There was NO way that they never meant to make Zutara endgame, you can tell me that they chickened out at the end but with all their development together, how can anyone have not expected it?
There was NO way that they never meant to make Zutara endgame, you can tell me that they chickened out at the end but with all their development toget...
cope
It's not about coping or seething, it's simply undeniable that they teased Zutara as if it was a legitimate endgame. Then they laughed in our faces.
In their defense, you lot are incredibly moronic.
>zutaragays still seething
How many years since this show ended? Surely there has been another show with similar characters with a similar dynamic for you guys to latch on to?
Makogays are still in shambles by the fact that Mako was such a shit boyfriend he turned 3 (three) people gay
Mako is implied to be a womanizer so him losing a girl doesnt mean shit
>makogays
Did anyone genuinely like Mako as a character? Im surprised he has fans at all
Men with abusive gfs
well i did see an anon or two shipping him with Lin tbh
literally nobody likes mako, the korrasami hate is for something else
Literally dropped him the second he did Bolin dirty like that. Turning around and doing the same thing to Korra with Asami was just icing on the cake
Literally no idea what Bryke thought they were doing with him
its telling how thats pretty much the only thing he does, he has no character traits beyond that
He was handsome.
He annoyed me in S1 and S2 because he was tied to the shitty romance, in S3 and S4 he was more likeable IMO.
>Korra
>Asami
Who's the third one? That useless earth prince puppet?
The third one is Mako himself since he's clapping earth kingdom twink cheeks
Fire Nation total victory
>Who's the third one?
Look in the mirror.
Yeah but they lost Naruto and Bleach as well
I'm mad about Bleach too, but at least Naruto got it right.
It really didn't. The right pairing happened but it happened the entirely wrong way.
most realized thier tastes were shit when the sequel trilogy bombed.
>all their development together
I think you're conflating their individual development as characters to development of their relationship romantically.
If experiencing hardship together and becoming friends along the way necessarily begets romantic interest then a much stronger argument could be made for Aang and Katara as they went through much more together.
>Enemies to lovers trope
>Noble conqueror prince/noble warrior peasant girl
>fire and water-opposites attract
>Zuko and Katara are similar age
>bond in the southern raiders episode
>fight azula together in the final battle
>crystal cave scene in s2
No way they weren't intended as endgame.
Buddy if you seriously believe that I need you to take a step back and think what the average viewer is seeing. They're not deep diving the million implications of the subtle gestures in whatever scenes you're thinking about.
They see Katara and Zuko interact without ever showing romantic interest in each other.
Then they see Aang and Katara interact with overt romantic interest in each other.
For the vast majority of people Zuko-Katara isn't even on their radar.
By this logic hermione/Malfoy have more clues that they will be together
Seek help schizo
Anon, you know that draco/hermione is an incredibly popular ship, right? I don't have a dog in this race, but women fricking love that shit.
Tropes aren't everything.
Yeah. Their screentime together was about becoming better people, not wanting to frick. The "women and men can't have platonic friendships" belief is a meme.
One hug all of a sudden erases two couples having romantic build up?
Don't forget the literal episode prior Zuko ran into Mai and had all this tension with her, and her entire arc in the show ended by standing up to Azula over how much she loved him.
Mai/Zuko is a dogshit relationship because Mai is a dogshit character: but it isn't unsubstantiated.
Maiko is dog shit because they never gave us a reason to care. They got together off screen and we suppose to just accept them as a couple.
I'm sure because the Beach and the Boiling Rock was supposed to be Mai's whole facade unmasking.
When They have more chemistry than the main couple? Yes
Kataang is a guide to how to NOT build your main couple
That 'chemistry' was no deeper than 'they look hotter together than Katara and Aang.' The rest was self inserting and creating some twilight tier fanfiction romance out of a few scenes.
Yet they still had deeper chemistry then Katara and Aang.
>how to NOT build your main couple
What, with mutual respect and budding attraction? You're right, they really did take that as a guide how not to do it. Just look at KorraxMako.
Blame Bryke for insisting on it. Kataang is a prime example of what happens when you refuse to listen to your characters. They couldn't let go of their initial vision. I firmly believe that if the writing crew had their say it wouldn't have happened.
The creators were Aanggays, as are most of Cinemaphile. They saw themselves in Aang and hated the idea of a bully character like Zuko taking away their waifu Katara, so of course they had Aang win the Katarabowl.
I myself am more pissed that Aang and Toph didn't end up together. Hell, Toph+Sokka or Toph+Zuko were much better ships than Aang+Katara.
I'm not a Zutaragay but I honestly figured that the best ending would've been Aang not getting together with anyone at the end. Maybe some crushes and flirtation here and there but it genuinely felt weird seeing 12 year-old Aang in some epic romance.
I personally thought Zuko and Ty Lee had some nice interactions (on the rare occasions that they had any) but that may just be my "anybody but fricking Mai" attitude towards Zuko's potential pairings.
>it genuinely felt weird seeing 12 year-old Aang in some epic romance
It doesn't help that the voices and character designs make it seem more like Zuko's 18 and Aang's 10.
>Aang played by a child
>Zuko played by a manchild.
My mom once met Zuko's voice actor and she can confirm he's indeed a manchild of the highest caliber
What was your mom doing with him?
She took my sister to a convention and because my sister's a fan of his my mom agreed to let her meet him at the meet and greet but not without her since she knows my sister acts like a hyper tard around those she likes.
Your sis got kind-off a shit taste in men ladP
>Your sis got kind-off a shit taste in men ladP
I know, it's why my mom views her with shame but ultimately still loves her
(Calls her a tard often though)
The VA choices do change the show a lot in some ways.
Katara and Zuko feel a lot older than they actually are because they have adult voices compared to the rest of the cast.
Zuko doesn't have an "adult" voice. Dante Basco sounds terrible
He definitely sounds older than 16.
Azula might have gotten the worst of any character. She genuinely has the voice of a woman in her mid 20s.
>He definitely sounds older than 16
Can't see it, he sounds younger to me. I don't even know why they had him voice 36yo Iroh II
Apparently the guy used his 'natural' voice for Iroh II which turned out into an Bruce Wayne looking dude having the voice of a chubby 16 year old.
Dunno what to say about Dante really, he's been off the radar since 2010 at least
Your posts are physically painful to read. It really boggles my mind how much worse ATLA would have been if Cinemaphile had been in charge. Please never work in any creative field.
what are you talking about you wienersucker
How many people remember that Azula was meant to be 14 when she looks and sounds like an adult woman? More than even 'old voiced' characters like Katara and Zuko.
>but it genuinely felt weird seeing 12 year-old Aang in some epic romance.
But 10 year old Ash should be getting with all the girls he's went on adventures with? Nothing wrong there, carry on
Are you people just women that seethe how anime differs from real life?
I don’t watch Pokemon you gay so this isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
My waifu is Ty Lee though
Ty Lee was built to be a free bawd.
She should never be with one guy.
Dont be a homosexual
>Cinemaphile
>Self-inserting as Aang
You're moronic
>14 is fine but not 12
have a nice day, Zutaragay.
12 and 14 is a massive difference. A 14 year old has hit puberty and typically has a big growth spurt. 12 is still prepubescent.
The number may be the same but not the maturity. This is especially true since Aang acts more like a 10 year old.
Cope.
>12 is still prepubescent
I started feeling the more physical effects of puberty at 9 going on at 10. What 12 year olds are prepubescent???
>why do different people have different experiences?
Anon do you have autism perchance?
12 and being prepubescent isn't the average at all.
Most. 9 year old is like the lowest normal age you can reach puberty at. I started feeling puberty at 12-13 and my younger brother started it at 13-14
>Katarabowl
that makes it sound like she's a bawd being passed around by men of each village she visits.
Zukobowl has a much better nice ring to it
I think it's partly due to the trap a lot of western animation creators fall into where they refuse to progress the main character or main couple because they think it will ruin their marketability.
That's why in a lot of shows (especially Nickelodeon shows) you'll see character/relationship development be teased only to be evaded at the last second by something's a character says or only if the characters are goong to lose their memories or have a time reset by the end of the episode.
Usually they won't feel as worried about letting the supporting characters have bigger, more lasting character arcs or relationship progress because they feel it doesn't mess with "the formula" and/or just makes the supporting cast more interesting/fills space where needed.
The downside being you get a bunch of fans who feel the main love interest fits better with someone who's not the MC or they wind up more interested in watching another character's arc or story. With Avatar another complaint is that Aang was too coddled and so his relationship with Katara comes off more platonic and familial than romantic.
