My brother in Christ no piece of fiction "matters". It's not real. It's meant to engage your brain or at the very least entertain.
Maybe these new characters would do better if they got any form of promotion. Oh and also letting other characters finally have a conclusion would be nice but we can't have that can we? Peter Parker will eternally be a poor photographer barely paying his monthly rent despite his massive, extensive resume.
I'd vastly prefer this. But that's not what we have, and it's not what we're going to get any time soon. And complaining on a Laotian Snake-Milking forum isn't going to change that.
Maybe these new characters would do better if they got any form of promotion. Oh and also letting other characters finally have a conclusion would be nice but we can't have that can we? Peter Parker will eternally be a poor photographer barely paying his monthly rent despite his massive, extensive resume.
You're right. But that's only true because the comic book industry is run by the most out of touch, moronic, unimaginative washouts on earth. They sat on the absolute worst distribution system possible for decades and watched web based content evolve like 3 separate times into different successful models.
They make new characters all the time, and yet you cry "What is this garbage fanfic character?" EVERY TIME. It doesn't matter what books do, regardless of quality, you have a perpetual need to be triggered and make threads to express it
Stop playing coy. You know exactly what he meant. No one wants to see Ms Marvel when Captain Marvel and Mr. Fantastic exist. No one wants to see Spider-Man...but from another universe! A-and he's little Asian girl! Its fine for onne What If/ Elseworlds story but its getting too much.
And yes we are aware of characters like Safespace, Snowflake, and Nonbinary Internet Fart Gas boy. You know... the characters coasting off the popularity of New Warriors? Read that if you want but based on the descriptions and designs alone you know those aren't real characters
You stop being coy, anon. I wasn't even referring to Ms. Marvel or those shitty New Warriors that got laughed into cancellation before ever dropping. We get villains, new heroes, and it doesn't matter what they are.
>Harley Quinn but its Himiko Toga
Okay. Honestly I'll give you this. The one time they try to change the status quo and develope a character (i.e. Harley Quinn dumping the Joker and become a vigilante lesbian) no one liked it and they still keep trying to push it. The Punchline thing just seems like a definite "no Harley will not get back with Joker she's been replaced get over it".
No what people didn't like was the crap New 52 writing with flip floppy characterization bullshit. They've since remained consistent. Other new characters too unfortunately didn't catch on
It depends. Guys like Hulk, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc. They were in accidents which could have happened to anyone. Fair enough.
Guys like Doctor Strange, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Silver Surfer were chosen specifically by some being to be the one and only. Having multiple Sorcerer Supremes or Guardians of sector 2814 makes no sense.
Batman trained himself afrom the age of 8-12 to mental and physical perfection. He also trained three boys of similar ages. Cassandra Cain and his own son were trained from birth. If you have the will and time you could feasibly learn from Batman. But a guy like signal, Orphan, and Batwing? It starts to get iffy.
And then you have guys like Superman, Wolverine, Groot. They were sold as being the only one of their species. Superman is the most egregious seing as Supergirl, Krypto, a small army of rogue Kryptonians, Doomsday, etc. all attack Earth on the daily. Wolverine at least has the excuse of being cloned. But still it gets iffy.
Bruce Wayne is also rich. You can do the >rich guy is also a caped crusader by night
maybe three times in the same part of the world. But a lot of the new street vigilantes seem to be apart of Batman Inc or just barely scrapping by. Even when Dick left to Bludhaven he was struggling to be Nightwing and be a cop and not get evicted from his apartment
Sorcerer Supreme IS a title, Strange even gave it up more than once before the 2000s. The current title starring Clea has been loads of fun too.
I get what you're saying though, my big problem with legacy characters is when people treat the original as if they sucked or were somehow less experienced or popular.
As for Groot, that's more marketing's fault. It's hard to keep him as this loveable childlike plant creature when he's also canonically an evil overlord with a huge body count, so introducing multiple Groots makes sense.
The solution is really just to launch new book with only tenuous at best connection to a greater universe and then if it gets popular then they can start pulling its characters and concepts for use in crossovers.
This issue is instead of doing this and keeping the successful ones they tie every single idea back into one of their already existing properties muddying them up with a ton of bullshit.
Also the refusal to retire characters and concepts like letting people grow old or stopping the process of bring back one off villain's and never letting them leave. keeps things bloated but I get it. Regardless of how much I want peter to settle down with MJ and start a family Marvel will never surrender one of their flagship characters.
Although all of this is predicated on the people making and in charge of the big two being good at their jobs.
ASM right now has none of that and people are pissed. Why are you complaining about it for Spider-Man now? Also, Batman has a dozen comics starring just him.
Marvel and DC tries new characters every so often. Nobody buys them. Blame yourself.
I’m not buying the Batfamily and spiderfamily and whatever family either
So you're not buying established characters, and you're not buying new characters either.
Why should I give a shit about your opinion again?
Imagine buying big2 capeshit when none of it truly matters. They are literally a retcon away from making those stories irrelevant.
My brother in Christ no piece of fiction "matters". It's not real. It's meant to engage your brain or at the very least entertain.
