The theory at the time, including by the highest authorities in Europe, was the Open Polar Sea Theory. The evidence for it was the Labrador and Kuroshio Currents carrying warm water thought to come from the Arctic.
Why go so far north did they think it was going to get warmer?
The reality is, no matter how you cut it, there was no economic reason for the NW passage, it was stupid. Explorations can happen for the sake of exploration and mapping but it was foolish to think they could ever reliably use that passage.
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The reality is, no matter how you cut it, there was no economic reason for the NW passage, it was stupid. Explorations can happen for the sake of exploration and mapping but it was foolish to think they could ever reliably use that passage.
But what if they weren't suffering from lead poisoning and scurvy tho?
The worst part is that the search operations were already getting underway when Crozier and his men set out on land. If they'd wintered on the ships just one more year, which was certainly doable, they might've been found.
One of the big books about the expedition (Frozen in Time, iirc?) posits that some of the men might have still been alive inland when Ross arrived, though realistically they were probably beyond saving at that point and Ross wouldn't have been able to make it that far inland in time anyway.
I don't know if this was something made up for the show only, but I think Crozier's concern that the ice might break up the ships was legitimate.
>Crozier's concern that the ice might break up the ships was legitimate.
It wasn't, actually, they somehow managed to move the south after they got frozen in, indicating that the ice did unfreeze at some point though not enough to travel out of the King William Land area.
Yes, but I think the concern was that if the severe winters continued (they basically encountered freak winters when they were there) that the ship would break up if the ice pack grew. It ended up being wrong, but it was a possibility.
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The ice stayed frozen for almost 10 years after they got stuck in it
The erebus sank in the ice fields so it’s likely the ice broke it apart due to the iron hull being too brittle after prolonged exposure to the cold.
The terror somehow made its way down to terror bay (not named after the ship) before sinking in shallow waters so you have to question if there was someone on board steering it or if it was just drifting with the wind and currents.
Both ships were discovered in 2012-2015 or something and the cucked brits gave the rights of the wrecks to the fricking indians so we might never know wtf happened.
If I ever become a billionaire I'm stealing those wrecks and no slant eyed frick is going to stop me
Yes, but a few of them may have made it all the way into Canada. Tozier may have gotten with a few hundred miles of Canadian settlements before he just disappeared.
Most likely all of them died, the stories of a couple of them surviving by walking all the way to canada is not all that believable since none of them ever tried to contact their loved ones or their relatives, which makes me suspect that its all just tall tales.
The more you read about the expedition and the year/ climate at the time the more you start to realise that they were doomed the second they set sail from england. >the onset of the coldest decade of the century >their ships were top of the line but they were too heavy and too slow to break ice >their canned food rations were poorly made, had been sealed with bad quality lead that seeped into the food and a lot of it was uncooked and raw >most of the crew had never been to the arctic or the antarctic before
A lot of people argue that it was the choice to sail up the channel and not along king williams island that doomed them but they would have gotten stuck in the ice either way, and during those 6-10 years following them getting stuck the ice didn’t melt at all even during summer because of the exceptionally cold temperatures.
Even several of the ships that came looking for them got stuck in the ice and needed rescuing themselves.
It was a shit show from day one and there are no scenarios where they make it out alive except if they turned around before the last whaleing stations.
>Giant ships full of supplies >Could have sailed anywhere >Any island paradise, literally any place on earth >Sailed straight into the 9th circle of hell
Am I crazy or did these guys collectively make the biggest L possible? I'd have gone to hawaii or something...
The real Crozier was the son of a wealthy squire from Northern Ireland and a reasonably socially prominent figure in London. The whole identity plot was bunk. Also, the ppl naysaying the bear are morons without an imagination. It was a good show, better and more epic than The North Water. I just wish they adapted Summer Of Night from the same author, it's like hyper-Stephen King.
>The whole identity plot was bunk
What do you mean? The show didn't make him out to be a total nobody, just that he reached the limits of what he could without the benefit of a better title or unsavory means like Fitzjames. Also the show established that it wasn't his background that was holding him back it was his own attitude and alcohol issues, Franklin was totally right about him.
And considering King's track records for the screen I don't think comparing any work to his is a compliment.