I liked the Aang/Katara pairing but I also see where Zutara is coming from and would've really enjoyed seeing that happen, too. It could've also been really cool to see Aang unexpectedly wind up with Azula, Ty Lee, or Toph, too.
If nothing else leaning into the Zutara ship and creating a love triangle would've also been pretty good for the show because fans love love triangles.
It's definitely not limited to western animation, both western live action and anime are loaded with the same thing. It seems more of a long vs short story thing, where on long running media the writers want to preserve the status quo in order to drag the premise out for as long as possible, while in shorter stuff they can take more risks because it's going to end soon one way or another.
True. I've been wanting to build a list of shows that avoid the status quo is God thing. Even if it's gradually changed over many episodes. I know I've seen a good number of them over the years
Zutara was the money pairing, Kataanng was the happy ending pairing
Katara had a type and it clearly wasn't Aang, she liked homies with hair and grey area morals she could "fix", i dont buy her ever seeing Aang as more than lil bro even if she did save the world, the writers fricked up and created a legendary shipping war the moment they introduced Jet, fans simply were not able to seriously buy into Kataang after that debacle
>Zutara was the money pairing, Kataanng was the happy ending pairing
And Zuki is the NTR ending pairing.
Heh, nice edit anon
I dont get it
Apart from being his escort, she became the FireLord's geisha-maid
Boobs and body
I haven’t read the comics but is Sokka not in them? I thought he and Suki were endgame. But after Korra’s s2 backstory of the gaang showing Sokka being killed off screen and never mentioned again I assume it started from these comics
Sokka kind-off just fricked off to be some sort of council on Korra meanwhile Suki has been on the Fire Palace since few months after the war finished at least.
ruined by azula going full moron tbh
It's a bit of a long story
In an alternante universe, aang only cares about saving his race and discovers that Ty Lee has airbending genes in her.
They frick like bunnies to save the airbending race, the end.
That's really inefficient. Thankfully she's has 6 identical sisters.
>Restoring your lost race/tribe by having orgies with with Septuplets year after year.
Aang is so fricking lucky.
I think Toph and Aang also make way more sense. Katara seemed like the sort of girl that would want to settle down while Toph had wanderlust that paired well with Aang's nomadic nature. Yeah they butted heads early on but I thought Aang and Toph had good chemistry together.
Would have preferred for Zuko to get with Jin though.
Zuko seems to fit well with earth girls
>Toph
>Jin
>Suki
>Song
Damn
Finally someone doesnt forget Song
Hopefully Zuko didn’t
It's to Christmas colour combo, you can't really go wrong with complementary colours unless it's garish. And actually I think thats what they tried with kataang, it just didn't work because reasons
Zuko/Poppy is a favorite of mine.
there certainly something be poppin' there all right
do you have the one with Mai's mom mogging Mai?
heh
she looks great with those
The only guy I've seen on this site which self-inserts as Aang is constantly talking about how Katara cucks him with Sokka and each relative of his tribe
Average Aanggay
People like that is why I keep on saying that gangbangs are a subhuman tier fetish
Most sane avatard
?
That's just probably Brian tbh
???
Isnt the goal to make everyone privileged?
>Fellow white people
>His surname is Konietzko
I just.. Who can take this person seriously?
Why are they all like this
Leftism is a mental disorder
Trump will lose again next year.
Nobody mentioned trump here, troony
Picturing Aang saying 'fellow white people' because of that pfp is fricking hilarious.
>before Korra
Normal looking dude
>after Korra
Middle age life crisis white Snoop Dog
On a serious note though, doesnt he know that slavs were enslaved by centuries as well? Going by his surname and all.
The only history he cares about is 1920s New York, obviously
>Zuko
>Bully character
He's like the most bullied character on the show
yeah like he looks like a massive moron outside of like 4 moments across the first 2 seasons, he's good with his swords, can sneak around and fire bend better than most people so he's no slouch but he gets his ass beat in embarrassing fashion like a million times.
all his emo moments in the early seasons were hilarious
the difference between zuko and aang is that is clear that zuko has to constantly fight against his capability for cruelty and violence, which coupled with his power growth makes him more and more dangerous as the time goes on especially with his violent tendencies persisting, meaning that as he learns to control his emotions better his "badboy with a troubled" past factors stays high
meanwhile aang already starts with the godlike power but any danger factor that would bring is diminished quickly, since 1 - it isnt triggered much and 2 - he learns ways to control, and sice he is a goody two shoes that just makes it lame
so in short as the time goes on zuko becomes more attractive and while aang becomes less
and ofc in the end zuko actually overpowers his designated antagonist, only to sacrifice his victory to save katara - while aang gets clowned on by ozai until he hits the rock and his power mod switches on, but it doesnt really feel like he did it himself
so the feeling of aang getting bullied by zuko comes from the fact that zuko simply mogs aang in the eyes of women
plus zuko gets bonus point for actually feeling like a hero that rises from a low point up to the heavens, instead of a kid that gets thing handed down to him
So basically you just like "bad boys" or your weird internalized idea of them, right?
women like bad boys, get over it
You have even less of an idea of what women like than you do of what an actual "bad boy" is.
anon, book Sandor Clegane is massively popular for a reason, and Zuko is a watered down version of him
Plus Zuko the villain is the struggle non-talent who has to work hard just to keep up and compete is main rival of the prodigy wonderkin lead hero Aang, who is mega talented and has everything come naturally to them. Zuko has wealth and titles and isn't happy. Aang owns few possessions and no money but generally is always happy.
toph and zuko was never ever gonna happen, he's oldest in the Aang Gang and she's the second youngest and they barely ever interact she just has a crush on him. he literally never pays her any mind
I thought Aang and the fortune teller girl who called Katara a Floozy, or fire nation dancer girl were best endgame and chemistry for Aang.
It always came across as enemies turned friends. There was no romantic tension. The problem was that there was barely any romance between Aang and Katara but it was still more than what was between Zuko and Katara.
>all their development together
That she forgives him and then they're barely friends who barely interact? All that "shared" development?
Zutara had to die so Azuzu could live
Bryke forced Mai onto Zuko because Bryke was asshurt about Zutaras popularity. Mai represented everything Zuko was against and made him a bigger simp their romance is still fricking cringe and random.
This is a fact Azula is hotter than Katara anyway
God, I hate Mai. b***hed about being oppressed as a noble kid but had no problem ordering around servants.
Also her “oppressive” parents let her run around throwing knives and shit. Mai a shit. Jin, Suki, Song, Toph, Ty-Lee, Azula. All better options
She also cucked Zuko kek
she didn't - but she goes full woman moment in the comics
>Mai breaks up with Zuko in the middle of his suicidal depression (that he fell into inexplicably during the two weeks separating the first comic from the show) and then leaves
>some time later she picks up a terrorist simp (who turns out to be a good person and truly in love with her) in an attempt to make Zuko jealous
>furious she explicitly tells Zuko that she is mad at him and trying to make him want her back, this doest go anywhere
>in the end she breaks up with the simp leaving him crying
so yeah
Every part of that comic that wasn't art of Azula was stupid as hell.
then Suki swooped in to make her move
that comic was bizarre
Look I get that Mai is a donkey-faced ugly b***h who just makes Zuko's issues worse, but no, Zutara isn't a solution to it.
Mai broke up with Zuko and cucked him. To this day we still do not know who Izumi's mother is.
Let's not kid ourselves, Bryke has it as Mai.
Isnt Izumi voiced by grey?
No she'd voiced by April Stewart. Wendy from South Park. They sound nothing alike
Ah just wondered, I had readed it somewhere and thought it'd be weird that she'd had a return to the series without much 'hype'
I've never really seen more than two episodes from South Park so I really cant tell who that is
Mai is also super nice to Aang like her spirit lights up whenever he's present. Zuko only has his looks while Iroh and Aang got charisma in spades
While technically true. like c'mon! Look at her
It's Mai. 100%
Even if we ignore the cut flashback that makes it explicit, the woman was clearly designed to be Mai's daughter and there's really no other option
She has no earth kingdom features so Jin's out of the running (plus the obvious fact that the new firelord taking an earth kingdom girl won't look good, even during the time of peace)'
Same applies to Katara, plus the fact she and Aang clearly stuck together his whole life, well after Izumi was born
She looks nothing like Ty Lee (plus there's the actually pretty likely theory that Pema's her kid, implying she either wed or just got knocked up at some point) so she's out
Suki's very much still with Sokka and her being assigned to guard him very much isn't gonna change that (plus we already know the names of one of Toph's baby daddies and it's implied he's a random hookup, so it's probably safe to assume Suyin's is similar since we have no information that conflicts it, so her and Sokka likely never actually got together unless Suki died young) so she's out of the running.
