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Obviously Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. Which character deserves the last spot?
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Wonder Woman, easily. Those 4 are indisputable
No.
Yes.
Iron Man and Hulk are more popular than her according to Google.
>Wonder Woman, easily
Why? Why is she iconic?
Because everyone and their grandmother knows about Wonder Woman and likely thinks of her first when asked to name a female superhero? She casts a huge shadow over the comic industry, whether it's deserved or not, and the icon status doesn't need to be backed up by a bunch of reasons like great stories or sales figures because that's not what being iconic means.
Source: Me, who hasn't read a single Wonder Woman comic, and isn't much of a DC superhero fan in general, and yet would name her if asked to name a female superhero.
>Because everyone and their grandmother knows about Wonder Woman and likely thinks of her first when asked to name a female superhero?
That's the only reason why she's known. DC keeps pushing her.
DC clearly ISN'T pushing her, otherwise she'd have more stories. She's just along for the ride because they can't get rid of her on account of how ICONIC she's always been.
>ICONIC she's always been.
But WHY is she iconic? Because she's the first female hero? That's a bit rubbish
It is but that's how it do be.
Not it isn't, because being iconic doesn't mean "has the best stories" or anything like that, otherwise something like Sandman would be more iconic than all the big 3, or Archie comics would be the most iconic comic because of how well it's always sold compared to comics that get sold in comic stores. You're making the mistake of trying to quantify why someone's iconic when the question is who IS iconic.
Stupid post
>Wonder Woman has 800 issues because uhhhhhhhhhhh shes a woman
kek cope. Captain Marvel is a character who is being pushed because she is a woman, and gets cancelled every single year.
I don't get why people are saying no to her. She's the First Lady of superheroes and one of the most famous female characters in comic book history.
It's gays who think iconic means "hero I like reading".
Gross
She’s only famous because she hitched her wagon to Superman and Batman. Her backstory changed like 20 times and most normies still couldn’t tell you what it is.
>Her backstory changed like 20 times and most normies still couldn’t tell you what it is.
That raises an interesting point- normies can tell you the backstory's of Batman, Superman, and Spiderman offhand plus at least a few of their most iconic villains. That's definitely not the case for WW, and I don't know that how true it is for Captain America, or Wolverine as a character independent of the resst of the X-Men. Off the top of my head Hulk is the only origin story as iconic as those ones, but in normie popular consciousness Hulk is mostly just known for fighting the army, his actual villains don't have much of a cultural footprint.
Captain America even before the MCU had a pretty iconic backstory, super soldier fighting for America in the war. In fact he's a rare example of a super soldier being portrayed as a hero instead of as a villain, genetic science portrayed as beneficial instead of an affront to nature. That makes him very unique and memorable.
It's a good and memorable backstory, but my thinking is really that when I was a kid no one knew or gave a frick about his backstory. Obviously that's not true now, but will the bump he got from the MCU be lasting enough that his backstory will be as universally known as Superman being launched from an exploding Krypton. In my thinking, to be Mt Rushmore-worthy that popularity/familiarity has to persist over multiple generations.
Captain America's backstory is simple and has remained relatively unchanged since his creation, he was a 4-F weakling that got turned into a super soldier using super drugs and radiation, all the stuff about his mother and being an art student isn't as well-known, but it's largely been unchanged.
both easily acceptable honestly, Cap's up there
>Superman etched his own face into a mountain
what a homosexual
Non-shopped version.
I think both are appropriate, even if I prefer Cap.
It’s either Captain America or Wonder Woman
>Captain America or Wonder Woman
Storm and Hulk have both spent decades being more popular than both
If you think Storm is a more iconic character than Wonder Woman you are mentally moronic
see
>lost the fan vote vs Storm in the Marvel/DC crossover
try reading comics instead of wiki articles
Autism Personified.
>still can't argue that WW is more iconic than Storm
Cope
Storm was 100% more iconic than WW like 20 years ago. Not as much these days but really all they have to do is make her a founding X-men in something not shit and she'll be right back on top.
Storm is just better than WW
>Storm is just better than WW
I don't really care for either character that much, but how so?
Mostly just way fricking better stories. Granted it's VERY important to keep in mind that Storm is a part of a team and not a solo act like WW but overall X-men comics where she stars are in have had way better plotlines.
WW meanwhile has like zero iconic storylines and even cartoons and even if we dip into the DCEU I'd go as far as to say fricking HawkGirl had better storylines than WW
I meant the DCAU. The animated universe.
Also I should probably add that Wonder Woman is easily more iconic but that's mostly due to her relation to Batman and Superman and as a 'founding members' of the JL and less on her own merit.
Hawkgirl is more iconic than Wonder Woman? Do you know what the word iconic means?
I didn't say that, no? First off we're talking about Storm vs WW and I was saying that WW is more ironic easily just that storm was a better character. I only brought up Hawkgirl to point out that even in the animated universe, she had better and more interesting stories than Dina (which is WW's main flaw, no one actually cares about the character herself) not that she was more iconic or anything. Obviously that's not the case
>that's mostly due to her relation to Batman and Superman and as a 'founding members' of the JL and less on her own merit.