I'd vastly prefer this. But that's not what we have, and it's not what we're going to get any time soon. And complaining on a Laotian Snake-Milking forum isn't going to change that.
>My brother in Christ
Go back to twitter and stay there
Maybe these new characters would do better if they got any form of promotion. Oh and also letting other characters finally have a conclusion would be nice but we can't have that can we? Peter Parker will eternally be a poor photographer barely paying his monthly rent despite his massive, extensive resume.
>Nobody buys them.
Because they suck. Ben 10 and Hero Academia proves you can still make popular new heroes. You just need to tell interesting stories with them.
>Ben 10 and Hero Academia proves you can still make popular new heroes. You just need to for them to be cartoons and manga first
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You're right. But that's only true because the comic book industry is run by the most out of touch, moronic, unimaginative washouts on earth. They sat on the absolute worst distribution system possible for decades and watched web based content evolve like 3 separate times into different successful models.
Is this the guy who draws Annie?
The answer is no, there is no creativity left in Marvel or Dc. Even the trend of making everyone gay was already done back then in the 2010s.
They make new characters all the time, and yet you cry "What is this garbage fanfic character?" EVERY TIME. It doesn't matter what books do, regardless of quality, you have a perpetual need to be triggered and make threads to express it
Stop playing coy. You know exactly what he meant. No one wants to see Ms Marvel when Captain Marvel and Mr. Fantastic exist. No one wants to see Spider-Man...but from another universe! A-and he's little Asian girl! Its fine for onne What If/ Elseworlds story but its getting too much.
And yes we are aware of characters like Safespace, Snowflake, and Nonbinary Internet Fart Gas boy. You know... the characters coasting off the popularity of New Warriors? Read that if you want but based on the descriptions and designs alone you know those aren't real characters
You stop being coy, anon. I wasn't even referring to Ms. Marvel or those shitty New Warriors that got laughed into cancellation before ever dropping. We get villains, new heroes, and it doesn't matter what they are.
>Harley Quinn but its Himiko Toga
Okay. Honestly I'll give you this. The one time they try to change the status quo and develope a character (i.e. Harley Quinn dumping the Joker and become a vigilante lesbian) no one liked it and they still keep trying to push it. The Punchline thing just seems like a definite "no Harley will not get back with Joker she's been replaced get over it".
No what people didn't like was the crap New 52 writing with flip floppy characterization bullshit. They've since remained consistent. Other new characters too unfortunately didn't catch on
It depends. Guys like Hulk, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc. They were in accidents which could have happened to anyone. Fair enough.
Guys like Doctor Strange, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Silver Surfer were chosen specifically by some being to be the one and only. Having multiple Sorcerer Supremes or Guardians of sector 2814 makes no sense.
Batman trained himself afrom the age of 8-12 to mental and physical perfection. He also trained three boys of similar ages. Cassandra Cain and his own son were trained from birth. If you have the will and time you could feasibly learn from Batman. But a guy like signal, Orphan, and Batwing? It starts to get iffy.
And then you have guys like Superman, Wolverine, Groot. They were sold as being the only one of their species. Superman is the most egregious seing as Supergirl, Krypto, a small army of rogue Kryptonians, Doomsday, etc. all attack Earth on the daily. Wolverine at least has the excuse of being cloned. But still it gets iffy.
Bruce Wayne is also rich. You can do the
>rich guy is also a caped crusader by night
maybe three times in the same part of the world. But a lot of the new street vigilantes seem to be apart of Batman Inc or just barely scrapping by. Even when Dick left to Bludhaven he was struggling to be Nightwing and be a cop and not get evicted from his apartment
I’m the Green Lantern series they clarified the human Lanterns have different jobs
They just shouldn’t all come from America
Sorcerer Supreme IS a title, Strange even gave it up more than once before the 2000s. The current title starring Clea has been loads of fun too.
I get what you're saying though, my big problem with legacy characters is when people treat the original as if they sucked or were somehow less experienced or popular.
As for Groot, that's more marketing's fault. It's hard to keep him as this loveable childlike plant creature when he's also canonically an evil overlord with a huge body count, so introducing multiple Groots makes sense.
I feel they do this shit because marketers convinced them that every possible demographic needs a version of a successful character
I hate multiversal heroes like spider-man.
I think this is a natural consequence of milking characters dry for decades. They become more a brand than a character.
The solution is really just to launch new book with only tenuous at best connection to a greater universe and then if it gets popular then they can start pulling its characters and concepts for use in crossovers.
This issue is instead of doing this and keeping the successful ones they tie every single idea back into one of their already existing properties muddying them up with a ton of bullshit.
Also the refusal to retire characters and concepts like letting people grow old or stopping the process of bring back one off villain's and never letting them leave. keeps things bloated but I get it. Regardless of how much I want peter to settle down with MJ and start a family Marvel will never surrender one of their flagship characters.
Although all of this is predicated on the people making and in charge of the big two being good at their jobs.
I never realized how many industry shills came here
Don’t understand
It's time for new Ultimate lines
ASM right now has none of that and people are pissed. Why are you complaining about it for Spider-Man now? Also, Batman has a dozen comics starring just him.