The only way I'd realistically see Bryke allow the Fire Nation nobility to be inbred would be through distant relative/cousin marriages (like royals usually did in real life) and would never allow a full sibling relationship at all, so Azula's out of the running
While it is true that Zuko could've married another high nobility girl from the Fire Nation, we don't know any more and from a narrative perspective it's unsatisfying to have one of the most important character in the series marry some random noble girl rather than his established love interest
Again, while technically we don't know, from a narrative perspective, design wise, and using simple logic, it's quite literally 100% a given that Izumi is Mai's kid and there's no competition
Katana keeps throwing Aang a bone every few episodes, and Aang is all puppy eyes with her.
Meanwhile Katara takes pity on zuko once or twice and done.
Indeed, cope. Your fantasy is not reality.
>Katana keeps throwing Aang a bone every few episodes
True Romance!
That's just how women are in general, anon
>katara will surely abandon the literal demigod she's been traveling with for years, who saved the entire world from an attempted genocide of all non-fire benders, for a guy who made nearly succesful attempts to destroy the remnants of her tribe and its stronger counterpart in the north because he's closer to her age
I have never and will never understand this take, I don't care that Zuko becomes a good guy and rejects Fire Nation doctrine
>because he's closer to her age
He's not, they have the same age difference.
Ask me how I know you understand about real women. The girls going along with the enemy tribe that conquered their own tribe's inferior men has been done throughout most of human history. There is no better indicator of how the woman knows that she got herself the best mate possible between a foreign invader and her own tribesmen.
*understanding nothing
Gay.
>Katara becoming a princess for a nation that killed her people
>Zuko abandoning his royal position and kind to chill in an igloo with tribal snow people
They may have had feelings for each other but their relationship would not be feasible.
Mai was created to be his girlfriend you dumb anon.
Everything was planned from the beginning.
Except for Suki. She was so popular as a one off character that they let her become Sokka’s girlfriend.
>She was so popular as a one off character that they let her become Sokka’s girlfriend.
I don't believe this. They got to second base every time they met. Maybe bringing her back in S3 was by popular demand: but S2 doesn't work without the Kyoshi Warriors being near Ba Sing Se for Ozai's Angels to take out and trojan their way into the city.
By S3 her only role is being 'Sokkas girl' but before that I'd say they were pretty established
He was literally gonna kill her people, wtf is wrong with women?
women get really wet if you defeat their armies in battle and take them as concubines and force them to serve you
Why doed this always guaranteed replies?
Has*
Fricks sake's,my internet is fricking slow
people cant seem to fathom why zutara had such appeal
Does zutarians support this
I havent watched zootopia since it's release like seven or eight years ago but doesnt that wolf just appear for like a minute and a half?
More than enough to get a ridiculous amount of art.
That's not very surprising really
He has two scenes the first one as kids where he beats her up and the second as adults where he apologizes
sounds like zutara
That man is shipping Zutara!
>Well, let's hope he never gets a job as a writer for the franchise
Kek
chuckled
>all their development together
>in the 2nd to last episode before the finale.
The creators literally added all those zutara moments because they became aware of how moronic shippers get over this shit. Same reason they had Toph clutching Sokka's arm whenever the team was flying. Ya got duped. Get over it.
The creators literally shit all over them with that season 4 joke video and most Zutarians still refuse to let go.
I still don't understand why they had to stick Zuko with Mai. She barely had a personality and in the comics she literally cucks him.
They could have at least given him Ty Lee or something tbh
I love Ty Lee but pairing her with Zuko would be so much fricking worse. Especially as a secondary final matchup. That would literally be "girl and boy that were adjacent to each other".
Well he did get Suki
Yeh fair
I still never understood why Suki, out of all people, became Zuko’s confidant
>I need someone I can trust to watch my back
>yeah let me get some warriors from a place I burned down that probably got more important earth kingdom shit to do
it's because the only person who is an actual character in the comics is zuko, trouble is they also write him like shit
>>I need someone I can trust to watch my back
>yeah let me get some warriors from a place I burned down that probably got more important earth kingdom shit to do
Pretty sure his logic on that was since there was a conspiracy to dethrone him in favor of restoring Ozai, and he didn't know which palace officials/troops to trust, he went with foreigners who would hate Ozai becoming the Fire Lord again. That they were led by a sort of friend made it safer as well.
It's not a bad scheme. The Varangians were born from a similar idea.
Suki never had any personality to begin with so she was easy to shove in to serve the role nobody else was fit for because they were supposed to be on Aang's side.
tight pussy
Zuko was pretty socially moronic.
She's the throat GOAT
Based and true
With those LIPS if she wasnt, it'd be a waste tbf.
Its weird as hell. Zuko goes through a break up and suddenly shes there for him.
Zuki is a worse version of Zutara
Which still makes it pretty great.
People might say their incompatible but that's what makes it interesting. Different personalities but simliar traumas. Way better than Maiko.
It shoulda been canon
It is if you ignore korra. Head Canon, that is
Age difference makes it fricking cringe.
Zutara gays should stung up and nailed to the cross.
Avatar shipwars are worse than the literal war in the show. It's so petty, unjust and divided especially with the creators self inserting Aang. Ive heard it's ruthless on tumblr but I've never seen screenshots or stories
I personally disagree with the endgame/canon couples myself
>the creators self inserting Aang.
they sef-insert in sokka, almost all the girls had the hot for him even when he was nothing but a clown
Cope
how is that a cope?
Sokka-gays can't stop coping, especially since Yue and Suki got SCORCHED
Penis hair
That joke only works with her movie self
but girls love clowns
Yeah, Sokka was the favorite of the writers.
The classic 'normal dude who is on par with the superheroes' type that is always wanked off.
Ever heard of live journal?
I like it. It gave a lot of opinions in what makes certain ships popular
I honestly don't know what the frick they were thinking with any of the romance. Specifically when it comes to Aang and Katara, I think that was their initial plan, with Aang being shown to like Katara since season 1. Then, they threw in wedges like Jet and Zuko as potential love rivals for Katara. This in itself is not a problem, but where they fricked up, was that Aang didn't really prove himself as a better partner than either of them, the bad boys just kinda screwed up their own bonds with Katara, so Aang and Katara in the endgame kinda has nothing going for it.
Even when Katara says she's confused, Aang isn't very convincing to make a point that he's the right guy for her. It's not like there weren't any moments between them throughout the show, it's just that the development to bring them together in the end was very passive.
I don't think I need to mention much about Zuko's side of the story. Gets paired up with WORST GIRL, the one with the least romantic scenes, and her character also doesn't really help Zuko with his issues.
With that and the Korra shit, the shipping is absolutely the worst part of the fanbase, because the shipping is the worst part of the shows. It's just fighting over garbage writing and character development.
>This in itself is not a problem, but where they fricked up, was that Aang didn't really prove himself as a better partner than either of them, the bad boys just kinda screwed up their own bonds
Yeah, this is exactly what should NEVER be done with Nice Guy type of heroes
Go back to reddi.t
homie it is the year 2023 get over it already.
no
Cope.
Zuko is for his sister only.
Females literally lock onto any conventionally attractive male character if he threatens, manhandles, and pursues them. I think they didn’t really put enough effort into making sure the tense scenes were repulsive enough to prevent the touch starved from latching onto them and projecting romance where it shouldn’t be.
Aang knocked her up thrice and that will always be canon.
> two characters hug
> AAAAAH THEY HAVE TO BE FRICKING!!!!!!!!!!
Zutara should have been!
he got cucked by the chad aang
crispy face should've tried a little harder
Dunno but that ntr porn comic where he knocks the girl up is F-I-N-E
Always wanted to see Katara carrying up a nice pair of tiddies while wearing her celebration outfit
You cant jus say that without givin sauce or a name
https://e-hentai.org/g/2573257/aa2e7fdd3a/
Being honest with ya, I certainly WOULD have been excited for this a decade ago but now? I understand the idea of exploring what happened after the comet since there's a 90 year gap between it and Korra yet knowing the shitty ending these characters got, I dont see the point anymore.
The clear solution is reboot the mistake Korra was but I feel the creators egos will insist on trying to make her good which is something that wont happen.
>https://e-hentai.org/g/2573257/aa2e7fdd3a/
that is some proper fire dickdown
Vivian really knows how to draw sexy girls
He nails their faces quite well, I'll give him that
the fat chocolate milkers are amazing too
frick yeah
>filename
Didnt that story had a "sex scene" where Zuko knocks her up?
