>The true nature of the Force has always been strongly debated, but the franchise is moving further away from George Lucas' original vision
Now that it's officially over, will the manbabies more finally on?
>The true nature of the Force has always been strongly debated, but the franchise is moving further away from George Lucas' original vision
Luke shooting green lightning in the EU was actually when I gave up on the idea anyone took George's interpretation seriously.
George doesn't really consider most of the EU canon anyway
I've never been an EUgay but Lucas' idea of the force has been bunk since the prequels. I don't just mean because of midichlorians, I mean with shit like "force push" being moves you unlock like a video game, and not being part of your personal connection to the force and the universe.
I mean in KOTOR you can be full jedi but unlock choking and electrocuting people.
Yeah, they cost more
I always treated it as gameplay mechanic, so you get cool looking and strong abilities even as goodgay as opposed to million buffs
Those million buffs are objectively better though.
Honestly, force lighting being a dark power is weird but choking is pretty hard to justify since it's pointlessly cruel.
>force lighting being a dark power is weird
and not very deadly.
>it's pointlessly cruel
kinda the point innit?
>Honestly, force lighting being a dark power is weird but choking is pretty hard to justify since it's pointlessly cruel.
Most dark side techniques are perversions of old Jedi techniques. Force choke is just telekinesis applied to someone's neck.
>I mean with shit like "force push" being moves you unlock like a video game
THANK YOU. I've always hated the stupid "force this" and "force that" thing. It is, exactly as you say, just like a video game, and not a good video game at that. It just reinforces the idea that Star Wars is for children.
>It just reinforces the idea that Star Wars is for children.
Star Wars is for children. The fact that those children grew up(physically at least) doesn't change that.
Just because it's for kids doesn't mean it needs to be stupid
So your objection to Luke being able to jump high in ESB is that...it's possible to put the word force before jump?
>THANK YOU. I've always hated the stupid "force this" and "force that" thing. It is, exactly as you say, just like a video game, and not a good video game at that. It just reinforces the idea that Star Wars is for children.
Star wars is for children, it used to be for the moronic children, now it's for the moronic gay transexual children. Are you a homosexual troony child?
yeah that shit was always moronic. completely kills the mysticism of it.
>completely kills the mysticism of it.
I can't understand why some people can't wrap their minds around this. David Lynch intended for the murder of Laura Palmer to never be solved so that the show could have that mystery looming forever. Once the studios made him reveal it, the show went from kino to slop. Never reveal a mystery so clearly. It's magic-killer. Your explanation will never beat the crazy theories the fans have imagined.
>completely kills the mysticism of it.
How?
I think you have it backwards. It was the video games that messed up the force by turning abilities into unlockables.
In reality, Lucas felt there were some basic force powers that every trained Jedi could do (like basic telekinesis or speeding up your body), but more advanced users of the force developed their own special abilities based on their unique connection to the force.
Mace Windu had shatterpoint. Where he saw weaknesses in objects.
Yoda could grab pure energy with his bare hands due to monstrous telekinesis.
Plo Koon could shoot yellow lightning.
Another Jedi master could grow help grow plants and accelerate plant growth
Another could heal moderate wounds
Etc.
These were supposed to be unique to each Jedi Master.
Then fans wanted to make their own special snowflake Jedi. And made up shit like "Grey Jedi" (force users who weren't evil but could force choke and shoot Sith lightning). And having all force abilities be unlockables in video games so their special snowflake Jedi could have every ability. These got even worse with the Sequel films by giving Rey multiple abilities.
>Mace Windu had shatterpoint. Where he saw weaknesses in objects.
>Yoda could grab pure energy with his bare hands due to monstrous telekinesis.
>Plo Koon could shoot yellow lightning.
>Another Jedi master could grow help grow plants and accelerate plant growth
>Another could heal moderate wounds
None of this is canon, and none of it came from Lucas. All of this is EU slop from shitty books and whatnot. None of it was in the movies. None of it was mentioned by Lucas anywhere, ever. Why would you bring up Lucas and then post this shit? It's the same fanfiction as videogames. "Yellow lightning," lmao.
Windu has Shatterpoint in TCW. It's canon.
It's in the Clone Wars TV show.
It's also in the Prequel novels which George Lucas personal supervised and approved.
>Grey Jedi
Kyle Katarn and Luke both technically fall into this category since both had brushes with the dark side and came back.
If the EU has told us anything it's that force abilities follow the moral guideline (Jedi or Sith) you choose to abide by. E.g if you're an aggressive, evil, and emotional dickhead trained by the current Sith lord you'll develop "dark side" abilities more readily. If you're a meditating paragon of virtue trained by a bunch of Jedi hippies you get force photosynthesis and the ability to invigorate more readily.
Telekinesis, speed etc are "core" force abilities that aren't really associated with either side. It's the difference between forbidden magicks and recommended curriculum in other terms.
Frick are you on about? Luke and vader frequently used telekenisis in the OT. What makes you think Quigon and Obiwan using it aren't doing it via a similar connection?
Plus, the OT was held back by the limited technology of its time. Of course none of them are going to do anything particularly crazy. Just lifting heavy shit.
That was in an alternate multiverse a long long time ago
How are Disney execs this out of touch? Do they not go online? Please someone explain it to me? Do they not want money?
It's social conditioning, not an attempt to earn revenue for providing an entertaining product.
Yeah well it ain’t working. They shoulda picked something better than Star Wars lol.
>They shoulda picked something better than Star Wars lol.
On paper, it seems like a bulletproof idea. You can sell vegetables to children as long as they have a picture of a Star Wars character on the sticker.
