Weebs will not read anything that doesn't come from an East Asian.
People that read Western comics tend to prefer their comics in color.
People that read vertical comics prefer color and the format.
Is there only a market in France?
There really isn't an audience for manga inspired comics
Weebs are wise because many other countries are trying to culturally pillage japan with soulless imitation which will then dilute and influence the internal japanese industry. If you are a weeb and you read anything from Korea or China that imitates Japan please think about your actions. Just enjoy the Chinese puppetry, don't encourage faux-anime over there or in the west.
>prefer colour
There's nothing wrong with colour but you can't waste it on shit stories like cape shit. Colour is effort and effort should be expended on a complete product with artistic integrity.
>france
France is a good market because it has its own identity on top of, rightly, worshiping Japan. It's not trying to replace them like Korea or China, nor does it need to. It's not afraid to wear its influences on its sleeve but they're just that. Influences. It is willing to experiment and produce genuinely compelling stuff because of that. The freedom of expression is what makes Japan interesting as an industry.
Copying their style or content won't get you far in the long run. The vitality is in letting authors live or die on readerships but keeping overhead low enough that small time author's actually get the chance to have exposure.
I'm not as familar with France's state of affairs but they seem to have a more diverse expression than Japan, just with a smaller output overall keeping them from the explosive growth Jp's internal industry has. Don't be Japan, just bee yourself, basically.
Scott Pilgrim
Is not anime, despite what they try to market it as
Just like pic related is not manga, despite incorrectly marketing itself as such
>color
why is that even necessary? you don't read manga because of the lack of color (not counting the colored reprints) I also remember having seen a couple of western comics (mostly noir/detective stuff) on black and white for aesthetic reasons
>vertical
ewwww that shit is just for asiatics and koreans on *pukes* phones
>this thing is real
also how it factors comics with heavy inspiration in manga in this?
Why read a fake Manga when you can read the real thing?
How is it fake?
It's not manga?
Why is it "fake" to create comics in the style that inspired them to create comics in the first place? If the only comics you read are from Japan, wouldn't it be "fake" to create comics in a style you dislike just because they are from the same place/race as you?
You do realise the presence or absence of color doesn't make something a manga right?
Yeah, which is why I said fans of Western comics tend to prefer their comics in color. A preference doesn't mean they'd refuse to read a B&W comic.
A lot of webtoons are that though and are popular.
Completely soulless
>Let's make another fricking shonen with the same archetypes as popular 90's animes
>Fights are very safe and lame in comparison
>It doesn't sell
What a shock
Nobody likes a knock-off
>There really isn't an audience for manga inspired comics
Okay so explain the success of Kill 6 Billion Demons then
Except Gold Digger, Battle Nun, Ninja High School, Scott Pilgrim,Empowered,Megatoyko,etc all did well.
By manga inspired I mean made in the style of manga. Only ones from that list that fit are Scott Pilgrim and Ninja High School (Both* of which are over 20 years old).
*Scott Pilgrim is nearly 2 decades old
>I mean made in the style of manga
What in the frick does this mean, exactly? Because Empowered is absolutely more akin to manga in style than Scott Pilgrim is.
Scott Pilgrim's lettering, paneling, composition, and iconography are WAYYY closer to typical manga than Empowered. Empowered reads more like a B&W comic that has manga-esque character designs than a manga.
The ones that I excluded are comics that are manga influenced. The ones I specified are comics that are made using manga standards.
Got it, you're moronic
>Only ones from that list that fit
The frick you talking about those others are heavy manga influenced.
>Scott Pilgrim,Empowered
These are the only non-shitty ones.
With so many kids growing up with manga it's basically inevitable that at least a few of them are going to want to do comics..and they're very likely going to look like the manga they liked growing up.
I think it's the shot in the arm the industry needs. Dump the boomer house style guys with stiff art and Jim Lee wannabees, dump the indie "art comics" crowd and the modern cartoon storyboarders who can only draw doodles, get people who want to draw entertaining action.
I do agree that the western comics industry would be well served by an upsurge in creator-driven series that embrace their own unique style, but until some of them are willing to put in the work to deliver the kind of output you get from mangaka, nothing like that will ever take off. A big part of the reason the manga industry has so many popular series is because the publishers work those frickers to the bone so that chapters come out at a decent pace.
>those frickers to the bone
assistants help too. yeah there's plenty of mangakas that don't use them but the fact that big publishers are actually supporting their bigger artists is a system we'd do well to do here. Where as a company like Image here basically throws you to the wolves and you have to fend for yourself.
The established people get assistants sure, but you don't break into the industry without putting in a shit ton of work over there, and there's no way the west is going to replicate that model without a bunch of ambitious new talent willing to work like hell to get started, which is not really something we have currently.