By his standards and the generally accepted class distinctions of the time he feared he was an imposter because he was a bastard son of an English aristocrat and Portuguese woman, who made himself a successful man to hide it.
In all ways that mattered he was English (English education, good home, career in the British Navy and was a lauded man in society) but he himself is making clear he was always riven by doubt and that's why he tried so hard and got so far but in the end it didn't even matter.
>The real Crozier was the son of a wealthy squire from Northern Ireland
His father was an Anglo-Norman lawyer. Northern Ireland wasn't created until more than 100 years later.
>The real Crozier was the son of a wealthy squire from Northern Ireland and a reasonably socially prominent figure in London. The whole identity plot was bunk.
When you’re a practicing Anglican from Ulster who leads Sunday services but they write you as a Catholic paddy from southern Ireland, lol
Reading the book now. It's pretty kino. Crozier getting turned down by that prostitute in Australia filled me with incel rage. I hate women so much it's unreal.
yeah well he was Northern Irish irl.
there was a bit in the book about him and his grandma when he was a kid, I can’t remember if she was catholic or something but it made it stand out that he wasn’t English like the other officers.
it’s been a while since I read al this stuff but I think Franklin was actually chosen over Crozier because he was English and his wife was a PR war machine, he was kind infamous for botching an Arctic expedition before and having a bunch of men starve.
>Northern Irish isn't an ethnicity.
you're literally right but if you argue this in ireland, a person from either side of the border will set you straight
>you're literally right but if you argue this in ireland, a person from either side of the border will set you straight
I'm from Lisburn m8. This isn't controversial. It's well known there are two separate societies here. It is a weird choice to make Crozier Irish when the real man wasn't.
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lisburns so bad its unreal got a fond place in my heart for it though
I think we arguing about the wrong thing, I'm on your side of the argument that it is distinct. However francis and his father were born and lived in banbridge, surely if its between english and irish he falls on the irish side, if you were to give that much of a shit about it
the naval and crown services certainly saw it that way anyway
Im not from the Bri’ish isles so I would agree with you in theory in the current year, but back then idk.
but in the book and show he is portrayed as “non actually English” multiple times and I think there is some truth to Franklin being chosen as the expedition captain over Franklin. John Franklin was old and mocked but he was closer to the Navy’s upper spheres, being from England proper. Crozier was lower on the social ladder.
>but back then idk
Even more so back then. This is set around the beginning of the hunger during à Court's governorship of Ireland. Crozier may not have been particularly high on the social ladder but would not have even been comparable to the native Irish. .
lisburns so bad its unreal got a fond place in my heart for it though
I think we arguing about the wrong thing, I'm on your side of the argument that it is distinct. However francis and his father were born and lived in banbridge, surely if its between english and irish he falls on the irish side, if you were to give that much of a shit about it
the naval and crown services certainly saw it that way anyway
>However francis and his father were born and lived in banbridge, surely if its between english and irish he falls on the irish side
No. This is the equivalent of saying George Washington "falls on the native american side"
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i have no idea what ur argument is anymore, are you saying we're both english?
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My argument is that Crozier wasn't Irish irl.
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no he wasn't, but if there was a scale between native irish bog bastard and central native englishman crozier would be at least 25% the way up it
he was more irish than his peers which made them throw spuds at him
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in the book he wasn’t portrayed as Irish though, I’m guessing he wouldn’t have been allowed to climb the officers ranks if he was?
there was that passage about his grandmother who might have been catholic or something to that effect, no idea of that is true about the real Crozier. in any case it served to separate him from the rest of the officers who were of full English stock, but most of all Franklin and Fitzjames were written as wienery about their special relationship with the Navy’s upper circles while Crozier didn’t have that sort of relationship.
also I just remembered Crozier was salty about being rejected by Franklin’s niece years before while visiting Australia when Franklin was governor. I think the book implied he had too low a social standing and she married some other posh c**t.
yeah well he was Northern Irish irl.
there was a bit in the book about him and his grandma when he was a kid, I can’t remember if she was catholic or something but it made it stand out that he wasn’t English like the other officers.
it’s been a while since I read al this stuff but I think Franklin was actually chosen over Crozier because he was English and his wife was a PR war machine, he was kind infamous for botching an Arctic expedition before and having a bunch of men starve.