Nice milkers btw, Katara genuinely rocks that outfit
i member mai trying to kill her
also nice get
Say what you want about that shitty comic but I believe Mai is the character that stays the most true to her self
why the NTR thing?
is there a HoAD for zutara?
>Katara shows no attraction to Zuko
>Zuko shows no attraction to Katara
>”No, it’s meant to be! Zutara should be canon!”
You people are delusional.
Zuzu. Belongs to his sister
you seriously can't tell me she wasn't DTF right here
Katara is for her own relatives (and her tribe by extension)
Looks surprisingly comfy
It is
Kys
Didnt Sokka tell Katara he viewed her as a mother figure at one point? Imagine that evolving into some "mother and son" incest shit
Hot
why would Zuko do that if his sister is so much better?
A lot of the good character writing was done by Aaron Ehaosz and his wife. Every time you see an interview from Bryke on the characters they are just completely clueless. At best, they like exploring characters but can never really commit to them being something different than their first impression. This is why in their minds, Azula was always a bad guy (they were torn on her writing during production and have only changed their minds after she became more popular) and this is why they are genuinely baffled at why people like Zutara. In Bryke’s minds Kataang was always going to happen, which is why it didn’t need any build up or effort, it just WAS, and they genuinely can’t fathom why people like Zutara. And they had that one interview where they said they saw themselves as Aang and Zuko as the bad boy chad that stole the girl Lmao
At the end of the day the problem is that Bryke are really mediocre writers who didn’t put as much effort into characters as Ehaosz did, which is why all the characters in Korra were mediocre. They would have definitely stuck with Mako and Korra if they hadn’t been been universally unpopular as opposed to Katara’s/Zutaang whcih was evenly split even in the writers rooms
>This is why in their minds, Azula was always a bad guy
Azula was always a bad guy.
Are you fricking moronic on purpose? The point I was trying to make was that the writers room, which was divided between Bryke and Ehaosz, was just as divided on Kataang/Zutara as they were Azula. Bryke never really had a further concept in mind for Azula since they are aggressively mediocre at creating villain characters; Their original ideas involved Azula being Zuko’s evil younger brother and Iroh being evil. The point I’m trying to make is that Azula in their minds was NEVER supposed to be more then that, Ehaosz tried to give her depth and he later said he wanted to write redemption for in book four, but I do not think Bryke
Would have. That’s why Azula feels extremely inconsistent and why people are still arguing years later because there are essentially two Azula’s that are incompatible with each other. The same logic that applies to Bryke genuinely not believing Azula would be popular or intending for her to be is the same logic that shows why they can’t fathom Zutara, they just deeply struggle with beliefs and ideas that aren’t their own, unless they wind up being successful and popular then they try taking credit for it
>are you fricking moronic on purpose?
Well, we're on Cinemaphile arent we?
She was Zuko's love interest.
as she should be
Only correct takes in the whole thread
Kys incest freak
Cope. Also it's 'have a nice day', you tumblrina prostitute.
I like this guy but he’s insane if he thinks Azula as written could have had a redemption arc. Longer and more complicated than Zuko’s? This show had one book left at best, Zuko needed three, and the first two were focused on Zuko, who was already a deeply conflicted man, breaking from his abusive family and his redemption was in the last ten episodes and he helped overthrow the Fire Nation. What the frick was Azula supposed to do in one book without an enemy to defeat or without her having an arc like Zuko’s? Azula never really internalized that the Fire Nation was wrong the way Zuko did, she enjoys her power and cruelty and that’s hard to get rid of especially in at best one book when she’s consistently been a villain for so long
by the time he has to save her ass before Katara hands it to her, it becomes obvious that Zuko is about to catch up to Azula and his power growth shows no signs of stopping
we see that in subsequent fights
later during their last duel, Azula basically lets herself be possessed by all the things that power up her "dark side" fire bending and yet Zuko is still clearly stronger
and then he pulls Luke Skywalker and rejects the chance to claim a miningless victory to save a life - proving that the world view she followed since childhood to be one big lie, since you dont have to be a c**t to achieve big gains in fire banding
so after she was slapped in the face with proof that she was wrong her change of heart could happen faster than Zuko's
especially if you don't shy away from the incestual undertones between the siblings
I do agree with this. Azula is at her absolute lowest. This is the best time to have her be completely humbled to the point it literally rewrites her brain chemistry and worldview. The problem is that, with the limited amount of time we have, Azula needs to be as humbled as soon as possible and accept this - when she’s imprisoned after this fight, she needs to come to this conclusion naturally. When she is released back into the real world, she needs to be this neurotic wreck - so throughly broken and defeated she’s scared of her own shadow, literally traumatized and recovering restructuring her psyche. She needs to let go of ALL her evil ness. The problem is that in the comics and all other fanfic crap they never make Azula let go of her Azula-ness. She is essentially still a psychopath, who genuinely struggled with empathy because she can’t feel it, and when you have someone who doesn’t understand or even comprehend why she’s wrong, how can you redeem her? This is the fundamental problem with Asuka - Bryke I think always intended for her to be this pure evil psychopath (which is why when they wrote her in the comics she sucks becusse she’s just the same shitty character without Aaron Ehaosz to give her depth)
from the top of my head:
>after she recovers from the brief emotional breakdown, Azula, being smart, realises that Zuko is more powerful and has to begrudgingly accept that her world view was wrong
>she agrees to work to help Zuko run Fire Nation from her house arrest as a form of repentance, where she is also exposed to Zuko's kindness
>some kind of crisis triggers a response from Zuko that makes Azula think that maybe Zuko was pretending to be good, but really deep down he is similar to his father
>she tries to push him in that direction, to retroactively prove that she was not wrong to believe in the fire nation narrative
>in the end it turns out that Zuko may be violent and brutish, but he is not evil - at the same time Zuko realizes, that if he doesnt want to use force as his only tool of coercion he needs Azula and her schemes
>Azula gets comfortable in her new role as Zuko's right hand, but then something happens to her, she gets kidnapped and gets her arm chop off or something, which makes Zuko flip
>seeing Zuko go full ol'Kratos mode make Azula realise that she prefers that usual strong but caring Zuko to this Ozai 2.0
>she now has to complete her arc by making an argument against her old world view and calm Zuko down
You could do a personal journey, basically just show us what Iroh ended up doing post kid death but from an even greater uphill battle with Azula. She escapes prison or is broken out by loyalists that she immediately flips out on ending up with her being alone and hunted with no money to her name while battling everything in her head and the fact that her life completely fell apart. She'd have to depend on other peasant communities to survive. She couldn't just start throwing fire because then the avatar is on her ass and she knows she can't win that fight. You wouldn't even need to fully finish it you could just end it on her being "on the right path" by the end. You wouldn't even need her back in the palace permanently or anything.
Zuko never comes close to being on Azula's level.
He catches her at her most sloppy while at his own sharpest and can barely keep up.
Yeah, I don't know what the deal is with zukogays ignoring that Azula was literally having a mental breakdown. Zuko only takes her on 1-on-1 because of that.
or because every time they fought since he learned the proper way of firebending he was able to keep pace with her? Boiling Rock, on par. Western Air Temple, on par. It's flat out untrue to pretend he wasn't equal to her by the end, or at worst slightly weaker. Especially since if she had tried to shoot him with lightning, she would have flat out died.
Zuko himself didn't think he was good enough to win on his own. He improved for sure, but it would be pretty silly if he was able to completely narrow the skill gap in that short a time.
I have bad news, anon
Azula is NOT going to step on you, no matter how hard you simp for her, for two reasons:
1) she doesn't like weak men
and more importantly, and I am sorry to say that
2) she is not real
but back to the topic at hand
>He improved for sure, but it would be pretty silly if he was able to completely narrow the skill gap in that short a time.
except that exactly what happens in the show, he is constantly improving at a stupendous rate, even creating multiple new bending techniques along the way - which alongside his drive and will, compensate for the fact that as a person he is lacking in other aspects
also using Zuko's own opinions on that matter is a weak argument since he had previously been wrong on many occasions, like when he had thought that Azula was a mary sue, when he gave a knife to a little kid for self-defence or when he thought his biological father loved him
>compensate for the fact that as a person he is lacking in other aspects
You've got this the wrong way around. He is not as strong a bender but he becomes a much stronger, better person overall, which is what ultimately "wins" out over Azula. She fell deeper into her insecurity-driven power obsession, pushing away those closest to her and going insane. Zuko turns up to the duel, calmer and wiser, having let go of his need to please his father, and with an enemy-turned-ally beside him. Yes, he became a better bender as a result of these things, but I don't believe he was at Azula's level in terms of raw skill 1) because the characters tell us as much, and 2) it would be really stupid if he could catch up to a supposed generational prodigy in a few months. Also emphasising this element of his character progression misses the forest for the trees. Zuko's character arc is not about him becoming a stronger bender, that's just a by-product of his personal growth.