Kids don’t care about Star Wars, that shit is lame to them, they’d have better results propagandizing skibidi toilet
>Yeah well it ain’t working
On us here no, but normies are getting less human every year
>It's social conditioning
to what? me not caring about a franchise?
That's what's so funny about it. They thought they could use SW as a vector and instead their message was so universally rejected that it tanked one of the largest IPs in history as collateral damage.
>They thought they could use SW as a vector and instead their message was so universally rejected that it tanked one of the largest IPs in history
It's like they think that people will be forced to watch their garbage because they have no other choice or some shit...
>B-but it's STAR WARS! They HAVE to watch it!!!!
Nope.
Yes.
you WILL have no aspirational stories or heros and thats a good thing!
This. Companies like Disney are just extensions of the Pentagon at this point.
>How are Disney execs this out of touch?
still letting this idiot run the show
her kill switch is legendary they can't do shit to her.
They have to make it look like an accident. Boating, jet ski, hang gliding?
>They have to make it look like an accident. Boating, jet ski, hang gliding?
You ever see her do any of those things? No you haven't. Because she knows what time it is.
>still thinks any of this is about money
Life has gotta be rough as a double digiter
trust me
still is about money
The root cause of the issue is that we have been in a complete paradigm shift culturally, and that extends to business, media and entertainment.
Gone are the days of companies having to "figure out what the market wants" or find their "target audience" and then make artistic content for them, hope people want to pay for it, and make a profit etc.
I would argue we haven't been in that world for decades - we've been in another, newer phase where there has been no art or experimentation and its just guaranteed sales because of proven properties or whatever.
But NOW, this current phase is where companies are able to DICTATE what we consume, and create an environment where enough people are HAPPY to pay for it. They are of course transitioning to this via the established properties, which is why you're seeing all of these IP's and franchises be vessels or skinsuits for completely different, "new" and "progressive" storylines and characters that do not fit at all. And the more they do this the more people see this as normal and reflective of the real world. It's a self fulfilling prophecy and feedback loop.
They could make a product and have people like it or not (risk) or they can make a product and wrap it in DEI, ESG bullshit and they would have guaranteed viewers/buyers. There's that image that circulates on Cinemaphile that I don't have saved of someone saying "I have to buy and support all these shitty games because of the people who oppose them".
It's why Disney and other companies are all "woke", because those are the type of people to not be critical thinkers and care about something on its merits, they just see BLACK PERSON and PRIDE FLAG and buy.
You can say the inverse is true, where people will see BLACK PERSON and not watch, but that's WHY these companies are appealing to the former people and not the latter, as a visual medium, you can just have these obvious visual signals on screen and you know what type of product it is and who its for.
>where companies are able to DICTATE what we consume
This 100%
>where companies are able to DICTATE what we consume
This 0%
I have this thing called "willpower" where if i don't want to watch something I don't watch it
You took too many words to say it, but it's ok. I ramble too. The problem is, we've let companies reverse the free market theory of providing a product where there's high demand. Now, thanks essentially to the Apple business model, they tell the market what is can have and try to shame them into buying it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But it's what all companies are shifting towards.
>no art or experimentation
wtf are you on about. the market detests 'art and experimentation' and punish companies who try it. look at taika cohen's thor movies. They are slightly eccentric and the masses revolt against them. no one ever wanted art and experimentation. They want slop.
it seems that people want to go back to the 80s with rambo, conan, terminator, robocop sort of films; but if you remember in the 80s, that was the capeshit of its time, smart people sneered at them just like they sneer at disney today. Disney knows that you shouldn't bother reading any criticism on the internet. It is painted with nostalgia and contrarianism, and is not actually written by their target audience.
Yep Disney stopped caring what internet manbabies said after the new SW trilogy, every single movie is a response to internet criticism
>this current phase is where companies are able to DICTATE what we consume
No. They can't.
They may THINK they can, but they can't. The people have choices, and the people have demonstrated that they won't tolerate shit-tier Marxist ideology being disguised as "entertainment".
This. I think a lot of the polarization in the world today can be blamed on the failure of this idea. It's happened in news media, too.
Everyone used to herd along pretty well. But the big players decided they wanted to STEER rather than FOLLOW. They of course had some success, but the further afield they went from people's natural views, the more people simply had enough and broke off from the herd entirely (or rather, stayed put while the herd moved away).
So now instead of one general loose herd, we have a very tight herd of only the most programmable people, and another herd that's free but not bonded in any way besides being opposed to the first herd. Since conformity itself is one of the values of the ones trying to steer the herd, the division creates a vicious cycle where the two groups become more and more antagonistic to one another.
And now we have people earnestly defending She-Hulk because they're so invested in Marvel and girl-power that they have no choice, and people being reflexively skeptical of the Fallout show because it has one too many black people in it.
>people being reflexively skeptical of the Fallout show because it has one too many black people in it
that's like 5% of the criticism Fallout gets tho, the lore-breaking arguments are actually very valid
it being a dog shit show is the most persuasive aspect on why to not think about it at all anymore
>But NOW, this current phase is where companies are able to DICTATE what we consume
Except Hollywood and the entertainment industry is unironically, actually, factually dying. Everything is losing money. Look at the box offices of movies from the 2010s, and compare them to now. The pandemic can't be blamed anymore. We're almost half-way through the 2020s, and you're lucky if two movies break a billion dollars a year.
I truly don't know if this is true, i mean of course the masses of brainless consumers have always been a thing, but on the other hand we are seeing entire mediums and platform go out of business because people are tired of spending more money on garbage.
