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I do, it's just that they're all at least 60 now.
Frick Hollywood now and everything that comes from them.
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Why do actors deserve 2% of the profit when they've already been paid? Do the studios take their salary back if the movie flops?
They spend their money like water in a place that already charges them 20-50K a year in property taxes.
How do they gage what an individual movie makes on streaming? I'm a moron and can't figure this out.
They use something called Parrot Analytics' Content Valuation system, you can see all the maths about it here:
https://www.parrotanalytics.com/strategy/how-to-measure-the-value-of-content-in-the-attention-economy/
>profit
No, anon, they want 2% of the REVENUE.
>they want 2% of the REVENUE.
LOL greed is funny.
>greed
I hate actors, but this is so studios can't use hollyisraelite accounting to say blockbusters are unprofitable.
always ask for a piece of the gross, not the net or profit, those numbers are fantasy.
Because creative people(i refuse to call them artists) spend 90% of their "professional lives" doing stuff that they don't get paid for. Like networking, auditions, pitching ideas/scripts, seeking inspiration. All stuff that is vital to their career but not directly and especially not in service of anybody but themselves so nobody is going to pay them for that "work". So in order for them to be able to still chase that dream they have to find other revenue streams. That is where royalties come in. But it's at best supplemental, not a "living wage". That's the whole crux of the strike. Studios that keep making money with that product and actors that get a very small slice of that pie.
that's true for businessmen and lawyers, they spend a lot of time networking and trying to put deals together that don't always get done. actors are mostly homosexuals who don't do real work and want to be treated differently than everyone else. frick 'em.
Those lawyers and businessmen have that networking paid for by the company credit card or written off as a business expense.
what about other freelance work like contractors, plumbers, exterminators, really anyone who is self employed or gets their payment directly from costumers.
Hell, what about everyone else who has to go on job interviews, fill out applications, and resumes, travel to work ever day. SHIT it's almost like this is how having a job works. You do get payment for every little thing you do on your own. You get paid for services rendered.
If your union sucks, maybe. I get to register every minute of work-related effort I put in.
>Illustrates why people can't stand union workers.
>Naw we deserve to get paid for three of us watching another guy dig a hole for half a year
who pays those minutes, the people who hire you?
who else?
cope
>who else. Hur Hur Hur
wow, I hope you catch AIDS and die tonight. A homosexual like you can't imagine why more people aren't siding with your kind.
You hate me because I don't work for free?
I hate you because you freely admit to bilking people for shit that isn't actually work.
and you would be the first to screech if you found out people were dojng that to you.
But hell, lets apply this attitude to everyone just like the writers and actors want. That car you use to get to your job, now pay royalties to the people who made it. That coffee you drink on the job, pay royalties to Starbucks to. Any tools you use, well someone made and sold those tools pay up annually.
Someone has to pay those people, WHO ELSE but you?
When did I say I expected royalties?
You act like getting paid for preparation and putting in out-of-office effort is somehow entitlement. Expecting me to work for free is what's entitled.
You do know what thread is about what what posts you were responding to, right.
> getting paid for preparation and putting in out-of-office effort is somehow entitlement.
>I deserve to be paid for the hours I spent getting dressed and looking for jobs.
yes that's pretty fricking entitled.
just become an animation producer. it's way easier than developing skills and tallent, also if you are a female you can sleep your way in AND animators are pushovers so its like easy money and no one seems to be catching on to it
welcome to the working world, where everyone has to do shit they don't get paid for.
>seeking inspiration.
really?
>really?
You'd be surprised how many career "creatives" take stupidly expensive trips around the world to seek inspiration for whatever they are working on.
and if they think they deserve to be paid for that , they can go frick themselves.
I like architecture and sometimes youtube shills me house tour vids. I've seen a few that were described as a project paid for by an unnamed writer or other creative type, "to find inspiration for something he was working on". They basically buy acres of land in the middle of nowhere, build a small modern glass mansion there and call it part of their work. They live in a bizarre reality compared to the average person.
Before streaming services it was the norm for actors to get residuals for TV show reruns. A single season of a show could run for years on many channels and they'd keep getting money for it.
That kind of business model doesn't exist anymore. TV shows are more popular than ever, shows are watched for more hours, and once they're on a streaming service they're there forever. It's not fair that actors get paid much less when the shows they star in are huge successes.
At the same time, all streaming service giants are operating at a loss and most likely couldn't sustain giving out residuals.
This is why every streaming site is either adding ads or pushing versions with ads.
I'm so pissed every fricking studio went full moron and turned streaming into Cable 2.
>once they're on a streaming service they're there forever
That's what people thought, anon, but it's not true.
Why does Disney have the right to profit off of Predator but the actors and crew don't?
because they paid to own Predator. the actors and crew didn't
Actors and crew made it. They should get a cut in perpetuity. The rise of streaming and the obfuscation of creators rights with massive studio buy outs and licensing. This is a great illustration of why there needs to be an industry wide renegotiation. Actors should get 1% crew 3% producers 1.5% in perpetuity when they die, their cut is inheritedby their estate.
