You could with Batman if you're the sort of person that engages in over simplification to force a point. You couldn't do it honestly. There's enough of a character to Batman to be adapted, and its why his adaptations fair so much better than Deadshot's.
In order for Deadshot to be good, Hollywood writers would need to create a new character that just happens to be good at shooting, and call him Deadshot, and as anyone knows, modern Hollywood writers aren't very good at their jobs.
>you're the sort of person that engages in over simplification
You mean exactly what you're doing?
>bullseye first appearence >1976 >deadshot (with mask and wrist guns) first appearence >1979
Bro if you want to throw stones Marvel has ripped off DC a good many times.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You mean exactly what you're doing?
No.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But you just said "Deadshot's story could be written on a toothpick", which is something you could do with Batman and a lot of characters.
Are you merely posting just to be the opposition?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The difference is that you could earnestly write Deadshot's story on a toothpick, while doing so with Batman would require intentionally over simplifying in order to force a point. Deadshot is not a real character, he's a low tier goon someone thought up in fifteen minutes, and someone else used in their story about low tier goons.
11 months ago
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Then why did you bring up Bullseye as being any better?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've never mentioned Bullseye in this thread.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you’re not
Because we have Bullseye at home
? Okay. Then why do you feel the need to compare a title book protagonist to that of an interchangeable antagonist? Bit unfair wouldn’t you say?
11 months ago
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>hen why do you feel the need to compare a title book protagonist to that of an interchangeable antagonist?
I don't. I said that Deadshot wasn't a real character, someone got offended and started saying that he and Batman have the same level of characterization. All I've really said is "no".
11 months ago
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And how is Deadshot not a “real character”? You’re not being very descriptive and coming off as biased
11 months ago
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Lack of personality or character traits. He's vaguely depressed shooter man.
11 months ago
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That’s extremely reductive, something you just accused someone else of being.
11 months ago
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I'm giving an accurate description. The other person was being reductive.
11 months ago
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>No u
This is why people are questioning you. Also your own post is contradictory. You claimed he lacked character traits, then proceeded to list character traits vaguely
11 months ago
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Depression isn't a character trait.
>
A character is as good as you write him. Take lego batman it's the same story, but pokes fun at batman story. >A character is as good as you write him
This is correct. When a character has already been written well its easier for modern writers to just take that and use it. When a character has never been written well and has always just been a cardboard cutout, like Deadshot, its a lot harder, especially with the shitters we have for writers today.
11 months ago
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I'm just going to ask, have you read Ostrander's Suicide Squad run, or his Deadshot miniseries?
11 months ago
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>DC comics aren't just for kids!
Come on buddy. I see people recommending comics here all the time, and they're nearly always garbage. There have been some great comics, but only a few.
11 months ago
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That is a cover blurb, not my opinion. I asked you the question, have you read he series? You mention great comics, what do you classify as a good comic?
11 months ago
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Can we talk about his cartoon adaptation?
11 months ago
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If I remember right, it's just Michael Rosenbaum doing his Kevin Spacey impersonation. Like when he voiced Ghoul on Batman Beyond and it was just his Christopher Walken impersonation.
11 months ago
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By far his best episode is task for X
He's more of a piece of shit in the animated justice league.
11 months ago
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Why did they give him such long eyelashes?
11 months ago
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Jobber.
11 months ago
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I liked him in the Suicide Squad animated movies when he was competing with Captain Boomerang as the expert marksman/TFX leader
11 months ago
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>Depression isn't a character trait.
Then why do you like Batman so much?
11 months ago
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That's a non sequitur
11 months ago
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It’s not
11 months ago
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Obviously it is.
11 months ago
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Batman isn't depressed
He's hungry
For justice!
11 months ago
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>depression isn't a character trait
Unrelated but what about addiction?
11 months ago
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No, these are things fanfic writers mistake for characterization and personality, and then the industry is dominated by upjumped fanfic writers so that's all we get.
11 months ago
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Like batman, Lawton was fleshed out over time to become a better character than he began. Characters often become greater than they started, especially when a talented writer gives a damn. Other great examples are Floronic Man/Jason Woodrue, Swamp Thing and Mr. Freeze.