Doesn't that count for Storm and her association with the X-Men even more considering she's had shit all for solo content? Even if Wonder Woman isn't nearly as popular as Batman or Superman, she can function as a solo act, Storm can't.
Sorta kinda. The thing is Storm is still a strong character even among the X-men. She's not like, let's say, Angel from the x-men who is just whatever even in terms of the team. Also Storm had a shit ton of solo focus as a character in the 80s and 90s. She was just part of a team at the same time.
>she can function as a solo act
Also this I actually disagree with it. She can in theory in terms of lore or whatever but her character is fairly flat and boring in practice and is easily outclassed by Flash (Wally version) and Hal from the GL. She's like a little about John tier maybe.
My point is that she's not relevant outside of anything non-X-Men related, she can't hold her own solo-wise because everything is contingent on her association with the X-Men. Wonder Woman, even if her books and other material have quality issues, is still able to stand apart from Batman, Superman, and the rest of the Justice League, because she actually has things going on that don't involve them, the same can't be said for Storm.
>Wonder Woman, even if her books and other material have quality issues, is still able to stand apart from Batman, Superman, and the rest of the Justice League
I 100% disagree with statement
It doesn't matter if you disagree with it, Wonder Woman has had solo books for longer than Storm has existed, even if they've mostly been shit.
Yeah and they always sold like shit and were nothing but wheel spinners. You're fricking moronic if you think WW functions as remotely anything but a team up crew member in practicality
You can't really argue with the reality of the situation. Wonder Woman has had a lot more media and popular culture devoted to her, and only her, and is the first female superhero on the mouths of people around the world way before Storm. Storm is only there when she has Cyclops or Wolverine to hang on to, fricking Black Panther is more relevant than her, even back when she was his b***h for a little bit.
>has had a lot more media and popular culture devoted to her, and only her
She really hasn't. see
The WW movies did like shit for the same reason
>The WW movies did like shit for the same reason
Only her second movie, her first one did really well even if it wasn't that good, and even if Wonder Woman's second movie bombed, her two movies is still more than what Storm has ever gotten.
Seriously, are you proving my point for me?
She had an iconic TV show, two movies, one of which was very successful. This is more than basically any other female superhero and most male ones too. Plus all the other merchandise like clothes, stickers, drink coasters, etc.
>The WW movies did like shit for the same reason
How many solo movies has Storm had, since we're counting? Surely she must have had dozens of them, considering how she's the most iconic female mutant...
>If you think Storm is a more iconic character than Wonder Woman you are mentally moronic
>Only time she won is because Wonder Woman handcapped herself
>Storm
You’re insane
>zoomers
always been the most popular xman after Wolverine and xmen until the mcu was #1 or 2 at marvel
Wolverine’s popularity peaked in the 80s/90s and has since dipped. Wolverine is nowhere near as iconic, and you’re a biased baiting Xgay
>Storm
HAHAHAHAHAHA oh you xgays are hilarious
Captain America is a terrible super hero. His obvious creation being fueled by government patriotism hurts him. But what hurts him even more? The fact he's only as strong as he is due to a serum while other heroes like Batman had to work out and build his muscles. Hell even the Ninja Turtles needed to bulk up and exercise and train to gain muscle. If your hero needs drugs to become strong then that's a lousy hero. Captain America not far removed from Batman's Bane who also uses drugs to bring his muscles to peak form.
yes as opposed to Superman and Spider-Man
Steve's biggest superpower is also his improbable knowledge of every form of combat which definitely came from training, and we're shown he also works out because while the serum boosted him massively he can still become even stronger (or lose the strength he has).
For a second there I thought that was Iron Man in the back, lifting heavier weights than Cap just to be an butthole.
>His obvious creation being fueled by government patriotism hurts him.
No, it doesn't. It makes his resistance to government bullshit all the better because it drives the point that even though they made him into what he is, he makes it known that they don't own him, and that he isn't their lapdog.
>The fact he's only as strong as he is due to a serum while other heroes like Batman had to work out and build his muscles.
When one was born into a poor, broken household with a sick, dying mother, an absent father, and with every human sickness possible barring whatever the hell made the Elephant Man into what he was, while the other was born with a great combination of genes and fortune worth billions with a loyal butler, the former cannot be faulted for taking a serum to become superhuman, just to fight the Nazis.
Wolverine.
Easy.
Yep.
Until they tried everything they could to replace him with X-23.
flash in the pan
Correct.
i'd put the entire Xmen team as the 4th place
some people like gambit more than wolverine
You can't put an entire team in one of the places, and the X-Men were massive in the 80s and 90s, they didn't sustain that level popularity permanently.
How were they not still massive in the 2000s and 2010s? Their books kept selling, they kept getting video games and TV shows (granted usually bad ones but it kept them in the news), and they got a grand total of 13 blockbuster films (11 if you exclude Deadpool) which were responsible for drastically altering the whole landscape of superhero cinema. The X-Men trilogy was huge in its day and even the later installments remained big despite being overshadowed by the MCU. Two of them made over a billion in modern USD at the box office adjusted for inflation (Deadpool and DOFP). Wonder Woman cannot even begin to compete, her sole bright spots in the 21st century were one movie (which was a big success) and some minor guest appearances in Batman and Superman movies and shows.
>Their books kept selling
Which ones?
