Watchmen did it well back in the mid 80s. Comics have been poorly ever since. Moore didn't want grim n gritty superheroes, he wanted more mature story telling. Instead we got cheap superficial knockoffs full of superfluous sex and violence.
Ever since Snyder did the shitty movie version, we've got capeshit in tv and film doing the same here.
All these postmodern deconstructions can do is tear things down. They revel in perversity and villainy. They shit on any concept of heroism.
Tearing down superheroes was supposed to be the exception, not the norm. When everything is tearing stuff down, it defeats the purpose of deconstructionism. The only way to deconstruct this modern trend is to reconstruct superheroes, but no one wants to buck the trend.
>Ever since Snyder did the shitty movie version, we've got capeshit in tv and film doing the same here.
Snyder literally did a 1:1 adaption, that's his strong suit btw
>Comedian goes out punching holes through his own walls but getting beat because the other guy is just more epic instead of getting completely clowned on because he's a washed up drunk >Manhattan is pushed away instead of growing so detached that he just genuinely stops giving a shit about humanity >The only splatterfest in the book (the gang walking through New York post-squid) is turned into a nothing white flash, and all of the action scenes are turned into splatterfests >Giving the Watchmen slightly superhuman action hero strength instead of emphasizing the awkwardness
The story is mostly intact, but the execution completely fails to emphasize the strengths of the story in the same way the comics did
>The only way to deconstruct this modern trend is to reconstruct superheroes, but no one wants to buck the trend.
so close, but wrong. the way to overcoming deconstructionist post-modernity is to stop constructing things altogether, but the masses are too indoctrinated by fear to let go of the fairy tales— super or otherwise
First off you're moronic, so you should probably run blindfolded across a highway, or let yourself see to make it all the better. Secondly, the one on the left is a mockery of an albeit already terrible person of a character that was glowBlack personed into killing the same people who glowBlack personed him. Lastly, Omniman did nothing wrong. He isn't human, he had no real reason to care. Because you hold the mental equivalent of a slug, you are unable to break apart your reasoning from being a normal person and seeing the perspective of other living creatures. Funnily enough, Omniman could, but just didn't care due to the level of arrogance his Viltrumite heritage.
Now stop making threads about men flying around in capes, you queer. Cinemaphile is a Star Trek board.
They are entirely different characters that serve entirely different narrative purposes, if all you see is >le bad supraman
I'm afraid you need to work on raising your cultural competences. Have a good day!
Homelander: He has no identity, never knew a true, selfless parental love and warmth, he's only revered by the masses for his abilities and how he's sold to them, not for who he truly is. Because of that he despises humans and envies them at the same time. He's a failed product, has no real purpose in life besides chasing popularity and that's only because corporation that spawned him tells him to do so. He could be the bringer of good and justice after freeing himself from the Vought's grasp, but the years of abuse, power tripping and so on made it impossible. He's unstable bag of issues and insecurities, a painted corpse, pretty face and fantasy of power revered by the public that will ultimately bring them doom. Also, there's a reason he's wearing strips and stars.
Omniman: He knows well who he is and what is life goal is. He's not evil, he's immoral, a natural born conqueror raised in the society of warriors. He let's his true nature to be dormant for a short while, but only to see if Mark is worthy and if he'll help him with the conquest of Earth. Everything he does makes sense, there's no impulsiveness, insecurities. When he confronts Mark at the end of the first season, first cracks in his character appear: his own flesh and blood has entirely different outlook on things. This is his only internal conflict we see.
How are they the same archetype? Because muh jawline and cape?
>mfw I finally realize after reading all those comics and watching all those movies that patriotism is... le bad...
thank you Amazon for opening mine eyes to the truth.
>mfw anon helps me see that it wasn't REAL patriotism...
and so what is real patriotism, according to these products that only show patriotism as an ignorant trait that evil people take advantage of?
my roomate was watching The Boys on tv and he told me I should watch it. The whole time I was thinking "this is memes, this is reddit", and I spent the whole time thinking about shitting on this show on Cinemaphile. My roomate also loved invincible and castlevania netflix
Wait, I know that the troupe "superman but le bad" can be tiresome after a while. But wasn't the entire point of Omniman that will basically redeem himself and that actually living with a supposed "inferior" race like humans actually made him discover his own humanity, and later on his redemption?