Yo nice breakdance
yeah Zuko had an unique style of fire bending composed of techniques he created himself
15 years and your brain is still rotting
You c**ts have been doing this for fifteen years.
Fifteen years.
Avatar needs their own version of 3.0+1.0. Just so everyone can shut up, and move on.
Well, that live-action series is still happening. Maybe it'll be so bad it makes Korra season 2 look good in comparison and everyone can move on from this zombie franchise.
Nice digits fren
Or it could to be terrible but popular among normies, re-writing everything about the original avatar.
this picture makes me feel really uncomfortable
Get used to it, AI is the future
>but with all their development together
They had one episode about their dynamic.
If Zuko and Toph had their own episode together like he did with the rest of the gaang, how would it go?
actually it would fit better after the final
Toph announces to her parents that she will start her own school and tech people metal bending
turns out its hard to teach people how to see with a sense they dont have so it flops
she moves to fire nation and helps Zuko with his bullshit for a while
at one point they have a chat and Zuko points out that Toph doesnt have to fear that her parents will be ashamed of her failure or that they will keep treating her as a child, and he offers to go on a trip with her to sort it all out, clearly needing a break himself
on the way there Toph notices that Zuko is susing techniques either based on, or straight up borrowed from other elements, except from earth
she decided to teach Zuko some earth ending esque techniques
Toph's parents are impressed by her being on first name basis with the fire lord, but what they really focus on is Tophs well-being, still with Zuko's help they are convinced to hand her some responsibilities in their city
showing the growth she went through Toph, with Zuko's help, handles it well until something goes really bad and Zuko has to step in
and either feeling him fight and/or during the discussion after wards Toph figures out a way she thinks will let her teach Zuko a new earth like technique
it doesn't quite work, but as a result Zuko with Tophs help rediscovers lava banding - by technicality making Toph a master of two elements
as the result of the whole thing Toph's parents finally admit that their girl is all grown up, and Toph finds new motivation to try and tech metal bending
Zuko offers to set a school for her in the fire nation territories on the eastern continent, but she choses to return with him to the mess they left at fire nation's capital and set up shop there
there are better ways of using your autism , friend
That's pretty cool. I may "burrow" some of that for my own fanfic.
sounds interesting
Zuko knows firebending and can teach it to Aang, at least that's the idea knows about the ancient history of the Fire Nation, and might be able to re-learn it. Zuko knows about the administration of the Fire Nation. So he knows about the Boiling Rock and that he's likely to find Hakota there. He knows military of the Fire Nation, and is more skilled than the entire Gaang at clandestinely working against it so once he hears about Katara's trauma he can... assist in murder.
Toph doesn't have baggage Zuko can cure and Toph was the bridge that accepted Zuko mostly due to the least amount of hostility between them and a lot bit of Iroh.
The thing they have most in common is parental issues. Zuko is the president of that club. No way I'd pitch having them run into Ursa. Also the Runaway already touched on her feelings of guilt over her parents.
Honestly the only thing I can think of Zuko helping Toph with is doing something with Shi Fu and Yu. But Toph, alone already beat the two of them and may have killed them through deprivation. The two may plausibly be bringing a reply to the letter Toph sent but every reasonable situation has already been used. Having those two be the ones to track the Gaang to the Western Air Temple first would be incredible. Having them be captured and need a prison break to have the message delivered is too much like TBR. Having them recognize a traditional Earth Kingdom lullaby Toph had sung to her while they're out getting groceries would be a heavy bridge.
Really if I had to insert an episode without rewriting more of S3 to do it: I probably would have it be a futile attempt to find Iroh. Maybe the crowned Prince had an estate somewhere in the countryside and Zuko and Toph go looking for clues. Uncover a chapter in Iroh's life neither of them knew.
It was a second thought, girls like it because it was a second thought and not what they were "told" to like.
Its been more than a decade, my guy
>fire nation kills kataras mother
>fire nation completely wipes every single water bender from her entire tribe
>due to that, at the start of the series, she and sokka are so divorced from her own culture that sokka calls her waterbending magic
>the fire nation also forces her dad to abandon her and go to war, meaning she never gets a proper family life
>the only time she ever meets another southern waterbender, the person in question has been warped by years of torture
>as a result, the only true southern water bending heritage katara will ever recieve in her entire life is a demonic, cruel bending that was only created because of the fire nation
>people think katara likes bad boys like jet but she only liked him because he fricking hated the fire nation
>in a similar vein, she only was willing to show Zuko kindness in the cave because he stated that the fire nation took away his mother too so she thought he was a race traitor and thus gained her trust
>as a direct result of trusting a fire bender even once aang gets fricking killed and only saved because of magic spirit water
>btw she only got the magic spirit water after watching a fire bender kill the literal spirit of her people and culture, which resulted in the death of a young water tribe princess who wasn't even an adult yet
>all of this was recent for katara in the context of the series, took place over 1 year so all these events are fresh in her mind
>despite all this, people want her to be with the prince of the nation, become the princess of it, and eventually pop out fire bending babies all while dealing with fire nation on a regular basis
Zutara shippers are fricking delusional. Katara is by far the most racist person to the fire nation in the series. That ship doesn't work on a fundamental level
Aint reading allat :skull:
Man, it is borderline miraculous Katara even accepted Zuko at all when you put it in that way.
>due to that, at the start of the series, she and sokka are so divorced from her own culture that sokka calls her waterbending magic
>the only time she ever meets another southern waterbender, the person in question has been warped by years of torture
>as a result, the only true southern water bending heritage katara will ever recieve in her entire life is a demonic, cruel bending that was only created because of the fire nation
These ones hit hard, there will never be true southern waterbenders again except for bloodbenders
I'd assume there's records of it or people who are familiar with it in the northern tribe but the legit masters all being gone would suck.
>there will never be true southern water tribe waterbenders again
Hobestly that's also a point in Kataangs favor of you think about it. Both of them are the last of their people. That's something that could have been explored more in the show
Aang being the last airbender is dumb. You telling me every airbender but Aang was at the Air temple? And that the all Air temples had a 100% kill ratio?
The fire nation had 100 years to hunt the rest of any stragglers that made it out of the temples
As airbenders they should be god tier at evading and hiding.
I'm just asking questions here, like am I supposed to ignore the fact those arrowheads call themselves the air nomads? Nomads as in people who don't believe in having one home?
>like am I supposed to ignore the fact those arrowheads call themselves the air nomads? Nomads as in people who don't believe in having one home?
bryke are terrible at world building
most of the more interesting airbender lore comes from the trading card game where they mentioned individual airbenders who survived the purge or even helped the Fire Nation commit the genocide. I fully sibscribe to the fanon that hidden sects of Air Nation people existed that assimilated with the surrounding cultures and that Ty Lee just might be proof of that.
>where they mentioned individual airbenders who survived the purge or even helped the Fire Nation commit the genocide.
Wait what?
Yeah the trading crad games tells us that this guy right here is the guy who sold out the location of the southern air temple.
Doesnt he get snuffed out either way?
Nice theory, but its one thing to say that Air Nomads fled and assimilated into the surrounding cultures, and to say that a clan of Air Nomads, who were being genocided by the Fire Nation, went all the way to the Fire Nation and assimilated/intermarried into them and then a couple decades later they are so high up the totem pole that their daughter is a playmate of the royal family and they are essentially nobles.
>went all the way to the Fire Nation and assimilated/intermarried into them and then a couple decades later they are so high up the totem pole that their daughter is a playmate of the royal family and they are essentially nobles
>went
anon, have you ever heard of war brides?
a war bride and her family getting that high in society is a bit much, if Ty Lee had an ancestor who was the concubine of a noble then yeah I suppose. Thing is as per this posts
Ty Lee wouldve inherited some of Air Nomad culture and thats not usually a privilege granted to war brides
She was a playmate for Azula and Mai since they were toddlers, no way shes an average commoner. Shes either from a noble family or a wealthy family
I picture it more like how during the spainish inquisition you had israeli converts who still adhere to Judaism in secrecy.
He did but his existence comes from the fact that there's a lot of untouched ground with the airbenders that people want naturally filled in.
I mean, it's something "everyone" on this board has seen a few times but I doubt people know about some obscure card game fifteen years ago.
Though since we're on the subject I did know a few obscure video game characters, used to play the PS2 game.