>they kept getting video games and TV shows
At least you admit they were mostly dogshit or meh at best, quantity is not a quality in this case.
>which were responsible for drastically altering the whole landscape of superhero cinema
That was Spider-Man.
>The X-Men trilogy was huge in its day and even the later installments remained big despite being overshadowed by the MCU.
Huge? First Class and Wolverine: Origins made Captain America: The First Avenger money, back when Captain America wasn't a particularly huge draw as he was after The Avengers was a hit. The only real standout financially in that franchise was Days of Future Past.
>Wonder Woman cannot even begin to compete, her sole bright spots in the 21st century were one movie (which was a big success) and some minor guest appearances in Batman and Superman movies and shows.
Which is far more than any one single member of the X-Men that wasn't Wolverine.
Also, funny to note that the cutoff period for a lot of people seem to be primarily the 90s up to now. I can assure you that even before the X-Men got big that Wonder Woman was the most iconic female superhero, and that she still remains the biggest one now.
>Which ones?
A lot of them. X-Men to this day remains the fourth best selling superhero comic series, with 260 million single issues sold.
>At least you admit they were mostly dogshit or meh at best, quantity is not a quality in this case.
Quality does not determine exposure and popularity. The Transformers movies are dogshit yet they made the franchise more famous and popular.
>That was Spider-Man.
It was both, the X-Men trilogy predated Spider-Man and were the other big film franchise before the Avengers took off after 2012.
>
Huge? First Class and Wolverine: Origins made Captain America: The First Avenger money, back when Captain America wasn't a particularly huge draw as he was after The Avengers was a hit
The X-Men film franchise has made not that much less than Spider-Man
with about the same number of movies. DOFP and Logan were both big standouts, as well as both Deadpool films.
>Which is far more than any one single member of the X-Men that wasn't Wolverine.
Xavier is effectively the protagonist of the films that don't have Wolverine or Deadpool in the spot.
> I can assure you that even before the X-Men got big that Wonder Woman was the most iconic female superhero
Iconicity is not popularity.
>A lot of them. X-Men to this day remains the fourth best selling superhero comic series, with 260 million single issues sold.
Captain America has over 200 million for just his titles alone, that's even more impressive.
>Quality does not determine exposure and popularity.
My point is that despite their abundance, they were not well-received. Throwing shit at the wall doesn't encourage more people to support the brand, quite the opposite.
>It was both
No, just Spider-Man, no other superhero movie at the time generated as much money or notoriety, none of the X-Men movies in the franchise came close to it.
>The X-Men film franchise has made not that much less than Spider-Man
Highest grossing superheroes at the box office (unadjusted for inflation):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series
Spider-Man: $10.5 billion (not counting any Avengers crossovers)
Avengers: $7.7 billion ($8.9 billion if you count Civil War which you probably should)
Batman: $6.8 billion (including a Justice League crossover)
X-Men: $6.1 billion
Superman: doesn't make the top 20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
Best selling video game franchises:
Spider-Man: 41+ million
Batman: 22+ million
Others: don't make the 20+ million minimum to be listed with about the same number of movies. DOFP and Logan were both big standouts, as well as both Deadpool films.
Spider-Man: $3,311,113,189, Releases: 11
X-Men: $2,458,462,356, Releases: 14
That's not a small difference.
>How were they not still massive in the 2000s and 2010s? Their books kept selling
The X-Men got dethroned as the top selling comics in the industry early into the 2000s, and have never ever really recovered from that. Marvel continue to publish a lot of X-books because it's a business strategy that used to work, and there's still a fanbase that chimps out if there aren't 10+ books a month, but most of them don't sell so great anymore, only a few books of the line do that well.
>they kept getting video games and TV shows
Sure, but nobody really cared about any X-Men video games past the 90s Capcom ones, or any shows after Evolution. Nothing since really took off.
>and they got a grand total of 13 blockbuster films (11 if you exclude Deadpool)
Exclude Deadpool and you don't have many others that really count as blockbusters by modern standards. They were getting consistently mogged by other more popular superhero movies, and other big event movies. The final movies bombed.
It's this one.
He was already THE book-mover in the 90s, but Huge Jackedman cemented him as a top-4 not just among comics nerds but among normalgays as well into the 2000s
Hulk mogs the frick out of Wolverine in terms of sheer iconicness.
Hulk
Wolverine obviously.
It's Wondie, she's just got too much under her belt compared to 99% of others and as the biggest female hero she gets boosted
>the biggest female
lost the fan vote vs Storm in the Marvel/DC crossover
Many heroes beat her comic book sales, box office and tv
Remind me where Storm’s tv show is? Who’s had the longer solo book? An icon and popular Halloween costume? If your biggest argument was a rigged fan vote, then you’re hopeless
WW's solo books have always been more obligation than actually popular or selling well.
Otherwise yea she beats Storm easily in popularity.
That didn’t answer the question and you sound like a salty coping Xgay. When was the last time someone said Storm was their favorite hero? Most frickers don’t even know her real name!
>was a rigged fan vote
yeah, dc agreed to rig the vote so Wonder Woman loses because she wasn't an A lister
Nobody knows who your afrikang waifu is outside of xtards, the entire population of planet earth knows WW.