>but until some of them are willing to put in the work to deliver the kind of output you get from mangaka
One time I tried drawing 17 page weekly chapters just to see if I could.
Made it 3 weeks, then literally couldn't even doodle for a year.
American culture just doesn't instill that hyperdrive ethic that Japanese society does, for better or worse.
Pretty much yeah, it's kind of insane how hard those frickers are willing to work basically just because that's the way they're all raised. You're not going to replicate that anywhere without massive societal change over a very long time.
Most japanese don't last more than a few months as mangaka either. It's not that. It's how manga making is a widely popular craft in japan, so they have a huge pool of people from which to weed out the most insane motherfrickers on the planet
The mangaka pros cheat because they have assistants, usually uncredited
We already had three generations the Tenzika/Lone Wolf and Cub inspired generation and 90's manga/anime with the 90's being most notable with all anime/fighting game inspired guys like Joe Mad,Jason Pearson,Damion Scott, Ed McGuiness,etc and now we got the people inspired by what they see.
I’m surprised Bandai Namco didn’t sue this official fanfiction crossover.
I think there is a space for manga inspired comics but the problem is that a lot of people just stop at stuff like art style and sight gags like characters having huge sweatdrops.
They'll still have the paneling and pacing and writing all follow western sensibilities, so it rings hollow. For example I notice a lot of "manga inspired" comics never seem to capitalize on the value of silence or huge spreads that are just establishing shots. Everything has to be filled with dialogue.
You copy pasted this exact thread on /ic/ are you trying to reverse psychology shill this title or something
Take your meds. =
No I don't think I will
A lot of western "manga" gives the impression that they are inspired by the surface level traits of manga often to the point of feeling like unintentional parody. How to draw manga books are probably the worst about this, but it gives a bad image to the idea of western "manga" as a whole.
How to draw manga books made by westerners might be one of the most handicapping things for anyone who wants to do manga.
>it's just comics with big hair and eyes right?
Imagine my shock when a Japanese course in manga making starts with what panel borders to use and when, and how to position your characters in the scene to achieve a desired emotion. And it was a beginner course.
It's fine to take inspiration, but you still have to do something different alongside taking inspiration.
If you just make a Spiderman ripoff and call him Arachnidude and try to sell it as a comic, it'll also fail because it's just an inferior version of something I could already read.
Then again, given the state of current Spiderman, it might not be inferior.
there's this weird subset of american styled manga tripe that i never hear anyone talk about ever.
the only reason i know they exist is because i saw them advertised in some gold digger "pocket manga" i still have.
then there was stuff like this floating around.
the 2000's were an odd time
I've been saying this for years, but the main problem with manga/anime-inspired western comics and cartoons is that they only imitate the surface level trappings and fail to understand what actually MAKES anime and manga FEEL like anime and manga
in order of no particular importance:
>kishotenketsu - storytelling without traditional A vs B conflict, and split up into four acts
>the impact that the Japanese language has on communication
>Shinto. Buddhist, and Christian influence
>Japanese history, pop culture, and economics
>the history and influence of Japanese art (theater, painting, and storytelling)
>how western comics and cartoons (and movies and books) have shaped anime and manga
Anime-inspired western media will NEVER capture the essence of anime/manga because it isn't being made by people who genuinely treat it as art or who even give a crap about Japan outside of consuming Japanese pop culture
It's being made by weeb-y soulless rich kids living sheltered urbanite lives in California whining about how "nobody takes cartoons SERIOUSLY" while they haven't read a book in years, spend their daddy's money while the economy gets worse, go on Twitter for most of the day, and do nothing but work for companies who will never treat animation seriously
It doesn't help that westerners are always so smug or cheeky. I don't know why. It's not like japanese people can't be smug or cheeky but at least they pretend to be polite to each other over there. Something about westerners became so warped in the last century. We went from "good day Bradford how do you do?" to "ay whats good buttholes I'm frickin zooted haha" and that cultural shift shows in our media. Japan isn't there yet. They keep it at least halfway civil, besides some character archetypes which are written to deliberately be abrasive
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Does Usagi Yojimbo count or is it just a general Japan thing including Stan hinself
It probably doesn't help that "manga-inspired" only ever seems to mean "inspired by the same dozen shounen manga that everyone and their mother has already read."
you act as if that is different from jjk
>manga inspired comics
Like what, Frank Miller comics?
Manga itself isnt even doing as well anymore. Color comics are 100% superior in every way and the sooner Japan switches to color completely, the better. Some manga like "7th Prince" are already doing large chunks of color. So, it has nothing to do with the art style, since stuff like RWBY/Airbender/Totally Spies/etc... have proven that foreigners using Japanese style still sells.