There's this one thing that's been bothering me while reading Sonic comics. are Mobians actually mutated animals who share some of their original traits or a completely different species on their own? For instance would Sally bite or climb to a tree when threatened?
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>are Mobians actually mutated animals
Yes
>animals
Yes
And no
You'll have to go on a continuity by continuity basis
Anyways they're very humanlike behaviorally. At any rate I'm pretty sure lots of people-people would bite and climb trees when threatened
they behave like humans but still way too primitive to be completely called anthropomorphic in the evolution. my guess would be that she still keeps some of her primordial instincts.
>way too primitive
How? Literally what abou tthem in Forces/Archiem makes them seem like they aren't humans but from the animal kingdom?
Monkey and Humans are both primates, but one advanced to take over the jungle and the other advanced to just destroy the entire planet's climate.
How is this hard to understand the difference between Sonic and a pet hedgehog?
human evolution took literally like millions of years. mobian shit only took 3000 years which is nothing compared to the actual process. mobians may act like humans, but they're still literal animals.
of course it's only valid if you accept penders' bullshit alien gene bomb canon.
Who cares how long it took when they're very clearly on the same level of humans with some like Tails being the technological match of the greatest human minds.
>they're very clearly on the same level of humans
They're not as they're not wholly evolved yet and still retain some of their animal traits. Think it like a feline kingdom, they would be all sentient and able to create a civilization but can also still run mindlessly over a fricking yarn. It's the same with Mobians.
> they're not wholly evolved yet and still retain some of their animal traits.
You mean…like humans?
Mobians may be sentient and smart, but they are still more animals than humans. Like for example if you scare Sally, she would inadvertently try to climb a tree or show a similar reflex. Like how Sonic tries to burrow his head under his spikes when he thinks he's in danger.
>mobian shit only took 3000 years
Non canon Black person, frick off with western shit
Jap canon states Sonic and humans existed since forever. Same time they evolved, the only difference is humans didn't wipe them out.
>Jap canon
Irrelevant in a discussion of other continuities. This is like b***hing about Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles being brothers with human parents in the movies because that's not exactly how the games depicted it.
*shit
>Irrelevant in a discussion of other continuities.
It's not when you blanent enforce some bullshit from archie like it's the god writen fact of Sonic when that actively goes against what was hte original inception of Sonic
Nothing about Sonic and humans implies Sonic's kind is some anomaly that "spawned" in some 3000 odd years. It's just fricking wrong to go le Archie canon then act like a c**t whenever anyone calls it out as what it is, headcanon.
All I have to say is we better be grateful that
1. These comics aren't canon
2. Even if the 1 out of Millionth chance sega wanted to use archie lore there would be legal issues
3. The comics are cancelled and dead.
I agree that these homosexuals are annoying though. They always treat these shitty comics like if it was ever actually important to sonic world building.
>How is this hard to understand the difference between Sonic and a pet hedgehog?
Sonic is literally a blue talking pet hedgehog whose only different is that he can stand on his two feet and run faster.
Sonic is a cartoon animal person. It’s like Goofy and Pluto.
Archie Mobians very explicitly are stumped by certain innovations that Overlanders have pulled out. They're sapient yes, but some stuff we take for granted would floor them.
It also doesn't help that they hate Overlanders/humans and really dislike relying on stuff they use.
>Archie Mobians very explicitly are stumped by certain innovations that Overlanders have pulled out.
Eh, this was something writers never really agreed on, back when the "nature vs technology" theme was still in full force.
One issue the heroes are hacking into computers, another they're stumped at the sight of a television.
>Anyways they're very humanlike behaviorally
Don't let them fool you anon. No matter how much they act like a human, they are still just a bunch of rodents.
Go away, Robotnik.
It’s over Robotnik! I have the high ground!
obi-wan, you're supposed to be one of us, are you want to end up as a species traitor?
My allegiance is to the Republic… to DEMOCRACY!