>What if Superman but… LE BAD?!?!?
The more I see this lazy subversion the more I appreciate Superman as a character. Being a genuine beacon of hope is more interesting than yet another genocidal god being
Except it wasn’t interesting for a while, hence the subversion characters. Superman isn’t any more interesting now just because that anti-hero concept is more prevalent than it used to be.
I actually like Superman, but I know he can get boring when you know he will always do the right thing and that he is stronger than everything else. That is why him being Evil or Immoral is more interesting sometimes, because now the other characters that got tossed aside before have to react to this omnipotent being. It is such a good concept, that it is now overused and that will eventually get stale like Superman being Lawful Good and the strongest did. Superman will always be best when facing shit he can't overpower like the human spirit in Red Son, death in All-Star Superman, or his boundaries in Prime.
They're not really the same tho. Omniman doesn't have laser vision and is waaaay stronger than homelander.
If you're going to say "all flying strong guys are superman ripoffs" then you're really limiting what you can do with superheros.
welcome to the independent comics world, disney owns marvel and warner owns dc so amazon had to dig through the rest which is full of subversions on the two big publishers.
This is like when someone mentions child rapists on twitter and someone yells about antisemitism. Are you admitting that WASPs are demonic?
But Omni man is literally a super Sayan clone? He barely has anything in common with superman. He isn't a guy with superman powers, who has grown bored with being good, and does evil shit on the side. He is a soldier on a recon mission, doing his best to serve his country. That and he gets a major redemption arc in the comics, and becomes one of the leading good guys, and goes out as an emperor and a hero.
on the topic of his redemption arc, I wonder if they will be able to sell it. Episode 8 spent most of it's runtime showing him mass murder innocent people. In the comics, it was a few panels of collateral damage, while in the show, it's straight up sadism. Can the viewers really forgive him when he shows up in the next season?
Cartoon omnicidal maniac can never be redeemed as a hero.
>Cartoon omnicidal maniac can never be redeemed as a hero.
Every anime ever has a edgy side character, who murdered people in cold blood, but because he has a sob story, the mc forgives him, and he joins the team as a full fledged good guy.
If japan can do that, then why can't mutts?
unironically this, capeshit was always israeli. superman especially, being a total inversion of Nietzsche's superman. It's why some people unironically sided or empathized with Zod in Man of Steel btw. >literally me
But Omni man is literally a super Sayan clone? He barely has anything in common with superman. He isn't a guy with superman powers, who has grown bored with being good, and does evil shit on the side. He is a soldier on a recon mission, doing his best to serve his country. That and he gets a major redemption arc in the comics, and becomes one of the leading good guys, and goes out as an emperor and a hero.
on the topic of his redemption arc, I wonder if they will be able to sell it. Episode 8 spent most of it's runtime showing him mass murder innocent people. In the comics, it was a few panels of collateral damage, while in the show, it's straight up sadism. Can the viewers really forgive him when he shows up in the next season?
I'm going to guess the showrunners hardcore tunnel visioned on making Omni-Man's dunking on his son as over the top as possible, with no consideration given to the fact that he needs to become a good guy again by the end.
>I'm going to guess the showrunners hardcore tunnel visioned on making Omni-Man's dunking on his son as over the top as possible, with no consideration given to the fact that he needs to become a good guy again by the end.
I wonder how hardcore they will go with that hot chick raping the main character, but still redeeming herself after that.
>omni man insanely far gone trying to prove to himself that he's still a viltrumite >flaxxons dealt with >gonna have donald survive that explosion somehow >amber being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
they did okay with S1 but now that i've read the comic... they messed a few things up
They did one thing right too. They made Cecil a badass, lovable and stand up guy. Everyone and their mother loves him now, even though his comicbook counterpart was dumber and more ''muh men in black agent bad''. I really don't want him to pull a big brain fart, when he and Mark get into a conflict. If they really have to, I hope it's better written, and a mutual falling out.
