>JJ movies look kickass and that's indisputable
Holy tastelet lol are you that impressed by lens flares?
>JJ abrams directing
But he never said write it which is where the ST fail hard >remake of the originals
He never said remake them, but recapture the feeling of them. I'll never get his first reaction to TFA being "everything he wanted" though, but he took off the rose tinted glasses when he did the TFA review >practical effects
Ironically the ST used more CGI than the PT. The PT's problem was the CGI lighting which made it all look like plastic so any mini-sets built to be used for green screen backgrounds or establishing shots get that lighting added to them to fit in with the CGI and it just ends up looking like bad CGI as a result.
>But he never said write it which is where the ST fail hard
COPE. Mike has been exposed as a ignorant fraud with no media literacy and Lucas has been vindicated in the eyes of millions.
No amount of seething from bitter gen x homosexuals will ever change that 🙂
Abrams is a good director which isn't the same thing as writing. Other than the awful lens flares his work is good. He just sucks at writing as it's just moving the characters from one scene to another.
>Disney does everythig plinket morons wanted >Star Wars fricking dies as the result
Hindsigh is 20:20, but holy shit how absurdly wrong those Youtube morons turned out to be
>JJ abrams directing
But he never said write it which is where the ST fail hard >remake of the originals
He never said remake them, but recapture the feeling of them. I'll never get his first reaction to TFA being "everything he wanted" though, but he took off the rose tinted glasses when he did the TFA review >practical effects
Ironically the ST used more CGI than the PT. The PT's problem was the CGI lighting which made it all look like plastic so any mini-sets built to be used for green screen backgrounds or establishing shots get that lighting added to them to fit in with the CGI and it just ends up looking like bad CGI as a result.
>JJ movies look kickass and that's indisputable
Holy tastelet lol are you that impressed by lens flares?
[...] >But he never said write it which is where the ST fail hard
COPE. Mike has been exposed as a ignorant fraud with no media literacy and Lucas has been vindicated in the eyes of millions.
No amount of seething from bitter gen x homosexuals will ever change that 🙂
>Mike said JJ Abrams should direct
this is only a gotcha if you're a filmlet who doesn't understand the difference between director, writer, producer, and all the other positions.
You just see the credits and think "people who made the film".
Holy cope. It was JJ who decided to throw out Michael Ardnt's script and Lucas' story treatments so that he could make his soulless soft reboot so frick off with that shit. Kathleen Kennedy let him do whatever the frick he wanted.
>Holy cope.
Kek you are one of those filmlets who does not understand.
Someone should've said, "frick off JJ you will have no input on the script". But that didn't happen.
Yes because he was the fricking director and the only person they really had in mind because of fricking Star Trek >lol someone should’ve said
But they didn’t and that was specifically a result of him directing
I think it may be you that doesn't actually understand what it is that a director does. Even if he had no input on the script, which the director more often than not does, he still would've had final say on just about every creative choice made. Films aren't like TV shows where the director just shows up and works with the actors and that's the extent of their influence. They are the creative lead of the entire project and bear the most responsible for the finished product regardless if they wrote the script or not.
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not really. Look at the Marvel movies. The directors are on a leash and don't get to change the script.
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Yes, Marvel movies operate more like television shows but those are the exception, not the rule. JJ pretty much had full creative control over TFA.
>this is only a gotcha if you're a filmlet who doesn't understand the difference between director, writer, producer, and all the other positions.
Why do RLMdrones keep trying to gaslight people with this nonsense? Directors definitely have a say in how the story should go.
Nah and it’s even worse with Attack of the Clones which is aging into a well-written and directed action movie for people who didn’t try to base some childhood identity in the original Star Wars trilogy run
>there is more to screenwriting than dialogue
Thats why I loved the scene with all of the past adventures of Obi Wan and Anakin that showed us their relationship.
Oh, no, they just quickly talked about them in an elevator. Well, that's just as good.
>Thats why I loved the scene with all of the past adventures of Obi Wan and Anakin that showed us their relationship.
You get that in the tie-ins. The movies are about Anakin and his fall to the dark side.
I disagree that the Sand speech is bad. The only argument people have for it is a video clip of fat virgin laughing while it plays and peer pressuring a bunch of incels into agreeing with him.
Agreed. I can admit that the "from my point of view the jedi are evil" line sounds a bit awkward and unnatural (although I literally talk like that), but I don't really get the issue with the sand speech. It's just teenage Anakin being emotional and open with Padme, his first love that he's madly obsessed with. Do people want him to sound profound, cool and spew unnaturally wise and witty lines at all times?
Exactly. The guy spent his entire childhood as a slave on a desert planet. No shit he’d hate it. Plus, he was saying that shit as a way of saying how he likes being with Padme and how she’s the complete opposite of what makes him hate sand.
They're shit because they're unenjoyable, bland garbage made to sell merch and toys. All of the characters behave like robots and the excessive use of early 2000s CGI paired with filming digitally has aged the films considerably.
Been a while since I watched it, but the only thing I recall aging poorly about the Plinkett reviews was them mixing in humorous nit-picks with legitimate criticism. That's what lead to shit like CinemaSins decrying the tiniest amount of suspension of disbelief.
Never understood the whole "the ST makes the PT look amazing" mentality when they're bad in different way. The PT had some idea of what the entire trilogy was gonna be about but it was still poorly executed regardless. Bad dialogue, bad plot, bad acting doesn't go away because the ST also failed.
I think what makes the PT look better by comparison *is* that it had any coherent ideas at all. The PT is, as you said, horrifically executed, but at least by the end it tells the story of the corruption and fall of the Republic, and gives you a decent idea of what that means.
The ST, by contrast, has better acting/dialogue (debatably), but no real coherent ideas. Very important factors for understanding the story, such as the First Order's actual capabilities, are never really explained.
okay now do the same with Charles Foster Kane.
Kane is an arrogant narcissist whose good fortune blinds him to his own flaws and limitations. Despite his attempts to paint himself as a moral crusader, he's a man possessed of immense greed and hubris, who is never satisfied with the countless things that are basically handed to him. He is talented, charming, and intelligent, but ultimately incapable of being content.
The PT was made in a way that'd evoke the melodramatic style of Classic Hollywood. The theatrics are baked in by design. Same with the dialogue. It wasn't trying to be a modern movie or a Whedon style flick. Telenovelas and even anime do the same shit. Anyone who's familiar with those should understand what George was going for.
Never understood the whole "the ST makes the PT look amazing" mentality when they're bad in different way. The PT had some idea of what the entire trilogy was gonna be about but it was still poorly executed regardless. Bad dialogue, bad plot, bad acting doesn't go away because the ST also failed.
>Bad dialogue, bad plot, bad acting doesn't go away because the ST also failed.
Saying they're bad doesn't make them bad. Prequels are the most quotable movies ever made.
I don't think it matters what context are they used in. The fact of the matter is that the dialogue in prequels is memorable and noteworthy enough for people to remember and quote it.
Zoomers don’t want to admit it, but George had a lot of the same issues that JJ had. Namely, an unwillingness to get out of the way, and let someone else do the writing. George is also a shitty director but he’s a great “idea guy”.
For the prequels, Lucas let the concept artists and VFX guys do whatever they wanted and picked whatever worked best for his vision. The dude always liked to collaborate with others.
I was a kid when the prequels came out and I as well as most of the people my age loved them. we were the intended audience and George Lucas did a great job making a CHILDRENS MOVIE to sell merchandise. only incel nerd losers hated the prequels.
Mike quit making bait threads to receive more praise on your decades old videos. We all know the prequels sucked and everything you said is right. Why don't you do something productive like fix the newer plinkett reviews?
Zoomtard revisionism. Millennials loved prequels. It's why they successfully spawned dozens of games, cartoons, graphic novels, merchandise etc. Who the frick do you think consumed all that shit? Zoomers weren't born yet or were in kindergarten, and generation X star wars fanboys were in full blown seethe mod and wanted nothing to do with prequels.
I’m a zoomer and I remember watching CW03 on Cartoon Network, watching Episodes I-II and the OT on DVD, and seeing Revenge of the Sith. Zoomers aren’t kids anymore, dude. The older ones are almost 30 while the younger ones are near graduation age.
If you take 1996 as the starting point of gen z, then the oldest zoomers would have been 3 to 9 years old during the release of the prequel trilogy. Most zoomers weren't even born back then. By early 2010s liking prequels was considered lame and gay, and star wars brand was losing momentum and relevance. Most zoomers missed out on the prequel era. They grew up with sequel movies, fortnite skins and battlefront games from 2015 and 2017.
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Anonymous
Again, I watched the movies on DVD. That and reruns on TV.
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Anonymous
And? You're not representative of the rest of your generation. The average gen z kiddo would have been 6-8 years old in 2010, when the prequel era was in decline. They did not grow up with it. Minecraft, COD, Battlefield, MCU was their culture.
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Anonymous
Motherfricker, I grew up with Raimi Spider-Man and the X-Men movies. I watched DBZ and Naruto on Toonami. I even remember watching Kids WB. Gen Z’s 1996-2009. Do the math.
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Anonymous
Contrary to what your generation believes, you are not the center of the universe. Just because you grew up with those things doesn't mean other zoomies did too. Most of them LOATHE anything made before 2010s. Any movie, video game, cartoon or anime from 90s or 00s they call dated, poorly aged, slow and boring. Most zoomers only like contemporary, modern works, which they call "peak fiction".
3 months ago
Anonymous
You’re talking out of your ass.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're in denial and utterly out of touch. Look around on any platform or website where zoomies congregate in large numbers.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you ginormous fricking moron, go outside for once in your life instead of seething out of your ass 24/7. This 'out of touch' old people phrase I keep seeing can not be any more closer from the truth. Obnoxious old snobs will think up some random bullshit out of the blue and then defend that position till the day they day. All of societies woes come down to this and the sooner these lot die out the better it'll be for everybody.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Every generation b***hes about the previous one. It’ll never stop.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't have any quarrel with millennials. However, a group of people that are completely beset in their ways and have absolutely no interest in change don't deserve human rights.