The book goes into much more detail about Crozier's backstory
Part of the reason he survives is because deep down he's pretty spiritual, more so than any of the other sailors, because of this formative experience he had as a child where he was snuck into a Catholic church and took the sacrament. That buried-deep spirituality is what enables him to make a kind of peace with the Tuunbaq at the book's end
he still gets to frick both Franklin’s niece and Lady Silence in the end so I’d say Crozier won.
Also, what was the deal with the long toothed skeleton in the ship’s hold? I don’t think I understood the meaning.
At least in the show, he was just smart and observant enough to connect the dots from the start. Every time something supernatural or weird happens you can see his gears turning. He was the first one to connect Lady Silence to Tuupac's attacks or lack thereof and by the end he understood it was a supernatural being.
So no, the show never explicitly states or implies he figured out the shaman ritual but it's fair to assume the show expected the viewer to assume he figured it out.
There were allegedly several scenes left out of the final episode due to constrains so who knows if originally they intended to explain it.
Originally just wanted to start a new life away from england where he presumably was wanted for some kind of criminal activity then lost his shit when he saw the tuunbaq and decided he wanted to be some kind of shaman or deity, if you've ever been around tweakers or people with certain mental illnesses (schizophrenia and manic phases of bipolar 1 come to mind) they really do behave exactly like this guy with the pointless scheming and unhinged obsessions over insane shit
>(schizophrenia and manic phases of bipolar 1 come to mind) they really do behave exactly like this guy
Frick off you fricking dickhead.
I got hit with schizophrenia 12 years ago and I am in no way a degenerate.
I know 2 people with BPD (women) and they are meek people.
You are a moron. Equating external environmental factors to reality.
Like your last boyfriend had BPD and he rough fricked your ass so every person who has schizo or BPD is a homosexual like you and him are.
You are a moron in your make believe world you "assume" because you have clearly never met anyne with schizophrnia, you somehow equate 1 persons behaviour with an entirety of people afflicted with the same illness.
Like in your mind every Black person is a thief because 1 Black person is a thief
Every person with cancer is a weak frail person because you seen 1 person with cancer weak and frail.
Every man is a homosexual, because when you look in a mirror, you see a homosexual.
You are clearly moronic beyond comprehension. Low INT so much you cannot even fathom how moronic you are.
I'm not judging it you dumbass I'm just pointing out that the worst examples of those conditions or of heavy meth users can often end up behaving in a similar way
I have nothing but compassion for anyone afflicted with any kind of mental condition because I am myself and I know intimately how hard and miserable of a life it is but there's no denying that you get the occasional specimen who externalizes it in the worst way and behaves like Mr Hickey, and rather than denying it we should try to empathize and connect with these people before something awful and tragic happens and hopefully prevent it instead of pretending like they're some other alien species instead of people just like us but with different factors having affected their trajectory
I finished it today and it quickly became my favourite series. No boring drama, no silly romances, no awkward sex scenes. Just men surviving against nature.
>Which of the Navy's ice ships shall we commandeer for our next dangerous Arctic expedition, Admiral? >Yes, my good man, I must decide... I believe we'll take HMS Cold-and-Paranoid-Fear and her twin, the We're-All-Going-To-Die. A worthier pair of ships there never were. >Aye, a fine choice, sir.
People kind of knew it was a cursed expedition. It’s why those who got sent got sent. A lot of people gave the admiralty excuses as to why they didn’t want to be officers on the musso
>nothing but praise for this show >finally watch it >absolutely fantasti- >episode 3 onward is about a terrible cgi magic bear
Genuinely what the frick were they thinking
Educated enough to know they were fricked, no matter how much effort he put in he was a dead man walking + just had his heart broke
dude just gave up and decide to go out through exposure / starvation instead of pointlessly torturing himself to death hauling boats
This was honestly the most kino scene I've seen on a TV show since fricking who even knows when. Such levels of tragic brotherhood are unreasonably hard hitting.