They were paid to make it.
When you pay someone to do something for you, do you keep paying them afterwards every time you use the thing?
Yes, that's called a licensing fee and they are normal in business.
It's a licensing fee if everyone agreed to it at the time. Not every transaction is licensing.
You pay someone to work on your house, you're not licensing the house. You don't owe the contractor residuals from anything to do in that house.
Why should workers get to stay home during christmas or new years eve, or really any holiday, and some people even get paied while staying home, how does that make sense mr Goldsrein?
Every job is diferent, most people stay in the same company for years, decaes even, and they know that every week/month they'll get that check. Most actors have ZERO job security, no safety net, no fixed salary, no benefits, nothing! They go from gig to gig, and who knows when the next one is gonna be.
Why is it so hard for morons to understand that every line of work has diferent rules? Nobody is forcing studios to do anything, they're negotiating, and I'm sure executives are gonna be just fine.
>Most actors have ZERO job security, no safety net, no fixed salary, no benefits, nothing! They go from gig to gig, and who knows when the next one is gonna be.
They could get a real job.
You think everyone else is working their dream job? people made a choice for a job they hate but provides security or the fun job where the rules are like this. You want to play actor, you're not entitled to a fixed salary
Why do right wingers simp for rich people and corporations so hard
>thinks we care about either side when we just want to watch the whole crap factory burn to the ground.
Why do left wingers do the same?
Cause the writers and actors are left wingers who havent made anything good in over a decade, they make nothing but politically correct shit
This is a bot right
no duh it is
stop asking questions troony
Succesful actors earn millions by playing pretend. They don't deserve shit. t. a socialist doctor
I hate modern woke actors but realistically it's the consumers that are going to have to pay these raises. I only pay for hbomax but regardless the price hikes will crush the common man
People will just unsubscribe from all but 1 or 2.
Exactly so the losses of subscribers will be huge. They should've just hired new actors and writers
NAW NAW. Those rich CEO's will SURELY take a cut on their salaries. They won't use this as an excuse to raise prices.
The CEOs share of all of this is incredibly tiny.
Imagine thinking the money these morons are striking for comes from the CEOs potential money when in reality it's money the business uses for future projects.
Smart CEOs get paid in share and options.
ALL CEO's are not taking a cut if they can dump the expense onto the consumer.
All leftist ideology comes from WEF's talking points.
Is this (You)?
Why do left wingers simp for poverty, economic inefficiency and technology hating luddites?
A low verbal IQ is the best predictor of whether someone is a left winger
They are less intelligent and far more evil than the average person.
They are some of the worst people mankind has to offer, they have strong psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies.
They fake virtue to satisfy their ego and support violent rioting, terrorism and distruption to satisfy their need for conflict
Nice reddit spacing
Wrong image
>streaming revenue
Kek, they still don't know do they?
I respect the actors, it’s the writers I have a problem with.
why would you respect any of these people?
I mean actors worth it could probably easily get that revenue cut.
If someone wanted Ryan Gosling in their new romcom and he said he wanted 10% of the streaming revenue they'd give it to him. Why should everyone get extra incentives for existing.
I'm sure they'll get it for this next contract but luckily we're only about twenty years away from AI writing and acting out pretty much every movie ever.
Why do right wingers simp for corporations so hard
Why are you such an NPC
are you just gonna keep repeating this shit throughout the thread?
What the frick is up with actors and writers thinking they should get a cut of the revenue? I've built software that made people millions and at no point did I feel entitled to a cut of revenue. I got hired to a job, I did it, I got paid, end of story.
>I'm a cuck for rich people, why aren't you too??
>I want multimillionaire actors to have more millions
That's you lmao
>Multi-millionaire actors
Do you really think the low level wagie scum actors of Hollywood are millionaires? The big movie stars are of course but your average sitcom actor or actress in some lifetime movie is lucky to even make six figures, which in LA is living in abject poverty
You do know that even before all this streaming nonsense, not everyone involved with the film got royalties. It was usually just the main actors and whatever was contracted for other people. Do you really think this helps the average peons in any way?
Just because you can make a million dollar product does not mean you can make a million dollars. Connections, marketing, bank roll etc matter more than any skill on the planet. If you think otherwise you don't understand this world. Why do you think directors work for companies instead of doing their own thing?
Lefties have a hard time understanding why they do that, just why you would want to work as a broker for a big company instead of being your own man and investing. You're using other people's money that isn't yours and you will still make a lot of money. Even if you flop or lose you can just move on to the next studio/firm because they will let you use that money for even a slight chance at you making them a lot more.
So directors are basically admitting they don't know if their next project will be a success but want to be paid regardless. Meanwhile studios don't know if a product will be profitable but the people involved want guarantees, do you not see the problem here?
You got paid and that was your cut of the revenue.
No, I built a product based on spec. I have built a lot of products for a lot of companies and many don't make it.
Isn't that the same case with these writers and actors?
