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Hancuck was so butthurt that he spent half his time whining about media articles against him than discussing actual archeology kek
He discussed plenty of archeology and every time he did Dribble refused to comment on it except to autistically fake-laugh in hopes people would mistake his smug attitude for correctness.
>in hopes people would mistake his smug attitude for correctness
such is the modus operandi of every modern "debater"
You would be laughing too if you studied Mars data for 30 years and someone put a photograph in front of you and said "Look at that rock formation on Mars does it not look man-made???"
>b-b-but what about this thing here?! Doesn’t it look like… something?!
That doesn’t seem like archeology to me.
but that's exactly what archaeology is
there's no point trying to argue facts when a biased agenda agent is actively trying to smear you, you cant reason with these people all you can do is expose them for the venomous little wiener suckers they are.
I can't tell which one you're referring too
obviously flint dibble
Obviously Graham "Can't take my" Han"d off my"wiener
>smear you
That's ironic because Hancuck literally opens his Netflix 10-episode series with the opening line in Episode 1 "they are trying to silence me and my ideas" Dude has a giant persecution complex and then later after the show aired when the news articles started showing up it just inflated his sense of victimization in a feedback loop
sounds like Graham is on to something, in the podcast Graham calls dibble out for his white supremacist tweet, dibble was poisoning the well before this debate even started, why would a serious academic have to stoop to this level?
Why did Dibble lie though? He said Hanwiener’s views support white supremacy, in his article, which he wrote, and then said “no I never said that”, like a typical leftist goon.
Where did Dibble lie? Show it to me.
Okay.
Here’s a neck beard on YouTube pointing it out.
>https://m.youtube.com/shorts/_9xwuJ8x8ZU
And here’s the article Dibble wrote:
>https://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/ancient-apocalypse-pseudoscience/
And I quote:
— “Like many forms of pseudoarchaeology, these claims act to reinforce white supremacist ideas, stripping Indigenous people of their rich heritage and instead giving credit to aliens or White people.”
Yes, Dibble is a lying worm with an agenda. These people just go “Nope, never said that. Nope.”, and they win.
Flint stone lost my respect once he put on the corporate training videos.
That was the only thing that bothered me about Dibble. His social media persona in the few clips we saw on Rogan was completely different from the serious, academic image he was trying to convey.
I guess this is a wider problem with academia in general, you have to please the woke crowd and the sjws with buzz words like white supremacist and racist.
The only thing? Really?
Yes. I'm a simple man. Dibble shows me photos of trenches with bones and broken ceramics embedded and I believe this used to be a Roman road 2000 years ago.
Hanwiener shows me vacation photos of underwater rocks at weird angles while whining that he spent his own money oh and also he almost died diving and I go suuuure
kys NPC stooge
Here's the full quote for disingenuous morons like you. Like Joe Rogan, you probably also thought that Flint put that quote at the top of the article and didn't realize that was Hanwiener photoshopping it there.
>pseudoarchaeology
Stopped reading right there.
Only homosexuals use that term.
Anon. Dibble wrote the article I linked. Who the frick are you trying to fool? Redditors?
This is a picture of the article you linked, dumbass. Did you even read it? Obviously not.
>it support white supremacy!
oh yea, according to who?
>to me of course, here let me quote myself, thus proving me right...
and you people say it isn't a mind virus
>shifts goalpost once he realizes Dibble never called Handchud a white supremacist
Thanks for that concession, moron.
>I didnt call YOU a white supremacist I just said that everything you do is white supremacist in nature
lol
>can't quote correctly
Again, thanks for the concession, moron.
>can't quote correctly
Elaborate.
He did, in the most pussy way possible.
He talked about how white supremacists say there was an ancient race of white people who sailed the world and taught the world how to not be caveman in his video about Hanwiener. Thus implying that is what Graham thinks.
Hanwiener's a fricking moron without even having to bring culture wars into it, which half feels like a conspiracy to try and galvanize support for him. How the frick is someone talking about telekinesis actually being given even the slightest light of day? I don't think /misc/ is the problem, honestly, I think it's fricking /x/. For awhile it's transitioned beyond reasonable conspiracy theories into the domain of demonology, numerology, incoherent gibberish.