In all seriousness, as much pride as Storm fans take in that victory, it was a fan vote. Storm had next to no history as a solo character back then, but she was part of the most popular team book of that era. It was basically an "X-Men vs Wonder Woman" fan vote, and Marvel could have put any X-Men character up against Wonder Woman and got the same victory thanks to the size of X-Men fandom in the 90s.
>appealing to comic fans (a small minority of people) to gauge icon status
Yep, you are mentally fricking moronic. Ask 100 random people in the street who Storm is, you get 0 responses. Ask 100 random people who Wonder Woman is, you get 100 responses.
Nobody cares about superman aside from Snydercucks and men in their 40s. Only spiderman and superman are relevant and sales as well as representation in conventions/video content/online image sharing proves it.
Only spiderman and batman*
Frick, I just woke up. Only spiderman and batman matters.
The LGBT+ care about Superman now that he is a Pride icon.
Mexicans and Liberals also love him for being an illegal immigrant.
His gay son cancels out the love from the Mexicans.
Remember that DC did that to spite Siegel and Shuster Families out of Spite as they are doing right now against Batman's own due to the ongoing rights lawsuit for both Supes and Batman.
>Nobody cares about superman
Well see about that. Superman will be the first caped super hero to enter the public domain. When enough of his copyrights expire lets see if no one cares about him to make media for him. The real question however is will Warner allow it? I hear every part of Superman is trademarked even his freaking hair style. Sounds like a lot of bullshit on Warner's end.
People don't like it but it's Robin
Both my dead grandmas knew who he was and they never touched a piece of comic book related media
The only DC A-listers
That’s fair.
What's next vice presidents? First ladies? He just proves Batman should be there, he is nothing alone
He's THE sidekick, and likely more known and iconic than any other solo hero not in the OP
Nobody but comic fans know who Dick Grayson is though. Peter Parker, Clark Kent, Bruce wayne are icons, Robin is an amalgamate character in the eyes of popular culture.
No, you dumb homosexual. No one but comic fans know who Jason Todd, Tim Drake, or Damian Wayne are. Ask a boomer who Robin is, they will tell you Dick Grayson
Nobody is more delusional than Dickgays kek. No random person could tell you what Robin’s name is.
Everyone knows his name because it’s an insult for a peepee.
Yeah man. He didn't have an iconic show that was an enduring part of popular culture or anything.
Robin is only ever referenced with the preface of Batman. He doesn't count, he's just a coat hanger
Captain America.
Created in the same era as Superman, was huge when he debuted, lost his prominence for a bit afterwards but well-known, then managed to regain it in recent times. For a long period of time, he was one of the more well-known faces of Marvel alongside Spider-Man and Hulk, and the equivalent of "the hero" like DC's Superman.
However, Wonder Woman would be the fourth person if we're taking this realistically, simply because of female representation and all that.
Anyone saying Captain over Ironman is moronic tbh
Even by MCU terms Cap is more widely liked than Iron Man, and Steve is still an American icon. There’s a damn Broadway show on Cap at Disney
>Even by MCU terms Cap is more widely liked than Iron Man
There's no fricking way you actually believe that
Nobody gave a shit about Cap pre-MCU lmao. Yes he was more popular than Ironman but still not popular
>Nobody gave a shit about Cap pre-MCU lmao. Yes he was more popular than Ironman but still not popular
>time didn't exist until I was born
Zip it, zoomzoom.
Nobody fricking cares or are talking about the like 40s, moron.
>Sh-Shutup! ME! DAMMIT! ME! ONLY WHAT I EXPERIENCED COUNTS!
Dipshit.
is that why Steve has a fraction of Tony's screen time in all of the Avengers movies, grossed much less than him in his solo trouble, and had to have Tony step in as the fricking deuteragonist of his own trilogy finale to get people to watch it? I'm not even kidding, they have the exact same screen time in Civil War.
>they have the exact same screen time
>in the movie that's about Cap Vs Iron Man
what the frick did you expect from a Civil War adaptation??? If anything it's weird how they gave so much screen time to Bucky.
I expect Captain America 3 to be Captain America 3 and not Avengers 2.5.
So you're a fricking casual who just had no idea what Civil War was about? Because guess what, Cap is a main character in that and he spends most of the time fighting Iron Man/The State while both sides had their valid reasons for the side they chose. You couldn't deliver that shit in a movie without giving Iron Man equal or near-equal time. The movie just had Captain America in the title because they'd realised that it was moronic to expect people to side with Iron Man, which was their original plans with the comic, and so made it clear who you're rooting for.
>deuteragonist
Antagonist
Iron Man is known by capeshit audiences, Captain America transcended capeshit audiences like Superman or Wonder Woman. He’s an American icon
I legit think everyone forgot about him given his absence on the screen now.
There was just a Captain America TV show and another Captain America movie coming next year.
>b-but not Steve
Doesn't matter.
Dumbass, just going through the decades of each character, Captain America had more periods of cultural relevance and prominence than Iron Man. It was only until the past 15 years that RDJ made Iron Man a huge name in pop culture, with Captain America not far behind, despite the latter's character being hugely popular as far back as World War 2. Was there a lull in his popularity between then and the MCU? Sure, but that's still longer than most characters at Marvel that aren't Spider-Man and Hulk.
