>they indicted him on involuntary manslaughter, again
Did he really think he would get away with cold blooded murder?
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>they indicted him on involuntary manslaughter, again
Getting manslaughter is getting away with murder. You know on account of bit getting found guilty if murder.
I'll find you Mike
who's Bit? do you mean Bert?
it was the armourer's fault. Its not an actors responsibility to check weapons. You're just salty because he derided Daddy Trump.
(you) bait post
>pointing a real gun at another human being and pulling the trigger when it isn’t even called for
Just cus someone tells you it’s a stunt car doesn’t mean you can run over someone while practicing a scene
Illiterate confirmed. He didn't pull the trigger, it was a malfunction
thats whats being challenged now. the investigators may have broke the gun. at least thats the logic of having a new trial
He pulled the trigger
Disingenuous argument. It would only make sense if you'd been told your entire professional life that a stunt car is incapable of running over and killing someone. That's how people view prop/blank guns. They think they're analogous to nerf guns
>It would only make sense if you'd been told your entire professional life that a stunt car is incapable of running over and killing someone. That's how people view prop/blank guns.
That is the exact opposite of what he would have been told on every flick he ever shot that featured guns (including this one)
It is an actor’s responsibility to handle firearms safely though.
Yeah but why did he walk over and shoot her point blank in the head after she was down?
Mercy kill.
The crime was her foul existence, the sentence was death.
Really Alec was the good guy here
everyone saying this is consistently and conveniently ignoring the fact that he was the producer, therefore responsible for ensuring all safe practices are followed. he knowingly hired an unqualified person to save money, cut corners that you NEVER cut, and look what happened. Even if he wasn't on set the day of the killing, he would be liable. The fact that he pulled the trigger just confuses the root issue here. (But certainly does him no favors from an optics PoV)
he was one producer out of many and several production companies
fricking Baldwin isn't interviewing randos for peon positions
is there any evidence that the armorer was unqualified prior to hiring, or that he was hired to cut costs? There's a certain amount of liability his company should have but obviously calling it murder is wrong
>is there any evidence that the armorer was unqualified
she was a women
yeah actually there was two negligent discharges on set, one resulting in injury. infact, less then 24 hours before the incident, half the crew walked off, in protest. they bussed in a load of non-union crew members to keep shooting (lel).
True it’s actually because he’s a liberal reprobate that he didn’t respect gun safety and invited this terror upon himself
The only reason you hate him is because he made fun of your orange daddy on SNL. You would be defending him from these nasty dog bite, ambulance chasing lawyers if it was 2015.
I hate him because he's a homophobe, chud.
That’s what I just said didn’t I?
what was the gun safety he violated that isn't in every single movie that uses guns? don't say some dumb shit like pointing a prop gun at someone which is all over every tv show and movie constantly
His gun safety violation was being liberal
Firearm safety is the responsibility of anyone handling a firearm. 🙂
Lets say it was a blank. Holding a gun to a person's head and pulling the trigger would still be illegal EVEN if the woman was fine. As it turns out it wasn't a blank, so the result of his callous prank was loss of human life. He's lucky they aren't hitting him with 2nd degree murder.
Not to mention that he shot another guy after the cinematographer.
Same bullet hit two people.
The ‘shot in the head’ is deliberate misinfo being spread by the same morons that think endless Denny’s jokes are ‘funny’.
see
Ah I see. The magic gun that fires and aims by itself is loaded with magic bullets that jump around to kill multiple people. Glad you could clear that up for us, Alec.
to be fair, the denny jokes are meant to see the silver lining alec
Even if it's a blank, you will injure a person by shooting them point blank in the head, genius.
Irregardless, he is a dangerous person and belongs in prison.
you'd need to establish there was some knowledge they were live rounds. The armoror's story is that they came from a box of dummy rounds, she blamed the supplier for the rounds. so again it seems to be on her, the supplier denied this and hasn't been charged. blanks had accidentally been discharged and hit people prior, so you gotta question how that was happening, if it was the gun malfunctioning before-hand.
There probably isn't a scenario he would ever get 2nd degree murder unless you establish he knew they were live. even then i can only find articles saying live rounds are suspected, can't find a confirmation that was what killed her.
didn't she get shot in the stomach from a distance and not the head? Where do you guys keep getting this point blank head bullshit.
Whatever he's guilty just don't see the reason to make shit up.
because if you read any of what happened, it becomes pretty hard to blame him for it. they don't want that.