I don't see people flipping out at Gobeke-Tepe and the idea of civilization being started long before Jericho at 7000 BC. I just see people, myself included, flipping out at some charlatan jackass talking about insane theories of telekinetic pyramid building and hyper-advanced utopian prehistoric societies without any evidence. Just look at that jetpacking leap of faith. "This figure had large lips and a large nose (Because nobody other than Black folks had that, clearly). That doesn't just mean a primitive caraciture like depiction by the natives but rather there was a land connection between the americas and africa or there was a prehistoric triangle trade of african slaves". Black person, maybe it was just fricking primitive art form? I remember hearing Hanwiener bring up Terra Preta. Very interesting idea, something that ought to be studied further. Clearly demonstrates the amazon had advanced agriculture relative to hunter-gathering. Doesn't demonstrate you had some hyper advanced international civilization. Might not even demonstrate there was something maya-tier. Fricking HEYA HOYA HEYA HOYA in feathers and moccassins were smart enough to do slash and burn agriculture, naked blacks in Africa were doing iron metalurgy in the 3rd century BC and it's entirely possible they were figuring out ironmongering before they figured out fricking clothing. I can easily see click-click-tinga-winga being smart enough to use charcoal, bones, pottery and other debris to make good farmland.
I was going to read this post but the formatting is atrocious.
>How the frick is someone talking about telekinesis actually being given even the slightest light of day?
The covid hysteria and its consequences have been a disaster for the credibility of the credentialed expert.
>just see people, myself included, flipping out at some charlatan jackass talking about insane theories of telekinetic pyramid building and hyper-advanced utopian prehistoric societies without any evidence.
The best physician of his day five hundred years ago, a father of medicinal minerals, thought he could produce a miniature slave creation—the homunculus—by jerking off into a chicken egg, or cooming into a horse’s vegana.
Genius and madness go together in history like peanut butter and jam.
Do you have any proof of this? I just don’t buy healers, even medieval ones, being this moronic, sorry.
Okay.
— ‘That the sperm of a man be putrefied by itself in a sealed cucurbit for forty days with the highest degree of putrefaction in a horse's womb ["venter equinus", meaning "warm, fermenting horse dung"[2]], or at least so long that it comes to life and moves itself, and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time, it will look somewhat like a man, but transparent, without a body. If, after this, it be fed wisely with the Arcanum of human blood, and be nourished for up to forty weeks, and be kept in the even heat of the horse's womb, a living human child grows therefrom, with all its members like another child, which is born of a woman, but much smaller.’ [3]:328–329
The original coomer, if you will.
Anyway, asking for proof for everything is a sickness at this point. Just stop it. Ask nicely instead of insisting it’s wrong.
How do you know it doesn't work? Have you tried it?
Hermetic chemists were legit the mad scientists of their day lmao
It’s a trade off. One must counterbalance their genius with heavy stupid, otherwise they tip over.
>Doesn't demonstrate you had some hyper advanced international civilization.
It’s not supposed to. It doesn’t have to. You can appreciate past accomplishments without subscribing to it. Learn to dissect qualities.
>we found tens of thousands of artifacts including plants, bones, ceramics, teeth and shells so we know hunters-gatherers were there.
Flint
>these structures have to be man-made because my gut feeling tells me so. Also my wife and I went diving there.
Hanwiener
Except how does the existence of hunter gatherers refute Hanwiener's ideas?
That's the whole point. Imagine 1000 years in the future somebody claims that aliens visited earth and shared their technologies with us but all the archaeologists say that no all we found were 21st century tech devices among some human bones.
It doesn't but midwit plebbitors think it does.
Because we founds thousands of items belonging to bumfrick hunter gatherers but none of the supposed global-spanning 19th century-tech civilization Hancuck claims existed at the same time.
How odd
Does dribble think modern civilization doesnt exist because we have hunter gatherers in the world today
He must. After all, if a civilization with cell phones visited Africa we'd be digging up cell phones in the graves of hunter-gatherer villages.
>the existence of hunter-gatherers disproves the existence of more advanced civilizations
Pic related disproves the existence of the US and Europe.
You fricking moron. There are no real uncontacted tribes. Even the Sentinelese islanders probably have plastics and other Made in China junk that washed up on their island.