>Robin
I'd say he's an extension of Batman.
Flash.
Do Marvel have any heros that inspires dozens of copycats and parodies?
Just make two heads so you can have Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and your choice of Flash or Green Lantern on one, and another one with Spider-Man and three Wolverines.
Iron Man because of MCU
Wonder Woman isn't important and is just a diversity pick
Iron Man is not more iconic than Wonder Woman.
If you average out the last 50 years he's not, but if you average out the last 15 years, he most definitely is.
For a lot of people, some of these characters are older than even some of their grandparents, and they all had their periods of being hugely popular, some longer than others, and forget that Wonder Woman was far more of a well-known and popular character for a longer period of time. In the past two decades, Iron Man shits on her, but that wasn't the case for a long time before that.
The one who remained relevant for 10 years in big budgeted movies.
Him or Captain America.
Him.
Get a grip homie GL isn’t even more iconic than The Flash. Hal isn’t even in the top 10
This.
Hal’s run under Geoff is better than all of Superman, Flash, Batman and Wonder Woman’s runs tho.
Geoff Johns has never written anything good. If you loved Hal you'd want better than that shit.
GL is only good because of Geoff bringing back Hal as the driving force, moron.
This is how I know you are tasteless gay who doesn't actually like Green Lantern. Disgusting admission.
This, Geoffrey Thorne is the only guy to get understand Green Lantern better than anyone else.
But no one reads the comics. They're only popular if they're in games, movies or cartoons.
As of the end of 2022.
S List
- Spider-man
- Batman
A List
- Superman
- Hulk
- Iron Man
- Wolverine
- Wonder Woman
- Captain America
- Cat Woman
- Thor
B Tier
...
good mornings sirs. its wanda sirs
>GAME map
Get that crap out of here.
How is WW more popular than spider man in japan? Who made that list? What kind of shitty data that person used?
Yeah that's totally BS considering Spidey is actually pretty popular in Japan. I mean the dude was in Jojo and has had a few original mangas. The fricking Yuigioh artist has drawn a Spidey manga before.
>Argentina
I once said supes was my favorite superhero when they were asking us to do so and got bantered because of it on sixth grade 🙁
Argentina always oscillates between Superman and Batman.
>WW is most popular in Japan and Korea
kek who made this map? It's either Batman or Spiderman.
>UK
>Wonder Woman
Absolute joke. Almost certainly Batman or Spiderman.
Wolvern a decade ago, Ironman 5 years ago and no one now.
Anyone saying the Hulk is full of shit
Kind of has to be Wonder Woman. She isn't as popular but she is one of the most iconic. If we go by popularity alone Superman probably wouldn't even be on there, it be like Spider-man, Batman, Wolverine, and maybe Harley Quinn or Iron Man.
>S tier iconic status (everybody knows worldwide, even your 80 year old grandparents)
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Spider-Man
The Flash
The Hulk
>A tier (everyone under the age of 45 knows in western society)
Wolverine
Captain America
Iron Man
>he thinks the MCU was limited to just the western world
My grandma knows Wolverine better than Hulk or Flash because she saw all the movies and wants to frick Hugh Jackman.
>The Flash
You mean the same character who got his ass beat by Miles fricking morales at the box office?
Harley Quinn
Batman and Spiderman are obviously uncontested, but iconicness doesn't come from history but from what the people who are currently alive think. There's more people dying that would say Superman or Wonder Woman. And there's more people being born that will say Ironman and Cap. If they don't do something good with Superman soon, he will lose the 3rd spot.
>And there's more people being born that will say Ironman and Cap
Babies born today will have missed the MCU boom, the Iron Man movies will be like the Christopher Reeve Superman movies to them. Iron Man isn’t really popular outside of his MCU incarnation unlike Superman who is ubiquitously famous as a character in general. It’s all up to how Marvel uses the character in future tbh but knowing disney he will become irrelevant again
The riddler.
These days Iron Man would be the fourth most popular
Superhero Rushmore would be
>Superman
>Batman
>Spider-Man
>Wolverine
Supervillain Rushmore meanwhile is
>Thanos
>Venom
>Joker
>Lex Luthor
>Doctor Doom invented a fifth spot just to add himself there like that one mad scientist president from Futurama
The frick is Venom on the villain Rushmore? Magneto or Green Goblin have better claims than him.
Venom is way more well iconic than the Green Goblin tbh. You're thinking too much like a comic fan and not a normie 'I only see these guy's designs around' way
The Green Goblin is in most of the Spider-man movies, it's probably Willem Dafoe's most famous role. Venom had two famously shit movies where he's not even a villain in either of them. A normie would probably not even know Venom was a villain at this point.
You're very out of touch tbh
Venom hasn’t been a villain since the early 90s, he is more iconic as an antihero than a villain now. He doesn’t make the villain rushmore.
There's no way you're going to argue that Venom is more iconic and popular as a villain than Magneto, he's been in 3 times as many movies, and some of them were actually good.
I kind of see where he's coming from. Venomgays are autistic as frick in their love for him. You get people who own like five different venom statues or venom hoodies all because they thought venom was the coolest thing ever when they were a kid. Fricking NOBODY wears Magneto or GG hoodies, but you'll see hoodhomies wear corny venom hoodies.