Mobians have certain animal traits like Espio and other chameleons being able to camouflage. Sonic mentions he can burrow because he's a hedgehog. Not all traits carry over like being color blind or certain things being toxic to some animals or carnivores eating other animals. So just the light stuff and ignoring the bigger stuff.
In the Archie comics, they're evolved from real world animals after space aliens gene-bombed Earth and caused the remaining life to mutate and gain sapience. As far as the games and by extension IDW comics are concerned, they're just fairy tale creatures and you're an autistic manchild (like Penders) if you try to think about it too hard.
It's a cartoon, don't think much about it.
If you haven't finished the comic yet... Mobius is actually Earth 12,000 after being annihilated by aliens using "gene bomb". the bombs melted all humans and animals into primordial soup. Mobians are animals given more human traits while Overlanders are degenerated humans. The bombs also irradiated all of the beryl deposits creating the abundance of chaos emeralds seen throughout the comic.
rendered moot thanks to Sonic Team's official canon
Game continuity is completely different. Not that it matters since they change their minds on stuff every other game. Still wondering where the other humans are.
Two worlds, baka gaijin
Not anymore, which is his point.
That's like saying Boom was rendered moot by the mainline's canon. It's a separate continuity, ya goof, it's not meant to be game Sonic.
I agree, but you're pic related is Ben Bates.
>I agree, but you're pic related is Ben Bates.
late Archie era sonic artists are hard to discern.
I actually quite liked the whole Overlander versus Mobians thing, like Hope's story and the wolf that adopts two Overlander childen, I thought that was sweet
It’s one of the reasons why Archie, despite its glaring flaws, is my favorite Sonic continuity. We’re never going to have world building as advanced as what those comics presented ever again.
And since we’re on the topic of that particular story, I just adore how they portrayed Shadow there, with how he interacted with Hope. That’s the real Shadow. Not this Edgy the Hedgy imposter that’s been around for a while.
that was Archie under Bollers' writing. Long since made noncanon thanks to the Genesis waves.
Bollers added the alien gene bombs causing it, but it was Penders that did the "post-apocalyptic mutated animals" thing years before Bollers was ever hired. Of course being Penders, he did this solely and specifically to make his echidnas the "first" species and therefore superior to everyone else.
In Pre-Genesis they're animals mutated and spliced with human DNA by the gene bombing of the earth. Everywhere else it's not explained but they're a different species from animal companions like Flickies.
I'm not sure whether it's an artistic choice but I like it how Yardley chooses her to draw her more feral in rare occasions.
Same, it’s a really neat touch.
>she may be cute but she can still give you rabies
Does she have a human vagoo?
Mobians can all reproduce with each other so I assume they're all packing similar plumbing
according to IDW yes.
In game/main canon, separate species from animals.
In Archie Pre-Genesis, they evolved from animals.
But there is one thing that all continuities more or less confirm, mobians and humans date and frick each other.
Cmon, Sonic and Elise were totally going to frick if they were able to remember each other and stay together
She's non canon, it doesn't matter.
It’s still a valid topic where her or not we are talking about the main canon or an alternate continuity.
Well, then mutated animal.
They're aliens.
Sonic's original designer calls him a fairy of a hedgehog. Obviously the japanese definition of fairy doesn't quite line up with what we consider fairies - you see the word and think of something like tinkerbell - but that's what Sonic characters are. They're not mutant animals, they're not aliens from the planet mobius, they're just creatures that exist in the world. Western writers can't wrap their head around this; we don't need to know where they came from or if they're related to normal animals, just let it go. Sally is never going to climb up a tree when startled, Wave is never going to lay an egg, Sonic is never going to bend over and jack off with his teeth. They're not animals.
Except Sega's Sonic and USA Sonic are entirely different characters at this point despite the name. Sonic Team in US has created an entirely different sonic canon from scratch while all Sega wanted was a funny little hedgehog and nothing that much.