He doesn't help himself at all though. The entire "Oh I never pulled the trigger" thing is the king of bullshit. You need to pull the trigger for the gun to go off, it's how these things work. I know his lawyers are telling him not to admit fault in any way but come the frick on.
I can't tell if you are totally brain dead or a paid shill because the complete oposite is true. Even if the guy didn't think people would die, he's still a coked out lunatic who thinks it is funny to fire a gun at people as a punchline to a joke.
He shot her in the stomach first and then shot her point blank in the head to put her out of her misery.
I can't tell if you're being moronic or meme'ing.
He heard her shrieking and panicked. His story was that he did it out of mercy, but I think it's more likely that he didn't want her running her mouth to the cops about his "prank".
The executive producers that hired a newbie armorer and ignored persistent safety issues were negligent in the extreme and caused the cinematographers death
Baldwin was the executive producer.
Baldwin wasn't the executive producer, he was just one of the many producers, probably just in name only. He probably had no responsibility of an actual producer.
To be fair, most producers don't have much responsibility at all anyways. It's just a title you give you friends so they can earn some cash doing a bullshit made up job.
Yes
It just so happens that he was feeling especially "executive" that day
It’s a person’s responsibility to not blow someone else’s brains out with a revolver
He hired the armorer.
He pointed a gun at somebody.
He pulled the trigger.
And then she killed herself, though.
>killed herself
That's one way to put it. Another way you could put it is one less loose end for deadeye Baldwin.
I highly doubt he was the one that hired the armorer. You realize there are more than one producer right?
There is more than one person that should get the blame in this.
>There is more than one person that should get the blame in this.
Those people include Baldwin, who is also the one who picked up a loaded gun, pointed it at somebody and pulled the trigger.
Can you prove that he did that?
a pile of dead bodies apparently isn't proof enough when you are an A-list celebrity. OJ, Bruce Jenner, Ferris Bueller, the list goes on. Why you think these people deserve a license to kill is beyond me.
where do you guys come up with the idea he was in charge and hired everyone? for a board about movies you'd think someone on here would know what a producer really is
Not true. This artwork depicts the latest theory of the crime with all available evidence. As you can plainly see, Baldwin wasn't pointing his gun at anyone. There was a third party who took control of the gun and redirected the bullet against all known laws of physics, and it is this third party who should really be on trial here. We should be asking ourselves why the police are targeting a clearly innocent man instead of hunting down that menace.
so true!!!!!
He crossed state lines
two more weeks
>Its not an actors responsibility to check weapons.
Sure, but Baldwin wasn't just an actor on the movie, he was also the producer, meaning that he was the armorer's boss. And there had been multiple complaints that the armorer wasn't handling the guns with sufficient care.
So, an argument could be made in court that Baldwin can't avoid liability the shooting by relying on the usual assurance from the armorer that the gun was only loaded with blanks, because he already knew that she was an unreliable armorer.
>So, an argument could be made in court that Baldwin can't avoid liability the shooting by relying on the usual assurance from the armorer that the gun was only loaded with blanks, because he already knew that she was an unreliable armorer
Yeah and also because he shot and killed a woman
you all seemed to be very confused as to what a producer credit means. if he was the executive producer this would make more sense
>Its not an actors responsibility to check weapons
This is bait but here's why that's wrong for others who care.
good post
lol moronic
it's like you think he's going to go to prison because he broke the actor's club rules
drink bleach
Weaker bait than the first, but here's why that's wrong:
The point of the first post was to excuse Baldwin's actions under the idea that actors have different expectations put upon them that alleviate their responsibility under the law. That is not true. So by breaking the actor club rules, Baldwin is showing reckless disregard for the safety of others. Whether or not it lands him in prison is up to the jury but the fact that he was drilled on these safety guidelines and ignored them doesn't help his defense at all.
"actors have different expectations put upon them that alleviate their responsibility under the law"
No they get the same standard of whether or not a reasonable person would make the same mistake. When they try to figure out if a forklift driver was negligible, they compare him to a standard reasonable forklift operator, not a fat kid with behavior issues.
If the guy was doing normal workplace shit, then he wasn't criminally negligent.
>When they try to figure out if a forklift driver was negligible, they compare him to a standard reasonable forklift operator
Exactly, I'm talking about the expectations of the job, and how some people assume actors are on the level of a fat kid with behavior issues in terms of expectations.
a 2L who grew up obese with no father could get this guy off the hook.
I would just show video after video of him pointing guns at people in movies and say "He has to do that for his job, and it never caused a problem before etc."