The point is that humans have existed at disparate levels of technology for all of human history, so you can't just say finding X amount of hunter-gatherer remains completely rules out any more advanced society coexisting anywhere else on the planet.
I can say finding no evidence whatsoever of said advanced society rules it out
Nah. To me it's about impact on the environment. First-world countries with advanced technology produce an insane amount of pollutants, garbage and other stuff that permanently stays in the ground, air and oceans as opposed to a tribe of jungle cannibals.
What does any of that have to do with the fact that hunter-gatherer tribes exist on Earth at the same time as the United States of America?
Because we would find traces of the united states existing
But would we have if there were multiple worldwide calamities that buried the US over thousands of years while only hunter-gatherers survived and also the US hadn't developed plastic yet so everything can biodegrade on top of being buried deeper than anyone is willing to dig?
Except we find no trace of these simultaneous global worldwide calamities that would destroy to the last item of this advanced cililization but would leave intact the hunter gatherers.
Doesn't Dibble mention ships at some point? A globe spanning seafaring advanced civilization would have thousands of ship wrecks at the bottom of oceans.
It would have much more than just ships being around if it were 19th century tech like he claims
Yeah I mean just imagine the amount of boats, planes, uboats, unexploded shells and garbage we dumped into the oceans since WW1
That kind of line just shows the limits of his imagination.
Reed ships would leave no archaelogical footprint and the fricking Titanic will be almost entirely gone within a few centuries.
Then how do you explain all the well-preserved ancient shipwrecks archaeologists have found?
mud
>ancient shipwrecks
Not that old in the grand scheme of things and found in areas we're already looking for other stuff in.
The small boats that we do find from like ~7k years ago only survived due to unique envrionmental conditions, much like fossils.
The stuff that ships carry around though would last just fine. Pottery, rope, coins, etc. Any kind of actual civilization with any level of trading would leave trash around and other signs of activity. This stupid idea that there's some sailboat hiding under a nondescript mound in the middle of nowhere with technology from Atlantis only makes sense to the most smooth brained of morons.
>pottery ropes coins
Assumptions based on your personal bias.
>level of trading would leave trash
You've imagined the scale of the civilisation and its practices to suit yourself.
>technology from atlantis
This is an idea you have in your head that has nothing to do with anything discussed.
Assuming they were on the West Coast of North America, they easily should have been wiped out by the Cascadia fault slipping and would have done major damage in Asia as well. Any items of theirs would have long since been buried/destroyed due to the various major quakes since the last ice age.
I also think he idea of them being an "advanced" society with 17th century level tech is fricking moronic. At best they were at the Aztec level.
Anon's, what are you even talking about? That somewhere sometime a civilization got destroyed? Maybe, who cares?
This is the thread talking about the theories of Graham Hanwiener saying an ancient, global spanning civilization with 19th century tech introduced hunter gatherers with agriculture all over the world before vanishing.
>19th century tech
He never says this.
He says that they went down a different technological path than we did.
Go back to Victorian times and there were thousands of uncontacted tribes.
and the textbooks have never sided with hanwiener, yet these reddit archaeologists are uppity anyway. cringe.
>You're a heckin' racist!
Wow. Much facts and logic.
>Yeah hehe those huge-lipped statues look African to you? I guess that's why my dad always called you "Graham Cracker"
Recognizing facial features of different ethnic groups and telling them apart is racist as hell, bro.
Things may have happened in some way, predicting only means some way is obvious, can't have facts before they happen is not a fact if it hasn't happened
The story of logic
Did anyone honestly get anything from this? How was this even called a debate.
Hanwiener: My wife took these pictures. They prove that aliens made the pyramids.
Dibble: Well, I disagree. See this chart that I'm going to put up for 3 seconds and not explain or even bother reading the axis on? It says you are wrong.
Hanwiener: I think your chart says that I am right.
Dibble: I disagree!
It was a gigantic waste of time.
They really needed to have set topics for each person to present on. It seemed like they were just told to bring whatever they wanted and the presentations didn't even address each other and they both felt thoroughly unprepared to answer their opponent's questions because of that.
>prove that aliens made the pyramids
wtf are you rambling on about?
