What does this mean for animation? Nearly everyone in California uses Adobe products after all
https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/17/24180196/adobe-us-ftc-doj-sues-subscriptions-cancel
The US Government is suing Adobe
What does this mean for animation? Nearly everyone in California uses Adobe products after all
https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/17/24180196/adobe-us-ftc-doj-sues-subscriptions-cancel
I thought they used Toon Boom
Canadians use Toon Boom, burgers use Flash.
What?
I’m American and I was taught animation using Toonboom. EVERYONE in the animation industry uses Toonboom. The only exception to this rule is independent artists who can’t afford it, and they either use the old Flash versions or (as is the case with AimKid) use TVPaint. Why? Because Adobe sucks and Animated CC is pure fricking garbage, like not even worth the fricking expense
You must be lucky, because I got taught shit Adobe products while I was in Graphic Design class.
Adobe products are used for everything but animation. In fact, I think the only major production using Flash is Smiling Friends.
>Adobe products are used for everything but animation
Titmouse and Nick still use Flash primarily. It's called Animate now because Adobe hacked off the ActionScript portions of the program which made it useful for interactive websites (but a security nightmare)
Ankama's still on flash
Art schools have been teaching Toon Boom with only cursory Adobe lessons. Partly because the industry has made the shift, another part because TB’s been offering cheaper licensing agreements to businesses and institutions.
>t.attending SCAD
It's also significantly easier to learn Toon Boom, since it's got more tutorials tailored to cutout animation than Flash. (The ones I DID find for Flash were severely outdated.)
The user face is also a lot easier to get the hang of. Like Toonboom is so damn user friendly and it’s actually really good for organizing. Not only do you have multiple layers but also different art layers, one for line art, another for paint, etc. Also, the pencil is my wife. IT IS MY LIFE
Can confirm
>t. MCAD alumni
Love seeing other Toon Boom bros. I even bought the perpetual license. If the software was a woman, I would have married her by now.
Adobe should've added nodes years ago, but it's clear that Toon Boom's the perfect woman.
Toon Boom's UI confused me
It confuses me too, but eventually nodes will start to make sense once you get into rigging.
Promise?
I promise, there's no shortage of rigging tutorials out there.
>Art schools teaching relevant software
nice joke
Depends on the school, some are just lucky.
Background art, character designs, prop designs, and layout are all done in .PSD files which require Adobe Photoshop
Not really, you can open PSDs in Paint Tool Sai just fine.
>Paint Tool Sai
Who in the industry is using Paint Tool Sai? Also animation editing and compositing is also done with Adobe
Steve Lambe abuses Paint Tool Sai, though he sometimes uses Photoshop for more complex stuff.
On CSP and FireAplaca too, and FA is free
I've tried FA, and I don't get nearly as much control with my linework as I do in SAI. Having a pen layer is a game changer.
>and layout are all done in .PSD files which require Adobe Photoshop
people save in .PSD because it's an universal file type, every modern art program is compatible with it
It will have no impact because all animation is outsourced to Asia.
And asians use Toon Boom too, so Flash is on its way to becoming deader than it already was.
Japan doesn't.
Well yeah, they're an outlier because Clip Studio Paint's the standard over there.
The only Adobe software I ever used professionally was Illustrator.
Illustrator's a fine option, especially if you want to make clean lineart. I've gotten tons of mileage just out of the curvature tool alone.
Does this mean no more Canadian slop cartoons?
The only Canadian studio that still uses Flash is Elliot. (As far as I'm aware.)
Flash was replaced by Animate and Character years ago.
Animate still shares the same unopitimized codebase with Flash, even down to laggy previews.
No it means they'll be forced to offer copies of CS5 for free
not much, settlement most likely, agreement to update and improve working practices to bring them into line with US law which the lawsuit claims they're not meeting
there will likely be secondary suits after that, class action maybe, and a settlement based on how many subscriptions the customer had and for how long over the period that's at issue in this case
it's unlikely to change much except who runs the sales and marketing departments at Adobe
won't it be cheaper to just legalize torrenting?
I thought companies only use expensive programs because of it being a tax deductible.
Adobe used to be cheap for schools, but they lack transparency when it comes to their subscription model.
No, they use them because they're locked in as much as because they're deductible.
Institutional malaise. They fleece schools and businesses because they're the originals (in the eyes of the public), but that IBM shtick isn't working anymore.
it helps out workflow if everyone uses exactly the same thing
Not anymore. I use Clip Studio for illustration and deliver psds. I'm sure the other alternatives have psd options too.
