>There was just one particular line in it where one of the Spartan soldiers—I'll remind you, this is Spartans that we're talking about—one of them was talking disparagingly about the Athenians, and said, ‘Those boy-lovers.' You know, I mean, read a book, Frank. The Spartans were famous for something other than holding the bridge at Thermopylae, they were quite famous for actually enforcing man-boy love amongst the ranks as a way of military bonding. That specific example probably says more about Frank's grasp of history than it does about his grasp of homosexuality, so I'm not impugning his moral situation there. I'm not saying it was homophobic; just wasn't very well researched.
>For the record: being a warrior class, the Spartans almost certainly did practice homosexuality. There's also evidence they tended to lie about it. It's not a big leap to postulate that they ridiculed their hedonistic Athenian rivals for something they themselves did. "Hypocrisy" is, after all, a word we got from the Greeks.
it would've been fine if the spartans were shown to be hypocrites instead of the ultimate role model of greek's society.
Honestly, boy lovers could mean that they dislike a grown man having a twink rather an athlet brother. You can say there is a difference to have a brotherly lover thsn just seeking a male wife.
i wonder if the distinction was that they think Athenians were fricking fem-boys and not other manly men.
Nah. The ancients tended to operate on a "it's not gay if you top" philosophy, so the receiving partner risked being seen as effeminate. Fricking other manly men gets awkward, while fricking younger socially subordinate warriors is peak masculinity.
This is complete historical revisionism and has no actual basis in reality.
Homosexuality was looked down upon. There are several treaties of Athenian law that say that homosexuals were not allowed to participate in political affairs, hold office, or advance past a certain societal class.
This idea of Greece and Rome being boy-fricking paradises is so insanely fricking wrong it baffles the mind.
Were they less homophobic than medieval Europe? Yea. Did they actually practice homosexuality to even remotely as high a degree as people say? Absolutely fricking not.
>There are several treaties of Athenian law that say that homosexuals were not allowed to participate in political affairs, hold office, or advance past a certain societal class.
There are two problems with what you're saying. Firstly, it's an utter fabrication. Second, nobody said anything about "boy-fricking paradises" or "homosexuals" as a distinct social class - pederasty was a fairly complex institution, with societal expectations, laws in place to protect youths, duties to marriage and procreation that were not to be shirked, etc.
When you come in with an unsupported claim that flies in the face of long-established history and primary sources (is Symposium "historical revisionism"?) and a weird claim about buttfricking paradises it suggests an emotional involvement on your part. Could you leave that at the door and maybe provide some actual evidence?
>Cinemaphile - Comics & Cartoons
Those are two comic book writers.
The only sex thing I know about Spartans is that if a woman married an older man the husband would encourage her to have sex with a young man to increase the likelyhood of pregnancy.
Oh no, those poor homos. Thank goodness they have Alan Moore as their champion.
So weird that the ancient enemies of israelites get labelled as pedo homosexuals in the israeli academy. Pure cohencidence I'm sure.
Are israelites in the room with us right now, schizo?
>it's afraid
BOY LOVIN'
HAD ME A BLAST
Here's my favorite Alan Moore quote.
>Spare some change, guv?
300 being Herodotus's Histories, which was fun but very exaggerated bullshit, filtered through the lens of an even harder Spartan propagandist is what makes it great.
It stank. The battle of Thermopylae has already been propagandised heavily, and well. 300 is like a 12 year old boy got hold of that and tried to make it "cooler".
Alan Moore hates anything better than him and he made his career shitting on other people's work instead of making anything original.