This guy sells books and makes piles of money...same as any established religion. I can't get mad at that.
Graham Hanwiener on the Left
Flint Dibble on the Right.
You cannot dispute this fact.
He should try having Anatoly Fomenko on his show.
I think true archaeology is just even stranger than this and it scares people. So much is extrapolated out of very few and inbetween evidence of the world, and although it may be highly accurate, is left to be explained by scholars who are comtemporary, highly opinionated, and political. When you realize no matter how much you study >99.9999999% of all this information has been lost to time, it is simply too much for some to handle.
This is why hard skepticism is a danger.
Hanwiener: aliens came to earth from mars and gave the mayans DMT so they could speak with the dead, spread technology throughout the world and built the pyramids with telekinesis. Also there should be open borders and my wife is black
Normal people: this seems like bullshit
morons: OMG LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS
Dibble: No
>hanwiener: aliens
Never happened.
Hanwiener is a stupid miscegenating moron so I'm not sure why you feel the need to make shit up.
Why do you lie?
source?
Hanwiener's book The Mars Mystery
Didn't happen in his discussion with Dr Dribble.
You said never
As in never in the discussion.
Go back to school.
His previous books are literally called "fingerprints of the Gods " and "Magicians of the Gods " and " The Mars Mystery"
>logic and calculus run vs inland empire run
>aliens came to earth from mars and gave the mayans DMT so they could speak with the dead, spread technology throughout the world and built the pyramids with telekinesis. Also there should be open borders and my wife is black
he never said that
also learn to green text reddit homosexual
>Aliens
He claims in his book "The Mars Mystery" that aliens built sphinx on mars and came to earth to be a civilizing force
>DMT
On one of his joe rogan appearances he said he believes ayahuasca brings you into another dimension between life and death (some shit like that) and that it was given to Mayans by this advanced Atlantean civilization
>Telekinesis
In the same Joe rogan interview he said we should be "open to the possibility" that the egyptian pyramids were built with telekinesis.
these are all theories of his not claims.
learn the difference moron
>BRO THEY'RE JUST THEORIES, LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS
no, you are moronic, and I will laugh at you because your moronation is funny.
Claims and theories are the same thing. Typically you assume a claim to prove a theory. Then once you've proved the theory, you go back and prove the claim. All a claim is is an unproved theory.
>claims and theories are the same thing
If I claim that you're a homosexual then I am saying that you are a homosexual.
If I am theorising that you could be a homosexual then I'm not committing to it either way.
— ‘Some Rogan fans will surely dismiss my remarks as symptoms of a “woke mind virus,” which apparently infects anyone who relies on evidence, experts, and the scientific method to form conclusions. Meanwhile, some colleagues will call me foolish. A pawn playing into the hands of pseudoscientists.’
— “Many people buy it. Based on a recent survey by Chapman University scholars, nearly 50 percent of people in the U.S. believe in lost civilizations or ancient aliens.”
So apparently believing in undiscovered civilizations is a bad thing? Archaeology is over!
It's weird that its frowned upon to believe in undiscovered civilizations when just last year we discovered a whole bunch if new shit in the Amazon thanks to radar or satellites or something. Or does that not count? Isn't it silly to think we've found evidence of every civilization to ever exist?
It's weird because an advanced civilization would leave much more evidence behind than jungle monkeys
>Isn't it silly to think we've found evidence of every civilization to ever exist?
no the science is settled chud
Theorizing there are lost civs is not frowned upon. What is looked down on is theorizing there was some kind of advanced civilization, that can sail the world and teach the savages back in the Ice Age.
>sail the world
Not that advanced.
>teach savages basic techniques
Not that advanced.
morons act like he's talking about the ancients from Stargate or some shit.
Advanced compared to literally everyone else. Who were little more than caveman.
GOOLD?
If they only set their differences aside they would make a killer team.
>gets his theories BTFO
>start to screech about getting called a racist, white supremacist
I still think he might be on to something, but he is terrible at dealing with people who question him and knows what they are talking about.
i don’t understand the context but i agree anyway
What's with dibblegays making all these threads to cry and cope in?
I honestly don’t fricking care how insane Graham is I just fricking despise hard skeptics who refuse to entertain anything and go out of their way to disparage divergent thought.