Like we saw in real time the decadence of marvel goyslop and videogame companies having to layoff hundreds/thousands of people. And streaming companies of media giants struggling.
The market in the end will always correct a tendency but i think it may take a long time.
But they aren't able to dictate, people avoid that shit. It doesn't work.
They aren't, try reading the article. The showrunner is taking influence from the Clone Wars show.
>Lucas was directly involved in Star Wars: The Clone Wars when it introduced the Mortis gods, three powerful and ancient Force users. The Mortis gods, and particularly the Father, represented a very different view of the Force, one where light and dark had to live in harmony, with neither side overtaking the other.
I'm just looking forward to Disney continuing to shit on this franchise so that manchildren might finally move on.
Literally anyone still watching starshit or the m-she-u is a npc
Didn't Lucas endorse Disney shitting on his franchise recently anyways?
He defended Disney very recently yeah. He also attends their red carpet premieres and visits their productions sometimes.
What a sad old fart
Isn't he a big shareholder now?
Yes. Lucas by definition is a cuck. He’s watching Disney frick his creation over and over again and tolerates it because of how much money he gets out of it via stocks.
Star Wars is long dead and looking up to George Lucas as a shining example is now a dead meme
Nah he backed Bob Iger as CEO as opposed to Perlmutter. There's some behind-the-scenes drama going on at Disney at the moment and since George is a big stockholder he backed Iger. Got nothing to do with Star Wars. If you got that information from one of those youtube grifters you've probably been grifted
Yes.
He also thinks you need to be a CEO to create movie magic.
Don't you mean more finally on?
You're joking right? There's going to be 10 billion AI-Fixed variants of every piece of media ever produced relating to Star Wars.
Like it or not, Star Wars is a cultural pivot-point. It's not "going away". Reign of Fire expressed it best with that little bit of theater the adults put on for the kids in the bunkercastle.
>You can be a force user as long as you really want it
Fricking dumb, but who cares? Star Wars has been dead since Last Jedi.
People born with innate gifts others do not have goes against leftist ideology. Force-users are basically supermen that live above the peasantry, with Jedi being condescending and Sith domineering, but both knowing they are better than commoners. Disney has to communize the Force.
The Force does not choose people at random and the reason is pretty obvious. The Force has a will of its own to balance or upset things. Anakin becomes Vader , becomes Anakin again. The force does whatever the frick it wants but its actualy deterministic. People are not "gifted" with the Force, they are actualy tools of the Force that it uses to further its own agenda. Kreia was right, but her solution was ultimately self-defeating.
>Kreia was right
My Black!
That would turn star wars into a literal space horror where everyone is held hostage to this invisible entity for eternity.
The force is just God giving people super powers.
Like X-Men?
Lucas mentioned it working like that.
>That would turn star wars into a literal space horror where everyone is held hostage to this invisible entity for eternity.
You got it, that's why Kreia was mad
bro just set up a ysalamiri breeding program on every planet
>Resentful at the universe
Kreia is a literal fricking leftist, but so is Christ Avellone, both of you get out of here and go dilate.
Frick you and frick Kreia. That b***h is pure cringe fedora tipping.
I wish they would just stop making Star Wars. It's never going to be a good franchise again. I want to move on but I keep seeing it everywhere
As long as there are idiots thinking “maybe this time it’ll be good,” they’ll never stop.
disney's running on the sunk cost falacy
I haven't even seen last "main" movie nor the tv series past first season of mandalorian. The constant spam on Cinemaphile is my only exposure to the franchise now.
you're not missing out
Didn't George defend Kathleen and Iger?
It's the devil he knows
Absolutely baffling. Indy flopping was supposed to be the last straw. Everyone was saying she would be out if it failed. How is she still in charge?? Even Iger seems to be sick of her
>It's the devil he knows
Yeah, deviled eggs and devil's food cake. Because he's fat.
>The fifth Indiana Jones movie is still in theaters, but despite being a part of a billion-dollar franchise and following one of the most iconic movie characters ever, it still isn't performing well at the box office. So far, the movie has made less than $300 million worldwide (via Box Office Mojo), which is a disaster for Disney, as Indiana Jones 5 needs to make $750 million to break even.
Just insane she sill has a job
>Didn't George defend Kathleen and Iger?
No. George's Black wife defended Kathleen and Iger and simply used his name. George is in terrible health atm, and doesn't have much longer to live.
>Getting on the wrong side of a city run by several hundred venom spewing demon vipers from hell rather than chilling with your $4billion
G.L. may not be able to write great dialogue but he isn't stupid.
But George never fully elaborated on his idea of the force.
>OT suggests it's like karma and wu wei: Jedi go with the flow and use it subtlely, Sith abuse it for short-term gain
>Prequels reveal a biological component in midichlorians that seem to occur semi-randomly, also Jedi are forceful too but not as forceful (leads into obvious conclusion that everyone but George made, that the Jedi had fallen to the Dark Side by the end of the Republic)
>never gets into his Whillsslop that suggest the Force is directed by lifeforms
Lucas always asserted that the Force was a living biological sentient organism and everything alive is connected to the force (Yoda in the OT). Also everyone can channel it to some degree by virtue of being alive.
