People think that the point of the movie is about the sex party because it's mysterious and salacious, and it's human nature to get all scandalized and dwell on things like this, but the movie is really more about the power and danger of sex itself, and not getting out of your depth - not so much even at a social or class level, but wrt what you can handle in the face of your own nature and impulses
That said the more we've all learned by now, I do think it's likely Kubrick, at the social strata he was at and the friends he likely had, probably was aware of things like this
People forget that these kinds of things have always been taken as a given, like old 'classic' porn movies often depicted this kind of scenario (see Behind the Green Door for instance), even with the plot involving trafficked people, because it was just taken as a given that like aristocratic billionaires in Malta would have little parties like this sometimes. I mean poor people would have parties like this sometimes too (although diff setting / culture obv). It takes all kinds
This. If you watch Traumnovelle it has the same secret society thing. I think the just the rumors about the orgy scene originally being little girls and that Kubrick didn't get final editing cut because he died is what create the legend.
Kings didn't live in the age of cameras, high publicity and so on. Kubrick's movie productions involved constant overseeing by Leon Vitali and a group of happy few. That includes casting. He liked to have his family around at all times. This type of blind item cringe fanfic gossip is just sad depressed types making up plausible deniability "rumors".
Around, say, literally 3-5% of the wild rumours irresponsibly posted turn out to be vaguely true. It's a literal handful of schizo gays trying to smear celebs
Here's how it works generally >A person has some kind of fetish fantasy about a celebrity, and makes up a story to act it out
or >A person has a dislike of some particular celebrity, and creates a vague story intended to "sound" possible and smear them.
For instance >This A list actress has been causing major problems on the set of a long running blockbuster franchise, refusing to do more than one take, despite being a newcomer. They have had frequent fights with a veteran actress of the franchise who has threatened to walk off set if they don't shape up.
I just made that up, and even though it's vague, it's using clear identifying language to easily point someone to "conclude" it's Brie Larson, Michelle Rodriguez and Fast X. Combine that with the fact that Larson has a considerable hate base on the internet, and they'll believe it without a second thought, there you go, a completely made up story to push a narrative against a celebrity, that'd be accepted as fact by this website.
I’d like to say I hate Hollywood, but I love it. You can take some random girl off the street, put her in some movies, and people will worship the ground she walks on. That’s power. It’s this big, but still exclusive club of beautiful and kinky people, plus lots of quirky “genius” characters all over the place. If even an eighth of the secret underbelly degenerate stuff happens (and why wouldn’t it?), it would be extremely liberating and pretty darn fun.
My problem with conspiracy theorists is just how much they dwell on the wrong details and manage to make everything out to be crazy or stupid or have some racist interpretation.
Like, there is immense cultural manipulation right there in front of you but the very nature of that manipulation is that it plays on these divisive narratives that always manage to skew and misdirect peoples' read on things.
Not that I want to people to, like, wake up in order to... I dunno, free themselves or something? What can you even do? I have no political view on it all. For me it's almost more like the issue of temptation in religion. There is a big, bad faith actor out there that is constantly trying to bait everyone, collectively and individually, with things they shouldn't be getting caught up in. I don't see this dynamic as coming from a nefarious place, it's more just the product of distributed bureaucracies and incentivisation structures and the cynical actors within them cutting corners to fill quotas, in the same way marketers push toxic impulses and narratives as well - it's just easier to distract and mislead than to try to actually improve the culture (although of course there are efforts, politically / culturally etc towards that as well, it's a mix). But I think a lot of very fricked up policy is sort of baked into the machinery now and people should be more aware of it so they can just be on-guard and in better control of their own perception and impulses, and not get drawn into destructive narratives just because some pathetic political party or various NGO's or whatever want to make little power grabs
Conspiracy theorists' main problem is that they think they are the only unfoolable person in the world, and that conspiracies all go one way (usually conveniently lining up with their own political beliefs).
>Generalizing this hard
I believe in several conspiracy theories, and walked away from plenty of them after proof was given to the contrary, seeing my stupidity. Rejecting all conspiracy theories at face value is actually worse. Why wouldn't you entertain other scenarios than what is fed to you by the mainstream? It's literally good exercise for the brain to think of, if nothing else
Conspiracy theorists' main problem is that they think they are the only unfoolable person in the world, and that conspiracies all go one way (usually conveniently lining up with their own political beliefs).
There WAS a secret paedophile island visited by politicians and celebrities, the federal reserve WAS created in secret by private monopolists to empower themselves and there ARE chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay. Can conspiracy theorists be so easily ignored given what is now public knowledge?
no, that's different. sure, the leaders of the world used to do bad things without the public knowing, but they wouldn't do that anymore. they have our best interests at heart
filtered. its not about le secret society. this is unironically a movie for men. women will never understand this film
If you men only knew
why women hug them over the shoulders
People think that the point of the movie is about the sex party because it's mysterious and salacious, and it's human nature to get all scandalized and dwell on things like this, but the movie is really more about the power and danger of sex itself, and not getting out of your depth - not so much even at a social or class level, but wrt what you can handle in the face of your own nature and impulses
That said the more we've all learned by now, I do think it's likely Kubrick, at the social strata he was at and the friends he likely had, probably was aware of things like this
People forget that these kinds of things have always been taken as a given, like old 'classic' porn movies often depicted this kind of scenario (see Behind the Green Door for instance), even with the plot involving trafficked people, because it was just taken as a given that like aristocratic billionaires in Malta would have little parties like this sometimes. I mean poor people would have parties like this sometimes too (although diff setting / culture obv). It takes all kinds
It's a movie about finding out that everyone is getting action except for you
The best scene is cruise getting bullied for being gay
>GO BACK TO SAN DIEGO, homosexual
man in his late 70s who was known for never sleeping and overworking himself, who used to smoke cigarettes..LE DIES?