They’re different because Sega Japan allowed it to be different. They basically allowed Sega of America to do whatever the frick they wanted, didn’t even bother to give them copies of the videos game in the earlier years.
They never stepped in unless Penders did something really stupid.
The hammer came down eventually and all it did was just deprive fans of stuff they liked.
I don’t get why it’s such a problem to have alternate continuities. Just don’t hide creeps like Penders and dumbasses like Bollers and everything will be fine.
> They basically allowed Sega of America to do whatever the frick they wanted, didn’t even bother to give them copies of the videos game in the earlier years.
Sega in Japan literally hated Archie Sonic and waited their chance to pull its plug for decades. they had to allow it because the comic was extremely popular in US which was something they did not expect at all.
>Sega in Japan literally hated Archie Sonic
Sauce on that? And I don't mean "they must've hated it 'cause of X", because as far as I'm aware, the strongest emotion the higher ups felt over there was apathy.
And since I've forgotten what franchise this is, let me clarify, I mean "X" as in the variable, not "X" as in the Sonic anime.
or X as in Twitter
>they had to allow it because the comic was extremely popular in US which was something they did not expect at all.
Isn't it more because Archie was willing to pay for the license for it to continue?
Sega DID NOT gave his unction to any of that freedom fighters stuff and has a beef with American Sega for decades. Sega of America went rouge for decades before that butthole Penders deci̇ded to frick everyhti̇ng up wi̇th hi̇s echi̇dna auti̇sm.
>didn’t even bother to give them copies of the videos game in the earlier years
They did the same thing to Fleetway. Sega of Japan didn't give a frick about any of them gaijins.
Still don't.
I still can't believe those damn rodents think they can hold a civilization when they're nothing but animals at the end.
>Sega decides to only make one timeline.
>They make the already confusing timeline even more confusing with stuff like IDW and Prime.
>They throw away alternate continuities that many people still love that could just make them more money if they committed to them and as long they don’t hire anyone like Penders, Bollers, and those two Happy Tree Friends guys.
Is SEGA stupid?
>Is SEGA stupid?
For at least 35 years, yes
SEGA is just a front to hide Sammy's pachinko business, the only value they saw in the Sonic brand was that of a corporate mascot made to sell merch to kids, not even as a game or multimedia IP. No wonder is rare to see a smart decision from them.
>archie, fleetway, sonic ova, sonic x, sonic boom, and probably some other continuities
>forgotten and their characters are forbidden from being used
>sonic prime is the perfect opportunity to bring in other continuities
>sonic 900th adventure is the perfect opportunity to bring in other continuities
>NOPE
>neither even bothered with classic era sonic
>meanwhile nintendo pumps out mario games across all continuities
900th adventure was underwhelming af. At least we got various older art styles I guess…
AAAIIIiiiiiieeeeee
Damn, sucks for them.
Unforgivable. I must smack YOUTUBE’S NUTS
YouTube is such a piece of hsht.
I'm moronic, is the problem that kid's content can't receive monetization?
It pays way less and restricts features like comments.
What's the problem here? All I see is youtube being based
Why are you guys even arguing about this? Archieshit straight up has god awful lore and writing and was never canon to the main series.
If Archie was ever good, why wasn't it as popular as it is now back when it was alive less than a decade ago?
Archie is good because it makes you seethe.
>Archie is good
>Bad General writing
>Terrible butchered Game characters and filled to the brim with literal who's and shitty OC's
>Terrible art for half of it's run
>Overall an actual unironic, cringe worthy sonic fanfiction that attracted a bunch of mentally ill autist that couldn't tell the difference between something good and something that is completely garbage.
Lmao
>seething
LOL
>y-you're seething!
KEEEEEK, You can't even come up with a refute because you know you like eating poorly made slop, furgay.
Why are you moronic?
I must be a genius then if you can't even make a proper comeback to my post and have to resort "y-you're just mad!"
Because Archie makes you made which is funny.
It's a genuine question
Archie Sonic became more popular after it died
And what metric are you using?