Never completed it btw, my 4 IQ kid ass was only able to complete Vice City from games of that console.
I guess I was talking more from the perspective of writers and artist assigned to the task of coming up with more lore.
imagine being a young fire nation nobleman, covered in blood and ash of air benders
you corner a cutq air nomad girl in a dark room, stepping over still smoking corpses of her parents
and, as you press her against the wall and lick the tears off her face, you tell her that you will spare her life if she shows you just how much she doesnt want to die
I see it more of a long standing tradition of intermingling of cultures, the western air temple is in the fire nation.
yeah well, but war rape is hotter
No disagreement there.
I've seen this post a couple of threads ago where an anon suggested Ty-Lee being into raceplay and thus putting on her Kyoshi makeup or her air acolyte outfit from her grandma to frick with the Firelord, lol.
bitches love Zuko
>I picture it more like how during the spainish inquisition you had israeli converts who still adhere to Judaism in secrecy.
I suppose so, I guess this theory works if some fire nation commander brought back a harem of air nomad girls with him and they passed on their traditions and cultures to the children they bore for him
Don't let the Nun part fool you, women Air Nomads are a bunch of free love bawds who can easily be kept by the right smoldering Fire Nobility.
Ty Lee isn't a noble, she is just Azula's friend.
Ok so I'm reaching here but the RPG canon did make it canon that internation marriages was a thing for the air nomads so it maybe a stretch but it's just the inch I need to say that Ty Lee's family could had air nation blood but was one of the "good ones" and had their beliefs become coded to auras and acrobatics.
Why the hell is this "Refugees fled" thing? It's a significant point in canon that Aang and other airbenders traveled the fricking world. Aang has friends all over the world. He's learned about the beasts of the world firsthand, made friends in every nation, learned how to dance in ballrooms in the firenation... But no, the adherents of the element of freedom never fell in love and left the air temple, or even just had a fling.
It's like somebody mentioned earlier how they had a simple idea and wouldn't budge away from it even when other people find more complex and compelling concepts branching off.
Call me an anti-aangite if you like but the white lotus secret society did exist and who plays Pai sho a lot? Airbender monks.
The temples are stationary, but the people move about. Also, nomads frequently just move over the same area to follow animals/seasonal weather. They'll typically keep the same sites in use year after year.
But that's the thing though, if these nomads are always on the move then they should have a strong chance of surviving up to Aang being freed from the iceberg.
If you always move around the same places years after years, it's pretty easy to intercept you.
Well what if you can move like the wind and cover vast distances?
That doesn't really matter because they'll know where you'll be and when because that's where you've been at this time every year for generations.
Shirshu
Anon, that's too many words. They look cute together.
How racist do you think old lady Katara is like with the Fire Nation?
Katara is by far the most racist person to the fire nation in the serie-
She is actually racist to everybody and the worst person in the serie (if you doesn't count to the badguys) :
>she hates her brother in the first episode because he only play with the kids, even when it's obvious the tribe babysitter.
>She only care about aang because it's a way to have what she wants.
>she doesn't care about steal.
>she doesn't respect authority
>she and the gaang left a guy to die under earth.
>etc.
.
You're stupid with the first two points, latter two points are based and positives for her character
And last point is fricking stupid, that guy didn't want help, he probably wouldn't have accepted help and even if they still forced him to come with them then they would've died too
Hell he might not have even died
(you) completely changed my perspective on Katara with this post
(You) have no idea how women work
Neither do you if you find anything wrong with what he said
She might sleep with him later down the line if both are separated at the time, it would probably be really hot, then they'd never do it or speak about it again. Also the other anon is right, there's a zero percent chance Katara of all people has the patience or want to deal with fire nation politics every day when she could be a living hero in her own tribe that she could also be helping rebuild.
I feel the Painted Lady completely and utterly refutes everything you and the other are trying to say.
She cares about people, but the patience to deal with fire nation nobles and sages and councils and palace life in general as a water tribe person would drive her insane, especially when she could be putting her attention towards helping her own people rebuild.
It would drive Zuko insane too which is why for zome zutara fans Katara being the fire lady makes a lot of sense. Both the Fire nation and Water Tribes need to rebuild nearly from the groundup and it just feels right that Zuko and Katara would do that together.
I can see the vision, but ultimately it'd have to happen later in life, immediately after the show would be insane and receive crazy backlash from all sides. Shit doesn't work out with their own partners and they're in their late 20s meeting again after the immediate aftermath of the war has somewhat been dealt with? Sure, at that point there's probably been some water tribe people fire nation people accept and the water tribes might not hate the fire nation as much plus they'd have rebuilt a fair bit. Still wouldn't be accepted as much but it wouldn't be "this might start a civil war/international incident" tier.
you clearly are not women
>it just feels right that Zuko and Katara would do that together.
How? Would you say the same for people from China and Japan after WW2? That one would say "hey I know you guys raped, pillaged, and murdered millions, but you guys are fricked up too, so we're in this together"?
>Would you say the same for people from China and Japan after WW2?
I wouldn't because they're not the same thing.
It's similar enough to be comparable.
She might help out the citizenry, but she's not going to get involved in their government, yes.
anon, you have to accept that women have different moral standards
Yeah anon that's kinda the point of the painted lady episode where Katara learns she should seperate the crimes of the Sozin dynasty from the people living under the rule of Ozai.
>the fire nation also forces her dad to abandon her and go to war, meaning she never gets a proper family life
this was such bullshit in the show, their dad left them defenseless to the point where zuko could just ride his ship into their village and kill them all if he wanted to.
>reason she finally forgives Zuko is because he agrees to help her murder in cold blood as a blatant play for her trust
>Aang enables Katara's decision by letting her use Appa (despite the entitlement of the b***h), but asks her to chose mercy without forcing her or begging
hmm vapid prostitutes choosing between a rich handsome simp and a principled ascetic monk, big mystery why Zutara is popular
zutarans BTFO, literally no arguments against this
ummmm zutaratroonycucktumblrsisters?
>There was NO way that they never meant to make Zutara endgame
We have detailed information on how the series came to be written, so we know for a fact that Zutara was never on the cards. Make peace with it and learn to enjoy your headcanon for what it is instead.
the problem with romance in this series, is that its not really believable that Katara is attracted to anyone. I cant remember ever picking up a vibe that she was secretly jerking off to any men in this entire show.
Truth. It feels imposed on her.
>I cant remember ever picking up a vibe that she was secretly jerking off to any men in this entire show.
>secretly jerking off to any men in this entire show.
>secretly
Her pussy was literally waterbending of its own accord every time she shared screen with Jet till he went full genocider.
She was gushing wet for Jet
Ask June's animal to find you some b***hes.
water tribe b***hes love any light skinned subject that sets foot on their territory to be fair
Azula and Katara are strikingly similar.
>same age
>both are little sisters
>both are crazy b***hes who will cut you
>women ain't nothing but moms and little sisters.
Whoa based zuko.
Of course he's got his hands on mommy
Whoever ends up with Zuko will never be Fire Lady, not if he can have OG mommy as his Fire Lady instead.
Amen.
Agreed, they are perfect for each other!
>muh zutara
>implying zuko could ever get katara soaking wet like this
No anon you don't get it, she was blushing platonically.
this really annoyed me that Katara only started paying more attention to Aang after Zuko chose Azula over her in Ba Sing Se and Aang started to become violent for no reason
I mean it's aang with hair
Zutara is stupid and just comes from teenagers wanting to pair the most attractive girl with the most attractive dude.
Zutara is brilliant specifically because it appeals to teenage girls. Bryke stumbled ass backwards into a winning formula and they hate it.
Nah, they made the right choice because it means people will never get tired of discussing Avatar
>Zutara is brilliant specifically because it appeals to teenage girls.
>sees broken angsty powerful teen boy
>panties flood
many such cases
it's about the DICHOTOMIES.
They did the right thing
Sandor Clegane also comes to mind. He was essentially an extreme version of Zuko, and he made the women fans of asoiaf so wet that GRRM purposefully nerfed him. I guess now if I ever make a story I know how to get a female audience
They didn't chicken out of anything, the thing was: There were writers Pro Zutara and Pro Kataang
I don't know if that tumblr post was true about Aaron Ehasz and his idea with the Airbenders, but I like it. Says that some Airbenders fled the Temples and some married into other nations and there was plenty of airbenders descendants including Ty Lee
I think it encapsulates the Air Nomad philosophy to a T, be a leaf on the wind and if the aesthetic life was causing suffering then you should let go of that.
This is pure conjecture but the fact that Ty Lee was being taught acrobatics before she left for the circus pretty much makes it canon.