>omni man insanely far gone trying to prove to himself that he's still a viltrumite
The redemption could still work, it'd just need more legwork to succeed. >flaxxons dealt with
They weren't, at the end of the season it was shown they rebuilt and want Nolan dead. >gonna have donald survive that explosion somehow
Probably a small retcon that they found his head or something and thats how he becomes his cyborg self. >amber being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
Eve is still endgame.
>omni man insanely far gone trying to prove to himself that he's still a viltrumite >flaxxons dealt with >gonna have donald survive that explosion somehow >amber being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
they did okay with S1 but now that i've read the comic... they messed a few things up
What if they simply cut mecha donald out of it? He was a nice little side character, and he got a nice death scene. What more could you want?
that'd be the smart move at this point but i don't expect smart moves anymore
>omni man insanely far gone trying to prove to himself that he's still a viltrumite
The redemption could still work, it'd just need more legwork to succeed. >flaxxons dealt with
They weren't, at the end of the season it was shown they rebuilt and want Nolan dead. >gonna have donald survive that explosion somehow
Probably a small retcon that they found his head or something and thats how he becomes his cyborg self. >amber being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
Eve is still endgame.
>The redemption could still work, it'd just need more legwork to succeed.
I guess introducing all the other Viltrumites as an even bigger threat, would make Omni man a ''either he is with us, or we are dead'' kind of character. But then they have to redeem those guys too. I guess the concept of love makes mass murderers into loving family people, will be pushed a lot.
>zoomer
Watchmen did this shit decades ago
Yes.
Watchmen did it well back in the mid 80s. Comics have been poorly ever since. Moore didn't want grim n gritty superheroes, he wanted more mature story telling. Instead we got cheap superficial knockoffs full of superfluous sex and violence.
Ever since Snyder did the shitty movie version, we've got capeshit in tv and film doing the same here.
All these postmodern deconstructions can do is tear things down. They revel in perversity and villainy. They shit on any concept of heroism.
Tearing down superheroes was supposed to be the exception, not the norm. When everything is tearing stuff down, it defeats the purpose of deconstructionism. The only way to deconstruct this modern trend is to reconstruct superheroes, but no one wants to buck the trend.
>Ever since Snyder did the shitty movie version, we've got capeshit in tv and film doing the same here.
Snyder literally did a 1:1 adaption, that's his strong suit btw
>Comedian goes out punching holes through his own walls but getting beat because the other guy is just more epic instead of getting completely clowned on because he's a washed up drunk
>Manhattan is pushed away instead of growing so detached that he just genuinely stops giving a shit about humanity
>The only splatterfest in the book (the gang walking through New York post-squid) is turned into a nothing white flash, and all of the action scenes are turned into splatterfests
>Giving the Watchmen slightly superhuman action hero strength instead of emphasizing the awkwardness
The story is mostly intact, but the execution completely fails to emphasize the strengths of the story in the same way the comics did
>The only way to deconstruct this modern trend is to reconstruct superheroes, but no one wants to buck the trend.
so close, but wrong. the way to overcoming deconstructionist post-modernity is to stop constructing things altogether, but the masses are too indoctrinated by fear to let go of the fairy tales— super or otherwise
Don't lump Omni-man with that gaylord
Omnigay is literally worse than The Boys. At least the Boys has plotline other than exposed children's intestines.
Read the comic
I don't get what was the point of showing Omniman killing the guardians. Why couldn't it have been a mystery?
It's called dramatic irony. We, the audience, are aware of something that every character onscreen is trying to figure out for the entire season.
filtered
don't watch israelite trash
It's a subversion of western values, radical marxists control the government and media
This archetype would be comfy should they not be the antagonist
>both white
hmmmm
omniman isnt white
snowflake
gonna cry?
wow just like superman
First off you're moronic, so you should probably run blindfolded across a highway, or let yourself see to make it all the better. Secondly, the one on the left is a mockery of an albeit already terrible person of a character that was glowBlack personed into killing the same people who glowBlack personed him. Lastly, Omniman did nothing wrong. He isn't human, he had no real reason to care. Because you hold the mental equivalent of a slug, you are unable to break apart your reasoning from being a normal person and seeing the perspective of other living creatures. Funnily enough, Omniman could, but just didn't care due to the level of arrogance his Viltrumite heritage.
Now stop making threads about men flying around in capes, you queer. Cinemaphile is a Star Trek board.