Yes. The 2% figure is just an estimate for how much new salaries would amount to in comparison to total revenue. They're not asking for contracts that include a cut of gross revenue explicitly, that'd be insane. How would it even work? Have 50 actors on a project and they get 100% of revenue? Every actor splits the 2% figure? No, they just want bigger salaries.
Every single actor? The extra mulling around in the background, does he get a cut or are you belittling his contribution? You couldn't have any show with more than 50 actors with that math. Anything with an epic scale would become impossible. Even 10 actors would significantly eat into their revenue.
No, all the actors together will get a share of the 2%. And they already get 2% of theatrical releases, but currently they get nothing for streaming, that's why same day streaming releases are becoming more popular, because the studios get to keep all the money from it.
why just the actors? What about the rest of the crew?
They're free to strike and negotiate terms.
>What about the rest of the crew?
They are free to unionize and negotiate collectively if they would like. The Film Actors Guild is fighting to increase payments to film actors because those are who the members of their guild are.
so now everyone who did something and already got a check is owed a part of the residuals?
What if, they just don't get paid, and only get a cut of the profits. would that be fair. because I like that idea
>What if, they just don't get paid, and only get a cut of the profits. would that be fair. because I like that idea
Ever heard of Hollywood accounting?
still don't get why they should get anything from anything. They already got their paycheck.
Like other people said, if the film flops they don't give anything back.
It's like waiting jobs in the US, their wages are lower than they should be because they get a share of revenue on top of that like a tip, but with streaming their managers are keeping the tips.
Nobody goes to see a movie because of the key grip or steadycam operator.
nobody goes to a movie because of many actors in the film. All the actors get a cut even though maybe ONE is the draw? Do people even KNOW who is writing a particular show or movie but they all want a cut.
This is why this whole thing is unfeasible. People get a salary for their job and that's it. What's the problem.
>It's like waiting jobs in the US, their wages are lower than they should be because they get a share of revenue on top of that like a tip,
So then it's not the same. Because a tip is something voluntarily given by the customer. If audiences want to send a check to these people on their own, they can.
>a tip is something voluntarily given by the customer
That's what YOU think
It is when I tip. I don't know where you live.
Lmao you 16 year old socialists are so silly
If service is terrible you're not getting a tip
If you do a wagie dance I -might- give you 15%.
hope you like spit in your food
like they don't do that anyway
You tip after you eat, moron. Also nobody spits in your food
A very subtle taste and smell
It still aint the company giving them a tip.
All these demands by writers and actors to get % of streaming revenue is only going to result in more series and movies getting pulled off services entirely so studios don't have to pay them, which is what contributed to the strikes in the first place.
>hollywood is full of LE israeliteS! they're greedy and have run out of IDEAS!
>Wait, the actors and writers are forming a union?
>I SUPPORT HOLLYWOOD NOW!!!!
kek never change Cinemaphile
Whoah did you come up with this one yourself??
No but that doesn't change anything. Still true doe.
I hope they never reach a conclusion and hollywood remains in a limbo til studios bleed out
didnt Warner just completely change their business model for this and "unalive" all the shit they made only for streaming?
First world problems are so funny lol.
Jokes aside, it's crazy that around 90% of actors live in poverty. I mean, wth!
what does that mean actors get 2%?
is that 2% split across all the actors in the movie or just the main actors get 2% each
It'll be just the main actors and everyone else just go frick themselves, just like it's always been.
It means the terms they're asking for effectively means they'll get 2% of the revenue. Say you have a business with 10 employees and your company has a revenue of 10 million dollars a year, if those 10 employees get paid 100K on average they'll get 10% of the revenue. if they want 10K more each, they're now asking for 11%.
The reason it's phrased like this is because they're trying to make their demands seem reasonable by using the smallest possible number.
Dont forget how the studio's caved to 99% of what the writers were asking for after holding out for months.
It's so baffling. Producers are putting up millions of their own money for a movie that might not even make it all back. So it's high risk gambling essentially.
And actors think they deserve a piece of the reward for doing a low risk, essentially contract job?
Typical socialist mindset. It's like all the people working at Burger King complaining they're not getting paid enough for flipping burgers
>Their own money
Kek look at this moron. They get the money for free.
I don't care if Hollywood never makes another movie or television show. There are more than enough already to last a lifetime, not to mention foreign studios.
I support artists, but there are no artist in that strike. They are all acivists. And activists must burn in hell. Same hell as the big corpos.
I don't care about actor's revenue, what I care about is the big corpos having to release the actual abysmal numbers on their shitty series so the investors rightfully let them die.
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Hamas should leave Palestine and ask Israel to give up Hollywood in exchange, then they can behead Bryan Singer on AGT live.
Actors are cattle. Stop talking to them.
The Ancient Romans were right that actors are lower than prostitutes. Anyone can pretend to be someone else.
I think each viewer should get 1% of the streaming revenue. That would end piracy.
>studios
literally everybody with half a brain dont think its reasonable
Studios are greedy c**ts especially when it comes to streaming so frick the studios
2%of revenue == 2% gross (profit)
I hate it when non accountants talk business but don't know the basics of operation