That said, I'd disqualify him from the villain list for being an antihero/villain, personally. His iconic status relies way too much on people reading comics about him rather than the comics about Spider-Man fighting him.
in no way is Venom more iconic than Norman or Doc Ock
Venom's only been around for like half the time they have and he's already Peter's most popular villain, to the point where 90% of the adaptations now are basically forced to do the black suit in one way or another.
The weird thing is he CAN be a villain (namely in Spider-Man 3 or that 2017 Spider-Man show) but he flip flops between straight villain and anti hero everywhere except the comics.
I know the MCU made Thanos popular but Darkseid has been a more consistently popular villain and Thanos is just a lame copy.
>Joker
>Lex
>Darkseid
>Doc Ock
>Doom creating a fifth spot
no one cares about Darkseid boomer. If he's not in a blockbuster movie or triple A video game he doesn't matter.
Darkseid has never needed those to be popular. Nor does Doom. They're just great characters. Thanos is such a shit character he had to be entirely reinvented for normalgays to even like him.
He was in DCAU's Superman and Justice League.
JLU averaged about 1/5 the viewership of Smallville. It was never a big show.
I wanna say wolverine but wonder woman is part of the DC trinity so I guess it could be also her
Btw who do you think is the equivalent of wonder woman from marvel? In terms of being the most popular female superhero
The thing is though that Wonder Woman's got a massive gap in popularity between her and Batman/Superman.
I'd sooner believe the Flash being a part of Rushmore than her.
It depends on what qualifies you. In terms of just iconic status, people knowing your name and what you look like, Wonder Woman clears most everyone else even if no one actually gives a frick about her. And after the movies she might actually be legit more popular than Flash or GL. And really if we measure by popularity and sales alone the 4th guy is probably going to be Wolverine, Hulk, or Iron Man over any of those three.
Jimmy Olsen. Had his own comic and everything because Superman's Pal was just THAT iconic.
This thread was made by a baiting Xgay wanting to argue
Goku.
not a superhero
No gays allowed!
Superman is right there
Superman, don't make fun of Goku like that!
Of course Superman loves gays of all kind
Superman! Stop insulting DB fans! That's not nice!!!
Superman would never insult gays
see
Goku literally would not give a frick
Because he is one.
You know I really doubt Goku would dislike gays. All he'd care about is how strong they are and would respect them if they were.
>sameface on the queer couples
That's way more insulting.
Me on the right
I hate modern fashion, Jesus Christ
she doesnt count now that she is fricking robocop with no arms and legs
Unless they pulled out that she awoke wolverine's regeneration
Probably Iron Man. Only other two options are Bub and Hulk and the MCU killed Hulk’s popularity turning him into a beta cuck
Shazam
The X-Men as a collective. They were a team book from day 1 so it feels right.
Fantastic Four is more iconic than X Men
God you people are so fricking out of touch that it's amazing
I think the Fantastic Four is the best superhero team of all time because they've never had a need to update the roster. It was pure perfection as it was created. However the X-Men are more iconic and more popular.
Yes but as a weird mix of the OG team and the second team
>Cyclops
>Beast
>Nightcrawler
>Storm
>Wolverine
>Charles
>Colossus
That's the dream team with Kitty and Jubilee being the gen 2 guys
Wolverine then.
A lot of people in these kind of discussions don't adress how multi-layered the topic is.
Wonder Woman, for example, is a super iconic brand. Everyone around the world knows her, but how many people actually give a shit about a single storyline of hers? You could argue Superman suffers from this to a lesser degree. He's Mr. Capeshit to the world, but only a smaller group has actually cared about him deeply in the past 50 years and could name 5 villains.
In 2023, Spider-Man and Batman are a tier of their own.
>but only a smaller group has actually cared about him deeply in the past 50 years and could name 5 villains.
I disagree with this. He's not Batman tier but he's nowhere near like WW tier
>most iconic
Superman
Wonder Woman
Spider-Man
Batman
>most popular
Spider-Man
Batman
Iron Man
???
>Iron Man
Maybe in 2019. He's gone from the movies and the comics haven't produced anything noteworthy in recent times.
In the context of modern times, yes, Superman has lost a lot of popularity in the face of other heroes like Iron Man, but he's still extremely recognizable, and his total history lends itself to being a lot more successful and iconic than most superheroes, so his face would be a given.
Still, I think Wonder Woman would get the fourth face, simply because she's by far the most recognizable female superhero, even if she isn't the most popular, which nowadays would seem to be Scarlet Witch, simply because of her more extensive history as being -the- superheroine, even if I think Captain America is more appropriate for the fourth spot given his own history in comics and other media.
S-Tier: Spider-Man
A-Tier: Batman, Iron Man, Wolverine/X-Men
B-Tier: Superman, Thor, Captain America, Black Panther, Hulk
Keep in mind pic related is from before his MCU push and his side characters getting their own universes, so if anything the disparity should be much bigger now. I'd bet Venom alone is pretty competitive with Superman in money in the last 30 years and head and shoulders above any other DC character.
Spider-man has NOT surpassed Batman yet.
sorry forgot pic.