All Star Trek media since 2009 has been capeshit-tier, go frick yourself.
>implying anyone worth their salt watches anything post ENT
>leftists projecting their dads as supervillains
They are entirely different characters that serve entirely different narrative purposes, if all you see is
>le bad supraman
I'm afraid you need to work on raising your cultural competences. Have a good day!
they are not that evil
nolan ends liking humans, and chadlander is just a broken toy with a lot of issues.
Homelander: He has no identity, never knew a true, selfless parental love and warmth, he's only revered by the masses for his abilities and how he's sold to them, not for who he truly is. Because of that he despises humans and envies them at the same time. He's a failed product, has no real purpose in life besides chasing popularity and that's only because corporation that spawned him tells him to do so. He could be the bringer of good and justice after freeing himself from the Vought's grasp, but the years of abuse, power tripping and so on made it impossible. He's unstable bag of issues and insecurities, a painted corpse, pretty face and fantasy of power revered by the public that will ultimately bring them doom. Also, there's a reason he's wearing strips and stars.
Omniman: He knows well who he is and what is life goal is. He's not evil, he's immoral, a natural born conqueror raised in the society of warriors. He let's his true nature to be dormant for a short while, but only to see if Mark is worthy and if he'll help him with the conquest of Earth. Everything he does makes sense, there's no impulsiveness, insecurities. When he confronts Mark at the end of the first season, first cracks in his character appear: his own flesh and blood has entirely different outlook on things. This is his only internal conflict we see.
How are they the same archetype? Because muh jawline and cape?
Unironically most sane post I've seen on this board. Based.
>mfw I finally realize after reading all those comics and watching all those movies that patriotism is... le bad...
thank you Amazon for opening mine eyes to the truth.
Is you sneed brain getting fricked by chuck? It's about twisted perception of what patriotism is, not the idea of patriotism per se
>mfw anon helps me see that it wasn't REAL patriotism...
and so what is real patriotism, according to these products that only show patriotism as an ignorant trait that evil people take advantage of?
>superhero but EVIL
It's gay
capeshit sucks ass and has sucked the life out of media for like a fricking decade
my roomate was watching The Boys on tv and he told me I should watch it. The whole time I was thinking "this is memes, this is reddit", and I spent the whole time thinking about shitting on this show on Cinemaphile. My roomate also loved invincible and castlevania netflix
You sure showed him champ
if i had superman powers id be a good guy and everyone would like me, except for all the raping
Why would people rape you just because you're superman?
Wait, I know that the troupe "superman but le bad" can be tiresome after a while. But wasn't the entire point of Omniman that will basically redeem himself and that actually living with a supposed "inferior" race like humans actually made him discover his own humanity, and later on his redemption?
>Wait, I know that the troupe "superman but le bad" can be tiresome after a while.
it more like son goku but bad
>What if Superman but… LE BAD?!?!?
The more I see this lazy subversion the more I appreciate Superman as a character. Being a genuine beacon of hope is more interesting than yet another genocidal god being
Except it wasn’t interesting for a while, hence the subversion characters. Superman isn’t any more interesting now just because that anti-hero concept is more prevalent than it used to be.
I actually like Superman, but I know he can get boring when you know he will always do the right thing and that he is stronger than everything else. That is why him being Evil or Immoral is more interesting sometimes, because now the other characters that got tossed aside before have to react to this omnipotent being. It is such a good concept, that it is now overused and that will eventually get stale like Superman being Lawful Good and the strongest did. Superman will always be best when facing shit he can't overpower like the human spirit in Red Son, death in All-Star Superman, or his boundaries in Prime.
>lazy subversion
That's Brightburn, moron.
Well I mean look who's in control of making all this garbage.
>comfy
I'm not looking for comfort.
They're not really the same tho. Omniman doesn't have laser vision and is waaaay stronger than homelander.
If you're going to say "all flying strong guys are superman ripoffs" then you're really limiting what you can do with superheros.
welcome to the independent comics world, disney owns marvel and warner owns dc so amazon had to dig through the rest which is full of subversions on the two big publishers.