Do these people understand that the geniuses of the past were all similarly insane and dangerously imaginative people, poking at the unknown?
Safe science is stifling to the point of offence and Dibble is on the same tier as Neil deGrasse Tyson. True science has an element of irresponsibility to it.
Divergent thought is challenging the status quo with evidence and plausible theories. Not
>dude
>DMT
>Lmao
You know there was a person in Ancient Greece who just fricking KNEW that particles and atoms and shit existed, but that more charismatic idiot Aristotle thought everything was made out of the four elements, and won out, because the guy who propose atomism was a balding manlet.
Sometimes you just know better without having any deep enough proof. Tough.
I can’t remember his name but there definitely was. The word “atom” itself comes from the Greek word for something that cannot be broken into smaller components
If you listened to those with the credentials, you’d think everybody forgot what germ theory is and that disease is a miasma in the air. When the so-called experts are spewing that kind of nonsense those with a brain will start entertaining alternate ideas
Yes, that is precisely who I am referring to. It was either Democritus or his teacher Laurentius.
>there are these small unbreakable particles and some of them have hooks and others are smooth
>how do I know this...?? uh idk lol
Aristotle logically mogged the atomists.
“Yes, ancient cultures existed and built shit”
“How do you know this?”
“Idk I’m just assum-“
“Would you look at this idiot”
????
Where in my post did you see me supporting Graham Hanwiener? The mental capacity of gaytheists never ceases to amaze...
Stop worshiping “scientists” like Neil and Dibble.
>True science has an element of irresponsibility to it.
t. Dr. Mengele
>Do these people understand that the geniuses of the past were all similarly insane and dangerously imaginative people, poking at the unknown?
This is not an argument. For every “genius” that was wrongly shamed there were and are 10,000 grifters, ignoramuses, and morons who were rightly told to shut up. Look at how many idiots on Facebook think they know about literally anything.
I really like Randall Carlson but Hanwiener instantly activates my bullshit sensor. Not that i think Randall is correct either but at least he seems like a nice old man, very pleasant to listen to
>I really like Randall Carlson
If you think about it, he is literally a human sized dwarf. The beard, the manner of speech, his interested in geometry and patterns in reality. He's the closest to an IRL fantasy race being.
Based, you're right. Graham CHADwiener wins again, as usual. lol
Dibble gives off major plebbit energy and is very disingenuous throughout the discussion thus I disagree with him by default.
Hanwiener is a racemixing drug addled moron and therefore I also distrust everything he says.
dibble demolished hancucks career
its quite literally over for hancuck and the younger dryas weirdoBlack folk
I like you morons turn on him now when you defended him for years and years with tooth and nail
there is evidence of humans wearing clothing as far back as 70 000-150 000 years ago. this alone shows that humans at that time were not all wandering barbarians. statue found is 40 000 years old. I am not sure why its such a leap to assume that ancient people lived at least in some places in complex societies.
modern academia will not even accept that Polynesians reached south America even though they had sweet potato's like the once found in the Andes before European contact. it just makes me fricking despise people like this bearded goof off the bat.
People should honestly despise academics out of principle. Have you ever met one? They need to be humbled after having hot undergrads tell them they're so smart all day.
Hanwiener won the Egypt part of the debate but he lost the rest of it
Just look at this guy on the left. He should be put into a hard labor camp and worked to death.
saved you 4 hours
ver 2
graham's constant switching between glasses really pissed me the frick off, not good optics (literally)
also he outed himself as falling for the christcuck spanish psyop about white Quetzalcoatl, which has been debunked for decades in Mexico:
He never said Quetzalcoatl was a white man, he highlighted the distinction between how the indigenous people represented themselves and this mysterious figure/figures.
>He never said Quetzalcoatl was a white man
he quoted the fricking bogus spanish priests, are you kidding me? this is graham's achilles heel
Is this where Flint Dibble got his fashion inspiration?
*stands in full costume, observing a moment of silence for the victims of 9/11*
what's going on the back of the fedora's neck?
>Graham Hanwiener
has had sex and doesn't wear a fedora
>Flint Dibble
has never had sex and wears a fedora also his name is Flint Dibble
Fricking destroyed