>The whole identity plot was bunk
What do you mean? The show didn't make him out to be a total nobody, just that he reached the limits of what he could without the benefit of a better title or unsavory means like Fitzjames. Also the show established that it wasn't his background that was holding him back it was his own attitude and alcohol issues, Franklin was totally right about him.
And considering King's track records for the screen I don't think comparing any work to his is a compliment.
>Crozier is made out to be a brash idiot >Disliked by his superior, big clashes >Becomes defacto leader once his superior dies >Clashes with his new second-in-command, foreshadowing trouble between them in the future >Becomes a huge incompetent drunk >Out of nowhere gets himself sober at great personal difficulty >Makes strong leadership decisions >The foreshadowed clashing between him and Fitzjames instead pivots into them becoming as close as brothers in the face of oblivion
Why the frick can we not have more shows like this? Why does every show need to be Walking Dead-tier everybody is a moronic butthole that can never overcome their vices and constantly act spiteful and deceptive towards each other?
The easiest way to get compelling drama is to have characters at each other's throats. Hence the abundance of big argument scenes, cheating plotlines, etc etc. in modern shows, which don't really reflect reality. Most people's lives aren't chock full of big dramatic arguments or fights. And since most hack writers will go for the easy path, this kind of combative and antagonistic drama usually ends up poorly written.
It's much harder to write positive/cooperative drama well, which tends to require more subtle and thought out writing if it's going to avoid being too saccharine and risk insincerity.
WESTWARD FROM THE DAVIS STRAIGHT
'TIS THERE IT WAS SAID TO LIE
THE SEA ROUTE TO THE ORIENT, FOR WHICH SO MANY DIED
SEEKING GOLD AND GLORY
LEAVING WEATHERED, BROKEN BONES
AND A LONG FORGOTTEN, LONELY CAIRN OF STONES
From the outside it looks hot but the reality is that it's a cold hell there. God, the Terror was such a kino series. Shame we get these once in a blue moon nowadays.
Many manly tears were shed.
homie you gay
what a gay
Yeah, sure, whatever gets me out of this awkward moment.
>*obligatory manbear hate post*
>newbie can't inb4
Did they all really die?
no they're doing fine, they just did a zoom interview last week
In the book Crozier gets to live and spend the rest of his life cooming in Lady Silence.
Wonder if his jizz gets frozen coming out.
Yes. They were dead the moment they got frozen in the ice.
jesus that's depressing
did they ever stand a chance?
Why go so far north did they think it was going to get warmer?
The theory at the time, including by the highest authorities in Europe, was the Open Polar Sea Theory. The evidence for it was the Labrador and Kuroshio Currents carrying warm water thought to come from the Arctic.
No.
The reality is, no matter how you cut it, there was no economic reason for the NW passage, it was stupid. Explorations can happen for the sake of exploration and mapping but it was foolish to think they could ever reliably use that passage.
When are these three kinographers linking up again
I wish they’d done the series with the same cast but in different stories each season. That would’ve been cool.
without any gimmicky supernatural shit it would be kino
>Crozier dies
>that far south
wut
I don't think there's even an estimate of where Crozier died, where is this from?
There was hearsay that Europeans were spotted in that area, but there's no indication of who it was.
Could have just been whalers or trappers too
But what if they weren't suffering from lead poisoning and scurvy tho?
Why didn't he just go to the gulf bird sanctuary, there would have been food there
The worst part is that the search operations were already getting underway when Crozier and his men set out on land. If they'd wintered on the ships just one more year, which was certainly doable, they might've been found.
One of the big books about the expedition (Frozen in Time, iirc?) posits that some of the men might have still been alive inland when Ross arrived, though realistically they were probably beyond saving at that point and Ross wouldn't have been able to make it that far inland in time anyway.
I don't know if this was something made up for the show only, but I think Crozier's concern that the ice might break up the ships was legitimate.
>Crozier's concern that the ice might break up the ships was legitimate.
It wasn't, actually, they somehow managed to move the south after they got frozen in, indicating that the ice did unfreeze at some point though not enough to travel out of the King William Land area.
Yes, but I think the concern was that if the severe winters continued (they basically encountered freak winters when they were there) that the ship would break up if the ice pack grew. It ended up being wrong, but it was a possibility.