>Most of them LOATHE anything made before 2010s. Any movie, video game, cartoon or anime from 90s or 00s they call dated, poorly aged, slow and boring.
Not a single ounce of truth anywhere in that statement. He's made up some random fricking bullshit and IS SET on it being true. Reminder that these people RUN OUR COUNTRY
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You fricking queer. You goddamn prancing poofter. Look around on tik tok, MAL, kitsu, ANY anime streaming website, discord server. All zoomers are like this. >fr fr bruh JJK is peak fiction
You probably grew up on Cinemaphile and have NO friends, which is why you are completely insulated from your generation.
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>poofter
ToT bro's gotta be ANCIENT using vocabulary. Have you started taking hemorrhoids yet? >jjk
Completely ignores the fact that really good shows are actually coming out the last few years. Uses shonenshit since that's his only example (since the dawn of time shonen has always been massively popular, and shit).
Oh ya cause the autistic gen x manbaby homosexuals definitely don't have biased memories of the OT from their childhood. Why can't you miserable fricks just accept that maybe the prequels weren't made for you?
Millennials hated that shit too you dumb homosexual.
The clone wars animated movie and tv show were really popular with zoomers and bought them to the prequels which had DVD copies in every home and video store. The Lego sets based off the prequels sold like hotcakes for clone army building. I was born in '03 and this was what star wars was to me. The originals felt like relics.
I'd consider that post-prequel. During the time the prequels were releasing one by one the original trilogy was being rereleased on DVD as well and making the prequels look worse. Phantom menace was initially popular but very quickly became unpopular. It was until revenge of the sith that clone wars being the subject of every game, book, comic and toy pushed the OT out of the zeitgeist
After the release of aotc there was overwhelming apathy and disappointment for the prequels. Yeah the Legos were cool. Nobody was reading comics in the mid 00s. Genndy wars was hype but only 5 minute episodes. Old trilogy was firmly still king. ROTS came out and was the first one with good reviews. Then bc Lucas was done with that story a lot more material came out of clone wars and right after like force unleashed and the comic dark times, then the 3d clone wars show. Millennials hate the 3d clone wars show we were In our 20s by then plus the 03 one was better. Zoomers love 3d clone wars because they relate to the narcissism of anikin. Different generation.
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Anonymous
Anakin wasn’t a narcissist in TCW, Ahsoka was.
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Don't care. Zoomers are the only ones young enough to have fallen for anikin = main character therefore we can post hoc justify his shortcomings or whatever even though very clearly he is not a good person. And plus, basically, the zoomers love the "prequels" when really they just mean the clone wars show and Legos and the funny memes.
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Anonymous
TCW Anakin is nothing like Hayden’s Anakin. TCW made him into more of a swashbuckling hero type, than the flawed hero with a chip on his shoulder.
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Anonymous
We get it, the original trilogy is boomers first SciFi and youre mad you had to jerk off to Leia in Jabba's palace to get off back in the day. No one is coming to steal your original trilogy VHS so chill out gramps.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>babbie's first bait post
3 months ago
Anonymous
Keep coping and pretending to enjoy your pathetic boomer lightsaber fights.
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Anonymous
>After the release of aotc there was overwhelming apathy and disappointment for the prequels. Yeah the Legos were cool. Nobody was reading comics in the mid 00s. Genndy wars was hype but only 5 minute episodes. >Old trilogy was firmly still king.
Nobody fricking cared about OT in mid 00s. All the merch, video games, cartoons, comic books were about prequels. Millennials never stopped watching cartoons. ATLA, Adventure Time, Naruto was all the rage with millennials in late 00s and early 10s. Every single millennial I know watches anime. Maybe not regularly, but at least they watch the mainstream ones.
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Anonymous
Adventure time? Anime in the 10s? You are still thinking of zoomers anon.
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Anonymous
That moron thinks zoomers are kids. The youngest are 15 right now. Gen Alpha’s the actual kids.
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>Nobody fricking cared about OT in mid 00s.
You sound like you were a toddler during that time. Darth Vader and Yoda were still the best selling toys, OT merch was still selling like hotcakes despite being 30 years old. >ATLA, Adventure Time, Naruto was all the rage with millennials in late 00s and early 10s.
Zoomers were the target demographic for all three of those shows.
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>Zoomers were the target demographic for all three of those shows.
You are beyond moron. Utterly disingenuous and delusional. I wasn't discussing those shows on internet with 8 year old zoomers. You weren't even old enough to form a coherent sentence back then. 2015~ is when zoomers at large started using internet and communicating online. PCs were not popular with zoomers, so it was mobile phones that gave zoomers easy access to internet. Worst of all, it gave 3rd world zoomers access to internet, which is why it went to complete and utter shit. Absolutely fricking destroyed. Just look at the state of Cinemaphile. It's unusable if you're over 30. Nothing but moronic horny zoomers, gooners and 3rd worlders.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Gen Z begins in 96, the oldest ones were 9 when ATLA started airing and 14 when Adventure Time started. That was the target audience for those shows. Are you trying to make the argument that these cartoons somehow weren't geared towards children?
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Anonymous
Do you not understand how averages work, you fricking buffoon? Most of gen z were born after 2000.
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That still doesn't negate my point. For 2000 zoomies Adventure Time started airing when they were 10 and had ten seasons, Avatar had reruns up until mid 2010 at least. Just because you were discussing those cartoons online when you were a grown man doesn't mean that the target audience wasn't children.
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Anonymous
Zoomers are fartnite and gachashit generation. They don't care about ATLA, Naruto, Adventure Time or prequels. Those were watched primarily by 90s millennials.
3 months ago
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Zoomer interests are watching millennial grifters play video games on twitch and pretend to be their dad, make moronic spastic video on tik tok, play braindead f2p games with casino mechanics, gooning their brains out to sissy hypno porn, and watch slop like JJK and Chainsaw Man and call it peak fiction.
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Anonymous
Motherfricker, I’m a zoomer and I watched Naruto on Toonami. I remember getting mad as hell when they censored the shit out of Shippuden when it aired on Disney XD.
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>2015~ is when zoomers at large started using internet and communicating online
Ok but just because some sweaty neckbeards like you were discussing kids shows online doesn't mean the target demographic wasnt sooners you said yourself we didn't have as big of an internet presence then so how does your sweating fedora chatroom not having zoomers prove the show wasnt for kids?
Describe Qui Gon WITHOUT saying what he looks like, what kind of costume he wore, or what his profession was, or what his role in the movie was. It literally CANNOT be done.
Qui Gon is the perfect embodiment of what a Jedi should be. He's stoic, strong willed, focused, centered, determined, confident, stable, compassionate, wise, and a free thinker.
Any other asinine Plinkett points you would like to be debunked?
Are you actually moronic? A "good guy" is such a broad categorization that it could mean just about anything. I listed specific character attributes. Han Solo is a "good guy" but he doesn't have some of the character traits I listed for Qui Gon. Any other copes you want to try?
han solo's character progresses through the first movie from thug mercenary to saviour. Quigon wafts around with a scent of jedi cinnamon following him being stoic and good until he's killed because something interesting had to happen
Explain how I failed to debunk it homosexual. I listed off multiple aspects of his character without saying what he looks like, what kind of costume he wore, or what his profession was, or what his role in the movie was.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble because I know you've been conditioned to repeat Plinkett talking points like a pathetic drone but your e daddy that you worship is a media illiterate moron.
You homosexuals are actually moronic. No answer will ever satisfy you because in your delusional minds the words of some bitter failed filmmaker are treated as gospel. You should have a nice day for real.
han solo's character progresses through the first movie from thug mercenary to saviour. Quigon wafts around with a scent of jedi cinnamon following him being stoic and good until he's killed because something interesting had to happen
He was killed because his absence is a major factor in why Anakin turns to the dark side.
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>He was killed because his absence is a major factor in why Anakin turns to the dark side.
in other words >his character is the arc of another character
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>>his character is the arc of another character
Not every character in a story has to have some le epic character arc you dumb redditor. But one way Qui Gon does change throughout the film is he starts to see that the Jedi have lost their way and are no longer as compassionate as they should be due to becoming more detached and political.
what did Qui Gon actually do in the movie, apart from convincing the jedi council to take on darth vader. Don't worry guys I'll train him, and then he proceeded to die like an absolute moron
The whole point was that he was the perfect master and father figure to Anakin. Had he lived, Anakin would've never turned to the dark side. That's why he had to die. Pay attention to the movie.
The characters personality traits, do they have charisma?, does the character have a stutter?, whats their motivation in the movie?, whats the characters arc in the movie? Your brain has been pickled and can't recover, its over anon. You're just a mindless consoomer homosexual.
>do they have charisma?
Doesn't say anything. >does the character have a stutter?
Who cares. >whats their motivation in the movie?
Illiterate homosexual. The post explicitly mentions that mentioning his role in the movie isn't okay. >whats the characters arc in the movie?
Oh so now it's okay to bring up his role.
Fricking moron.
>He is a keeper of the peace, a man of few words who upholds the law but believes in the spirit of the law rather than the word of the law.
Now what gay?
Awesome. I'm glad people are finally standing up to these reddit neck beard pieces of shit. It was sickening watching everyone pretend these losers were somehow fine art connoisseurs. Let's not forget these mongrels actually said JJ Abrams should have directed the prequels, and then pretended they didn't when the sequel trilogy was steaming garbage. Why should we have listened to their critiques of the prequels when their ideal movies (the sequel trilogy) or so much worse.