Which naturally makes Chi blocking an air nomad martial arts.
It's kinda funny how the other two idiiots dislike Zutara but tried to make a new (reverse) zutara with Mako and Korra
The romance in both The Last Airbender and Korra were probably one of its weakest aspects. It just stood out less in The Last Airbender because the story largely didn't focused on it. If Zuko and Katara were a thing, it probably wouldn't be good. I think a big reason why the pairing is popular fo begin with is thst the fans are able to imagine it being good. The fact ig obviously never happened in show was probably a boon to the ship.
How do shippergays for this show exist even. The romance is so fricking bad, Zuko has more chemistry with his sister than any other female character
Zuko has chemistry with everyone, he was a likeable guy.
How did he have chemistry with Azula?
I've never understood that. Is it just incest shippers doing anime memes? As far as I remember the only women Zuko had any remote chemistry with were his Earth Kingdom peasant side b***hes(especially the Ba Sing Se lady), and to a degree Katara. Most of his convos with Azula were either her sneering at him or manipulating him.
Bullseye The only chemistry Zuko has is with the earth kingdom girls, Jin, Suki and a third girl i think,. And Ty Lee is interested in him. Thats it. Nothing else. Mai is also there I guess. He literally has no chemistry whatsoever with anyone else and shippers are just delusional
Yeh there was like, Jin, a circus girl(I think?), and some chick whose ostrich horse he stole while separated from Iroh. Jin is the only one whose name I remember.
Her name is Song
>How did he have chemistry with Azula?
I mean did you muss the blue dragon with Azula's voice? She's the irrestible pull, a temptation, of the power granted to his birthright while Zuko is the push to Azula to be the way she is.
Azula's perfection compliments Zuko's imperfections.
Zucest is an inversion to Zutara.
>Azula's perfection compliments Zuko's imperfections
This is any pair of close but different siblings. Do you see mating-press material in Sokka/Katara or Iroh/Ozai?
I don't think Azula compliments anything about Zuko except on an artificial level. She's psychotic and power obsessed, any relationship she might have with Zuko is irretrievably crushed by that. Zuko is a fundamentally good and honorable person. Opposites attract, but in this case it would be awful for them both.
What Azula overall represents is the logical conclusion of what Ozai wanted from Zuko. She's a candle that isn't just burning from both ends, but got tossed into a fricking furnace.
>Do you see mating-press material in Sokka/Katara or Iroh/Ozai?
You haven't?
Thanks for the mental image anon.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Sokka and Katara had a much healthier relationship where they treat each other like normal siblings while Ozai and Iroh never got as intimate as Azula and Zuko.
Azula has never done anything irredeemable and deserves a chance at redemption.
It's true, she has barely done anything wrong if we judge strictly from on-screen direct actions. She implies she tortures and kills people all the time, and she advocated for genocide, but is never shown actually committing these atrocities. Zuko stealing the horse-ostrich from Song was worse than anything Azula has done on-screen.
Except killing Aang I guess but he's an irresponsible little shit so I don't count that.
>Zuko stealing the horse-ostrich from Song was worse than anything Azula has done on-screen.
She was fully willing to kill her own brother over a throne while enabling Fire Hitler. That's pretty bad.
Yeah but Zuko was also willing to help enable Fire Hitler too.
He then changed his mind and swapped sides. Azula was all aboard team genocide until the very end.
Because she was in a different kind of trap then Zuko but she was just a 14 year old girl literally being groomed by this ideology since birth just like he was.
Willing but not wanting to kill him.
she gave up her greatest achievement so that her brother could come back home and even as he was ungrateful and keep b***hing she stick by him and did her best to make him feel welcomed all the way to the point when he betrayed her
best sister
Guess again fricker.
counterpoint
Based
Touché but consider this.
should I consider that she is an annoying mary sue? ok, but that doesn't exactly help your case
Her siblings are the strongest fire benders in the world and she is descended from an Avatar, so it isn't surprising if Kiyi is exceptional.
Besides, she disappears by Korra's time.
>Her siblings are the strongest fire benders in the world and she is descended from an Avatar
Azula trained hard until her hands and feet bled, sacrificing her own mental state and relationships with people she cared about to get to where she was by atla
you would have more luck with this argument with Zuko who, true, was more so relaying on his raw talent, but that guy had half of his face melted away and learned much of what he knew in combat getting his ass kicked
meanwhile that little shit just pulls korra's "I am master bender now and you have to deal with it"
not to mention that she literally is a character whom everyone likes and everything comes easy to her - which is a definition of mary sue
You have it backwards, Azula was the prodigy.
if you go to art school while your brother first neets out, and then gets kicked out to live with your hippie uncle in the trailer park
then years later you meet again, he didn't improve much and you mop the floor with him in art competition - and that becomes the kick in the butt he needs to finally pull his head out of his ass and mop the floor with you in the next years competition
then you are not the "prodigy" you thought you were
>Azula drops out of art school
Oh no.
>the holoaircaust didn't happen, but it should happen again
t.Azula
No matter the result of the angi kai Azula would be a prodigy. Being in the 99th percentile is impressive even if Zuko manages to be the top 1 percent.
In turn Azula becomes the NEET instead but still 'gets away with it' by being the phantom third wheel between her brother and 'valley girl' girlfriend
You should take in mind that the writting has drastically fallen apart since that turtle thingy back on 2008.
And besides, Kiyi has like two appearances and hasnt been acknowledged since, she's technically still an OC if you think about it.
I wonder how they're gonna explain all of this to the audience of those supossed new movies, I am still debating myself if I should go watch them with the lowest bar possible so I might get surprised that it isnt so bad.
it's going to be bad in ways you can not yet imagine
what ever you do do not give them money
Pretty sure she aimed the lighting at the water tribe hussy. She only gone full melty after it struck Zuzu, more proof that she cares.
>Except killing Aang I guess but he's an irresponsible little shit so I don't count that.
He got better.
>Zuko stealing the horse-ostrich from Song was worse than anything Azula has done on-screen
Well, now I'm expecting that in Netflix's adaptation, zuko frick song and then steal the horse-ostrich.
It'd be funny if he fricks Azula and she becomes more evil
Azula can't be evil is she is barefoot and pregnant
smart
Zuko must spread the royal seed across the earth kingdom
A lot of people interpret sexual tension in that, especially between opposite sex characters, which is weird. That one scene where Azula didn't had makeup was pretty odd though.
>How did he have chemistry with Azula?
He doesn't. It's just deranged incestgays
>How did he have chemistry with Azula?
Are you blind or just moronic?
Not a degenerate sister fricker srry
So blind AND moronic? Okay.
Ok coomer
You type like a homosexual.
The characters were written well and some people thought they would be cute together. People will ship regardless of how good the romances actually are.
Zuko has been portrayed as consistently socially awkward so he's not likable in a more literal sense of the word. He has chemistry with the other characters because the writers bother to spend time with him spending time with others.
>People will ship regardless of how good the romances actually are.
This is the real secret. Shippers don't give a frick about the romance, they just want two characters they like to be together. There's plenty of cross franchise ships, those characters have never interacted and never will.
Good and 'hot' characters
It seems to be implied that at least part of the reason why Azula turned out the way she did was due to Ozai's influence. How differently would the show be if Azula had Zuko's influences and Zuko had Azula's?
>It seems to be implied that at least part of the reason why Azula turned out the way she did was due to Ozai's influence.
Well yeh. Ozai basically molded her into a sociopathic killing machine. Her mother gave all her attention to Zuko, who Ozai disliked, which made Azula think her mother hated her. Which she sort of did, in a guilty way(I think there is something in the comics about Ursa being unable to look at her without seeing Ozai). Azula then began to associate power with her self worth and validation. She both hates and desires the attention and validation of her entire family which is why she's so fricked up.
>How differently would the show be if Azula had Zuko's influences and Zuko had Azula's?
There wouldn't have been a plot really. Zuko was banished for speaking out against using men as cannon fodder. Wouldn't happen if he was Ozai's golden boy though. And if no banishment happens Azula probably just stays around in the Fire Nation?
Which means...things are way easier for the Gaang? No obsessed Prince chasing them. Zhao would still be after them ig but it really messes with a lot of canon.
Ig Azula would show up as a good guy in the Fire Nation arc and end up becoming Fire Lady once Zuko has his meltdown and Ozai gets nuked by Aang.
Incest is wincest
Shippers of any kind are absolutely deranged.
You know, this explains quite well why the reboot for that show was all about shipping.
I wonder why people got so invested in these ships in particular. The show was about weekly hijinks, not relationships.