The ice stayed frozen for almost 10 years after they got stuck in it
The erebus sank in the ice fields so it’s likely the ice broke it apart due to the iron hull being too brittle after prolonged exposure to the cold.
The terror somehow made its way down to terror bay (not named after the ship) before sinking in shallow waters so you have to question if there was someone on board steering it or if it was just drifting with the wind and currents.
Both ships were discovered in 2012-2015 or something and the cucked brits gave the rights of the wrecks to the fricking indians so we might never know wtf happened.
If I ever become a billionaire I'm stealing those wrecks and no slant eyed frick is going to stop me
Wouldn't it have been documented if the search party found the ships
>The wrecks of the HMS Erebus and Terror were discovered in 2014 and 2016,
I don't think they had 170 years worth of food available
How do you know that? Were you there?
>He, he, they still don't know.
you WILL eat the tinned rations
you WILL trust the science
Imagine plotting out this distance on your maps and realising how unbearably far away you are from it all.
Amateurs
Damn they look rugged
Yes, but a few of them may have made it all the way into Canada. Tozier may have gotten with a few hundred miles of Canadian settlements before he just disappeared.
no
Most likely all of them died, the stories of a couple of them surviving by walking all the way to canada is not all that believable since none of them ever tried to contact their loved ones or their relatives, which makes me suspect that its all just tall tales.
The more you read about the expedition and the year/ climate at the time the more you start to realise that they were doomed the second they set sail from england.
>the onset of the coldest decade of the century
>their ships were top of the line but they were too heavy and too slow to break ice
>their canned food rations were poorly made, had been sealed with bad quality lead that seeped into the food and a lot of it was uncooked and raw
>most of the crew had never been to the arctic or the antarctic before
A lot of people argue that it was the choice to sail up the channel and not along king williams island that doomed them but they would have gotten stuck in the ice either way, and during those 6-10 years following them getting stuck the ice didn’t melt at all even during summer because of the exceptionally cold temperatures.
Even several of the ships that came looking for them got stuck in the ice and needed rescuing themselves.
It was a shit show from day one and there are no scenarios where they make it out alive except if they turned around before the last whaleing stations.
>Giant ships full of supplies
>Could have sailed anywhere
>Any island paradise, literally any place on earth
>Sailed straight into the 9th circle of hell
Am I crazy or did these guys collectively make the biggest L possible? I'd have gone to hawaii or something...
England expects every man to do his duty.
>live on a frozen shitty hellhole
>set sail
>end up somewhere even worse
Its like pottery
Hahahahahahahaha How The Frick Is freezing to death Real Hahahaha homie Just Walk over to the fire Like homie put a coat on Haha
i could've saved him
The real Crozier was the son of a wealthy squire from Northern Ireland and a reasonably socially prominent figure in London. The whole identity plot was bunk. Also, the ppl naysaying the bear are morons without an imagination. It was a good show, better and more epic than The North Water. I just wish they adapted Summer Of Night from the same author, it's like hyper-Stephen King.
>The whole identity plot was bunk
What do you mean? The show didn't make him out to be a total nobody, just that he reached the limits of what he could without the benefit of a better title or unsavory means like Fitzjames. Also the show established that it wasn't his background that was holding him back it was his own attitude and alcohol issues, Franklin was totally right about him.
And considering King's track records for the screen I don't think comparing any work to his is a compliment.
I fricked up, it was Fitzjames who was an upstart and an impostor, though a talented one. Damn, time to rewatch.
He was an upstart and a bastard, not necessarily an impostor.
Doesn't he say I'm not even English?
By his standards and the generally accepted class distinctions of the time he feared he was an imposter because he was a bastard son of an English aristocrat and Portuguese woman, who made himself a successful man to hide it.
In all ways that mattered he was English (English education, good home, career in the British Navy and was a lauded man in society) but he himself is making clear he was always riven by doubt and that's why he tried so hard and got so far but in the end it didn't even matter.
I thought he was ethnically Dutch
No, really, how does one respond without sounding mad?
You can't, Franklin won.
t-thanks, you too
>Excuse me sir but only one of us has eating his own shoes, and it wasn't me.