11 months ago
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Showing up as "Batman, but with guns" as a cover to advance your own criminal aims seems viable enough
Are you some sort of casual that seems to think Deadshot only existed on The Suicide Squad? Task Force X also was popular BEFORE Harley started appearing on the book.
Feels like you're just saying things to either be contrarian or fit in around here
11 months ago
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Deadshot would not be popular are relevant without suicide squad
11 months ago
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That was the point of the original Suicide Squad, take b-tier villains and prop them up, giving them room to develop thir character.
He's boring and one-note as an antagonist, but Secret Six made me come around on him. Plus his original Batman appearances as a fellow rich philanthropist-turned-vigilante as a thin excuse for hunting humans for sport are kind of neat.
That was a really, REALLY weird change. Wintergreen being a Deathstroke just seemed like such a last minute writing jumble to get out of killing DS way too early.
I think it could've worked if they had the first Deathstroke switch sides eventually, but I guess they wanted their red herring so they made these masks as a part of Australian glowie spec ops outfit. I actually liked the scene where Oliver finds the mask and assumes Slade is Wintergreen.
I forget if he came out in Arrow or The flash. But pretty much exactly what I wanted as far as an adaptation is comcerned.
Smallville is very much, let's pick a comic book villain, get a basic jhist of his character and run with it.
Suicide squad aka Will Smith. Is very much Will Smith is a paid assassin. But it's nit as bad as you think he's clearly having fun in the role. I just wish they didn't tie his character to being a batman villain because he very much isn't.
How many (live action) adaptations has Black Canary had? None of them have been good from what I can recall
and she's literally the easiest character to make work in "real life" since she barely even has an outrageous costume and her powers are "good at karate"
basically every Cynthia Rothrock movie from 80s to the 90s has already done it.
Probably the worst by far is the birds of prey
Batman the brave and the bold is a fun take.
The justice league is again one of my favorite version of her.
Young justice is okay.
poor lass. she gets adapted in Arrow and Smallville and both adaptations instead of ending up with Green Arrow, Green Arrow ends up with the techie nerd hacker girl and Canary fricks off
They should make an assassin character called "One Shot" because he can kill anyone with just one bullet no matter the situations
also he only ever appears in a single issue and never comes back
What I like about Arrow's Deadshot is this glowing red eyepatch. I wish more characters in general had it, thought it was cool ever since watching Nightman as a kid.
Victor Zsasz has had FOUR fricking live action appearances and none of them are good. Maybe Gotham as an exception but the fact that he never makes a scar/only makes it when he kills cops (despite rarely killing a cop) drags him down.
And it's crazy because Zsasz should be more of a threat. I remember those comics where he's in Arkham and has Joker level security because if you give him access to anything he'll use it as a weapon. When he escapes Arkham it's either all hands on deck or it's a huge problem because he's so unpredictable. Even in the Arkham Asylum games you couldn't fight him head on because he would've killed everyone and then you.
Let me state the pattern with all of these portrayals.
They're all fricking hitmen. They're not lone wolf serial killers, they're guns for hire. You can say it's the same thing except hitmen take the money, but no.
Hitmen can be reasoned with if you have money or simply don't piss off someone enough who'd want to pay for your death most of the time. A serial killer could attack you pretty much because it feels right to them which is a lot scarier and more unpredictable.
Also Arkham did him well, so I have no idea why they keep doing this hitman shit. It's just boring.
Who was the guy who had the electronic monocle? He was around during the Sacha Bordeaux era and seemed to be a good match for Bruce in terms of combat skills. Bring him. Frick Prof. Pyg. And all these wannabes
>off the wall AR
Wonder why
He's not a good character, so adaptations have little to work with.
And how is Lawton a bad character?
He's not a character at all. You could write his life story on a toothpick.
You could with Batman and several other characters. What's your point?
And why is a Marvel character relevant to this dicussion?
You could with Batman if you're the sort of person that engages in over simplification to force a point. You couldn't do it honestly. There's enough of a character to Batman to be adapted, and its why his adaptations fair so much better than Deadshot's.