Keep in mind also that the Spider-Man film franchise has like twice the box office gross of the Batman film franchise despite starting over a decade later. And that Spider-Man has way more quality games, the best of which are on par with Batman's best (above them in sales). Depending on how you measure it his movies, on their own, are the second or third highest-grossing film franchise of all time.
Spider-Man surpassed Batman ages ago.
Spider-Man passed Star Wars yesterday as the second highest grossing franchise of all time. Spider-Man PS4 sold double Arkham City did and he triumphs him in merch. They aren’t even in the same league.
>Superman got cucked and had a gay son
>Goku doesn’t know how to kiss his wife
>Batman loves getting raped
>Luffy loves eating “””meat””” (cause he’s gay)
Manchildren bros…why are our heroes so lame?
Spawn just for the token non big 2 rep.
TMNT and TWD are way more popular than Spawn
Hellboy's gotten more movies than Spawn and loads of normies would probably know who you're talking about if you said "the guy with the big red hand".
Hellboy is so disappointing. I really wanted to love his comics after all the hype but he's so fricking mid as an actual character outside of his design.
It's all about whether you like pulpy ghost story adventures or not. As someone whose favourite episode of cartoons was always the halloween episode I love his adventures. The movies really didn't capture that because they have him saving the goddamn world all the damn time, instead of just investigating some simple haunting or a beast that's causing trouble for the local villagers. They even had him be a secret agent that has the be hidden because the public would fear and hate him, instead of being the guy who's loved wherever he goes because he's saved so many small towns across the years that you can't fear him.
Even then, though, BPRD is where the real grandeur and feelings are at. At this point they should just make an HBO-tier BPRD show.
this is a complete side aside to the OP's question, but I saw the Hellboy talk and I just wanted to say that I started reading it a couple of days ago, for the very first time, and it's really fricking good. Super solid writing, great art, amazing mood to the layouts and coloring.
Carol has surpasssed Wonder Woman as the top comic female so she should be on it
>>>>>
(You)
Batman, Spider-Man, Spider-Man Miles Morales, Iron Man.
Superman hasn't had a good comic, movies or TV show in decades. Same for wondy.
Only accounting for anything in the past one and a half decades, maybe, but in their totality, Miles isn't even a drip of diarrhea compared to Superman or Wonder Woman.
Not even in the past decade, all miles has is spider-verse and Wonder Woman did way better than both of them in the box office. ATSV still hasn’t passed Man of Steel and Justice League yet too.
Movies aside, I meant more in a modern context, where the trend is taking the piss out of and trying to deconstruct Superman, while feigning genuine interest over a character about as exciting as chewed bubble gum on a sidewalk like Miles, whose novelty is that he's a black Spider-Man.
pic related
Spider-Man, Iron Man, Black Panther, and Batman.
Not even kidding.
>Black Panther
I'll bite, why?
1. His film duology already made over $2 billion and he has another coming, plus prominent supporting roles in 3 Avengers movies and now every Avengers game from now to the future. In raw money he's already up there.
2. Black Panther is a historically significant film in a way that basically no other superhero movie is. Not because "first black superhero in a movie" or anything, but because "first successful, mainstream, Sub-Saharan African fantasy setting." That and it's the most popular movie with almost entirely black actors in history, and it touches upon racial tension. It's unprecedented for a Hollywood movie with black leads and almost all-black supporting cast to achieve this level of success, and that gives Black Panther a level of cultural significance no other superhero movie has.
Long after the other MCU movies are remembered as just "okay movies", Black Panther will still be regarded as a cultural milestone. It'll be in mainstream history textbooks.
To really put this in context: Black Panther is the fifth highest-grossing film at the American box office, ever. Higher than the Avengers. Higher than Infinity War. Higher than any Superman or Batman movie. Only beaten out by a Spider-Man film.
I would call you a Black person, but only a white cuckold could be this delusional. So since you're an inherently evil colonizer, why not have a nice day?
MCU aside, the point is that characters like Superman and Wonder Woman have been iconic, culturally relevant, and more easily recognized by more people across the world for much longer than Black Panther. Black Panther has them beat at the box office, but that's not taking into account absolute everything each character has been recognized for in their totality. Even if you were to argue regarding popularity purely across lines, I still see more blacks wearing more Superman, Wonder Woman, and Captain America clothing and merch than I see Black Panther.
>across racial lines
Adding to this, even just arguing from Marvel comics alone, he hasn't had the same cultural impact or success. For context, Captain America is second only to Spider-Man in the amount of solo character titles sold.
>Obviously Batman, Superman and Spider-Man
Why Superman? He hasn't been a popular moneymaker since the 1970s, and even in "iconicity" he's been dwarfed by Iron Man, Captain America, and the X-Men in recent years.
>and even in "iconicity" he's been dwarfed by Iron Man, Captain America, and the X-Men in recent year
Nah. Superman is still the blueprint superhero. Otherwise shit like Invincible and The Boys wouldn't work.
TV Homelander is more Captain America than he is Superman, especially after they started leaning very heavily into him being a jingoist political commentary who calls soldiers "the real heroes" and wears the American flag. See also: his origin as a super soldier created with Nazi super science drugs and his push to be allowed to join the military.