>Please can we turn back? Please oh please I'm tired please let me frick your daughter please please please
>please please please
Shit on his bed
Farrell's acting in North Water is so horrendous that it automatically makes it a 5/10
I'm rewatching it right now. Episode 9 might be the peak.
>The real Crozier was the son of a wealthy squire from Northern Ireland
His father was an Anglo-Norman lawyer. Northern Ireland wasn't created until more than 100 years later.
>His father was an Anglo-Norman
annoyed me how they portray him as ethnically irish in the show
it's how he was treated by contemporaries
>The real Crozier was the son of a wealthy squire from Northern Ireland and a reasonably socially prominent figure in London. The whole identity plot was bunk.
When you’re a practicing Anglican from Ulster who leads Sunday services but they write you as a Catholic paddy from southern Ireland, lol
Reading the book now. It's pretty kino. Crozier getting turned down by that prostitute in Australia filled me with incel rage. I hate women so much it's unreal.
his fault for being Irish
Did they make him Irish in the book as well?
yeah well he was Northern Irish irl.
there was a bit in the book about him and his grandma when he was a kid, I can’t remember if she was catholic or something but it made it stand out that he wasn’t English like the other officers.
it’s been a while since I read al this stuff but I think Franklin was actually chosen over Crozier because he was English and his wife was a PR war machine, he was kind infamous for botching an Arctic expedition before and having a bunch of men starve.
Northern Irish isn't an ethnicity. Regardless of place of birth, Crozier was from an English family, not Irish
>Northern Irish isn't an ethnicity.
you're literally right but if you argue this in ireland, a person from either side of the border will set you straight
>you're literally right but if you argue this in ireland, a person from either side of the border will set you straight
I'm from Lisburn m8. This isn't controversial. It's well known there are two separate societies here. It is a weird choice to make Crozier Irish when the real man wasn't.
lisburns so bad its unreal got a fond place in my heart for it though
I think we arguing about the wrong thing, I'm on your side of the argument that it is distinct. However francis and his father were born and lived in banbridge, surely if its between english and irish he falls on the irish side, if you were to give that much of a shit about it
the naval and crown services certainly saw it that way anyway
Im not from the Bri’ish isles so I would agree with you in theory in the current year, but back then idk.
but in the book and show he is portrayed as “non actually English” multiple times and I think there is some truth to Franklin being chosen as the expedition captain over Franklin. John Franklin was old and mocked but he was closer to the Navy’s upper spheres, being from England proper. Crozier was lower on the social ladder.
*over Crozier jfc
>but back then idk
Even more so back then. This is set around the beginning of the hunger during à Court's governorship of Ireland. Crozier may not have been particularly high on the social ladder but would not have even been comparable to the native Irish. .
>However francis and his father were born and lived in banbridge, surely if its between english and irish he falls on the irish side
No. This is the equivalent of saying George Washington "falls on the native american side"
i have no idea what ur argument is anymore, are you saying we're both english?
My argument is that Crozier wasn't Irish irl.
no he wasn't, but if there was a scale between native irish bog bastard and central native englishman crozier would be at least 25% the way up it
he was more irish than his peers which made them throw spuds at him
in the book he wasn’t portrayed as Irish though, I’m guessing he wouldn’t have been allowed to climb the officers ranks if he was?
there was that passage about his grandmother who might have been catholic or something to that effect, no idea of that is true about the real Crozier. in any case it served to separate him from the rest of the officers who were of full English stock, but most of all Franklin and Fitzjames were written as wienery about their special relationship with the Navy’s upper circles while Crozier didn’t have that sort of relationship.
also I just remembered Crozier was salty about being rejected by Franklin’s niece years before while visiting Australia when Franklin was governor. I think the book implied he had too low a social standing and she married some other posh c**t.
town ive been to in northern ireland has a statue of based crozier
The book goes into much more detail about Crozier's backstory
Part of the reason he survives is because deep down he's pretty spiritual, more so than any of the other sailors, because of this formative experience he had as a child where he was snuck into a Catholic church and took the sacrament. That buried-deep spirituality is what enables him to make a kind of peace with the Tuunbaq at the book's end
he still gets to frick both Franklin’s niece and Lady Silence in the end so I’d say Crozier won.