In order for Deadshot to be good, Hollywood writers would need to create a new character that just happens to be good at shooting, and call him Deadshot, and as anyone knows, modern Hollywood writers aren't very good at their jobs.
>you're the sort of person that engages in over simplification
You mean exactly what you're doing?
Bro if you want to throw stones Marvel has ripped off DC a good many times.
>You mean exactly what you're doing?
No.
But you just said "Deadshot's story could be written on a toothpick", which is something you could do with Batman and a lot of characters.
Are you merely posting just to be the opposition?
The difference is that you could earnestly write Deadshot's story on a toothpick, while doing so with Batman would require intentionally over simplifying in order to force a point. Deadshot is not a real character, he's a low tier goon someone thought up in fifteen minutes, and someone else used in their story about low tier goons.
Then why did you bring up Bullseye as being any better?
I've never mentioned Bullseye in this thread.
So you’re not
? Okay. Then why do you feel the need to compare a title book protagonist to that of an interchangeable antagonist? Bit unfair wouldn’t you say?
>hen why do you feel the need to compare a title book protagonist to that of an interchangeable antagonist?
I don't. I said that Deadshot wasn't a real character, someone got offended and started saying that he and Batman have the same level of characterization. All I've really said is "no".
And how is Deadshot not a “real character”? You’re not being very descriptive and coming off as biased
Lack of personality or character traits. He's vaguely depressed shooter man.
That’s extremely reductive, something you just accused someone else of being.
I'm giving an accurate description. The other person was being reductive.
>No u
This is why people are questioning you. Also your own post is contradictory. You claimed he lacked character traits, then proceeded to list character traits vaguely
Depression isn't a character trait.
>
A character is as good as you write him. Take lego batman it's the same story, but pokes fun at batman story.
>A character is as good as you write him
This is correct. When a character has already been written well its easier for modern writers to just take that and use it. When a character has never been written well and has always just been a cardboard cutout, like Deadshot, its a lot harder, especially with the shitters we have for writers today.
I'm just going to ask, have you read Ostrander's Suicide Squad run, or his Deadshot miniseries?
>DC comics aren't just for kids!
Come on buddy. I see people recommending comics here all the time, and they're nearly always garbage. There have been some great comics, but only a few.
That is a cover blurb, not my opinion. I asked you the question, have you read he series? You mention great comics, what do you classify as a good comic?
Can we talk about his cartoon adaptation?
If I remember right, it's just Michael Rosenbaum doing his Kevin Spacey impersonation. Like when he voiced Ghoul on Batman Beyond and it was just his Christopher Walken impersonation.
By far his best episode is task for X
He's more of a piece of shit in the animated justice league.
Why did they give him such long eyelashes?
Jobber.
I liked him in the Suicide Squad animated movies when he was competing with Captain Boomerang as the expert marksman/TFX leader
>Depression isn't a character trait.
Then why do you like Batman so much?
That's a non sequitur
It’s not
Obviously it is.
Batman isn't depressed
He's hungry
For justice!
>depression isn't a character trait
Unrelated but what about addiction?
No, these are things fanfic writers mistake for characterization and personality, and then the industry is dominated by upjumped fanfic writers so that's all we get.
Like batman, Lawton was fleshed out over time to become a better character than he began. Characters often become greater than they started, especially when a talented writer gives a damn. Other great examples are Floronic Man/Jason Woodrue, Swamp Thing and Mr. Freeze.
Showing up as "Batman, but with guns" as a cover to advance your own criminal aims seems viable enough
>bullseye first appearence
>1976
>deadshot (with mask and wrist guns) first appearence
>1979
Cope
mald
A character is as good as you write him. Take lego batman it's the same story, but pokes fun at batman story.
Because we have Bullseye at home
What's so great about Bullseye?
He's not reliant on some lame ass team of villains that's only popular because of a clown b***h who has nothing to do with clowns
Are you some sort of casual that seems to think Deadshot only existed on The Suicide Squad? Task Force X also was popular BEFORE Harley started appearing on the book.
Feels like you're just saying things to either be contrarian or fit in around here
Deadshot would not be popular are relevant without suicide squad
That was the point of the original Suicide Squad, take b-tier villains and prop them up, giving them room to develop thir character.