>1999-2009: gen x hates prequels, gen y/milenials like them, spend billions on merchandise >2009-2016: RLM review drops and reddit makes it popular to hate the PT >2016-now: through memes, the PT has been recognized for the masterpiece it is. loved by zoomers and gen alpha
>1999-2009: gen x hates prequels, gen y/milenials like them, spend billions on merchandise
Millennial here and I think the PT movies sucked. The only good thing to come out of it was the games.
Eh the first Prequel movie people were hyped for even well after release but I think 2 and 3 killed most of the interest if we're being honest.
Most of the people who were big on Star Wars around me were basically like Episode 1 is cool -> videogames of Episode 1 are cool -> KOTOR 1&2 is cool -> Ep 2 is boring (people only meme about some scenes) -> Ep3 is boring (people only meme about some scenes) -> Didn't even watch Disney ones at all or watched one movie then stopped -> Don't even care about Star Wars videogames anymore.
>1999-2009: nobody like prequels >2009-2016: RLM review drops and put into words what everyoen was already thinking >2016-now: through memes, a minuscule minority of autists are tomsawyered into liking shit nobody ever liked
Enjoy, schizo. You will die of old age making treads like these wthout ever convincing enyone
Another millennial here, the prequels were trash when they came out, Attack of the Clones was such shit I checked out of the franchise entirely. Watching Disney burn it all down has been more entertaining than anything released in the last 25 years.
Gen X here, saw the original movies in the theater when I was a kid. Agreed that the prequels were really bad. Ep 3 has some okay parts but it's generally not very good either.
Milennials spent their lives watching super hero garbage so of course anything "old" will look good to them. They have been systematically trained to have lower standards. They probably like the Ewoks too.
The armchair casting of JJ backfired on them and much hilarity ensued. Doesn't make their criticism of the prequels' bad points less accurate. People just learned to live with it and it helped that the cross media stuff like Clone Wars TV helped alleviate some of the narrative shortcomings, that should have been done by the movies to begin with.
>People just learned to live with it and it helped that the cross media stuff like Clone Wars TV helped alleviate some of the narrative shortcomings
Yes, the tie-in materials carried the Prequel era. It helped that there was the kernal of an interesting concept to it, despite the movies being bad. Plus, the PT was a distinct era in terms of factions and politics.
By contrast, the politics of The Force Awakens are impossibly confused. But they were also to be expected. It's like how the Foundation TV show is about *building a second empire* but the writers hate the concept of an empire so it decayed into another plucky rebellion show.
Nobody wants to be in-charge. Becoming "the Man" isn't cool. Rebellion is cool.
The Prequels are such a well crafted story that they've gotten two decades of additional materials telling non-essential stories that happened in-between the films, generating billions of dollars and laughing the careers of dozens, if not more.
The Sequel is immediately swept under the rug as one of the greatest embarrassments in the history of cinema.
Cool dubs, but >The Prequels are such a well crafted story that they've gotten two decades of additional materials telling non-essential stories that happened in-between the films
No, it's a cool setting with some really great visual design and a ton of blank space in between the movies that offers ample opportunity to fill in with actually well crafted stories and characters, written by people who care about that universe and that time period within it.
The sequels do suck though I won't argue that point
>qui Gon is wise >when Watto doesn't accept republic credits and can't be mind tricked, he doesn't go to the next merchant and mind trick him into changing his credits for local currency
Wow, so wise.
That's irrelevant.
If Qui Gon was wise he would have simply went to another merchant and used his JMT to exchange his republic credits for something that Watto would take.
Instead he enters in some turbo convoluted agreement with Watto.
>Qui-Gon exchanges credits and fricks off >Anakin left behibd >Sith rule for the next 1000 years until another Chosen One shows up
Qui-Gon did what was best
>Anakin prevented Windu from killing Sidious.
NO NO NO. I hate Windugays so much. It was a ruse designed by Sidious. Windu had no chance and Sheev was never in any real danger.
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Windu would've never discovered Palpatine was Sidious of Anakin hadn't told him.
That would have been immoral. Qui Gon was willing to bend the rules to get a party they needed from Watto, especially when he was actually giving him money for something he could probably afford to take a loss on being a business man so successful and immoral himself that he owned two slaves.
If he had tricked another person into exchanging money with him, though, he could have potentially financially ruined them and also it would be more akin to stealing. Plus they would run the risk of Watto trying to turn them in for what would have been an obvious crime since he just saw Qui Gon trying to mind trick him into doing something against his will and saying they didn't have any other currency.
is seemed strange to me that Gui-Gon didn't even attempt to barter. What would Watto need instead of credits? He didn't bother to ask.
What would he have bartered with? All they have is a broken ship, their clothes, and Padme's virgin ass
>doesn't want to make a scene and so takes an young attractive woman with him and a clumsy idiot who ends up making a scene
Very wise. Don't forget he had him and Obi Wan split up when the invasion force was landing in Naboo all over the planet which could have gotten them separated by thousands of miles.
It's always funny when you see people trying to say the prequels were well liked when they came out and it wasn't until the RLM videos came out that people started hating them.
George Lucas is no Tolkien, the Star Wars Universe never had any lore plan or consistency, and trying to interpret Star Wars as if any of the characters had planned character arcs or there is any grand narrative is foolishness and pure imagination creating patterns out of randomness.
George Lucas (in my imagination) just smoked a lot of weed and was like “you know what would be really cool?” And then some special effects people made him famous.
The entire Star Wars Universe appears to have been up on the spot, probably while smoking weed. Lucas had no overarching plan, his characters never had a consistent arc beyond the original trilogy, and everything that has happened in the Star Wars universe was made up ad hoc by somebody saying “Wouldn’t it be cool if we did this?” And someone else saying “Hell yeah bro, ship it.”
Any attempt to build overarching narratives or put deeper meaning into the thoughts and motivations and themes of non-original trilogy material is merely looking at chaos and trying to create meaning from coincidence.
tbf Tolkien made shit up too when integrating The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings into his wider legendarium (that never got published in his lifetime).
When he was writing the first chapters of LOTR, Frodo was running from the Black Riders because they're cool spooky enemies, but Tolkien couldn't come up with a reason for it, until he remembered that Bilbo got a magic ring, etc. These stories weren't planned beforehand.
Where the frick have all of these prequel fans come from? I was 8 when The Phantom Menace came out, pretty much the target audience for it, and I hated it. Every kid I knew thought it sucked. So if it wasn't people who were kids when the films came out that have nostalgia for them, who is it? Maybe it's because I'm not American, did only American kids like it?
I find that whilst Plinkett was wrong in a lot of specifics, he was right in general and nothing has changed in the last 15 years to change that verdict.
You are the newbie. Early reddit was exactly the same.
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Anonymous
"Early Reddit" didn't exist until 2008ish because the first couple of years of Reddit didn't allow users to create their own subreddits you clueless clown.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't know, i don't use reddit
3 months ago
Anonymous
"Early Reddit" didn't exist until 2008ish because the first couple of years of Reddit didn't allow users to create their own subreddits you clueless clown.
Got a lot of reddit experts in this thread,
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, there's one clown claiming to be an expert on reddit and Cinemaphile, and me, someone that knows you can easily google this kind of information who found a timeline of reddit changes and saw it wasn't until 2008 that they added user created subreddits.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How is 2008 not early reddit? You realize that was over 15 years ago, you fricking idiot?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Read the post and reply chain again you illiterate mongoloid.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Take your own advice, smooth brain. What exactly do you disagree with?
3 months ago
Anonymous
At no point did I ever say, infer, or remotely come close to hinting at Reddit circa 08 wasn't "old reddit".
I'm really happy that this is the case. The only pockets you'll find that genuinely dislike the trilogy are spaces where really old, jaded people reside in. Cinemaphile is a great example, most people are here are >40.
>The only pockets you'll find that genuinely dislike the trilogy are spaces where really old, jaded people reside in.
No matter how many times you revisionists post this kind of shit, it will never actually be true.
At least once every 1-2 weeks "Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his allegiance to the graveyard smash" pops into my head and I have a nice chuckle
Their Force Awakens review is horrendous, but the phantom menace review is still good but naive of how much worse things could get.
Prequels are just a better level of bad.
Mr. Plinkett: JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars.
Kathleen Kennedy: Oh, you mean JJ Abrams should write the first sequel as a complete ripoff of A New Hope, with a gender-swapped Luke Skywalker as the lead, who is good at everything from the very beginning? Then the second sequel should be written by a round-headed idiot, who hates Star Wars and is obsessed with “subverting expectations”, by which he means “make every scene like a scene from one of the OT movies, but at the very last moment turn them into a Pace Balls-like parody, and, while we are at it, literally throw away every storyline set up in the first sequel”? And then the last sequel should be written by JJ Abrams again, desperately trying to retcon everything that happened in the second sequel, failing miserably? Gotcha, senpai!
Cinemaphile: This aged poorly.
>Oh, you mean JJ Abrams should write the first sequel as a complete ripoff of A New Hope
That was all JJ's idea moron. Actually pathetic that you RLMgays try to shift all of the blame onto Kathleen Kennedy.
Did I say that dipshit? Do you seriously think the director has no say on the script, the characters, and the overall story if he didn't write it himself? They are the creative arbiter of the entire production except in the rare cases where they're just some hired gun there to execute the producers or writers vision, which wasn't the case with JJ. When Mike said that JJ should direct Star Wars, he meant that he should helm and oversee the entire production from start to finish, which includes developing the story the same way Lucas did, and you have to be a delusional coping moron fanboy to deny that. Just accept that your e daddy was wrong.
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Jesus Christ, you are moronic. Sorry for taking you seriously.
There are literally tens of thousands of movies in history where the director was just directing someone else’s story. They may have had some say in the storyline here and there, where they knew the original idea wouldn’t work on screen, but the general storyline was someone else’s responsibility.
Please stop digging yourself any deeper into your moronic shit, it will do good for your mental health.