>WASP AMERICA IS LE BAD
Homelander is a german or something, and omni man fricks some asian american prostitute
They are not WASP they are the modern soulless american
This is like when someone mentions child rapists on twitter and someone yells about antisemitism. Are you admitting that WASPs are demonic?
Cartoon omnicidal maniac can never be redeemed as a hero.
>Cartoon omnicidal maniac can never be redeemed as a hero.
Every anime ever has a edgy side character, who murdered people in cold blood, but because he has a sob story, the mc forgives him, and he joins the team as a full fledged good guy.
If japan can do that, then why can't mutts?
Omnigay isn't just a murderer. He's the antagonist of a guro series.
Isn't the boys also a guro series?
Not quite. Cartoon gore is always MUCH worse. The Boys is bad enough, but even Homelander isn't a fraction as bad as Omniqueer.
unironically this, capeshit was always israeli. superman especially, being a total inversion of Nietzsche's superman. It's why some people unironically sided or empathized with Zod in Man of Steel btw.
>literally me
But Omni man is literally a super Sayan clone? He barely has anything in common with superman. He isn't a guy with superman powers, who has grown bored with being good, and does evil shit on the side. He is a soldier on a recon mission, doing his best to serve his country. That and he gets a major redemption arc in the comics, and becomes one of the leading good guys, and goes out as an emperor and a hero.
on the topic of his redemption arc, I wonder if they will be able to sell it. Episode 8 spent most of it's runtime showing him mass murder innocent people. In the comics, it was a few panels of collateral damage, while in the show, it's straight up sadism. Can the viewers really forgive him when he shows up in the next season?
>first spoiler
weak
>second spoiler
I hope they don't do first spoiler. But they also won't do the opposite of first spoiler either.
I'm going to guess the showrunners hardcore tunnel visioned on making Omni-Man's dunking on his son as over the top as possible, with no consideration given to the fact that he needs to become a good guy again by the end.
>I'm going to guess the showrunners hardcore tunnel visioned on making Omni-Man's dunking on his son as over the top as possible, with no consideration given to the fact that he needs to become a good guy again by the end.
I wonder how hardcore they will go with that hot chick raping the main character, but still redeeming herself after that.
>can the viewers really forgive him
Anon, he's the fans' favorite, which might not have been intentional but he still is. It'll be fine
>omni man insanely far gone trying to prove to himself that he's still a viltrumite
>flaxxons dealt with
>gonna have donald survive that explosion somehow
>amber being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
they did okay with S1 but now that i've read the comic... they messed a few things up
They did one thing right too. They made Cecil a badass, lovable and stand up guy. Everyone and their mother loves him now, even though his comicbook counterpart was dumber and more ''muh men in black agent bad''. I really don't want him to pull a big brain fart, when he and Mark get into a conflict. If they really have to, I hope it's better written, and a mutual falling out.
>omni man insanely far gone trying to prove to himself that he's still a viltrumite
The redemption could still work, it'd just need more legwork to succeed.
>flaxxons dealt with
They weren't, at the end of the season it was shown they rebuilt and want Nolan dead.
>gonna have donald survive that explosion somehow
Probably a small retcon that they found his head or something and thats how he becomes his cyborg self.
>amber being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
Eve is still endgame.
What if they simply cut mecha donald out of it? He was a nice little side character, and he got a nice death scene. What more could you want?
I could see that happening. I wouldn't mind either outcome, personally.
that'd be the smart move at this point but i don't expect smart moves anymore
i forgot about the flaxxon tease
>The redemption could still work, it'd just need more legwork to succeed.
I guess introducing all the other Viltrumites as an even bigger threat, would make Omni man a ''either he is with us, or we are dead'' kind of character. But then they have to redeem those guys too. I guess the concept of love makes mass murderers into loving family people, will be pushed a lot.
being brown means it'd be racist for mark to dump her for eve
Nobody likes Amber
The Markitect arc was some of the best of the entire run
The second they adapt BRAPHOG eve I’m taking work off and just cooming in my room all day
slampig samantha was unf
Forgot how based Mark was, drooling over Eve during this period. I kneel.
I've never paid you rent so why am I still living inside your head?
>Both produced by Seth Rogaine
Shocker.
you don't know where the character of omniman is going since you haven't read the comics. Omniman is a turbobased hero, unironically.