Also, what was the deal with the long toothed skeleton in the ship’s hold? I don’t think I understood the meaning.
Friendship. Brotherhood.
Never let the trannies take that from us.
For me it's Blanky
Very underrated character.
Blanky and Jopson were the most reliable guys.
Blanky is based.
>What in the name of God took you so fricking long?
Kino soundtrack
No, really, what was his endgame?
To get to Hawaii and/or become a god. His motivations were murky towards the end, probably a result of the lead poisoning.
How did he know how to become a shaman? Did I miss that or they never explained?
At least in the show, he was just smart and observant enough to connect the dots from the start. Every time something supernatural or weird happens you can see his gears turning. He was the first one to connect Lady Silence to Tuupac's attacks or lack thereof and by the end he understood it was a supernatural being.
So no, the show never explicitly states or implies he figured out the shaman ritual but it's fair to assume the show expected the viewer to assume he figured it out.
There were allegedly several scenes left out of the final episode due to constrains so who knows if originally they intended to explain it.
Originally just wanted to start a new life away from england where he presumably was wanted for some kind of criminal activity then lost his shit when he saw the tuunbaq and decided he wanted to be some kind of shaman or deity, if you've ever been around tweakers or people with certain mental illnesses (schizophrenia and manic phases of bipolar 1 come to mind) they really do behave exactly like this guy with the pointless scheming and unhinged obsessions over insane shit
>(schizophrenia and manic phases of bipolar 1 come to mind) they really do behave exactly like this guy
Frick off you fricking dickhead.
I got hit with schizophrenia 12 years ago and I am in no way a degenerate.
I know 2 people with BPD (women) and they are meek people.
You are a moron. Equating external environmental factors to reality.
Like your last boyfriend had BPD and he rough fricked your ass so every person who has schizo or BPD is a homosexual like you and him are.
You are a moron in your make believe world you "assume" because you have clearly never met anyne with schizophrnia, you somehow equate 1 persons behaviour with an entirety of people afflicted with the same illness.
Like in your mind every Black person is a thief because 1 Black person is a thief
Every person with cancer is a weak frail person because you seen 1 person with cancer weak and frail.
Every man is a homosexual, because when you look in a mirror, you see a homosexual.
You are clearly moronic beyond comprehension. Low INT so much you cannot even fathom how moronic you are.
Get a hold of yourself, Mr. Hickey, or I will have you flogged as a boy again.
I'm not judging it you dumbass I'm just pointing out that the worst examples of those conditions or of heavy meth users can often end up behaving in a similar way
I have nothing but compassion for anyone afflicted with any kind of mental condition because I am myself and I know intimately how hard and miserable of a life it is but there's no denying that you get the occasional specimen who externalizes it in the worst way and behaves like Mr Hickey, and rather than denying it we should try to empathize and connect with these people before something awful and tragic happens and hopefully prevent it instead of pretending like they're some other alien species instead of people just like us but with different factors having affected their trajectory
Nice schizo-post.
t.
meds
I have never seen a more appropriate time to use this image
Terry Davis tier
Delightfully devilish, Seymour
Gay sex… which is an understandable goal tbhon..
I fricking hate homosexuals. Even worse, he's a demon worshipping cannibal homosexual.
you forgot ginger
Aren’t they all?
If there's an afterlife the real Mr Hickey must be pissed off a TV show had a gay psychopath kill him and take his name off screen
I finished it today and it quickly became my favourite series. No boring drama, no silly romances, no awkward sex scenes. Just men surviving against nature.
First two episodes were good and the rest was just boring,Shogun mogs
Okay, Ken-Sama.
>promoted to a leftenant
>got left in a tent
Who wrote this shit?
>spirit is called Tuunbaq
>it kept tuuning baq
>ship is called “terror”
>everybody on it is scared
Come on now
>Which of the Navy's ice ships shall we commandeer for our next dangerous Arctic expedition, Admiral?
>Yes, my good man, I must decide... I believe we'll take HMS Cold-and-Paranoid-Fear and her twin, the We're-All-Going-To-Die. A worthier pair of ships there never were.