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Anonymous
>There are literally tens of thousands of movies in history where the director was just directing someone else’s story.
I never made any claim to the contrary and of course I'm not talking about cases where the filmmaker is adapting somebody else's story like a novel or something. But for people like David Fincher or Martin Scorcese who don't write their own scripts, they still have final say on what actually ends up in the movie and how the characters are portrayed.
But you're still trying to weasel past the point that when Mike said "JJ Abrams should've directed the prequels" he clearly didn't mean that JJ should've just directed Lucas' scripts. The implication in that statement is that JJ should've taken on all the responsibility that Lucas did which would include developing the story.
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Anonymous
No, he specifically criticized the directing of the PT, separate from the writing (which he also criticized, of course). And he said that George Lucas was just not good enough anymore, when he directed the PT, while JJ Abrams made a good sci-fi action/adventure with his first Star Trek movie, that felt more like classic Star Wars, rather than classic Star Trek. That’s why he said JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars.
BTW, even if Mike had had said that JJ Abrams should have *written* Star Wars (which he didn’t say, because nothing in JJ Abrams previous writing credits suggested that he would be good at writing a Star Wars story), it doesn’t follow that it means that he should make it a soft-remake.
It’s like you may say, if you have problems with your current girlfriend, that “I should have just hooked up with <another girl I knew>”, because she didn’t have the negative traits your current girlfriend does. Meanwhile, it’s entirely possible that <another girl> secretly has a drinking problem you didn’t know about.
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>No, he specifically criticized the directing of the PT, separate from the writing (which he also criticized, of course).
Lol ok thanks for proving my point. So he had a problem with both the writing and directing which stands to reason that if he would've rather had JJ Abrams direct them, then at the very least he would've liked JJ to oversee the development of the story.
>while JJ Abrams made a good sci-fi action/adventure with his first Star Trek movie, that felt more like classic Star Wars
No it didn't it felt like generic sci-fi slop like everything else he makes. But when your only cinematic frame of reference is 80's action blockbusters I guess I can see how he came to that ignorant conclusion.
>That’s why he said JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars.
Yeah and he was painfully wrong as seen with TFA and RoS.
>BTW, even if Mike had had said that JJ Abrams should have *written* Star Wars, it doesn’t follow that it means that he should make it a soft-remake.
Doesn't matter. As the director, Abrams had the choice to continue the story based off Lucas' story treatments but instead made the executive decision to do a soft reboot instead. By saying that JJ should direct Star Wars, he's implying that he trusts him to steer the entire ship and oversee the entire creative process. Idk why this is so hard to understand.
Also I'm confused why you're acting like JJ was the sole writer on TFA. He brought on Lawrence Kasdan to write the script with him which was literally a RLMgays wet dream. You guys really have no excuse. You got exactly what you asked for.
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>Zoomers are fartnite and gachashit generation.
That's late Gen Z/early Gen Alpha. >Those were watched primarily by 90s millennials.
Again, Gen Z is generally accepted to start in 1996/97. The majority of the audience for those shows were Gen Z, especially Adventure Time which released in 2010.
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Anonymous
Frick, meant for
Zoomers are fartnite and gachashit generation. They don't care about ATLA, Naruto, Adventure Time or prequels. Those were watched primarily by 90s millennials.
This guy lives in the heads of zoomers rent free, he'll always be based. Most of his criticisms are still correct.
The sequels existing doesn't all of the sudden make the prequels not dogshit.
Reminder that Gen Z’s 1996-2009. That’s 15-28. If you’re within that age range and you’re b***hing about zoomers, you’re moronic. If you’re older than that and b***hing, you’re a loser who’s out of touch.
>you can't complain about your own generation acting moronic because... you just can't okay? >you can't complain about younger generations acting moronic because... YOU. JUST. CAN'T. OKAY?
If it makes you feel better, the deserved pain he feels due to what's happened to star trek is only the beginning of the karmic suffering Mike will experience before he dies.
the idea that the sequels are just "mediocre" and the prequels "terrible" is full-on brain rot. You don't have to like the prequels to see they are higher art than the sequels.
>. You don't have to like the prequels to see they are higher art than the sequels.
If you can sit through 30 minutes of boring lucas dialogue and flat dead boring backgrounds then good for you. I would rather the JJ slop.
Checked your profile and it said you liked ready player one and EEAO. Take my updoot. Don't forget to ring the bell for our RLM boyos 😉 rich's laugh is hilarious, amiright? It took 8 years to do or whatever get fricked
The Phantom Menace has no main character!!!!! >RLM didn't bother to do any research or they would've found Lucas say that Amidala is the main character
I'm starting to think these threads are made and populated by a Discord raid group. It's just the same repetitive bullshit in every thread, essentially spam.
You'll notice a lot of intellectually stunted people have an emotional connection to these RLMs videos, to the point where they get very angry when you rightfully call out how badly they've aged. I can only guess why, but I think a big part of it is that it was babby's first video review and critique. It made them feel smarter about themselves and probably came during a time when they were unsure about themselves and the world. That's why they will die still singing the praises of RLM; it's their entire self worth summed up into one video.
They will never except that George was right, because to do so would be to admit they aren't as smart as they think they are.
>star wars was better when they never allowed darkies to be jedi
What did Plinkett mean by this?
What a convincing argument.
No, it didn't. Everything said in there is spot on.
>JJ Abrams should direct the sequels.
That's still true. He simply shouldn't have written them. JJ movies look kickass and that's indisputable.
>JJ movies look kickass and that's indisputable
Holy tastelet lol are you that impressed by lens flares?
>But he never said write it which is where the ST fail hard
COPE. Mike has been exposed as a ignorant fraud with no media literacy and Lucas has been vindicated in the eyes of millions.
No amount of seething from bitter gen x homosexuals will ever change that 🙂
Abrams is a good director which isn't the same thing as writing. Other than the awful lens flares his work is good. He just sucks at writing as it's just moving the characters from one scene to another.
He's literally never made anything that wasn't generic forgettable slop. You have terrible taste which I guess is to be expected from RLM drones.
>this is what zoomers actually think
Anyone with a brain knows Abrams is a total hack. Care to tell us what you think his notable achievements are?
The guy made lost please now shut up.
Lost was fricking garbage I hope you're trolling
>WOOOOAAAH THIS MYSTERY BOX IS SO MYSTERIOUS
>WOOOOAAAH SOLAR FLARES ACROSS THE SCREEN EPIC
kys
Then they should have specified that, but they didn't, did they?
He did specify it. he said direct, not write.
>Disney does everythig plinket morons wanted
>Star Wars fricking dies as the result
Hindsigh is 20:20, but holy shit how absurdly wrong those Youtube morons turned out to be
What was the "Everything" they wanted?
>JJ abrams directing
>remake of the originals
>practical effects
They didn't ask for a remake of the originals and practical effects are better. Are you standing for CG shit? Are you Indian? Holy shit, sir.
>JJ abrams directing
But he never said write it which is where the ST fail hard
>remake of the originals
He never said remake them, but recapture the feeling of them. I'll never get his first reaction to TFA being "everything he wanted" though, but he took off the rose tinted glasses when he did the TFA review
>practical effects
Ironically the ST used more CGI than the PT. The PT's problem was the CGI lighting which made it all look like plastic so any mini-sets built to be used for green screen backgrounds or establishing shots get that lighting added to them to fit in with the CGI and it just ends up looking like bad CGI as a result.
When TFA came out, they said, and I quote:
>It was everything I wanted and more.
I remember force awakens getting a fresh rating from the audience and starwars nerds saying its the best since the originals.
>Mike said JJ Abrams should direct
this is only a gotcha if you're a filmlet who doesn't understand the difference between director, writer, producer, and all the other positions.
You just see the credits and think "people who made the film".
Holy cope. It was JJ who decided to throw out Michael Ardnt's script and Lucas' story treatments so that he could make his soulless soft reboot so frick off with that shit. Kathleen Kennedy let him do whatever the frick he wanted.
>Holy cope.
Kek you are one of those filmlets who does not understand.
Someone should've said, "frick off JJ you will have no input on the script". But that didn't happen.
Yes because he was the fricking director and the only person they really had in mind because of fricking Star Trek
>lol someone should’ve said
But they didn’t and that was specifically a result of him directing
I think it may be you that doesn't actually understand what it is that a director does. Even if he had no input on the script, which the director more often than not does, he still would've had final say on just about every creative choice made. Films aren't like TV shows where the director just shows up and works with the actors and that's the extent of their influence. They are the creative lead of the entire project and bear the most responsible for the finished product regardless if they wrote the script or not.
not really. Look at the Marvel movies. The directors are on a leash and don't get to change the script.
Yes, Marvel movies operate more like television shows but those are the exception, not the rule. JJ pretty much had full creative control over TFA.
>this is only a gotcha if you're a filmlet who doesn't understand the difference between director, writer, producer, and all the other positions.
Why do RLMdrones keep trying to gaslight people with this nonsense? Directors definitely have a say in how the story should go.
It's the only way they can cope with their e daddy being horribly wrong.
>mfw I read "FROM THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF ..."
If jj had a better writer the movie would have worked
Nah and it’s even worse with Attack of the Clones which is aging into a well-written and directed action movie for people who didn’t try to base some childhood identity in the original Star Wars trilogy run
This. The sand speech is the modern Hamlet.
Well, there is more to screenwriting than dialogue. You couldn’t even elaborate what’s wrong with the sand line beyond being told to seethe about it
>there is more to screenwriting than dialogue
Thats why I loved the scene with all of the past adventures of Obi Wan and Anakin that showed us their relationship.
Oh, no, they just quickly talked about them in an elevator. Well, that's just as good.
>Thats why I loved the scene with all of the past adventures of Obi Wan and Anakin that showed us their relationship.
You get that in the tie-ins. The movies are about Anakin and his fall to the dark side.