It must be more complicated with illustrator and after effects. Indesign has the hdmi format that works elswere (I could learn affinity publisher, but its easier to block the adobe cloud and use a pirated version instead, frick Adobe)
I personally cannot stand the layouts of AE and Premiere, VEGAS' layout makes far more sense to me.
I havn't opened AE in ages. I'll take a look at Vegas, Thanks anon. As long as it has layers and that invisible node, it should work the same to do some motions graphics.
You'll need this script, since VEGAS doesn't let you make your own custom keyframes out-of-the-box.
https://github.com/RatinFX/VegasProFlow
Most people tend to use VEGAS for YTPMVs and Sparta Remixes, but it'll do the job just fine.
Adobe became irredeemable when they switched to a subscription model for Creative Cloud so I hope the DOJ rapes them
Russian cracks FTW.
Good. Everyone who works at Adobe is a fricking snake. I don't know how their shit became the "industry standard" when there's such problems as:
>programs all have completely different rules, layouts, and features despite being touted as a "creative suite"
>incompatibility between programs where you cannot simply expect them to work together with each other
>absolutely insane memory usage
>an absolute avalanche of bugs and random things that make the programs crash
>updates that arbitrarily change things like tool functionality and shortcuts
>updates that make programs objectively worse
The list goes on and on, there's no reason a subscription service that costs this much monthly and is used by everyone in the art industry should ever have this many problems. Frick every person in charge at Adobe, genuinely.
basically a tldr of what I said, agreed
As a near perpetual college student, I hate how they have a de facto monopoly on pdf and lock shit like rotating the file behind a paywall.
Autodesk the same, previously CAD and 3ds weren't that expensive and people pirated only in a special case due to their moronic licensing, but the moment they went full yearly renew sub and created the devil that was LMGtools, people moved to other shit.
If Adobe's lawsuit ends in DoJ victory, Autodesk is next.
>so I hope the DOJ rapes them
The current GOP controlled Federal Court system is Lochner Era levels of rigged towards the companies. They'll lose, in humiliating fashion.
It's what they get for killing off Flash. Good ridden.
Now my question is, why wasn't Unity also targeted like this when they did the exact same thing?
Unity at least TOLD people about their new fee system, Adobe is mainly coming under fire because of the frickloads of hidden fees and misdirects to make users never realize how much they're going to owe for the service.
Wrong board
use freedom-respecting software
I've always been using GIMP when people have been telling me to use Photoshop, I don't see a point in using the latter.
>b-but muh circles!
also gtk2 but I don't think that many people care about outdated shitware
I use to be proficient with photoshop but now I have gimp. It kind of sucks to be honest I struggle with the layouts and default settings. But if I found my old elements software and tried to upload it ala old school DVD I think Adobe would snipe my computer
I still use photoshop because of the DDS plugins, since GIMP will never support Bc7 support and if they implement is on a Snail pace.
I've never tried any DDS plugins before, are they worth it?
GIMP DDS support is plain basic
Photoshop supports Intel's bc7 and the plugin is quite good and simple.
People are begging for BC7 support for years, and GIMP hasn't moved their ass to support either.
So I take it Photoshop has a monopoly on BC7 and DDS?
In parts yes, because even shademap supports DDS all the way to DXT5 compression.
Even Irfanview doesn't support BC7, you need to open on photoshop to quick view.
Intel's plugoin is limited only to Photoshop
The old Nvidia DDS plugin doesn't work on modern versions anymore
I've got a Ryzen, so I don't know if those intel plugins will do me any good.
It works fine since i use AMD too
Good, I personally don't care about "single-core" performance.
>adobe is claiming to own everything made by its users and M$ is taking pictures of your desktop
FOSS or nothing
Why would anyone use Adobe products when there are like 5 great alternatives for each program. Plus they are free or like only one time fee of $20 like Procreate is.
If you're a freelancer, sure, but if you work in an office or on a team you'll use what everyone else uses because it's convenient. Everyone uses Adobe because everyone else uses Adobe and it's taken a lot of bad decisions in a row for studios to start seriously considering moving away from them but it's happening.
Individuals can use other software. It's a problem with industry where companies still have to use it, like
said.
That said the whole shit with the AI is probably pissing people off at the corporate level, and even if they aren't mad at Adobe yet, there is cause for concern if they're uploading stuff to the cloud
Just get it for free lmao.
https://filecr.com/windows/collection-2020-2021-2024/?id=063098140000
Go nuts.
Why even pirate it when free programs are now superior
Use krita, use fire alpaca, use gimp even
People using adobe products even pirated keeps adobe as a standard when it should have been universally abandoned
Fair point, pirating Windows was how Windows got its market share to begin with.