The force is not "cosmic energy" that is completely Wu, or connected to souls or any of that stuff. The Force is like the Tao as described by Laozi, with balance being a kind of natural equilibrium in all living things. Its not elaborated because we only get to see Jedi and Sith perspectives on it, who by that point have become religious/mystical after the schism. It seems to me that George was alluding to with the Whills that he wanted Star Wars to take a more "hard" sci fi direction with the Force for his idea of sequels.
reveal a biological component in midichlorians that seem to occur semi-randomly, also Jedi are forceful too but not as forceful (leads into obvious conclusion that everyone but George made, that the Jedi had fallen to the Dark Side by the end of the Republic)
they didnt "fall to the darkside" but were subtly corrupted by falling into it's traps of fear, complaency, laziness, ego, etc. the whole point was that you dont have to be a horned devil man to fall susceptible to those "demons"/negative thoughts and that they can be a lot more pervasive and subtle and take root without people even consciously deciding to. that was george lucas's whole point about the fall of the jedi order. that the dark side is INSIDIOUS, hence palatpine's fricking sith title.
>jedi order. that the dark side is INSIDIOUS, hence palatpine's fricking sith title.
lucas is similar to hideo kojima in that they make gigakino that's also borderline moronic
Jedi are just force sensitive people that choose to be calm, and not give into their base instincts like regular people (steal, murder, rape, lie) because they are aware their connection to the force makes them dangerous.
Dark Jedi are fallen jedi who have given into their tempations, who have taken the name of "sith" but aren't actual sith.
The Sith are an acient race of Black personhomosexuals that are inherently evil blood magic style wizards who mirror the jedi.
They did "fall to the darkside" it's just that the force is a spectrum and the "darkside" is just verbalizing the idea that they have given into evil.
Why would anyone read Screenrant?
Perfect solution to Rey being op. SW is fixed!
Few, finally. Now we can get around to exploring why every protagonist needs to be a mousey brunette and talk about the gender issues of the star wars socio-political landscape
obligatory
whos the troony in the bottom right?
Talking woman from Indiana Jones 5
The writer and co-star of the latest Indiana Jones movie. She is also in charge of adapting Tomb Raider into a live-action tv show for Amazon Prime Video.
>She is also in charge of adapting Tomb Raider into a live-action tv show for Amazon Prime Video.
Come on, man.
It's true.
Face cancer troony from Indy Shit 5
but George Lucas' self inserting is okay?
>t.troony
he was 3cp0
Yes, he created it.
was he indiana jones, willow, and howard the duck too?
>Luke Skywalker
>Luke S
>Lucas
>George Lucas
Originally his name was Deak Starkiller
>One self insert versus four
No, he didn't create Howard.
Yea because he made an iconic character who little boys looked up to for decades
Luke is someone who Lucas aspired to, snarky b***hes in my wars are who Kennedy thinks she is but doesn’t understand that no one likes them.
>Yea because he made an iconic character who little boys looked up to for decades
The hell you talking about? More boys wanted to be Han, Boba and Vader over the lame-ass geek that's Luke Skywalker.
George was R2, the storyteller.
Of course, he created the whole thing.
>George Lucas' self inserting is okay?
Of course it is, it's his creation. George was a pretty gutsy little dude when he was growing up, he put together hot-rod cars and wanted to be a race car driver before realizing that film was a better option.
Kathleen Kennedy, like most women, didn't create or accomplish jack shit and simply leeched off of the success of men.
Yes, and so is Bunnyfu from Rogue One but that’s only because they are sexy. Everyone else can commit unalive for all I care.
typical woman
So?
Let's not pretend that it's good
The women that run star wars now, and getting revenge on all their boyfriends ignoring them for the toys while growing up.
They already did that with the first Nu Wars movie
>we will never get Whills kino
Wtf happened to that C-3PO and R2 movie? I thought by now we would have seen them telling the story to the Whills like George's original idea
>Wtf happened to that C-3PO and R2 movie?
JJ Abrams replaced R2 with Beach Ball 8 and ruined C3P0 in The Rise of Skywalker.
>wweowwoeow weawooweee
>yes I agree, Israel is indeed our greatest ally
ill pass
Having to do shit like that is exactly why Chewie was chosen as the victim to show the vong were srsbsns
>Whills
I remember laughing at it at first, now i wish it was so
>mfw the sith does a heckin' roicism
>will the manbabies more finally on?
There will always be Stah Warz manbaby holdouts who'd rather die than give up on the gayest franchise ever.
OMG THE FORCE IS WOKE
>guys, people hate what we've done with the franchise, how do we save this?
>clearly we haven't gone far enough
genius
Doesn't matter if Acolyte or anything else ends up being good. Everything leads to
>somehow the Empire returned
>somehow the New Republic is moronic and evil
>somehow Han and Leia are terrible parents
>somehow Kylo Ren turns to the dark side
>somehow Luke is a loser failure
Also it's crazy how everything has to tie into either High Republic or Palpatine clones now, two things no one likes. There is just no point in watching anymore.
The force already got ruined when Feloni went full AtLA wannabe with the force gods
lmao that genuinely looks like an snl parody
Every preview i saw looks like a parody, and I couldn't care less if it fails
this looks like the worst of berman low budget 90s star trek shit.
>it actually looks worse
Bring back both Ricks.
By the way, the green woman is Lego Headland's wife IRL. She plays one of the main characters.
Lel
>more like the ACK-olyte
Is she supposed to be from Luminaria's race? Jesus that looks terrible.
Doesn't even look like Star Wars.
Looks like some cheap 80s scifi tv show.
Is that Asylum or CW?
Looks like a porn parody.
You will hate watch it and you will also watch our youtube shill video criticizing it and calling it woke. Either way, you're watching what we're releasing.
>I need someone to show me my place in all this
It just looks so right.
It's gonna in a libtard sharing circle of feelings "Be Better! Do Better!"