I disagree that the Sand speech is bad. The only argument people have for it is a video clip of fat virgin laughing while it plays and peer pressuring a bunch of incels into agreeing with him.
I reject the hypothesis.
Agreed. I can admit that the "from my point of view the jedi are evil" line sounds a bit awkward and unnatural (although I literally talk like that), but I don't really get the issue with the sand speech. It's just teenage Anakin being emotional and open with Padme, his first love that he's madly obsessed with. Do people want him to sound profound, cool and spew unnaturally wise and witty lines at all times?
Exactly. The guy spent his entire childhood as a slave on a desert planet. No shit he’d hate it. Plus, he was saying that shit as a way of saying how he likes being with Padme and how she’s the complete opposite of what makes him hate sand.
You're entitled to being wrong.
it's not bad writing
it's a 19yo incel shitting his pants in front of almost prime herschlag
>This pile of shit smells less than this other pile of shit
Sure
Why do you autists always think in extremes? Something's either the best or worst shit ever with you lot. No in-betweens.
Mediocre films exist, yes. However, the prequels are just shit.
Explain why they're shit without being vague.
They're shit because they're unenjoyable, bland garbage made to sell merch and toys. All of the characters behave like robots and the excessive use of early 2000s CGI paired with filming digitally has aged the films considerably.
>No, it didn't. Everything said in there is spot on.
here is one: saying that Anakin being a handsome murderous psycho wouldn't turn a woman on
Been a while since I watched it, but the only thing I recall aging poorly about the Plinkett reviews was them mixing in humorous nit-picks with legitimate criticism. That's what lead to shit like CinemaSins decrying the tiniest amount of suspension of disbelief.
I think what makes the PT look better by comparison *is* that it had any coherent ideas at all. The PT is, as you said, horrifically executed, but at least by the end it tells the story of the corruption and fall of the Republic, and gives you a decent idea of what that means.
The ST, by contrast, has better acting/dialogue (debatably), but no real coherent ideas. Very important factors for understanding the story, such as the First Order's actual capabilities, are never really explained.
Kane is an arrogant narcissist whose good fortune blinds him to his own flaws and limitations. Despite his attempts to paint himself as a moral crusader, he's a man possessed of immense greed and hubris, who is never satisfied with the countless things that are basically handed to him. He is talented, charming, and intelligent, but ultimately incapable of being content.
The PT was made in a way that'd evoke the melodramatic style of Classic Hollywood. The theatrics are baked in by design. Same with the dialogue. It wasn't trying to be a modern movie or a Whedon style flick. Telenovelas and even anime do the same shit. Anyone who's familiar with those should understand what George was going for.
>No, it didn't. Everything said in there is spot on.
>no argument
Weak trolls today
Glad to see you’re willing to slurp up youtube slop like the good little got (You) really are
The prequels are shit. Just because the sequels happened to be shit as well doesn't change it.
There are 12 star wars movies and only 2 of them are any good. The rest are mediocre to straight up awful.
Never understood the whole "the ST makes the PT look amazing" mentality when they're bad in different way. The PT had some idea of what the entire trilogy was gonna be about but it was still poorly executed regardless. Bad dialogue, bad plot, bad acting doesn't go away because the ST also failed.
>Bad dialogue, bad plot, bad acting doesn't go away because the ST also failed.
Saying they're bad doesn't make them bad. Prequels are the most quotable movies ever made.
I've only seen it used in memes. I've never heard anyone in the real world quote the PT.
I don't think it matters what context are they used in. The fact of the matter is that the dialogue in prequels is memorable and noteworthy enough for people to remember and quote it.
That's so wizard anon.
>THEY FLY NOW
Zoomers don’t want to admit it, but George had a lot of the same issues that JJ had. Namely, an unwillingness to get out of the way, and let someone else do the writing. George is also a shitty director but he’s a great “idea guy”.
For the prequels, Lucas let the concept artists and VFX guys do whatever they wanted and picked whatever worked best for his vision. The dude always liked to collaborate with others.
I was a kid when the prequels came out and I as well as most of the people my age loved them. we were the intended audience and George Lucas did a great job making a CHILDRENS MOVIE to sell merchandise. only incel nerd losers hated the prequels.
Mike quit making bait threads to receive more praise on your decades old videos. We all know the prequels sucked and everything you said is right. Why don't you do something productive like fix the newer plinkett reviews?
No it didn't. The is story and characters are awful.
Xoomers will never get over their prequel hatred. They've made up their mind and nothing will convince them otherwise.
you mean jake lloyd?
Zoomers will never get over their prequel nostalgia. They've made up their mind and nothing will convince them otherwise.
Zoomers weren't even born when prequels come out, moron. It's millennials who grew up with them.
Millennials hated that shit too you dumb homosexual.
Zoomtard revisionism. Millennials loved prequels. It's why they successfully spawned dozens of games, cartoons, graphic novels, merchandise etc. Who the frick do you think consumed all that shit? Zoomers weren't born yet or were in kindergarten, and generation X star wars fanboys were in full blown seethe mod and wanted nothing to do with prequels.
I’m a zoomer and I remember watching CW03 on Cartoon Network, watching Episodes I-II and the OT on DVD, and seeing Revenge of the Sith. Zoomers aren’t kids anymore, dude. The older ones are almost 30 while the younger ones are near graduation age.
If you take 1996 as the starting point of gen z, then the oldest zoomers would have been 3 to 9 years old during the release of the prequel trilogy. Most zoomers weren't even born back then. By early 2010s liking prequels was considered lame and gay, and star wars brand was losing momentum and relevance. Most zoomers missed out on the prequel era. They grew up with sequel movies, fortnite skins and battlefront games from 2015 and 2017.
Again, I watched the movies on DVD. That and reruns on TV.
And? You're not representative of the rest of your generation. The average gen z kiddo would have been 6-8 years old in 2010, when the prequel era was in decline. They did not grow up with it. Minecraft, COD, Battlefield, MCU was their culture.
Motherfricker, I grew up with Raimi Spider-Man and the X-Men movies. I watched DBZ and Naruto on Toonami. I even remember watching Kids WB. Gen Z’s 1996-2009. Do the math.
Contrary to what your generation believes, you are not the center of the universe. Just because you grew up with those things doesn't mean other zoomies did too. Most of them LOATHE anything made before 2010s. Any movie, video game, cartoon or anime from 90s or 00s they call dated, poorly aged, slow and boring. Most zoomers only like contemporary, modern works, which they call "peak fiction".
You’re talking out of your ass.
You're in denial and utterly out of touch. Look around on any platform or website where zoomies congregate in large numbers.
you ginormous fricking moron, go outside for once in your life instead of seething out of your ass 24/7. This 'out of touch' old people phrase I keep seeing can not be any more closer from the truth. Obnoxious old snobs will think up some random bullshit out of the blue and then defend that position till the day they day. All of societies woes come down to this and the sooner these lot die out the better it'll be for everybody.
Every generation b***hes about the previous one. It’ll never stop.
I don't have any quarrel with millennials. However, a group of people that are completely beset in their ways and have absolutely no interest in change don't deserve human rights.
>Most of them LOATHE anything made before 2010s. Any movie, video game, cartoon or anime from 90s or 00s they call dated, poorly aged, slow and boring.
Not a single ounce of truth anywhere in that statement. He's made up some random fricking bullshit and IS SET on it being true. Reminder that these people RUN OUR COUNTRY
You fricking queer. You goddamn prancing poofter. Look around on tik tok, MAL, kitsu, ANY anime streaming website, discord server. All zoomers are like this.
>fr fr bruh JJK is peak fiction
You probably grew up on Cinemaphile and have NO friends, which is why you are completely insulated from your generation.
>poofter
ToT bro's gotta be ANCIENT using vocabulary. Have you started taking hemorrhoids yet?
>jjk
Completely ignores the fact that really good shows are actually coming out the last few years. Uses shonenshit since that's his only example (since the dawn of time shonen has always been massively popular, and shit).
meds*
Blatant lie. Everyone in my generation and that I went to school with loved the prequels.
>biased memories from back when I was 6
Move on, autist. Prequelshit was always bad and will always be bad.
Oh ya cause the autistic gen x manbaby homosexuals definitely don't have biased memories of the OT from their childhood. Why can't you miserable fricks just accept that maybe the prequels weren't made for you?
The clone wars animated movie and tv show were really popular with zoomers and bought them to the prequels which had DVD copies in every home and video store. The Lego sets based off the prequels sold like hotcakes for clone army building. I was born in '03 and this was what star wars was to me. The originals felt like relics.
When did you first watch the prequels? 2009-12?
2008-2009
I'd consider that post-prequel. During the time the prequels were releasing one by one the original trilogy was being rereleased on DVD as well and making the prequels look worse. Phantom menace was initially popular but very quickly became unpopular. It was until revenge of the sith that clone wars being the subject of every game, book, comic and toy pushed the OT out of the zeitgeist
The Clone Wars multimedia project came out AFTER AotC and ended with RotS.
After the release of aotc there was overwhelming apathy and disappointment for the prequels. Yeah the Legos were cool. Nobody was reading comics in the mid 00s. Genndy wars was hype but only 5 minute episodes. Old trilogy was firmly still king. ROTS came out and was the first one with good reviews. Then bc Lucas was done with that story a lot more material came out of clone wars and right after like force unleashed and the comic dark times, then the 3d clone wars show. Millennials hate the 3d clone wars show we were In our 20s by then plus the 03 one was better. Zoomers love 3d clone wars because they relate to the narcissism of anikin. Different generation.
Anakin wasn’t a narcissist in TCW, Ahsoka was.
Don't care. Zoomers are the only ones young enough to have fallen for anikin = main character therefore we can post hoc justify his shortcomings or whatever even though very clearly he is not a good person. And plus, basically, the zoomers love the "prequels" when really they just mean the clone wars show and Legos and the funny memes.