(He's much closer to Captain America in absolute power level too, though not relative)
Wonder Woman, as an actual character/IP and not a costume, is known to general audiences solely because of one 2017 movie (her other one bombed) and guest spots in two Batman/Superman movies. That's it.
She has no video games, unless you count perfunctory appearances whenever DC makes a fighting game (BLUE BEETLE SWEEP!!!).
The Lynda Carter show was 50 fricking years ago. She hasn't had a major role in any other TV shows of note besides as a supporting character in Superman and Batman shows, which have a lot lower viewership than Cinemaphile seems to think (JLU had about 1/5 of Smallville's or a contemporary Star Trek show for comparison).
Her straight-to-DVD movies sold well by those standards... meaning each shipped a few hundred thousand units IN TOTAL. Totally irrelevant.
Comic books have also been irrelevant for half a century, but it's worth noting that even in that context, she isn't popular. She doesn't make Wikipedia's "List of best-selling comic series" page, and Comichron's latest numbers have her book outside of the top 20 (funnily enough there are literally 12 Batman books in that category).
>has frick all content
>still the 4th most iconic superhero
damn, she based
Chris chan
DC marketing managed to make wonder woman almost mickey mouse tier recognizable even though shes a very weird unpopular character. Impressive, I guess?
Wondy was always pretty iconic, until the 2000s, when Marvel cornered the market on "unstable female heroes". Then she was overshadowed by pretty much all the major X-Women.
But then the MCU took off, and Marvel tried to downplay the X-Men because of the movie licensing problems. With a bit of a female capeshit vacuum, DC could start making Diana matter to the general public, hence her first movie doing pretty good.
Even before her show in the 70s, Wonder Woman had already been elevated to that kind of status where she was recognizable even to people who've never read comics. That's not really something many other comic heroines managed. Within the specific demographic of comics readers, the various X-Men women were more popular than Wonder Woman in the 80s and 90s, but outside of comics readers, only 90s kids who watched their cartoon might consider them more recognizable and known than Wonder Woman, the movies didn't do much to raise the profile of any female characters except Mystique, a villain.
In comics in the 2000s, the X-books were already in decline and being outsold by other Marvel titles before the MCU was even a thing. Marvel's attempts to push some of the X-Men heroines in solo books failed every time. Blaming movie licensing is largely cope, the X-Men's time on top of Marvel was already over before that became an issue with Marvel's management in the 2010s.
Why fight over four plots on a mountain when you can just keep adding to one cliff face?
The correct Mt. Rushmore is Superman, Asterix, Buck Rogers, and Popeye.
No if you mean comics in general then it's Luffy, Goku, Naruto and Tanjiro.
I didn't stutter, moron
In terms of legacy? Shazam/Captain Marvel.
Who has the most famous / iconic origin anyways?
Is it straight up just Batman? I have to imagine that Spidey and the uncle ben stuff is a second at least.
Wonder Woman was more well known than any X-Man, Hulk, or Captain America for decades and still more iconic
You're just looking for your favorites to be there if you disagree
>well-known
>iconic
Being able to identify a costume means jack for actual popularity. She has borderline nonexistent transmedia presence and her books have never been that big.
Cope and seethe
Goku
the 4th most popular would be someone that has a backstory everyone knows of, Superman Spider-Man and Batman have backstories that everyone knows
That would probably be the Hulk?
>Batman
>a backstory everyone knows of
Superman and Batman origins have been parodied the most. So, I guess them. Ironically, I haven’t seem many spiderman copycats.
I feel like "bitten by a radioactive x" is a pretty damn common parody.
I don’t think thats very common at all. If anything its, “generic lab accident causing x powers”.
spidey is the embodiment of the teenage super hero, he's the one people are going to think whenever there is a highscool/college age mc even if they aren't full copys
miles morales
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/
Highest grossing superheroes at the box office (unadjusted for inflation):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series
Spider-Man: $10.5 billion (not counting any Avengers crossovers)
Avengers: $7.7 billion ($8.9 billion if you count Civil War which you probably should)
Batman: $6.8 billion (including a Justice League crossover)
X-Men: $6.1 billion
Superman: doesn't make the top 20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
Best selling video game franchises:
Spider-Man: 41+ million
Batman: 22+ million
Others: don't make the 20+ million minimum to be listed
Why are people arguing about popularity? By that logic Trump and Obama should be on Mt Rushmore now
>All Captain America has is a nazi stereotype and nazis are extremely obsolete as villains
They are absolutely not, not counting Wolfenstein, there were plenty of video games that had you killing Nazis, it never gets old.
he was the villain in several video games like Ultimate Spider-Man and Web of Shadows and the 2007 movie which matter more.
Ben Ten.
Heroes
Pepe
Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man.
AKA the only heroes that will still be remembered in 100 years.
>prior to MCU
Top 4 of Marvel were Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider
>Post MCU
Spider-man, Iron Man, Cpt. America, Hulk or Thor
The 4th is Hulk if its two and two.
>Mvl
Caps. Wolvie. Iron M. Black P.
>DC
Black Adam(Google 2022 results)
Wondy.
I place my bets on none.
Either Wolverine or Wonder Woman
Robin and Wonder Woman are the only actual contenders
its Robin
everybody including every single normie knows Batman and Robin.
wolverine, hulk, wonder woman or flash
Shazam
The TMNT