>mfw someone tells me that clone wars/bad batch/rebels anything is good
>tfw they're making another animated show starring Omeeguh the force sensitive female clone of Jango Fett
The force is female.
Next step... The force is trans!
Looks like the Force need to lay off the Krispy Kreme
Who's to the left of Kennedy with the huge udders?
This is why men have an instinctual reaction to smug c**tery. It's not some kind of irrational knuckle-dragging 'muh misogyny'. It's the highly evolved sense that a dumb woman is trying to take charge and push some moronic emotionally-driven agenda, and the b***h needs the back of a man's hand to avert obvious disaster.
why would the Force be female? it has no sex, no gender. it's just a thing. if the force is female, that means the dark side of the force is female too which make it toxic femininity. there is no logic to this. fricking stupid.
It already moved away from George Lucas' idea of the Force when they had Rey beat Kylo in TFA.
Though that wasn't as bad as turning Anakin's lightsaber into the Excalibur.
>main antagonist gets beat in first movie of trilogy
What a joke. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want their villains to be ass clowns but credible threats at the same time. Filoni has done the same thing with Imperials. It's basic fricking writing 101
This literally happens at the end of A New Hope
When Vader kills Obi Wan? Or when Vader doesn't die in the Death Star?
I agree completely.
Since female lead females were sort of new at the time, they had them be boring 90s action heroes that were good at everything they did for no reason.
George Lucas isn't canon anyway.
>midichlorians
Need I say more?
Anyone still watching this is only doing it to see how bad things can get.
Sad thing is disney is only gently beating the dead horse body.
Paramount has turned star trek into a bloody pulp and BBC is beating into bedrock having bored through the dead horse formerly known as doctor who.
Its not an idea. Those learned in the Way know exactly what it is and what it isnt.
I think that the majority of the manbabies are the only people still watching, everyone else already fricked off.
Good lucas is a moron who thinks the force can only be used for evil or good and never in between.
>caring about fanfiction
lol
lmao even
Not even going to pirate this shit.
>will the manbabies finally move on?
The only ones left are fake fans that came in late anyway.
True. Star Wars fandom is a wasteland of fail and AIDS.
Force Awakens was a good movie and I’m tired of everyone saying it isn’t, the last Jedi and rise of Skywalker are turds though
no they are all turds including TFA, Abrams is a hack whose peak was producing Felicity
TFA wrote the series into an unrecoverable corner. it was almost impossible for the sequels to do anything interesting from that starting point. TLJ had some of the right ideas, but failed because rian johnson isn't actually competent enough to pull off what he was trying to do and doesn't understand star wars well enough to know what needed to be done in detail.
The Force Awakens, the seventh installment in the Star Wars saga, bears many similarities to the original A New Hope. Both films introduce a new generation of heroes, with Finn, Rey, and Poe Dameron taking the place of Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han Solo. The plot of The Force Awakens is also reminiscent of A New Hope, with a young protagonist discovering their connection to the Force, a powerful villain seeking to destroy the galaxy, and a group of rebels fighting against the Empire.
Shared elements
Some of the shared elements between The Force Awakens and A New Hope include:
A young hero discovering their connection to the Force: Rey, like Luke, is a young and powerful Force-sensitive individual who becomes the central character of the story.
A powerful villain seeking to destroy the galaxy: Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader, is a powerful and intimidating villain who seeks to destroy the Resistance and rule the galaxy.
A group of rebels fighting against the Empire: The Resistance, like the Rebel Alliance, is a group of heroes fighting against the evil Empire and its powerful leader, Kylo Ren.
A iconic opening scene: The opening scene of The Force Awakens, where we see a group of stormtroopers on Jakku, is reminiscent of the iconic opening scene of A New Hope, where we see a group of stormtroopers on Tatooine.
If you hate TFA does that mean you hate ANH?
No, it means you hate cheap unoriginal ideas
you can't make ANH again. you especially can't make ANH again by deciding to reboot star wars. star wars came about as a pastiche of flash gordon and kurosawa movies. if you want to tell a new story in star wars, the correct thing to do is to go back to those influences and use parts of them that didn't end up in the original.
The OT and the PT are both very different from each other. If you want to tell a new story in Star Wars, the correct thing to do is something unlike what came before.
Which is exactly what Lucas wanted to do with his Sequel Trilogy.
The story's old hat. Plenty of fiction sense have done their own take on it with varying results. Remaking the OT would just invite unfavorable comparisons to the original versions, and get accused by new audiences of being a cheap ripoff of other things. It's like how that John Carter movie got bashed on for being a rip off when it was the progenitor to the stories it was accused of ripping off. To reboot the OT would mean to turn the original story on its head. Either expand on what's already there, or take the story in another direction.
>To reboot the OT would mean to turn the original story on its head. Either expand on what's already there, or take the story in another direction.
I'll take Grant Gustin as Luke, please.
In 8 years I predict they do an animated/CGI-only ANH remake that replaces Anthony Daniels with a woman, makes Leia get in the gun turret of the Falcon, and makes half the admirals in the Death Star conference room female.
Honestly it was fine. You watch it, you understand it's a soft reboot, and you enjoy the action scenes. You know coming out of it that JJ was tasked with getting the new trilogy off the ground without throwing out old fans like yourself while bringing in a new generation to understand and appreciate what the original trilogy did in under 2 hours and you forgive it for that.
Then TLJ tries to knife it in the back.
