bit iffy,
but wireless? fricking moronic
>that other billionaire and his kid that were supposed to be on the sub but when they saw it they went "you have to be kidding me” and left
Big boy would've been some good eatin.
>t. totally not a fish
>I want you to take the sub. From there you can see directly into the Titanic and report back
>"No... No, I won't do that"
>Of course you will.
4000 psi...not great, not terrible.
>I checked the rating on the porthole
>It's not 4000m, it's 1300...
What I don't get is how shitty the sub looks and how cramped it is, like if you some rich guy trying to get other rich guys to pay for this wouldn't you make it some kind of luxury submarine with like a wine bar and shit.
You can make a sub like that but it's not going very far underwater. The Titanic and other shipwrecks are miles underwater on the seabed. That's a lot of pressure a hull needs to withstand.
the bigger the hull the exponentially stronger it has to be
>the bigger the hull the exponentially stronger it has to be
I don't know. This doesn't track with what I know about subs.
Assume a cylinder just to make the calculation easier
at r = 1 m you have 2*pi*l + 2*pi m^2 to reinforce against the depths
at r = 2 you have 4*pi*l + 8*pi
KINO!
>not certified to dive
Should have been a nope from anyone even thinking about going with this company
>journey to sunken Titanic
>rather than just pulling Titanic up with a rope
What a bunch of idiots. Just attach a rope and haul it to nearest beach.
A three mile rope?
Sure. There is enough rope in the world.
Can you pull a wrecked ship's worth of steel three miles upward against the three miles of water on top of it?
Give me 20 good men, pulley and it’s done.
Get some ants to do it
Ants are strong
Yes, we could learn a lot from their Communism or whatever.
I'm not sure there's more than 3 miles of rope, dude. 3 miles is pretty long.
So uh which chunk would like to attach your rope to?
Uh the big bar on the front right, that looks like it definitely is holding the whole thing together, a little elbow grease will have her right up on the beach in time for tea.
Like this and then drag it on the ocean’s floor.
>People climb Mt Everest for the view instead of just taking a plane
These people want a story to tell at parties for the rest of their lives
Well now they ARE the story
>there are probably still titanic survivors living in the air bubbles
>they will never be rescued now
Why not just create a giant tube, pump out all the water, and have tourists go down in an elevator??
Because using a gamepad is more fun.
>the carbon fiber titanium there's a rule you don't do that, well I did
?t=99
[The CEO was later killed by the carbon fiber composite]
>we're not going to have a base on mars or the moon
>we will have a base under water
This homie serious?
I guess the ocean is to blame for not allowing his cheap design to survive
We gaan?
Do you think they tried to kill each other to make the oxygen last longer?
they probably considered it at least
They were turned into sardines in a can in less than the blink of an eye.
Bruh did you not read how they died? Oxygen was not the issue
No
see
Well the sub imploded and they were pulped into nothing in a millisecond. Not even enough time for their brain to register a signal of "That's some pressure you're feeling".
Well it was the issue but it was less a case of there not being enough oxygen to fill the lungs and more there not being enough lungs to put any oxygen in.
the sub imploded on the way down.
running out of oxygen was never an issue.
Their death was literally the
>OH N-
meme.
The way they died was basically like this except they were inside the pipe
Isn't this different and more of what happened to the guy on Byford Dolphin? Oceangate people were just crushed to death
>ship : *cracks*
how do you respond without sounding mad?
probably by getting crushed into oblivion
Well yeah but Cameron also said if you're relying on safety equipment and alarms in the moment, you're doing it wrong.
Watch him again, he's specifically talking about an audio sensor used on the oceangate sub that supposedly warned them of a hull breakup.
The reason he says it's moronic is because oceangate uses a composite hull. Said composite can crack inside the matrix, meaning it can't be detected by a visual inspection like a steel hull, meaning you can't establish the seaworthiness of the sub before diving.
Allegedly the reason given by oceangate is that there's no equipment available that would allow for a penetrating scan of a sub this size. (CT scan, ultrasonics whatever)
Which I find hard to believe given modern airliners like the 787 are also made out of composites and are regularly scanned because their airworthiness depends on the load capacity of the composite.
TL;DR: composites can deterioriate invisibly and require more maintenance effort than steel hulls. having a warning bell is no suitable substitute for maintenance efforts.
was the ceo an absolute lunatic or something? at the titanic youre so deep that im pretty sure its ogre the second your hull fails
Yep. He thought regulations were meant to be ignored.
at least he went down with his shitty sub. makes me think he was just an idiot and not evil
He took four other people with him.
Yeah, but... y'know.
Rich 'people'
thats the funniest part. he didn't break regulations because they don't really exist.