I mean I get why they feel like they have to prosecute him but it's a waste of time
>send a staff rep to the set
MIMSY
Trump should pardon him and turn him into a lifelong republican
Maybe he can share a cell with Harv
He needs to share a cell with Epstein, if ya catch my drift
this isn't fair he bought those kids a breakfast at dennys and used the last of his vouchers
What did they even order from Denny's??
hobbit feast and smaugburger
Basically the full menu, they really took advantage of poor Alec's generosity.
wtf bros he even bought them breakfast! at dennys!
I'm surprised Trey & Matt haven't made fun of the incident, considering that they like ripping on Baldwin and have joked about far worse things before.
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INDICTED! INDICTED!
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I ignored this since they said the troony girl was innocent.
If he's the murderer why did he kill the dude?
what the frick are you even talking about
Imagine how much better it would be if we could have one thread for genuine discussion and a second for the shitposting morons.
I can't believe Alec Baldwin deliberately shot a queen while screaming "WOMEN DON'T BELONG IN THE WORKPLACE!"
We need to get the word out, he's a menace.
Don't forget that prop director or whoever it was that got indicted first and took the plea deal. They're gonna be testifying against Baldwin in the trial.
that isn't how plea deals work. the new trial is because the malfunctioning gun idea is being challenged
For real though, a ‘malfunction’? Doubt
well there's obviously some kind of malfunction because it was a blank, the question is basically if he pulled the trigger which led the malfunctioning prop to action. if he didn't then he just was holding something that killed someone, if he did, then he was using the object that was malfunctioning.
Either way, every movie with guns does what he was doing, so its kind of hard to fault him if he did standard procedure. unless we just think we shouldn't be using blanks at all, which i guess there's an argument for
>it was a blank
blanks don't kill people, Alec does
How the frick are people STILL so ignorant on the basic facts of this story? YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS YOU moron, IT WASNT A BLANK. IT WAS A REAL BULLET IN A REAL GUN, "PROP" GUNS ARE BARELY A THING, PROP MEANS ANYTHING APPEARING ON SCREEN, NOT FAKE
nobody knew it was a real bullet, they were from a box of dummy rounds. no one knew there was live ammo on set
>nobody knew
someone did
hehe
Potentially the best prank of all time, whoever did that
Which is negligence that needs to be investigated! God damn
its a very important distinction, because intent is a major factor in everything transpiring. there are degrees of negligence. nobody is arguing negligence didn't occur, the question is where, and at what point. a MAJOR factor thats going to come into play is if there's any findings on who put the live rounds in there.
There were frickups along the way, but it really is the most important question
Maybe we should look into who assembled the gun in the factory too. Obviously don't worry about the upstanding citizen who went on a killing spree with it.
if you give someone a stick of dynamite, and say its a fake stick, and they light it and blow up, you will indeed be in trouble for that
Ok lets go with that. Lets say you hand someone a stick of dynamite and say it is loaded with prop explosives. If they lit it and threw it at someone because they thought it would be funny to scare them they would still be held largely liable when it explodes.
In this case, though to be a correct analogy, the guy who threw the dynamite would be running around claiming that he did not light or throw the dynamite, but that it lit itself and lept out of his hand of its own accord. I don't think I have to explain to you that such a lie would indicate more guilt than you could assume otherwise.
my analogy is covering the part where the person saying it isn't real has fault. obviously its not a 1:1, but that wasn't the point of it.
Baldwin's defense of not pulling the trigger is definitely suspect. best faith possible is that he got it wienered, when he brought it up he pulled the trigger, and doesn't really remember shit clearly, which is pretty common when you accidentally kill someone.
Also, likely, is that he is lying about the trigger part, because his lawyer told him its in the realm of possibility the gun was broken.
The armorer was accused of evidence tampering though, so all of her side of everything really makes me think some foul play could have happened.
I'm not so sure. It could be a total accident on the part of the armorer, but even if such a mistake ocurred, you would still hope, if you were on set during this, that Alec baldwin would not be pointing real guns at you during his breaks and pulling the trigger. That is something that this person did. Pointed a real gun at a real person and pulled the trigger.
the problem i have with this is that they do this all the time when cameras are rolling. it shouldn't be that different for a rehearsal.
>the problem i have with this is that they do this all the time when cameras are rolling
They use clever angles to avoid pointing the gun at a person at all
no they don't
maybe we should just look into who replaced dummy rounds with real ones. why wouldn't that be the primary thing to look at?
Why don't we investigate the workers who mined the metal to build the gun as well? Clearly the murderer is an innocent victim in the matter.
it has been, they found the director negligent. He told baldwin it was cold, Baldwin can't be expected to know to tell if its a dummy or live, because they look the same.