You are a turd eater Force Awakens is an abomination
Rogue one was the only good movie out of the new stuff. TFA was just "ok".
have a nice day
Honestly have a nice day
really just need a close up of someone whispering 'midichlorians' here
its fiction people and never fully fleshed out, if you're arguing over it you're likely a person has not had the moment of satori where you realize your parents were just two idiots winging it and making it up as they went along
TFA is what it is, it’s the least offensive of the three
as far as I am concerned there are only 7 star wars movies:
4 5 6
1 2 (holds back bile) 3
rogue one a movie that did not need to be made but was better than 3 7 8 I never watched 9 or solo.
I saw star wars when it first came out when I was 11.
>but was better than 3
You're on drugs if you think Episode III sucks. That's a turbo nerd take right there.
3 isn't a good movie but it has the most redeeming camp value of all the prequels, plus its graphics still hold up. If I ever do a Star Wars marathon with friends, I'll make sure to drink my ass off through 1 and 2 so by the time Palpatine is screaming about unlimited power I'll be fully into it
I recently watched it, as I hadn't watched it in couple of years.
portmans and christensens acting caused me major cringe on more than one occasion. I have watched it many times but for some reason really paid attention and WOW their acting was shit. the way anakin turns to the dark side just came across as man anakin is stupid. palpatine is telegraphing everything when he tells him about darth plaugueis.
it really is not very good.
>palpatine is telegraphing everything when he tells him about darth plaugueis.
Anakin's focused on saving both Padme and his unborn child. He already lost his mom, he'll take all the help he can get.
anakin was a tard he took palpatines wiener faster than your mom does.
Maybe you're just a brainlet.
except that I am not.
Says you.
exactly. and I am right.
Let's be honest....
/tv is full of consumers that confuse their vice of choice with knowledge of anything.
I feel no need to care at all about imaginary stories or their directions by others, since it is merely a product I neither make money from, nor am directly engaged in.
Those with no lives and no brains, must desperately engage in someone else's fantasies. These just so happen to be on sale for very low prices.
I remember when TFA came out IRL there was Star Wars shit everywhere and tons of people were talking about Star Wars, then ever since TLJ I haven’t heard anyone talk about it IRL except for how they don’t like it, and I haven’t seen any Star Wars shit except for since mandalorian stuff and that’s almost always stuff owned by literal fat soys, middle aged man children, or bumper stickers on poor people cars (probably the same people as the previous too + Reddit leftists). TFA wasn’t even good, but the general shit eating audience ate it up, it really is amazing how Disney was able to isolate large swathes of even the shit eating audience and leads me to believe that the people talking about ESG are right.
TLJ really did kill the golden goose. TFA was a big deal, people enjoyed it, people talked about it. TLJ had the same big opening day excitement, people dressing up, people lining up. ROS came around and it was like any other movie release. People saw it, but the passion had totally evaporated.
I would tolerate a totally gay twink Jedi with a perm if Dafne Keens character was allowed to be sexy
Star wars hasn't been good since the original trilogy.
Star Wars has never been good
Thank God, We no longer need to pretend they are in anyway part of the originals.
Georgie boy didn't have an original vision, he just slapped together christian mysticism with eastern aesthetics and made shit up as he went along. The force is just a facsimile of the Holy Spirit from the trinity for all intents and purposes.
>The force is just a facsimile of the Holy Spirit from the trinity for all intents and purposes.
It is, lol. George Lucas even calls himself a buddhist/methodist.
>It is, lol. George Lucas even calls himself a buddhist/methodist.
Explain how that combination of religions works unless you excise the Father and the Son from the trinity. I'm waiting.
>I'm waiting.
Ok, give me a minute I will explain everything.
I'm waiting.
Come up with an original concept that "hasnt been done before" for all of us here now, you being such a genius.
>you being such a genius.
Ok, let me work on it, I will get back to you.
an obese man who vows to get in shape so he can relive his glory days of sucking his own dick for the amusement of his ftm trans daughter and a black woman films him achieving this feat in a public park but he shits himself in the process and the video goes viral and inspires the whole town to follow his example and his daughter is so overwhelmed with joy he cuts off his neodick and chokes herself to death with it
I'm trans btw if that matters
didn't they already do this by making the force something literally anyone could do instead of an inherent quality? How could they possibly move further away from the original intent?
I was done with it the moment Lucas left. I'm sorry the majority of Star Wars fans were not as smart as me.
>Damn, a lot of people like the Star Wars franchise
>Lets buy it and change it so that it is not longer the Star Wars franchise that people liked
???????????????????
It's the same old shit that n00b marketing morons have been coming up with since the beginning of time.
They think they're a genius when they realise that whatever product your company is selling is only reaching 50% of the market. Then you'll get shit like, "We should paint all our chainsaws pink so they appeal to women". Real fricking brainiac shit.
It's like saying some men prefer bit breasts, and some men prefer small breasts. Some prefer short women and some prefer tall women, some fair skin, and some tanned.
So what we need to do is sell women on the idea that they should get one breast implant, a case of vitiligo, and be tall and short at the same time if they want to appeal to ALL men.
A lot of shit just doesn't work that way - obviously.
The Feminists pushing the agenda obviously don't care about the bottom line at all, but the above is how they push it in marketing terms to the suits and bean counters who should know better - because they would have seen this exact shit a million times before.
But c**ts would have gone to Disney and said they pay $4 billion for Star Wars, then double the market by including women, and BAM! An easy increase in value to $8 billion that George was just too stupid to think of.
Yes, it really is that simplistic, shortsighted, and downright moronic. I have personally seen this bullshit a million times before.
Thank god.
Now if only I had any hope in Disney shit being good.
Star Wars died the moment the Shitsney Corporation got a hold of it.