This. If you watch Traumnovelle it has the same secret society thing. I think the just the rumors about the orgy scene originally being little girls and that Kubrick didn't get final editing cut because he died is what create the legend.
they cant keep getting away with it
What a humblebrag
100% bullshit because Kubrick was always surround by a few chosen people, almost like a king in Versailles
Yeah and kings never got up to any nasty business
Kubrick = Cincinnatus
Kings didn't live in the age of cameras, high publicity and so on. Kubrick's movie productions involved constant overseeing by Leon Vitali and a group of happy few. That includes casting. He liked to have his family around at all times. This type of blind item cringe fanfic gossip is just sad depressed types making up plausible deniability "rumors".
Yeah and there's no way his "happy few" "family" kept secrets for him
Just stop projecting already and start wondering about your own obsessions
Is that site legit, like proven?
Yes
Absolutely not. It's fanfiction. Hell we've had people from Cinemaphile send in made up items and get them published there.
Around, say, literally 3-5% of the wild rumours irresponsibly posted turn out to be vaguely true. It's a literal handful of schizo gays trying to smear celebs
Here's how it works generally
>A person has some kind of fetish fantasy about a celebrity, and makes up a story to act it out
or
>A person has a dislike of some particular celebrity, and creates a vague story intended to "sound" possible and smear them.
For instance
>This A list actress has been causing major problems on the set of a long running blockbuster franchise, refusing to do more than one take, despite being a newcomer. They have had frequent fights with a veteran actress of the franchise who has threatened to walk off set if they don't shape up.
I just made that up, and even though it's vague, it's using clear identifying language to easily point someone to "conclude" it's Brie Larson, Michelle Rodriguez and Fast X. Combine that with the fact that Larson has a considerable hate base on the internet, and they'll believe it without a second thought, there you go, a completely made up story to push a narrative against a celebrity, that'd be accepted as fact by this website.
Yeah
F Stanley Kubrick
Kubrick is dead?
no dumbass they got him because he made Barry Lyndon
I’d like to say I hate Hollywood, but I love it. You can take some random girl off the street, put her in some movies, and people will worship the ground she walks on. That’s power. It’s this big, but still exclusive club of beautiful and kinky people, plus lots of quirky “genius” characters all over the place. If even an eighth of the secret underbelly degenerate stuff happens (and why wouldn’t it?), it would be extremely liberating and pretty darn fun.
Yet somehow they forgot to stop it releasing? Your conspiracy theories are the most braindead shit.
My problem with conspiracy theorists is just how much they dwell on the wrong details and manage to make everything out to be crazy or stupid or have some racist interpretation.
Like, there is immense cultural manipulation right there in front of you but the very nature of that manipulation is that it plays on these divisive narratives that always manage to skew and misdirect peoples' read on things.
Not that I want to people to, like, wake up in order to... I dunno, free themselves or something? What can you even do? I have no political view on it all. For me it's almost more like the issue of temptation in religion. There is a big, bad faith actor out there that is constantly trying to bait everyone, collectively and individually, with things they shouldn't be getting caught up in. I don't see this dynamic as coming from a nefarious place, it's more just the product of distributed bureaucracies and incentivisation structures and the cynical actors within them cutting corners to fill quotas, in the same way marketers push toxic impulses and narratives as well - it's just easier to distract and mislead than to try to actually improve the culture (although of course there are efforts, politically / culturally etc towards that as well, it's a mix). But I think a lot of very fricked up policy is sort of baked into the machinery now and people should be more aware of it so they can just be on-guard and in better control of their own perception and impulses, and not get drawn into destructive narratives just because some pathetic political party or various NGO's or whatever want to make little power grabs
Conspiracy theorists' main problem is that they think they are the only unfoolable person in the world, and that conspiracies all go one way (usually conveniently lining up with their own political beliefs).
>Generalizing this hard
I believe in several conspiracy theories, and walked away from plenty of them after proof was given to the contrary, seeing my stupidity. Rejecting all conspiracy theories at face value is actually worse. Why wouldn't you entertain other scenarios than what is fed to you by the mainstream? It's literally good exercise for the brain to think of, if nothing else
I rejected conspiracy theorists.
because of a fallacious generalization. what you're describing is literal schizophrenia.
There WAS a secret paedophile island visited by politicians and celebrities, the federal reserve WAS created in secret by private monopolists to empower themselves and there ARE chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay. Can conspiracy theorists be so easily ignored given what is now public knowledge?
no, that's different. sure, the leaders of the world used to do bad things without the public knowing, but they wouldn't do that anymore. they have our best interests at heart
Because it was boring as frick