TCW Anakin is nothing like Hayden’s Anakin. TCW made him into more of a swashbuckling hero type, than the flawed hero with a chip on his shoulder.
We get it, the original trilogy is boomers first SciFi and youre mad you had to jerk off to Leia in Jabba's palace to get off back in the day. No one is coming to steal your original trilogy VHS so chill out gramps.
>babbie's first bait post
Keep coping and pretending to enjoy your pathetic boomer lightsaber fights.
>After the release of aotc there was overwhelming apathy and disappointment for the prequels. Yeah the Legos were cool. Nobody was reading comics in the mid 00s. Genndy wars was hype but only 5 minute episodes.
>Old trilogy was firmly still king.
Nobody fricking cared about OT in mid 00s. All the merch, video games, cartoons, comic books were about prequels. Millennials never stopped watching cartoons. ATLA, Adventure Time, Naruto was all the rage with millennials in late 00s and early 10s. Every single millennial I know watches anime. Maybe not regularly, but at least they watch the mainstream ones.
Adventure time? Anime in the 10s? You are still thinking of zoomers anon.
That moron thinks zoomers are kids. The youngest are 15 right now. Gen Alpha’s the actual kids.
>Nobody fricking cared about OT in mid 00s.
You sound like you were a toddler during that time. Darth Vader and Yoda were still the best selling toys, OT merch was still selling like hotcakes despite being 30 years old.
>ATLA, Adventure Time, Naruto was all the rage with millennials in late 00s and early 10s.
Zoomers were the target demographic for all three of those shows.
>Zoomers were the target demographic for all three of those shows.
You are beyond moron. Utterly disingenuous and delusional. I wasn't discussing those shows on internet with 8 year old zoomers. You weren't even old enough to form a coherent sentence back then. 2015~ is when zoomers at large started using internet and communicating online. PCs were not popular with zoomers, so it was mobile phones that gave zoomers easy access to internet. Worst of all, it gave 3rd world zoomers access to internet, which is why it went to complete and utter shit. Absolutely fricking destroyed. Just look at the state of Cinemaphile. It's unusable if you're over 30. Nothing but moronic horny zoomers, gooners and 3rd worlders.
Gen Z begins in 96, the oldest ones were 9 when ATLA started airing and 14 when Adventure Time started. That was the target audience for those shows. Are you trying to make the argument that these cartoons somehow weren't geared towards children?
Do you not understand how averages work, you fricking buffoon? Most of gen z were born after 2000.
That still doesn't negate my point. For 2000 zoomies Adventure Time started airing when they were 10 and had ten seasons, Avatar had reruns up until mid 2010 at least. Just because you were discussing those cartoons online when you were a grown man doesn't mean that the target audience wasn't children.
Zoomers are fartnite and gachashit generation. They don't care about ATLA, Naruto, Adventure Time or prequels. Those were watched primarily by 90s millennials.
Zoomer interests are watching millennial grifters play video games on twitch and pretend to be their dad, make moronic spastic video on tik tok, play braindead f2p games with casino mechanics, gooning their brains out to sissy hypno porn, and watch slop like JJK and Chainsaw Man and call it peak fiction.
Motherfricker, I’m a zoomer and I watched Naruto on Toonami. I remember getting mad as hell when they censored the shit out of Shippuden when it aired on Disney XD.
>2015~ is when zoomers at large started using internet and communicating online
Ok but just because some sweaty neckbeards like you were discussing kids shows online doesn't mean the target demographic wasnt sooners you said yourself we didn't have as big of an internet presence then so how does your sweating fedora chatroom not having zoomers prove the show wasnt for kids?
Describe Qui Gon WITHOUT saying what he looks like, what kind of costume he wore, or what his profession was, or what his role in the movie was. It literally CANNOT be done.
This is probably the most retatded point, since his ideological conflict with the Jedi was literally spelled out by McGregor in the movie
and almost everyone breaks the rule when describing han solo
okay now do the same with Charles Foster Kane.
wise dude that doesn't follow the Jedi rules
Stoic zealot calmly, relentlessly tackling impossible tasks. The kind of guy who won't start a bar fight but will decisively finish it.
Qui Gon is the perfect embodiment of what a Jedi should be. He's stoic, strong willed, focused, centered, determined, confident, stable, compassionate, wise, and a free thinker.
Any other asinine Plinkett points you would like to be debunked?
>he is a good guy
>he is a good guy
A character doesn't need more.
Are you actually moronic? A "good guy" is such a broad categorization that it could mean just about anything. I listed specific character attributes. Han Solo is a "good guy" but he doesn't have some of the character traits I listed for Qui Gon. Any other copes you want to try?
han solo's character progresses through the first movie from thug mercenary to saviour. Quigon wafts around with a scent of jedi cinnamon following him being stoic and good until he's killed because something interesting had to happen
This is how all """stoics""" are.
Just the one you just failed to debunk would be fine, thanks.
Explain how I failed to debunk it homosexual. I listed off multiple aspects of his character without saying what he looks like, what kind of costume he wore, or what his profession was, or what his role in the movie was.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble because I know you've been conditioned to repeat Plinkett talking points like a pathetic drone but your e daddy that you worship is a media illiterate moron.
You didn't provide any meaningful characterization, homosexual. Learn to write.
Prequelgays are so stupid, Jesus Christ.
You homosexuals are actually moronic. No answer will ever satisfy you because in your delusional minds the words of some bitter failed filmmaker are treated as gospel. You should have a nice day for real.
He was killed because his absence is a major factor in why Anakin turns to the dark side.
>He was killed because his absence is a major factor in why Anakin turns to the dark side.
in other words
>his character is the arc of another character
>>his character is the arc of another character
Not every character in a story has to have some le epic character arc you dumb redditor. But one way Qui Gon does change throughout the film is he starts to see that the Jedi have lost their way and are no longer as compassionate as they should be due to becoming more detached and political.
I guess Uncle Ben’s not a real character either.
>Qui Gon is...a Jedi
what did Qui Gon actually do in the movie, apart from convincing the jedi council to take on darth vader. Don't worry guys I'll train him, and then he proceeded to die like an absolute moron
The whole point was that he was the perfect master and father figure to Anakin. Had he lived, Anakin would've never turned to the dark side. That's why he had to die. Pay attention to the movie.
his character arc is dying because the mentor character has to always die in star wars.
What kind of asinine bullshit is this?
>describe a character without bringing up the things that describe him
The characters personality traits, do they have charisma?, does the character have a stutter?, whats their motivation in the movie?, whats the characters arc in the movie? Your brain has been pickled and can't recover, its over anon. You're just a mindless consoomer homosexual.
>do they have charisma?
Doesn't say anything.
>does the character have a stutter?
Who cares.
>whats their motivation in the movie?
Illiterate homosexual. The post explicitly mentions that mentioning his role in the movie isn't okay.
>whats the characters arc in the movie?
Oh so now it's okay to bring up his role.
Fricking moron.
he pisses himself and wants to beat up Black folk
That's silly, Qui Gon is literally the guy who plays by his own rules because: "Damn it! I'm doing my job."
It's ok when he does it because he's got an amazing moral compass.
There's also a while Ted Talk that can be given about how he learned to do this from Dooku and how even Yoda can fail as a master.
he wears depends for men
Evian bottle
>He is a keeper of the peace, a man of few words who upholds the law but believes in the spirit of the law rather than the word of the law.
Now what gay?
He was a controversial sage. He believe In the will of the force, and he would one day find the chosen one.
Awesome. I'm glad people are finally standing up to these reddit neck beard pieces of shit. It was sickening watching everyone pretend these losers were somehow fine art connoisseurs. Let's not forget these mongrels actually said JJ Abrams should have directed the prequels, and then pretended they didn't when the sequel trilogy was steaming garbage. Why should we have listened to their critiques of the prequels when their ideal movies (the sequel trilogy) or so much worse.
Exactly. RLM gays got everything they wanted with the sequel trilogy they literally have no right to complain about them.
RLM pulling the "That's not real communism" card over JJ Abrams was very... human of them.
They have to use that cope otherwise Mike would have to eat a bullet out of shame.
> Incels on the Internet say it's trash
> Actual fine art critic says it's a masterpiece that defines a century.
Really gets the noggin jogging
I'll give you a timeline of what went down.
>1999-2009: gen x hates prequels, gen y/milenials like them, spend billions on merchandise
>2009-2016: RLM review drops and reddit makes it popular to hate the PT
>2016-now: through memes, the PT has been recognized for the masterpiece it is. loved by zoomers and gen alpha
>1999-2009: gen x hates prequels, gen y/milenials like them, spend billions on merchandise
Millennial here and I think the PT movies sucked. The only good thing to come out of it was the games.
Eh the first Prequel movie people were hyped for even well after release but I think 2 and 3 killed most of the interest if we're being honest.
Most of the people who were big on Star Wars around me were basically like Episode 1 is cool -> videogames of Episode 1 are cool -> KOTOR 1&2 is cool -> Ep 2 is boring (people only meme about some scenes) -> Ep3 is boring (people only meme about some scenes) -> Didn't even watch Disney ones at all or watched one movie then stopped -> Don't even care about Star Wars videogames anymore.
menawhile the real timeline.
>1999-2009: nobody like prequels
>2009-2016: RLM review drops and put into words what everyoen was already thinking
>2016-now: through memes, a minuscule minority of autists are tomsawyered into liking shit nobody ever liked
Enjoy, schizo. You will die of old age making treads like these wthout ever convincing enyone
Another millennial here, the prequels were trash when they came out, Attack of the Clones was such shit I checked out of the franchise entirely. Watching Disney burn it all down has been more entertaining than anything released in the last 25 years.
Gen X here, saw the original movies in the theater when I was a kid. Agreed that the prequels were really bad. Ep 3 has some okay parts but it's generally not very good either.