Doesn't matter what they do to it at this point.
They film a shit for 2 hours and put a Star Wars sticker on it because that's all it is; a shit with a Star Wars sticker on it.
Can't wait 'til they do ultra-violent SW where lightsaber s don't cauterize wounds because they just don't any more.
That's not a surprise. The EU struggled with this for 30 years until Del Rey finally decided to ruin everything with Legacy of the Force. And somehow it was more childish and silly than the 3 Spirits of Mortis from the Clone Wars cartoons.
>Cast Dafne Keen
>Instead of utilizing her best assets and dressing her like aayla secura or season 1 clone wars Ahsoka they dress her up as an ugly alien all covered up
Why?
Because b***h made men, women and israelites control everything
>Now that it's officially over, will the manbabies more finally on?
I haven't cared about anything Star Wars related post the Force Awakens.
StarWarsBros, we are so fricking back now aren't we?
Star Wars was always gay. Return of the Jedi makes no sense.
Good. Midichlorians was fricking moronic and Lucas already did so much damage
>Midichlorians was fricking moronic
Explain why.
I don't have to justify anything to you, George.
I accept your concession then.
Woes on me for I've shat on the thread and wasted everyone's time.
Because that's the opinion I see others have.
>Literal DBZ power level except there's no explanation on whether the number is a power cap or if it can increase, and if so why or how?
I don't really give a shit about the midochlorians. Is it unnecessary lore inserted into a story that itself makes no goddamn sense like Dune? Yes. But conceptually it's whatever. The issue is, like DUNE, THAT STUPID ASS BOOK BY FRANK HERBERT, THE ONE ABOUT ARABS AND SHIT, all of the science-fiction concepts are just unexplained nonsense that each respective writer thought was neat, but felt no inclination to elaborate on and just shoved it in whether it helped the overarching themes and story being told. In other words: it's a fricking waste of time.
Just like the Lifestream from FFVII. Shoutout to all my >>>Cinemaphile crossposters, your "game" is frickin' shit.
>tl;dr
Anakin doing extraordinary shit, like podracing, was enough to pique Qui-Gon's interest. Affirmation via some arbitrary numeral served zero purpose. That's why it's gay.
>there's no explanation on whether the number is a power cap or if it can increase
It's the former. Anakin had a higher M-count than Yoda at just nine years old. It doesn't mean he's stronger than Yoda then, but that he has the POTENTIAL to be stronger with the right training.
Midichlorians are not the Force. They are how the Force interacts with the physical world. Every living thing has them, but most have them in small amounts. Having large amounts of them in your system is what allows one to use the Force.
And that's consistent with Disney SW as well if one carefully follows the blood lines elements and all that genetic engineering.
>And that's consistent with Disney SW
No, because Sabine.
I think that you're confused and never seen SW movies or spent all the time on your phone.
can i put them in my cereal
>Lucas already did so much damage
to his own property? so what?
Boy they're covering up her keens huh
The Force is grrrrlpower, everyone knows this by now. And after that latest Matrix movie, it turns out The One was just the first force sensitive person/people in our galaxy
The Force became increasingly stupid after the OT, including the EU. Midichlorians were lazy and the prophecy was a poorly conceived addition.
Did they ever say WHO made the prophecy to the point it was so important and worth remembering?
Surely the answer can't be any worse than Harry Potter's which was "oh, that crazy inept teacher over there"
People put a lot of weight in prophecy. Intent can be warped with such a maneuver. Effective psyops prophecies. Look at Revelations. israelites put a few in that gay little book and all you schizos do all day is cream yourselves over the end of the world day after day. Now they're making it a reality in Israel because they already have the prophecy to lead you into a trap. You see how it works?
>Midichlorians were lazy and the prophecy was a poorly conceived addition
Explain why.
Midichlorians are a superfluous dead end. Drawing a parallel to the symbiotic origin of mitochondria doesn't really do anything to elaborate on the Force, because we still end up with a somewhat spiritual/mystical energy field between living things and the universe. Midichlorians are just an excuse for exposition. They're redundant middlemen. They're hardly even mentioned, and outside of their introduction you could replace "Midichlorians" with "the Force" and lose nothing.
The prophecy is just tacked on nonsense that shrivels into incoherence the more you think about it. Its biggest issue is that there's no real reason to grant such primacy to the threat of the Sith in particular, not just in terms of hypotheticals but in the actual story of the prequels as it exists. So we're just left with dramatic irony, which we would already possess by the nature of prequels being prequels.
Midichlorians are perfectly fine as a "power meter" mechanic providing they are merely attracted to an individual's attunement to the Force rather than being actually mechanically part of it. And since that latter part comes exclusively from George's incoherent, inconsistent, and often utterly self-contradictory interview ramblings it's easy enough to just ignore it. There are so many other issues with post-OT Star Wars I have no idea why this utter triviality has taken on such totemic status.
Nah it was all spot on, low IQ pissants just haven't gotten the autistic process of the moronic genius in those movies. In around 10 years some shit will shift culture and your YouTuber of choice will be able to explain the right opinion to you and you'll finally understand why it's actually really smart.
>will the manbabies more finally on?
>more finally on?
Who could it be? Chink? Shitskin? Slav? AI?
The Force is a proud transwoman who yas queen slay.
Good, midiclorians were stupid
Good, midichlorians were stupid
I'm trans btw
Obsessed
have a nice day troony
Obsessed
Good, midiclorians were stupid
Will we ever see a Darth Vader perspective movie?
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
>will the manbabies finally move on?