Saying its cold is also usually reserved for things that have neither dummies or blanks in them anyways
>well there's obviously some kind of malfunction because it was a blank
No, it was a live round mistaken for a dummy round. Blanks were not involved.
>the question is basically if he pulled the trigger which led the malfunctioning prop to action.
The weapon was not a prop, it was a fully functional firearm with a hammer bar safety. The only way it could have fired was for the weapon to be wienered and the trigger pulled, and this has been confirmed by the FBI firearm forensics team.
>if he didn't then he just was holding something that killed someone, if he did, then he was using the object that was malfunctioning.
The issue is that he pointed a weapon at someone, wienered the hammer, and pulled the trigger without needing to do so and while failing to follow basic firearm safety. That’s criminal negligence.
Oh and by the way, “this fully working pistol in good condition was malfunctioning” has got to be the stupidest thing on Cinemaphile right now.
>Either way, every movie with guns does what he was doing, so its kind of hard to fault him if he did standard procedure.
SAG-AFTRA has a list of on-set firearm safety rules, many of which Baldwin broke. Very few movies that feature firearms have them being handled the same way they were in the Rust set.
>unless we just think we shouldn't be using blanks at all, which i guess there's an argument for
Blanks have nothing to do with it you utter gibbering moron. Stop posting your imbecility.
Of course not all plea deals work this way, but that set/prop director who pled out IS testifying against Baldwin. Was set to do so the first time, and will instead do so this time.
this is the thanks he gets for paying for her son's Denny's breakfast?
Those bullets look so real.
Yes, I do just personally dislike him
No, I don't think he's guilty of murder
Yes, he should be thrown in jail for murder
It's the findom roasty's fault. Her dad just gave the position to her out of sheer nepotism.
He's not accused of murder
>I'll find you Mike.
>What are you going to do, shoot me?
What's happened to the armourer? I haven't been paying attention.
>Did he really think he would get away with cold blooded murder?
Murder requires malice aforethought, aka prior intent. Baldwin didn't murder that chick because he had no malice aforethought.
He is guilty of manslaughter in that his negligence resulted in the death of another. As a producer he hired an inexperienced individual to handle the weapons on set, and as an actor he failed to ensure the rounds in the firearm he was using were blanks. His negligence directly lead to the death of one, and the serious injury of another.
reading the case it seems like the director broke protocol by not really checking the revolver after he took them from the armorer, and he pleaded guilty for negligence. This really comes down to whether or not Alec pulled the trigger, which they'll need footage to prove. The investigators said they might have broke the gun when collecting it somehow so maybe it wasn't broken at first. just depends on that
I remember a story that the pistol was ruined by the FBI "tests" not sure how they can do that, or if the story was real..but yeah, I do remember it.
>A source close to the defense told ABC News that the weapon's damage was "very problematic," since it is a key piece of evidence that led to involuntary manslaughter charges against Baldwin
He was so handsome. Love Beetlejuice.
they also said they reconstructed it, and it worked correctly, but how can you determine that the reconstruction didn't fix it? Seems like the FBI fricked something up but i don't know what that process involves
Give it to me straight, bros.
Is he guilty?
yes, to be blunt.
the rest it literally dancing and acting, a show.
No. As much I hate him. The armorer fricked things up royally. I do think that they found a bunch of issues during production and he being a producer should answer for this in some way, but murder? No.
When I am eventually not charged with any crime, I'll come find you so you can apologize. I'll find you anon
When you VOTE CORRECTLY, you DESERVE to KILL WITH IMMUNITY. Save Alec to own the rightoids!
* ImPUNity
Baldwin said in his first interview that he was asked if he wanted to check the gun and he said no.
He's cooked.
He knew exactly what he was doing. The movie was going to be shit so he needed an insurance payout to cover his ass.
>insurance payout to cover his ass.
He's selling off all his property because he knows he's fricked.
They're right you know
This provides great insight into the sort of person who's defending Baldwin. They side with Baldwin because they see him as a liberal icon and assume that anybody who prosecutes him for a crime must be a conservative.
Murdering cinematographers to drum up publicity for your movie is pretty based ngl
it's pretty early in the year to be such a strong KWABOTY contender
>*kek* yeah I killed the fricking b***h. You should've seen it, god it was hilarious!
How do we know that this "Alec Baldwin" really even exists?
why do libs get so defensive when the people go after obvious 1% murdering psychopatgs
Because they've been conditioned to think they're rebels for sucking corporate wiener.