>Aye, a fine choice, sir.
>Ships named after fear and the coldest darkest pit of Hell
>Everyone on them fricking dies
Who could have predicted this?
They were battleships originally and renaming ships is bad luck…
Is it? Seemed to be pretty common. I know my favorite ship the Shenandoah was renamed.
both had already been on antarctic expeditions THOUGH, see Mt. Terror in Anctartica named after one of the ships.
People kind of knew it was a cursed expedition. It’s why those who got sent got sent. A lot of people gave the admiralty excuses as to why they didn’t want to be officers on the musso
>captain is named Franklin
>he is frank
What the frick?
>jobson
>is so good at his job he gets a new job
>Dr. Stanley
>stabbed with a knife
>character is named Morfin
>he's in constant pain
can't make this shit up
>John_Morfin,_Able_Seaman
Do we know about him for sure or is it just guesswork? Like did they find some frozen and test it?
>Jacko
>became whacko
>called Doctor Goodsir
>is a good...sir...
really tolkien?
>Mr. Hickey
>Gets hickey on his neck from boyfriend because he is gay
>nothing but praise for this show
>finally watch it
>absolutely fantasti-
>episode 3 onward is about a terrible cgi magic bear
Genuinely what the frick were they thinking
>passage is called north-west
>it's in the north and leads west
KINO
Why did he do it?
Educated enough to know they were fricked, no matter how much effort he put in he was a dead man walking + just had his heart broke
dude just gave up and decide to go out through exposure / starvation instead of pointlessly torturing himself to death hauling boats
This was honestly the most kino scene I've seen on a TV show since fricking who even knows when. Such levels of tragic brotherhood are unreasonably hard hitting.
the whole show was really solid for a current era program
>Crozier is made out to be a brash idiot
>Disliked by his superior, big clashes
>Becomes defacto leader once his superior dies
>Clashes with his new second-in-command, foreshadowing trouble between them in the future
>Becomes a huge incompetent drunk
>Out of nowhere gets himself sober at great personal difficulty
>Makes strong leadership decisions
>The foreshadowed clashing between him and Fitzjames instead pivots into them becoming as close as brothers in the face of oblivion
Why the frick can we not have more shows like this? Why does every show need to be Walking Dead-tier everybody is a moronic butthole that can never overcome their vices and constantly act spiteful and deceptive towards each other?
The easiest way to get compelling drama is to have characters at each other's throats. Hence the abundance of big argument scenes, cheating plotlines, etc etc. in modern shows, which don't really reflect reality. Most people's lives aren't chock full of big dramatic arguments or fights. And since most hack writers will go for the easy path, this kind of combative and antagonistic drama usually ends up poorly written.
It's much harder to write positive/cooperative drama well, which tends to require more subtle and thought out writing if it's going to avoid being too saccharine and risk insincerity.
Good show if it wasn't so woke
how was it woke?
Full of gay propaganda
>only gay guys on a british navy ship (lol)
>one is a gay and the other one is a crazy piece of shit
How is that propaganda?
>leftenant GORE
>gets gored
>July 1845
>Expedition reaches Greenland. Five sick men are sent home, along with a batch of letters.
Pretty lucky, tbh
>That is not just ice ahead, it's graphite
DOUBLE KINO
>Real life Mr Hickey was only 20 something years old and left behind a pregnant wife
Damn
WESTWARD FROM THE DAVIS STRAIGHT
'TIS THERE IT WAS SAID TO LIE
THE SEA ROUTE TO THE ORIENT, FOR WHICH SO MANY DIED
SEEKING GOLD AND GLORY
LEAVING WEATHERED, BROKEN BONES
AND A LONG FORGOTTEN, LONELY CAIRN OF STONES
I liked it
israeli shit.
Gender bended The Terror remake when?
>Mrs. Goodmam
Right after the third season bombs even harder than s2
how is there a season 3
The Canadian arctic seems like actual hell.
seems pretty comfy
From the outside it looks hot but the reality is that it's a cold hell there. God, the Terror was such a kino series. Shame we get these once in a blue moon nowadays.
My nomination for the next season of The Terror: https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hunt-for-the-death-valley-germans/