He broke fundamental engineering principles. While Jim Cameron argues about the material science behind choosing a titanium washer or stainless steel washer in his sub, this guy just goes in and says "Washers? Just use cap head screws bro"
Like none of what I said about composites is bleeding edge science. The problem of not being able to look inside a composite matrix is not new or unique to submarines.
They could have inspected the hull integrity, they just didn't want to pay for it.
That is at least extremely likely. Just looking around at a local marina most recreational vessels are also composite fiberglass construction. I would consider it extremely weird if there weren't any hand-held scanners or testing equipment available for marine use. Even a substandard solution would be better than nothing. and again, all of this would be unnecessary if they just went with a big ol' steel tube in the first place. You could then just look at the hull with the mk 2 eyeball and see a deformation and go "yeah no I'm not taking this thing down thanks"
You guys laugh. But if it worked, he'd be the one laughing... all the way to the bank!
the blood bank?
He already was.
Until the next time. or the time after that maybe...
He was a "visionary"
An absolute moron more like. Exactly the sort to think his idiocy and disregard of rules is being a brave genius pioneer.
He was definitely in the wrong field for his skillset. I think he's also somewhat oppositional defiant and many people die prematurely because of that personality trait.
just another greedy, arrogant boomer
He went down there multiple times with his sub. He's a moron, but it makes a little bit of sense, because it worked already.
>because it worked already
that is precisely why his design was moronic. the crew had no way to tell if the last dive damaged the hull. the acoustic sensor thing is double moronic because it would kind of make sense on a steel hull where you could knock on it and if it sounds different you could reasonably estimate damage. meanwhile any sound wave inside a composite matrix will distort the return as the matrix resonates differently at different angles whereas the sandwich resonantes differently. then the fibres are aligned, so depending on the direction any sound return you could listen to or check with a computer model would yield vastly different results.
>I hope I give you fishes the shits, you wimps
Plot twist
>GENTLEMEN
>I believe I've found some friends of yours...
What's sad to think is that if they all pushed against the walls they might have survived
>cracking was getting louder as he was diving deeper
?t=177
they were already hearing cracking on previous dives
at this point it's just a giant Darwin award
?t=1329
Makes a cartoon that trivializes native americans, then pretends to know how the seamen died. What a tacky frick.
He bragged about getting things for cheap, off the shelf. Lights from Camping World. Controller from Logitech. Used carbon fiber. Etc.
gotta cut a few corners to make a few bucks my man. what's the worst that could happen
How deep did they get before the implosion? Watching this mexican guys video about it is kinda surreal, did the sub slowly get worn down with repeated expeditions?
?t=546
> did the sub slowly get worn down with repeated expeditions?
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Yes, as you go up and down the pressure differential wears on the hull. That is normal and expected. It's also why submarines and airplane hulls are built to withstand that pressure.
Problem here is this
. If you can't look at the wear and tear of the hull, you can't establish if the next dive can be completed successfully. It's like trying to find out if you have enough oil in your car without checking the dipstick or pulling the drain plug. Yes, eventually your warning lights will tell you that you started your roadtrip without enough oil.
Jimbo is so fricking based dabbing on these morons
>yeah i told them that thing is gonna kill somebody years ago but I couldn't be bothered warning the passengers because I wanted a told you so moment
>oh yeah I also built a sub myself that's way better and safe
>Yeah, they wouldn't have even felt the implosion
>But they would have known something was wrong for a couple of minutes probably, and it would have been awful and terrifying in those moments
kek, what a savage.
>couldn't be bothered warning the passengers
Multiple people including the company's own employee already said the sub was >sub-standard and the CEO didn't give a shit. At some point you might as well just leave it be to wait for the I Told You So
It's important to remember that rich people have already had their fun, and that when they die it's a net positive.
>I TOLD THEM ABOUT THE CARBON FIBRO BRO
dont care at all about rich vs poor, post memes
what would be a worse death, dying in the Challeger launch or submarine implosion?
Sub was definitely faster and less painful. Though significantly more embarrassing, so idk really
this is how I got to the bottim
Ah, the underwater seaboat.
what if the sub imploded just enough to keep them alive but bones are crushed and no space to move, now that would have sucked
could you imagine if it imploded but it sort of just sucked onto them perfectly and held them in place like a vacbed haha. like they would be stuck down there alive but unable to move and the rescue submarine robot arms could do anything to them that would be so weird right hahaha?
He's delusional, OceanGate Titan submarines do not implode
>There is no Titan! It imploded! The Titan imploded!
Why didnt they duct tape the crack before ship impoded?
Maverick OceanGate Chad vs Cuck virgin safety James Cameron.
Frick Cameron that whiny little gutless pussy.