No, like everything in media now being tainted by woketroons and lefties, we all are just dwelling and remaining in the past and not giving these new age shite credence. Playing old video games, 40K remains in the era of the 2000s before the return of the Primarchs, Primaragay Marines, and b***hstodes, and Star Wars remains the original and prequel trilogies along with some tidbits in the KOTOR age.
The Force was ruined with the concept of the "light side" of the force, and it being in balance with the dark side. There is no "light side". There is the Force and there is a corrupted aberation of the Force called the dark side. Balance is not equaling the light to the dark, balance is defeating the dark and returning the force to its natural state of harmony.
>The Force was ruined with the concept of the "light side" of the force, and it being in balance with the dark side. There is no "light side". There is the Force and there is a corrupted aberation of the Force called the dark side. Balance is not equaling the light to the dark, balance is defeating the dark and returning the force to its natural state of harmony.
This is correct but the Dark Side was using the Force for your own benefits while the normal Force was taught as being integrated, as though you were serving it. Lucas said the bad guys are just selfish Force users basically, and that power alone corrupts.
KEK. It was officially over with the force awakens man. Disney Wars is not SW and most of the time it doesn´t even try to be.
>George Lucas' original vision
Except he had no vision. He just made shit up along the way.
Nah that's internet mythology. George did have a long-term plan (at least as early as 1975) AND he was also making shit up as he went along based on whatever fricking whim he felt that day. I get it, you've heard that on the internet a bunch but it's not true. A lot of the "facts" the internet believes about old George are complete bollocks and are really just fan rumors from the early 2000s that have been repeated so much that they're now established "fact" despite being complete bunk.
Watching you rape all the RLMdrones last week was glorious.
This guy is right. George did had a ton of plans, but he changed them as things happened specially while producing ANH since nothing was secure at the time. He even tought about using the first movie as a pilot to a TV series.
THE *CLAP* FORCE *CLAP* IS *CLAP* FEMALE *CLAP*
The craziest ability I thought was cool from the EU games was Force Walking. The ability to harness and take in force ghosts into yourself and use their power. The catch is that you can only use one at a time and if you have more than one, you pretty much go crazy, get seriously ill and die due to the many conflicting personalities and overwhelming power.
Is she supposed to be a female whatever Darth Maul is?
Zabrak race I think
I thought only males had horns, the females are like this b***h? I'm confused.
Dathomirians are a different thing. Female Zabraks already exist in canon and EU
>The true nature of the Force has always been strongly debated
It's a fricking energy that permeates every living thing. The Jedi tap into the flow and try to kill their egos to do the Force "will". The Dark Side is a cancer that instead of taping, takes. The abuse of the force creates such dark energies even the dark side users are affected.
That's it, simple and effective. The midchlorians were a dumb idea but nothing more.
This is the problem
Looks like a typical baizuo.
I was going to cyberbully you for using such an old, out-of-date meme, but there's accidental wisdom in that. Part of why these movies fail is because that kind of person barely exists anymore (young, angry, cultivates a leftist aesthetic while having right-wing politics under twenty layers of media subversion). College students no longer say billionaires are okay as long as they're beige and have a vegana. No one in their twenties thinks that Hillary Clinton would have led us to peace and prosperity, if it wasn't for chud berniebros. Young people want actual progress and equality, and that is directly antithetical to media millionaires like Kathleen Kennedy.
>I was going to cyberbully you for using such an old, out-of-date meme, but there's accidental wisdom in that. Part of why these movies fail is because that kind of person barely exists anymore (young, angry, cultivates a leftist aesthetic while having right-wing politics under twenty layers of media subversion). College students no longer say billionaires are okay as long as they're beige and have a vegana. No one in their twenties thinks that Hillary Clinton would have led us to peace and prosperity, if it wasn't for chud berniebros. Young people want actual progress and equality, and that is directly antithetical to media millionaires like Kathleen Kennedy.
can we move away from the Jedi being portrayed as good?
Imagine if your child is a genius and one day men in black come knocking saying his intelligence is too dangerous to be left alone? He must either be lobotomized or join their brotherhood which means forswearing the right to have a family or offspring. He must also deny all human emotions as emotions are bad.
>star wars manchildren
>move on
Oh you.
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
That's right OT chuds, time to step down and take a knee! The force is queer black fat and female!
290 posts of anon bots pulling their string and repeating one of their ten preprogrammed phrases. Again.
>I was going to cyberbully you for using such an old, out-of-date meme,
Is that the same person? Those gay frogs came a long way.
I haven't watched a single Disney Star Wars movie or tv show since The Force Awakens. I have zero desire to see Disney rape my childhood.
Based. George is a complete hack. Frick him, I hope he dies.
Self-immolation is the new woke apparently.
>we're making Star Wars better by making it less like Star Wars
I can literally smell the gasoline, kek.
What the frick was Lucas’ “vision” for the force? It wasn’t a spiritual power but actual green goblins on a microscopic level sending out power to the universe and attaching themselves to force users somehow?
No really read about the whills of the force and assorted Lucas trash. The man is on camera making shit up in a couple of weeks on a liner block, does anyone seriously believe he ever cared?
>move finally on
ESL stfu
In the movie Star Wars 1977, light sabers do not light up the user in the color of the saber. That's not because they weren't able to achieve that effect (which is easy, shine light from off-screen). It's because that's not what a 'laser sword' does. It's concentrated that's the whole concept. Not spilling its light out everywhere. This new saber type is not a laser sword but a flourescent tube sword and everyone needs to be reminded it is not a star wars lightsaber
Have you guys noticed that chuds have learned the acronym DEI and now they use it in every context?