Maybe Star Wars should have stayed in the 70s, A sci-fi fantasy trilogy without any prequels or sequels.
>days without seething about fat balding midwesterners = 0
So did the cg in Coruscant, looks like Gamecube
Milennials spent their lives watching super hero garbage so of course anything "old" will look good to them. They have been systematically trained to have lower standards. They probably like the Ewoks too.
The armchair casting of JJ backfired on them and much hilarity ensued. Doesn't make their criticism of the prequels' bad points less accurate. People just learned to live with it and it helped that the cross media stuff like Clone Wars TV helped alleviate some of the narrative shortcomings, that should have been done by the movies to begin with.
>People just learned to live with it and it helped that the cross media stuff like Clone Wars TV helped alleviate some of the narrative shortcomings
Yes, the tie-in materials carried the Prequel era. It helped that there was the kernal of an interesting concept to it, despite the movies being bad. Plus, the PT was a distinct era in terms of factions and politics.
By contrast, the politics of The Force Awakens are impossibly confused. But they were also to be expected. It's like how the Foundation TV show is about *building a second empire* but the writers hate the concept of an empire so it decayed into another plucky rebellion show.
Nobody wants to be in-charge. Becoming "the Man" isn't cool. Rebellion is cool.
The Prequels are such a well crafted story that they've gotten two decades of additional materials telling non-essential stories that happened in-between the films, generating billions of dollars and laughing the careers of dozens, if not more.
The Sequel is immediately swept under the rug as one of the greatest embarrassments in the history of cinema.
Cool dubs, but
>The Prequels are such a well crafted story that they've gotten two decades of additional materials telling non-essential stories that happened in-between the films
No, it's a cool setting with some really great visual design and a ton of blank space in between the movies that offers ample opportunity to fill in with actually well crafted stories and characters, written by people who care about that universe and that time period within it.
The sequels do suck though I won't argue that point
George won.
>get his story taken and driven into the ground, riining his legacy forever. That's winning.
>qui Gon is wise
>when Watto doesn't accept republic credits and can't be mind tricked, he doesn't go to the next merchant and mind trick him into changing his credits for local currency
Wow, so wise.
watto was the only person at mos espa with the parts they needed
the movie explains this
>watto was the only person at mos espa with the parts they needed
>Actually believing an old ass tactic by greasy salesmen.
That's irrelevant.
If Qui Gon was wise he would have simply went to another merchant and used his JMT to exchange his republic credits for something that Watto would take.
Instead he enters in some turbo convoluted agreement with Watto.
>Qui-Gon exchanges credits and fricks off
>Anakin left behibd
>Sith rule for the next 1000 years until another Chosen One shows up
Qui-Gon did what was best
Anakin prevented Windu from killing Sidious. Being left on Tatooine would've been the best thing for the galaxy. Qui Gon fricked up epically.
>Anakin prevented Windu from killing Sidious.
NO NO NO. I hate Windugays so much. It was a ruse designed by Sidious. Windu had no chance and Sheev was never in any real danger.
Windu would've never discovered Palpatine was Sidious of Anakin hadn't told him.
That would have been immoral. Qui Gon was willing to bend the rules to get a party they needed from Watto, especially when he was actually giving him money for something he could probably afford to take a loss on being a business man so successful and immoral himself that he owned two slaves.
If he had tricked another person into exchanging money with him, though, he could have potentially financially ruined them and also it would be more akin to stealing. Plus they would run the risk of Watto trying to turn them in for what would have been an obvious crime since he just saw Qui Gon trying to mind trick him into doing something against his will and saying they didn't have any other currency.
What would he have bartered with? All they have is a broken ship, their clothes, and Padme's virgin ass
Why not trade your sleek, silver royal pleasure yacht to a busted ass freighter that could take you to Coruscant?
>Why not trade your sleek, silver royal pleasure yacht to a busted ass freighter that could take you to Coruscant?
The goal shifted from purely getting off the planet with a new hyperdrive to saving Anakin, and they could do both at once.
>doesn't want to make a scene and so takes an young attractive woman with him and a clumsy idiot who ends up making a scene
Very wise. Don't forget he had him and Obi Wan split up when the invasion force was landing in Naboo all over the planet which could have gotten them separated by thousands of miles.
is seemed strange to me that Gui-Gon didn't even attempt to barter. What would Watto need instead of credits? He didn't bother to ask.
It's always funny when you see people trying to say the prequels were well liked when they came out and it wasn't until the RLM videos came out that people started hating them.
George Lucas is no Tolkien, the Star Wars Universe never had any lore plan or consistency, and trying to interpret Star Wars as if any of the characters had planned character arcs or there is any grand narrative is foolishness and pure imagination creating patterns out of randomness.
George Lucas (in my imagination) just smoked a lot of weed and was like “you know what would be really cool?” And then some special effects people made him famous.
The entire Star Wars Universe appears to have been up on the spot, probably while smoking weed. Lucas had no overarching plan, his characters never had a consistent arc beyond the original trilogy, and everything that has happened in the Star Wars universe was made up ad hoc by somebody saying “Wouldn’t it be cool if we did this?” And someone else saying “Hell yeah bro, ship it.”
Any attempt to build overarching narratives or put deeper meaning into the thoughts and motivations and themes of non-original trilogy material is merely looking at chaos and trying to create meaning from coincidence.
Impressive that all of the word vomit you typed is blatantly false and easily disprovable yet morons like you will continue to be willfully ignorant.
tbf Tolkien made shit up too when integrating The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings into his wider legendarium (that never got published in his lifetime).
When he was writing the first chapters of LOTR, Frodo was running from the Black Riders because they're cool spooky enemies, but Tolkien couldn't come up with a reason for it, until he remembered that Bilbo got a magic ring, etc. These stories weren't planned beforehand.
this is by far the most ignorant, redditor take i have seen so far this year. im going to log off of my Cinemaphile account for today.
>And then some special effects people made him famous.
have a nice day
Where the frick have all of these prequel fans come from? I was 8 when The Phantom Menace came out, pretty much the target audience for it, and I hated it. Every kid I knew thought it sucked. So if it wasn't people who were kids when the films came out that have nostalgia for them, who is it? Maybe it's because I'm not American, did only American kids like it?
>Maybe it's because I'm not American
Disgusting. You don't get a vote.
they are people who were raised by the star wars video momma got from the overflowing star wars bargain bin because momma had to rest her eyes again
Not american either and I knew plenty of people who loved Episode 1.
That said I don't know many who cared about 2 or 3.
It's just contrarians that know the movies are shit but will claim that they're literal masterpiece works of art because they know it sets people off.
Or maybe the movies are actually solid and you’re either just a bitter Gen Xer or a sheep that took RLM’s opinions as gospel.
I find that whilst Plinkett was wrong in a lot of specifics, he was right in general and nothing has changed in the last 15 years to change that verdict.
isn't disliking plinkett reddit tho? like r/prequelmemes territory?
RLM is peak redditcore.
RLM has been part of Cinemaphile culture since 2008. Cinemaphile was created in 2006.
2003-2010 Cinemaphile was reddit lite. Virtually indistinguishable.
newbie detected. back then there were constant dicky threads that reached bump limit
You are the newbie. Early reddit was exactly the same.
"Early Reddit" didn't exist until 2008ish because the first couple of years of Reddit didn't allow users to create their own subreddits you clueless clown.
I wouldn't know, i don't use reddit
Got a lot of reddit experts in this thread,
No, there's one clown claiming to be an expert on reddit and Cinemaphile, and me, someone that knows you can easily google this kind of information who found a timeline of reddit changes and saw it wasn't until 2008 that they added user created subreddits.
How is 2008 not early reddit? You realize that was over 15 years ago, you fricking idiot?
Read the post and reply chain again you illiterate mongoloid.
Take your own advice, smooth brain. What exactly do you disagree with?
At no point did I ever say, infer, or remotely come close to hinting at Reddit circa 08 wasn't "old reddit".
Rich has called people trannies in the past, he'd definitely be cancelled on Reddit.
>prequelgays are STILL fuming about the Plinkett reviews
move on, for christ's sake
>Muh OT
>Muh PT
>Muh ST
Star Wars is all bad. It always has been and always will be.
>B-but what about-
No.
>Star Wars is all bad. It always has been and always will be.
I'm really happy that this is the case. The only pockets you'll find that genuinely dislike the trilogy are spaces where really old, jaded people reside in. Cinemaphile is a great example, most people are here are >40.
>The only pockets you'll find that genuinely dislike the trilogy are spaces where really old, jaded people reside in.
No matter how many times you revisionists post this kind of shit, it will never actually be true.
cope
people i know who like the PT: my boomer dad who saw ANH on release, ever 9 year old in my class when TPM was released
people who hate the PT: gen X losers who were obsessed with star wars, film snobs, Reddit
If the only people you can find that liked the PT are your boomer dad and a bunch of 9 year olds then all you're doing is proving my point for me.
>people who hate the PT: gen X losers who were obsessed with star wars, film snobs, Reddit
Facts.
>zoomers discover prequel flavored goyslop
>this is their new crusade
Why does everyone shit on the prequels or hobbit trilogy, but love equally mediocre and badly written stuff like the MCU movies?
As much as reddit and Cinemaphile hate each other, they’re both similar in that they objectively have shit taste in media
>redditors love RLM
>RLM hates PT
>so arguing for vindication of PT makes redditors mad, which is funny
Nope. Still a good watch. It's you who can't stop crying about shitty soulless cartoons of your childhood being roasted by the audience and critics.
I was a teenager when TPM was released, and felt the PT and OT were remarkably similar in quality across all 6 films.
episode 1 and 2 reviews have some tedious bits to rewatch. the RotS review is pure kino though.
At least once every 1-2 weeks "Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his allegiance to the graveyard smash" pops into my head and I have a nice chuckle
Their Force Awakens review is horrendous, but the phantom menace review is still good but naive of how much worse things could get.