Someone didn’t read the original Suicide Squad.
He's boring and one-note as an antagonist, but Secret Six made me come around on him. Plus his original Batman appearances as a fellow rich philanthropist-turned-vigilante as a thin excuse for hunting humans for sport are kind of neat.
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>all kino, even the lois and clark one which had zero connection to the comics
how did he do it?
The only kino one was Titans. Arrow overstayed his welcome.
One of those is Billy Wintergreen, doesn't count.
That was a really, REALLY weird change. Wintergreen being a Deathstroke just seemed like such a last minute writing jumble to get out of killing DS way too early.
I think it could've worked if they had the first Deathstroke switch sides eventually, but I guess they wanted their red herring so they made these masks as a part of Australian glowie spec ops outfit. I actually liked the scene where Oliver finds the mask and assumes Slade is Wintergreen.
I unironically want the cartoon to rehash "The Grim Reaper can swing his scythe at me, but now I am beyond Death's stroke"
The Arrow version was good tho
>give me the non-union deathstroke
>give me the non-pederast deathstroke
His character is either muh depression or muh daughter
I forget if he came out in Arrow or The flash. But pretty much exactly what I wanted as far as an adaptation is comcerned.
Smallville is very much, let's pick a comic book villain, get a basic jhist of his character and run with it.
Suicide squad aka Will Smith. Is very much Will Smith is a paid assassin. But it's nit as bad as you think he's clearly having fun in the role. I just wish they didn't tie his character to being a batman villain because he very much isn't.
How many (live action) adaptations has Black Canary had? None of them have been good from what I can recall
and she's literally the easiest character to make work in "real life" since she barely even has an outrageous costume and her powers are "good at karate"
basically every Cynthia Rothrock movie from 80s to the 90s has already done it.
Probably the worst by far is the birds of prey
Batman the brave and the bold is a fun take.
The justice league is again one of my favorite version of her.
Young justice is okay.
Forgot pic
Gross
What do you think of Arrow's version(s)? Though the whole thing is such a mess, I can understans why you'd exclude it.
Remember when they had her sister replace her and then they made her into a bawd?
poor lass. she gets adapted in Arrow and Smallville and both adaptations instead of ending up with Green Arrow, Green Arrow ends up with the techie nerd hacker girl and Canary fricks off
They should make an assassin character called "One Shot" because he can kill anyone with just one bullet no matter the situations
also he only ever appears in a single issue and never comes back
What I like about Arrow's Deadshot is this glowing red eyepatch. I wish more characters in general had it, thought it was cool ever since watching Nightman as a kid.
Arrowverse had some good costume choices
Victor Zsasz has had FOUR fricking live action appearances and none of them are good. Maybe Gotham as an exception but the fact that he never makes a scar/only makes it when he kills cops (despite rarely killing a cop) drags him down.
And it's crazy because Zsasz should be more of a threat. I remember those comics where he's in Arkham and has Joker level security because if you give him access to anything he'll use it as a weapon. When he escapes Arkham it's either all hands on deck or it's a huge problem because he's so unpredictable. Even in the Arkham Asylum games you couldn't fight him head on because he would've killed everyone and then you.
But he's just a background character now!
Let me state the pattern with all of these portrayals.
They're all fricking hitmen. They're not lone wolf serial killers, they're guns for hire. You can say it's the same thing except hitmen take the money, but no.
Hitmen can be reasoned with if you have money or simply don't piss off someone enough who'd want to pay for your death most of the time. A serial killer could attack you pretty much because it feels right to them which is a lot scarier and more unpredictable.
Also Arkham did him well, so I have no idea why they keep doing this hitman shit. It's just boring.
I don't even really like Zsasz all that much. I think he's being overused. We need to bring back Cornelius Stirk or the Cavalier.
I want Abattoir in a major DC movie, but oh well.
Who was the guy who had the electronic monocle? He was around during the Sacha Bordeaux era and seemed to be a good match for Bruce in terms of combat skills. Bring him. Frick Prof. Pyg. And all these wannabes
how the frick did teen titans 2005 do it