Which of those have an animation tool worth a damn? That's what I wanna know.
People are apparently using Clip Studio Paint to animate.
Krita has it
I find Pencil 2D very easy to use
I use that too, actually. Really good stuff if you just want something simple that works like traditional but digitally. However, I could really use something else that can do vectors too.
Gimp is fricking awful.
Your pepper will never be green.
The ancient fork that tried to resemble more like Photoshop was discontinued but revived by someone else to much less fanfare to the point that it's still not mentionedon Wikipedia.
>Everyone who works at Adobe is a fricking snake.
Some employees are fed up
Even hacked versions can get caught and shut off if you connect to the internet. Don't ask me how that shit happens or is even legal
Firewall it. It's the basic of basics.
Based government for a change. Watching Adobe commit suicide in real time is wild though. What change of hands led to this?
I still use a pirated Photoshop to draw and do stuff with because it’s easy to find brushes for it or implement things since it’s been around for a while, so we all collectively know more about it. Zoomers don’t share their secrets with the other art programs so I don’t feel like making the full switch. I’m aware Adobe are pricks though so I will gladly refuse to pay them shit.
I Knew that Adobe's homosexualry would bit them hard in the ass very soon, but Federal Shitshow is a whole new level of ass bite.
A loss for Adobe is a win for everyone else.
Good, I hate Animate's shitty pen tool.
Who Adobe?
Even the government is sick and tired of Adobe's bullshit subscription based model
Maybe that will convince MAGIX to ditch the subscription model and keep only the perpetual license model.
>inb4 MAGIX locks features behind via a pro version you can only sub to
You cannot stop them from greed.
Team V.R. and Team KHG most certainly did.
It'll result in a lot more "professional"(read: non-indie) projects using Blender.
Everyone pirates that shit
But. If we focus on animating, it's mainly toom boom and 3d programs. Adobe is used for concept art mostly, and that can be done with tons of alternative programs, lighter and only focused on illustration. Photoshop is a Swedish knife but too heavy at times, when you have apps like procreate, gimp or clip studio that flow much better.
If you think about it, its an app for photographers that illustrators start using. No surprise they are ditching all the artists for people focused on general use.
I personally find drawing on Photoshop to be a drag, which is why it's better for me to use programs tailored to art. (Not just image manipulation.)
The same. I left a bootleged phshp in my 8gram laptop to do fast corrections in cmyk ( the only fault of cs is that you have to reexport in cmyk). The lag in unvearable while cs works fine. And CS is a heavy program.
>CS is a heavy program
It's why I tend to use SAI, because it runs fine on potatoes.
I meant Swiss knife.
I'll look into it, sometimes simpler is better.
Happy to help! Enjoy using VEGAS 😉
But before I do, here are some tips to make your life significantly easier.
>Disable Resample (Most Important)
>Disable Quantize to Frames
>Set the quick fade length for audio events to 1
It may not seem like much, but you'll be able to edit more precise cuts and have renders that won't look like shit.
I forgot to mention that you should set the deinterlace method to "none." (By default, it's set to "blended frames", which looks like shit.)
Thx, saving all these.
I've been using VEGAS for over a decade, so feel free to ask if you need help.
I still like using CS6, especially for Flash.
I have no idea why people take adobe's shit for so long. Their hatred of Linux aside, their entire structure is such a crock of bullshit and are the worst aspects of the software world. I can't believe people would bend over backwards for them just for Photoshop (Admittedly very good but not worth this shit), flash (RIP), acrobat (lmao) and dogshit like After Effects (Literally why?)
you're forgetting substance painter for /3/, which if you're unaware, is the only program of its kind for video games, literally every non-indieshit video game you've played will have used it in its pipeline.
i believe premiere pro and adobe illustrator are similarly indispensible in their respective industries.
oh, and i forget the name, but that adobe program that you can design books on.
I wish I'd spent more time pursuing animation than my year's stint in high school, and I was a lazy little moron about saving my projects so whatever I did have saved on my student drive has been loooong gone by now. Tried Animate some years ago and even as someone with no skill but at least leftover familiarity with the Flash UI it's such hot fricking dogshit; I can't believe its shitty pen can exist in the same "creative suite" as the one in Photoshop? Seemed impossible to draw anything decent in the afternoon I spent trying it and I know I didn't have much difficulty with CS3 over a decade ago w/ a mouse.
I'm never gonna get back into animation anyway but it's a shame I'll never get to use Flash's timeline again without pirating CS3-5. Tried Toon Boom too and it just wasn't the same without that fricking timeline.