Prequels are just a better level of bad.
the TFA "review" isn't even about the movie. He clearly didn't want to make it.
The half in the bag review.
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>screaming "I heckin' <3 science"-tier technobabble and hectically running about the set like a headless chicken is "kino"
I hate these pseuds so much
>Disney would later go on to make even worse movies, so Plinkett's criticisms aren't valid
no
Episode I and Episode III came out 6 years apart. If you were young enough to like Episode I you should have been grown up enough to hate Episode III.
>If you were young enough to like Episode I you should have been grown up enough to hate Episode III.
Why?
because part of growing up is developing good taste in movies.
Of which you have none.
They were always decent movies as long as you didn't have preconceived notions of what star wars was and wasn't supposed to be before going in.
>HE'S A FAT DISGUSTING SLOB AND AN ALCOHOLIC, THAT'S HIS CHARACTER. ISNT THAT JUST SO FRICKING FUNNY xD
Mr. Plinkett: JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars.
Kathleen Kennedy: Oh, you mean JJ Abrams should write the first sequel as a complete ripoff of A New Hope, with a gender-swapped Luke Skywalker as the lead, who is good at everything from the very beginning? Then the second sequel should be written by a round-headed idiot, who hates Star Wars and is obsessed with “subverting expectations”, by which he means “make every scene like a scene from one of the OT movies, but at the very last moment turn them into a Pace Balls-like parody, and, while we are at it, literally throw away every storyline set up in the first sequel”? And then the last sequel should be written by JJ Abrams again, desperately trying to retcon everything that happened in the second sequel, failing miserably? Gotcha, senpai!
Cinemaphile: This aged poorly.
>Oh, you mean JJ Abrams should write the first sequel as a complete ripoff of A New Hope
That was all JJ's idea moron. Actually pathetic that you RLMgays try to shift all of the blame onto Kathleen Kennedy.
I fail to see how it has anything to do with RLM’s opinion that JJ Abrams should *direct* Star Wars.
Because directing is more than just setting up the shots and working with the actors you drooling fricking moron.
This level of delusional coping is not healthy.
Yeah, directing is writing the complete script from beginning to end. You are so smart and knowledgable.
Did I say that dipshit? Do you seriously think the director has no say on the script, the characters, and the overall story if he didn't write it himself? They are the creative arbiter of the entire production except in the rare cases where they're just some hired gun there to execute the producers or writers vision, which wasn't the case with JJ. When Mike said that JJ should direct Star Wars, he meant that he should helm and oversee the entire production from start to finish, which includes developing the story the same way Lucas did, and you have to be a delusional coping moron fanboy to deny that. Just accept that your e daddy was wrong.
Jesus Christ, you are moronic. Sorry for taking you seriously.
There are literally tens of thousands of movies in history where the director was just directing someone else’s story. They may have had some say in the storyline here and there, where they knew the original idea wouldn’t work on screen, but the general storyline was someone else’s responsibility.
Please stop digging yourself any deeper into your moronic shit, it will do good for your mental health.
>There are literally tens of thousands of movies in history where the director was just directing someone else’s story.
I never made any claim to the contrary and of course I'm not talking about cases where the filmmaker is adapting somebody else's story like a novel or something. But for people like David Fincher or Martin Scorcese who don't write their own scripts, they still have final say on what actually ends up in the movie and how the characters are portrayed.
But you're still trying to weasel past the point that when Mike said "JJ Abrams should've directed the prequels" he clearly didn't mean that JJ should've just directed Lucas' scripts. The implication in that statement is that JJ should've taken on all the responsibility that Lucas did which would include developing the story.
No, he specifically criticized the directing of the PT, separate from the writing (which he also criticized, of course). And he said that George Lucas was just not good enough anymore, when he directed the PT, while JJ Abrams made a good sci-fi action/adventure with his first Star Trek movie, that felt more like classic Star Wars, rather than classic Star Trek. That’s why he said JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars.
BTW, even if Mike had had said that JJ Abrams should have *written* Star Wars (which he didn’t say, because nothing in JJ Abrams previous writing credits suggested that he would be good at writing a Star Wars story), it doesn’t follow that it means that he should make it a soft-remake.
It’s like you may say, if you have problems with your current girlfriend, that “I should have just hooked up with <another girl I knew>”, because she didn’t have the negative traits your current girlfriend does. Meanwhile, it’s entirely possible that <another girl> secretly has a drinking problem you didn’t know about.
>No, he specifically criticized the directing of the PT, separate from the writing (which he also criticized, of course).
Lol ok thanks for proving my point. So he had a problem with both the writing and directing which stands to reason that if he would've rather had JJ Abrams direct them, then at the very least he would've liked JJ to oversee the development of the story.
>while JJ Abrams made a good sci-fi action/adventure with his first Star Trek movie, that felt more like classic Star Wars
No it didn't it felt like generic sci-fi slop like everything else he makes. But when your only cinematic frame of reference is 80's action blockbusters I guess I can see how he came to that ignorant conclusion.
>That’s why he said JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars.
Yeah and he was painfully wrong as seen with TFA and RoS.
>BTW, even if Mike had had said that JJ Abrams should have *written* Star Wars, it doesn’t follow that it means that he should make it a soft-remake.
Doesn't matter. As the director, Abrams had the choice to continue the story based off Lucas' story treatments but instead made the executive decision to do a soft reboot instead. By saying that JJ should direct Star Wars, he's implying that he trusts him to steer the entire ship and oversee the entire creative process. Idk why this is so hard to understand.
Also I'm confused why you're acting like JJ was the sole writer on TFA. He brought on Lawrence Kasdan to write the script with him which was literally a RLMgays wet dream. You guys really have no excuse. You got exactly what you asked for.
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>Zoomers are fartnite and gachashit generation.
That's late Gen Z/early Gen Alpha.
>Those were watched primarily by 90s millennials.
Again, Gen Z is generally accepted to start in 1996/97. The majority of the audience for those shows were Gen Z, especially Adventure Time which released in 2010.
Frick, meant for
Remember when rlm made actual movie reviews instead of meme videos? I miss those times
20/25 of their most recent videos are actual movie reviews/discussions.
This guy lives in the heads of zoomers rent free, he'll always be based. Most of his criticisms are still correct.
The sequels existing doesn't all of the sudden make the prequels not dogshit.
Reminder that Gen Z’s 1996-2009. That’s 15-28. If you’re within that age range and you’re b***hing about zoomers, you’re moronic. If you’re older than that and b***hing, you’re a loser who’s out of touch.
>you can't complain about your own generation acting moronic because... you just can't okay?
>you can't complain about younger generations acting moronic because... YOU. JUST. CAN'T. OKAY?
>this aged poorly because prequelgays have worked for years trying to come up with explanations for all the stupid shit in the movie
He should be in jail tbh, he ruined Star Wars and took it from me.
If it makes you feel better, the deserved pain he feels due to what's happened to star trek is only the beginning of the karmic suffering Mike will experience before he dies.
No it didn't. The prequels are shit and always will be. Redlettermedia was right about everything.
George Lucas will go down as one of the most influential artists of his time while Mike Stoklasa will die alone and be immediately forgotten.
the idea that the sequels are just "mediocre" and the prequels "terrible" is full-on brain rot. You don't have to like the prequels to see they are higher art than the sequels.
>. You don't have to like the prequels to see they are higher art than the sequels.
If you can sit through 30 minutes of boring lucas dialogue and flat dead boring backgrounds then good for you. I would rather the JJ slop.
I'm glad that star trek got raped, that's what mike gets for ruining star wars for me
Star Trek was already down the shitter when he made the prequel reviews.
I liked the prequels but I’m not going to defend 3 movies that only exist because Lucas got full control of the toy rights back
he was right, but it says something about our society that he had to put on a clown suit to say it
always telling how moronic the userbase of this website is when you see them fanboy and seethe over the absolutely garbage and childish prequels
Checked your profile and it said you liked ready player one and EEAO. Take my updoot. Don't forget to ring the bell for our RLM boyos 😉 rich's laugh is hilarious, amiright? It took 8 years to do or whatever get fricked
I just updooted this post and now I'm going to repost it to r/prequelmemes 🙂 thanks friendo!
If the prequels are supposedly "childish", then how is the OT not childish as well?
just because you don't like reddit letter media doesn't make them wrong
They are wrong. Quit simping for them.
if we're arguing that they were wrong about JJ, then sure.
if we're arguing that this wasn't a dumpster fire of a film, then no.
Explain why they're a dumpster fire.
I put them in my dumpster back 2005 and then I set them on fire.
Because you're autistic.
Never heard of him.
>Prequels ain't that good
>I can enjoy them at time due to nostalgia
Feels bretty good.
Someday you'll have the realization that almost everything ages poorly, very rarely does anything get better with age
Star Wars is a franchise for 5 - 12 year old boys.
Michael Oliver was great as Anakin Skywalker in the phantom menace and attack of the clones.
why does every prequel-rlm thread end up with over 300 replies and less than 100 posters
Frick you Rick Berman!
The Phantom Menace has no main character!!!!!
>RLM didn't bother to do any research or they would've found Lucas say that Amidala is the main character
I'm starting to think these threads are made and populated by a Discord raid group. It's just the same repetitive bullshit in every thread, essentially spam.
Episode 1 is a bad film, it's just better than sequel shit.
You'll notice a lot of intellectually stunted people have an emotional connection to these RLMs videos, to the point where they get very angry when you rightfully call out how badly they've aged. I can only guess why, but I think a big part of it is that it was babby's first video review and critique. It made them feel smarter about themselves and probably came during a time when they were unsure about themselves and the world. That's why they will die still singing the praises of RLM; it's their entire self worth summed up into one video.
They will never except that George was right, because to do so would be to admit they aren't as smart as they think they are.