They're not gonna get any better, are they?
The worst part isn't that everything they have is trash or remembering how good it used to be. The worst part is realizing it can't be fixed - the expectation that they'll just continue to do worse and worse, and any course correction will be botched.
Should just give up hope.
the only thing worth reading is black label and most of that is fricking shit.
Absolutely nothing from black label has been worth the price of admission.
What's your beef?
Short question with a complicated answer. I guess my main "beef" is that I don't get a sense things are improving. I could stomach a bad batch of funnybooks, even a bad year or two, if there was a sense that the people at the office are scrambling to fix things, and have a roughly similar idea as the readers as to what needs fixing. I used to get that during previous bad eras and got through them. But now there's none of that, only vibe I get from DC is a mixture of ignorance ("we don't know what you want"), apathy ("we don't care what you want") and hostility ("we care and we'll snub you out of spite"). That's my beef.
With DC especially I wouldn't be surprised if this is more than just chasing the market zeitgeist (after all the other big publishers pump out a fair amount of cynically and unrepentantly bad shit every year), but directly related to being downsized repeatedly to fit into the Burbank offices.
Think about it: first they were going to do it to save money, but that was 2015, when they didn't need a NY office even if moving to LA was going to cost them long-time staff because wfh was rarer. Then they were in the LA office on the WB lot and people were breathing down their necks about how successful their comic book properties could be made. It's not about sales, it's the old "IP farm" argument Cinemaphile used to make to explain why DC didn't fold years ago. Except for real, with producers demanding to know which Batman was the best to adapt.
But at the same time you've got Geoff Johns who already does that for his day job running things, you've got old-timer writer/artists running things, the only non-comics project DC Entertainment is working on that has any success is a series of terrible OVA. And then it dawns on them in the office: they're not getting promoted. There's no career path from DC Comics to WB proper. They're just drones doing a thankless job for peanuts in a town that's even worse to live in than NY was. DC's management keeps changing, demands keep being made, targets keep being missed (which isn't entirely DCs fault, given they did try shaking up distribution, even if the product remains crap), and nothing they do is good enough. Management names who insisted on the move have almost all left now. Last year they got shuffled around the lot again, to smaller offices. The eternal benchmark of success and respect.
Why would you care about a job that doesn't give you the tools to succeed, and saddles you with idiots who talk big but can't deliver?
Fair point. Huge problem with American comic companies is that because comics themselves don't make a lot of money, they don't think comics themselves are important, nor the people making them or reading them. It's all about the movies, TV shows and other tangetially related shit.
Hate to drag the east-vs-west into this, but in Japan the manga itself is the main product because it does make money by itself, and the various licenses and merch and such are just extra on top, and that difference affects the whole attitude of the business.
Their main continuity? Impossible.
I doubt they'll ever publish a good comic again.
They're publishing good comics right now.
>Venditti
>good
Lmao I'm just waiting for the obligatory troony pandering to show up in 1930s new york, surely it won't feel preachy and awkward
nope
mediocre and boring.
that cover art is top notch.
The interiors are just as good. I love that style.
It's basically over for them until they do a clean sweep of editorial, talent, etc. and just deboot back to a streamlined version of the pre-Flashpoint, maybe one where Infinite Crisis didn't actually result in the multiverse coming back so they can't keep doing shitty multiverse stories.
What's happening? Some report came out?
They released more slop annocuments. Sales are getting worse. Continuity is a mess. Characters are all over the place.
Where can I look at sales?
Do you avatar gay for a reason? Do you even know what a tripcode is? I mean, I appreciate the sentiment you have there, but you talk like a total homosexual. How new are you?
DC's publishing lots of good stuff now, and I'm excited for Waid and Mora's event this year.
>2024 and people are still slurping up event shit
You are the problem.
I am looking forward to this one because of the very talented writer and artist. I am also loving many of the ongoing titles from DC.
What titles would you recommend checking out right now?
I'm really loving Green Lantern. The John Stewart one is good too, but the Hal Jordan book is exactly what I like comics to be. Action packed and fun without being too quippy. I don't see how anyone could hate Batman/Superman World's Finest. I think both Superman books are good, although Action Comics just changed format where it'll be a different creative team every few issues for a short story, so we'll see how it goes. Also I know Tom King is controversial but I'm liking The Penguin.
For miniseries, right now Wesley Dodds and Jay Garrick have really good six issue books going, and last year there was a Doom Patrol mini that was really funny.
>2 shills happened to post and bump this dead thread in a similar timeframe.
Yeah that's not suspecious at all.
>shills
While I don't keep up with current comics, you are a toxic moron for *automatically* denying the possibility that a writer who has been good in the past (Waid) could be writing something good.
Look inside yourself and exorcise your crippling autism.
>Shill playing dumb
kek
low effort anon, low effort
You'll always have the glorious New Earth (Crisis on Infinite Earths to Flashpoint) era. And lots of fun Silver and Golden Age material before then. That's 70+ years of comics, you'll never run out of material.
how many times are you going to make this thread OP?
Threads like these always devolved into "How do we save muh industry" circle jerks. Usually followed by manga dickriders who don't know anything about the manga industry.
You're all wrong. Every single one of you.
The company is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.
>Should just give up hope.
Stop coping about DC being great again and move on. Don't even give them attention if you can. If they ever release something that isn't a turd, chances are that you'll hear about it.
World's Finest
Waid's Shazam
Godzilla x Kong x JL
Batman and Scooby Doo
Hellblazer
>not amazing but needlessly buried by the same ol contrarians who can't actually articulate their points without seething
Superman
Detective Comics
Batman and Robin
Poison Ivy
Green Lantern
Green Arrow
The Flash
Blue Beetle
>Hellblazer
You mean the series that introduced a character who complains about the slavery of "white women" only for her to turn out to be a villain? A villain who murders a white woman by proxy while a Black guy escapes scott free?
Frick off.
And there it is.
>reeeee social commentary in my Hellblazer!!! It's never been like this!!!!
That's not "social commentary". That's propaganda.
Can't wait for this series to get cancelled as well.
Name a Hellblazer story you actually liked
That's the thing, people here say that comics are complete shit, when that's just plainly not true. Almost all of them are at least okay. The truly terrible ones are the minority.
I need DC to publish 52 floppies a month, no more than $2.99 an issue, and the art should be exceptional and the paper quality should be the best and I don't want pointless relaunches, each series has to 50+ issues and I don't want pointless crossovers and events but everything should feel interconnected and maturing with age.
Those ARE terrible.
Not an argument
Companies like DC and Marvel can never go bankrupt due to being owned by megacorporations backing them.
If they tried to do any of the shit their doing today without being backed-up they'd fold a few years ago.
No. You'll have a few titles you personally enjoy, here and there, but overall the quality will continue to diminish; you'll continue to have the same shitty writers retreading the same stories, more forced diversity that makes no sense, and idiotic events that lead to nothing changing.