Agree 100%. It was originally intended but they b***hed out in the end for some reason imo
I like this picture of the blind girl and ptsd burned boy
Kino
well his character archetype is barbarian and hers is brawler so they kind of fit together nicely
HIGH TASTE
i kneel
Toph is such a train wreck on a domestic level as an adult that marriage would last like 3 years with 3 kids followed by her bolting.
lies...
well since bryke got rid of Aaron and his team of writers (to be fair some were pouched by different studios like dave filoni) they had to write their characters themselves, and that is why they dont feel like the ppl from atla, because they are not the same
so Toph would most definitely not become a boring police chef, and at the same time she would not become a hoe that runs away and leaves others to pick her shit up
what they got right
>irresponsible overly lax and hands off mother
>bending the rules and using her money or status to get her loved ones out of legal trouble
>getting tired of everyone's shit and fricking off somewhere
what they got wrong
>that she would want to do a job that's primarily desk work and (in Republic City at least) comes with a great deal oversight from higher-ups
>that she would never once visit her own daughters or grandkids
>that if she did get involved with Kuvira she would just give her a one-liner and walk away
kids from multiple dads could go either way depending on whether they died or left her or she left them. Too many unknowns.
Toph can sense when people are lying, probably a fricking awful thing to have in a relationship. Toph changing when she's older is fine, but her becoming a cop makes no sense.
the ability to sense lies would be great for choosing the partner, plus Toph has great role models in her parents and later Iroh
she would not turn into a deadbeat mother after 2 failed relationships
I don't think she'd be a dead beat mother, but I do see her running through relationships and never really settling down, but she'd still keep in touch with her kids.
why do you see her running through relationships and never really settling down? there is nothing in her character that would imply that
and again the relationship of her parents is very stable
>and again the relationship of her parents is very stable
Yeah she notoriously hates her parents but also loves them, I think their controlling nature and rigid lifestyle is like 96% of why Toph ends up the way she does. Her becoming a housewife or whatever makes no sense, I don't see her as someone who stays in the same place too long. Like 4ish years then she moves on or they move on type of deal.
Toph doesn't hate her parents, she feels suffocated by their affection and wants to do her own thing, but that's normal teenage behaviour
stability of her parents' relationship, especially with the lack of social pressure to be a "strong and independent", is a great predictor for a long term relationship in Toph's future
also you are underestimating how much you learn from what your parents do and how they act
so unless Toph would go out of her way to make a conscious effort to frick up her life for no reason, she would end up with a guy who shares her sensibilities
would she end up a Stepford woman? probably more like Stepford tomboy, but definitely not a hoe
>she feels suffocated by their affection
no she felt unvalued because they thought of her more as a possession than a person, they see first hand who she is then say no we're going to shut all that shit down, she runs away and they hire the guys who kidnapped her in the first place to do that again.
Her parents fricking suck, and her life and attitude is a direct result of hating her parents "values" and how they've directly fricked up her first 12 years of her life.
I thought Toph would have worked well as a wandering teacher, teaching pupils earthbending and metal bending if they were worthy. She finally settles down when she sets up her own earthbending dojo and school for the earthbending blind.
They spent a lot of time teasing Zutara and then wanted to pretend the fans were being psychos at the end. It was all one big gaslight.
they tried for
>Stacy loves badboys but she choses me at the end
kind of story, but they never really provided the reason as to why Katara would chose Aang
Cope, there was no Zutara in the show at all.
True but it somehow still beats out Kataang for believability.
you're lying if you don't see it
You mean to say there’s no Korrasami on the show anon
>boots
Nice detail
>googles
Even Azula VA support this
Its the other viable pairing besides Mai
kek
Lel
Wait a minute incestgays! Why Zuko trying to kill Azula in this photo?
I feel like it's disproportionately sociopaths/women who like Zutara.
Aang loved Katara. Why don't women care about that instead of projecting themselves onto Katara and wanting her to love Zuko?
>Why don't women care about that instead of projecting themselves onto Katara and wanting her to love Zuko?
because they are women
one of like 2 pages when Zuko was allowed to be roughly in character
>Aang loved Katara. Why don't women care about that instead of projecting themselves onto Katara and wanting her to love Zuko?
I mean, idk about not caring that aang loved katara. The problem wasn't that, it's more like the writers didn't know how to write them without casting katara as a mothering figure.
Which isn't gonna be attractive to tweenage girls or really many women. Chicks want a partner, not someone they're expected to baby 24/7. Which imo sometimes kataang kinda came off as.
Mind you, I didn't hate kataang, or really was hardball against any ship, because I found the show more fun in pretty much everything but the romance back when it was airing.
I think Kataang would have worked better under different writers then the ones ATLA had ( even including the mother figure angle. Bleach comes to mind imo for that, even with it's short coming, Kubo made an effort to define how orihime and Ichigo would grow as they are, orihime's mother like qualities are secondary v.s. being one of the most tread upon characterizations like katara's case)
The reason there's Zutara shippers is because Zuko is hot and not a bald manlet, it's that simple. Pretty much every suggestion "fans" have for how to improve ATLA is terrible. I would not be surprised if there's a huge overlap between Zutara shippers and "Aang should have killed Ozai" edgelords.
basically nailed it. While chemistry is somewhat part of it when ya hit brass tacks a lot of it is just preferring the angsty guy with a good heart over the bald kid. A lot of Zutara fans had crushes on Zuko in their youth and project on it well into their late 20s 30s into other types of media
I remember watching the kyoshi island episode when it came out and even as a kid closer to Aang's age I still thought that he was basically wasting his time with Katara because she just saw him as a little brother.
I do agree that it felt forced when I watched it as a kid. I haven't rewatched in between but I am meaning to in the future.
Shipping wars in general can get annoying, and from that angle, it was one of the reasons I stayed away from it for Atla, and by proxy Zutara. Zutara shippers were just the loudest, but there's always blegh behaviour from fans when it comes to popular shows, that's in all fandoms. A mob is never gonna be as salient as an individual.
That said, even though I didn't care for it. I don't think that means all complaints are just seething fan projection/ self insert crud. If we see something consistently enough in fandom, there's probably some kernel of truth about a complaint.
TLDR: I don't think Kataang was intrinsically bad, it's the atla writers couldn't do it without feeling forced or having a Madonna-older sister complex to it, and then doubling down on how that's not off. The annoying ship behaviour in fans is annoying, but I do think ships like Zutara was also a reaction from fans who didn't like how that canon 'romance' was being written. Zuko 'hot' helps, but I don't think that's the only reason ( i.e. Aang isn't ugly or unattractive, and all the male leads look good as adults, so that imo is not the only reason).
>File
I look at this and I am preemptively angry at what they will do to frick up the characters in a train wreck of a story
The cope is palpable
>tfw Ursa's genes kicking in
Aang had no one to fall back to, Airbenders would have died out then and there. But that would have been a good thing.
I also like crackships.
That's some random weird ship
All the main characters get shipped with Azula since she is best girl.
I would argue this one and her with Katara are pretty rare.
Katara was never attracted to Zuko and Zuko was never attracted to Katara. It's rather simple my dear Watson.
>A Zutara thread is about to hit bump limit
You guys have shit taste, I know only bald guys were the only ones that which conveniently liked a bald manlet going out with her but this pairing isnt any better
It hit bump limit from everyone shitting on it and posting Zucest
ok but was was azula written so relatable?
>ok but was was azula written so relatable?
can you relate to a burning need to be impregnated, preferably forcefully, by your brother?
I was talking about mommy issues and a need to impress daddy but im not into men HOWEVER if a cute girl wanted to impregnator me id be down
>picrel
>preferably forcefully
Seems that it was consensual and that she was asking for it.
And hey, if you have an incestuous son with your older brother that means you still have some claim to the throne
>preferably forcefully
>Seems that it was consensual
those are not mutually exclusive
Fair enough, she's complaining about getting knockee up but I bet she locked her legs arounf his back while screaming GIVE ME AN HEIR! GIVE ME AN HEIR!
That seems very likely given that it is Azula.
Yeah, instead she was in love with him and married him, that's beyond a mere crush.
Like I always say: bratty Azula, best Azula.
Kataang is nice because it's a subversion of common romance tropes. Aang is this borderline detity figure and we get to watch Katara become one of the best waterbenders of all time, but yet theirs this unexpected but wholesome boy-next-door girl-next-door feeling about them, they're kids who have a crush on eachother but don't know how to pursue that because they've never pursued that before.
Katara does not jave a crush on Aang.
this was a nice thread, thanks anons
Zucest is always best.